Re: Two queries about Android installation
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.comwrote: On 24 April 2010 21:59, James Ancona j...@anconafamily.com wrote: The installer puts all of Android in NAND. After installation the SD card is only used for extra storage (web downloads, media, etc.) Any FAT formatted SD card will do. You can run with no SD card in there, but as I recall, some things don't work. It should boot other distributions from SD. The modification is because Andoid uses a different NAND partition layout. If you want to replace Android with a different distribution in NAND, you should reflash Qi. Hope that helps! Yes thanks, it does. It tells me that I can't switch between Debian and Android completely seamlessly - but that I can at least do it by swapping SD cards. Which is probably OK for now. You may be able to partition your SD card so that Android can find a FAT partition, yet you can still boot Debian from a different ext3 partition. I'm not sure off hand how to do it, but I'd be surprised if it's not possible. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two queries about Android installation
Is it possible at all to run Android from SD card? I want to have SHR in NAND and Android in SD just for testing my programs. Thanks! Leonti On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:59 PM, James Ancona j...@anconafamily.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm interested in taking a look at Android... 1. The installation instructions seem to involve both a full SD card (which will be completely overwritten) and flashing the NAND. What I don't understand is whether the SD card is only needed during installation, or if the same SD card needs to stay in the phone afterwards, when booting Android from NAND. The installer puts all of Android in NAND. After installation the SD card is only used for extra storage (web downloads, media, etc.) Any FAT formatted SD card will do. You can run with no SD card in there, but as I recall, some things don't work. 2. I understand that the Android installation flashes a modified version of the Qi bootloader. Can this modified version still boot other distributions, in particular Debian? It should boot other distributions from SD. The modification is because Andoid uses a different NAND partition layout. If you want to replace Android with a different distribution in NAND, you should reflash Qi. Hope that helps! Jim Basically the situation is that I want to keep Debian (on SD) as my main distribution, but have Android in NAND for trying out. I have another SD card (512Mb) that I can use just for the Android install, but after that I'd like to put the Debian SD card back in. Thanks for any answers and advice! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two queries about Android installation
On 24 April 2010 21:59, James Ancona j...@anconafamily.com wrote: The installer puts all of Android in NAND. After installation the SD card is only used for extra storage (web downloads, media, etc.) Any FAT formatted SD card will do. You can run with no SD card in there, but as I recall, some things don't work. It should boot other distributions from SD. The modification is because Andoid uses a different NAND partition layout. If you want to replace Android with a different distribution in NAND, you should reflash Qi. Hope that helps! Yes thanks, it does. It tells me that I can't switch between Debian and Android completely seamlessly - but that I can at least do it by swapping SD cards. Which is probably OK for now. FWIW, my reason for asking is that I'm now hoping to find something a bit more swishy and impressive than just basic phone function. Debian has been fine for me for basic phone function for some time now, and I expect to keep that as my mainstay. But I'd love to be able to demonstrate how cool the FR is by saying but look, it can also run Android, here Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two queries about Android installation
Neil Jerram wrote: On 24 April 2010 21:59, James Ancona j...@anconafamily.com wrote: The installer puts all of Android in NAND. After installation the SD card is only used for extra storage (web downloads, media, etc.) Any FAT formatted SD card will do. You can run with no SD card in there, but as I recall, some things don't work. It should boot other distributions from SD. The modification is because Andoid uses a different NAND partition layout. If you want to replace Android with a different distribution in NAND, you should reflash Qi. Hope that helps! Yes thanks, it does. It tells me that I can't switch between Debian and Android completely seamlessly - but that I can at least do it by swapping SD cards. Which is probably OK for now. FWIW, my reason for asking is that I'm now hoping to find something a bit more swishy and impressive than just basic phone function. Debian has been fine for me for basic phone function for some time now, and I expect to keep that as my mainstay. But I'd love to be able to demonstrate how cool the FR is by saying but look, it can also run Android, here Regards, Neil I had similar reasons to try Android - another being is the browser ;-) You can use an SD only version, which is documented in this thread [1] and mirrored here [2]. I have _normal_ Qi as bootloader and Android + SHR on my SD which looks like this: p[FAT, for Android data] p[ext3, Androit rootfs] p[ext3, SHR rootfs] e[ext3 data] e[swap] NAND holds an SHR-U of known state that is functional for basic calling - just in case... What I really miss though are easy updates for Android on SD. Cheers, Christian [1] http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=7 [2] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/android/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two queries about Android installation
Hey, does this flashing work without SD? http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions See #1. Greetings, Kai Christian Rüb schrieb: Neil Jerram wrote: On 24 April 2010 21:59, James Ancona j...@anconafamily.com wrote: The installer puts all of Android in NAND. After installation the SD card is only used for extra storage (web downloads, media, etc.) Any FAT formatted SD card will do. You can run with no SD card in there, but as I recall, some things don't work. It should boot other distributions from SD. The modification is because Andoid uses a different NAND partition layout. If you want to replace Android with a different distribution in NAND, you should reflash Qi. Hope that helps! Yes thanks, it does. It tells me that I can't switch between Debian and Android completely seamlessly - but that I can at least do it by swapping SD cards. Which is probably OK for now. FWIW, my reason for asking is that I'm now hoping to find something a bit more swishy and impressive than just basic phone function. Debian has been fine for me for basic phone function for some time now, and I expect to keep that as my mainstay. But I'd love to be able to demonstrate how cool the FR is by saying but look, it can also run Android, here Regards, Neil I had similar reasons to try Android - another being is the browser ;-) You can use an SD only version, which is documented in this thread [1] and mirrored here [2]. I have _normal_ Qi as bootloader and Android + SHR on my SD which looks like this: p[FAT, for Android data] p[ext3, Androit rootfs] p[ext3, SHR rootfs] e[ext3 data] e[swap] NAND holds an SHR-U of known state that is functional for basic calling - just in case... What I really miss though are easy updates for Android on SD. Cheers, Christian [1] http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=7 [2] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/android/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two queries about Android installation
Yeah, it works with 0.2.0 RC1: Download the zip-file unzip the contents. Run the following dfu-util commands: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D kernel.img dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D system.img dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi.img I have no inserted SD. The first boot does not work, so restart. Great thanks! Kai Kai Lüke schrieb: Hey, does this flashing work without SD? http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions See #1. Greetings, Kai Christian Rüb schrieb: Neil Jerram wrote: On 24 April 2010 21:59, James Ancona j...@anconafamily.com wrote: The installer puts all of Android in NAND. After installation the SD card is only used for extra storage (web downloads, media, etc.) Any FAT formatted SD card will do. You can run with no SD card in there, but as I recall, some things don't work. It should boot other distributions from SD. The modification is because Andoid uses a different NAND partition layout. If you want to replace Android with a different distribution in NAND, you should reflash Qi. Hope that helps! Yes thanks, it does. It tells me that I can't switch between Debian and Android completely seamlessly - but that I can at least do it by swapping SD cards. Which is probably OK for now. FWIW, my reason for asking is that I'm now hoping to find something a bit more swishy and impressive than just basic phone function. Debian has been fine for me for basic phone function for some time now, and I expect to keep that as my mainstay. But I'd love to be able to demonstrate how cool the FR is by saying but look, it can also run Android, here Regards, Neil I had similar reasons to try Android - another being is the browser ;-) You can use an SD only version, which is documented in this thread [1] and mirrored here [2]. I have _normal_ Qi as bootloader and Android + SHR on my SD which looks like this: p[FAT, for Android data] p[ext3, Androit rootfs] p[ext3, SHR rootfs] e[ext3 data] e[swap] NAND holds an SHR-U of known state that is functional for basic calling - just in case... What I really miss though are easy updates for Android on SD. Cheers, Christian [1] http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=7 [2] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/android/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Two queries about Android installation
I'm interested in taking a look at Android... 1. The installation instructions seem to involve both a full SD card (which will be completely overwritten) and flashing the NAND. What I don't understand is whether the SD card is only needed during installation, or if the same SD card needs to stay in the phone afterwards, when booting Android from NAND. 2. I understand that the Android installation flashes a modified version of the Qi bootloader. Can this modified version still boot other distributions, in particular Debian? Basically the situation is that I want to keep Debian (on SD) as my main distribution, but have Android in NAND for trying out. I have another SD card (512Mb) that I can use just for the Android install, but after that I'd like to put the Debian SD card back in. Thanks for any answers and advice! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two queries about Android installation
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.comwrote: I'm interested in taking a look at Android... 1. The installation instructions seem to involve both a full SD card (which will be completely overwritten) and flashing the NAND. What I don't understand is whether the SD card is only needed during installation, or if the same SD card needs to stay in the phone afterwards, when booting Android from NAND. 2. I understand that the Android installation flashes a modified version of the Qi bootloader. Can this modified version still boot other distributions, in particular Debian? Basically the situation is that I want to keep Debian (on SD) as my main distribution, but have Android in NAND for trying out. I have another SD card (512Mb) that I can use just for the Android install, but after that I'd like to put the Debian SD card back in. Thanks for any answers and advice! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I am sure that android installs some system files on the sd, so you need a sd card to boon android also after first installation. Usually the best choice for android is to have 2 partitions: one for android system files and another for your datas. what i'm looking for is quite the same... a way to use andorid and shr... i think it's just necessary to partition correctly the sd, but I have no idea how... hints welcome d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two queries about Android installation
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 14:05, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm interested in taking a look at Android... You can find detailed info on the subject here: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ -- Cheers, Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two queries about Android installation
On 24 April 2010 14:27, Alexander Shulgin alex.shul...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 14:05, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm interested in taking a look at Android... You can find detailed info on the subject here: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ Of course I already looked there. The questions that I asked here are the ones remaining after I had read that information. If you think my questions are answered on that site, can you please point out the specific location? Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Two queries about Android installation
I'm interested in taking a look at Android... You can find detailed info on the subject here: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ Of course I already looked there. The questions that I asked here are the ones remaining after I had read that information. If you think my questions are answered on that site, can you please point out the specific location? If you want to talk to the AoF community you can always try the mailinglist: http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner _ Windows 7: helpt je meer voor elkaar te krijgen. http://windows.microsoft.com/nl-BE/windows7/products/home?os=win7 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two queries about Android installation
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.comwrote: I'm interested in taking a look at Android... 1. The installation instructions seem to involve both a full SD card (which will be completely overwritten) and flashing the NAND. What I don't understand is whether the SD card is only needed during installation, or if the same SD card needs to stay in the phone afterwards, when booting Android from NAND. it's needed also after. 2. I understand that the Android installation flashes a modified version of the Qi bootloader. Can this modified version still boot other distributions, in particular Debian? yes, i tried it some time ago... but you have to switch sd (and that it's what i'm trying to avoid :) ) Basically the situation is that I want to keep Debian (on SD) as my main distribution, but have Android in NAND for trying out. I have another SD card (512Mb) that I can use just for the Android install, but after that I'd like to put the Debian SD card back in. Thanks for any answers and advice! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two queries about Android installation
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.comwrote: I'm interested in taking a look at Android... 1. The installation instructions seem to involve both a full SD card (which will be completely overwritten) and flashing the NAND. What I don't understand is whether the SD card is only needed during installation, or if the same SD card needs to stay in the phone afterwards, when booting Android from NAND. The installer puts all of Android in NAND. After installation the SD card is only used for extra storage (web downloads, media, etc.) Any FAT formatted SD card will do. You can run with no SD card in there, but as I recall, some things don't work. 2. I understand that the Android installation flashes a modified version of the Qi bootloader. Can this modified version still boot other distributions, in particular Debian? It should boot other distributions from SD. The modification is because Andoid uses a different NAND partition layout. If you want to replace Android with a different distribution in NAND, you should reflash Qi. Hope that helps! Jim Basically the situation is that I want to keep Debian (on SD) as my main distribution, but have Android in NAND for trying out. I have another SD card (512Mb) that I can use just for the Android install, but after that I'd like to put the Debian SD card back in. Thanks for any answers and advice! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
