Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
harry, is there any chance you could provide us with clear and full informations? currently it's very hard to understand, what's going on on your side and what exactly your problems are. please, give the following informations and remember, for further posting prepend the subject with the name of the distribution you are using (ie fso, debian, 2007.2, 2008.9, qtopia, ...) - did you flash anything yet? - if so, what exactly (uboot, image)? - what distribution are you using? so far, i know nodm from debian only, but that might be wrong ... - are you running from flash or from sd card? - full error messages, not only guesses - kernel version, u-boot version and, please, refrain from belittling statements -- they are not likely to improve the willingness to help you. and lastly: this is not support, but community -- and even support is mostly a users help users thing ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
sorry. i have no flippin idea what i'm using. it was new out of the box 2 days ago. i've done an opkg update and an opkg upgrade. i have not consciously upgrade from what it came with. i think i'm still using 2007.2 it is still spinning through bootish looking text where every third line says adcrdy. if you google adcrdy, you find there are more than a couple people out there suffering the same pain. when i press power, you get a slight change, there is a line that says onkeyf or onkeyr and it looks a little different if you hold it. i can get to openmoko via ssh, but if i do anything that fires up x (the pretty opening means x, correct?) my resolv.conf gets hosed. it fires up x briefly when you reboot from the shell, then you get the good bootish text, then the pretty screen for a minute then i get the bad bootish text, which starts with angstrom spelled out in big letters made out of letters, and then the adcrdy infinite loop. it took about 6 hours to learn that, sorry i was hoping that as it was happening someone wouldsay well of course, you did xyz! abc will fix it! someone named newkirk was very helpful in solving the opkg .conf problems. his fix, by rights, should be integrated into getting started. and thank you newkirk. I have noot been able to get to uboot for a couple reasons: first and formost, it ignores the power button. secondly i have only one working hand which makes pressing two buttons in aco-ordinated manner problematic. ideally it seems there could be a program you could invoke at shell that would reboot you into the uboot environment. I'm sorry if i'm disturbing y'all, but this, apparently is support for this product. i purchased this product in no small part for health reasons, so it is important to me it work reliably expect me to keep making noise until i get it working, at which point i will act as a resource for the next guy. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:47 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: harry, is there any chance you could provide us with clear and full informations? currently it's very hard to understand, what's going on on your side and what exactly your problems are. please, give the following informations and remember, for further posting prepend the subject with the name of the distribution you are using (ie fso, debian, 2007.2, 2008.9, qtopia, ...) - did you flash anything yet? - if so, what exactly (uboot, image)? - what distribution are you using? so far, i know nodm from debian only, but that might be wrong ... - are you running from flash or from sd card? - full error messages, not only guesses - kernel version, u-boot version and, please, refrain from belittling statements -- they are not likely to improve the willingness to help you. and lastly: this is not support, but community -- and even support is mostly a users help users thing ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ha...@jonesnose.com Harry L Lee (via gmail) chief cook and bottle washer http://jonesnose.com mailto:ha...@jonesnose.com 207-384-8030 (email preferred) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
you can't read the tiny message text moving at light speed. i have an 8G uSD installed, not running off it. here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-July/68.html is why i mucked with nodm. so this problem has existed since jul-16, which is not very encouraging. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:47 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: harry, is there any chance you could provide us with clear and full informations? currently it's very hard to understand, what's going on on your side and what exactly your problems are. please, give the following informations and remember, for further posting prepend the subject with the name of the distribution you are using (ie fso, debian, 2007.2, 2008.9, qtopia, ...) - did you flash anything yet? - if so, what exactly (uboot, image)? - what distribution are you using? so far, i know nodm from debian only, but that might be wrong ... - are you running from flash or from sd card? - full error messages, not only guesses - kernel version, u-boot version and, please, refrain from belittling statements -- they are not likely to improve the willingness to help you. and lastly: this is not support, but community -- and even support is mostly a users help users thing ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ha...@jonesnose.com Harry L Lee (via gmail) chief cook and bottle washer http://jonesnose.com mailto:ha...@jonesnose.com 207-384-8030 (email preferred) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
thank you very much. i think a flash is the solution, too. why not fdom? On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:09 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: afaik new freeruners still come with 2007.2 -- which in turn is discontinued, ie no upddates. if you run an upgrade with a recent feeds list. you most likely mixed recent 2008.X stuff with the old 2007.2 stuff -- which basically means, your installation is beyond help ... your best bet would be to flash a recent image of 2008.12 (which is said to be a good choice) and a recent u-boot and kernel. please check the list's archives for links, since i am not using 208.12 i do not know where the images for the filesystem and the kernel live. here's the link for u-boot: http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin for getting into nor (to flash): - one way could be to turn the fr around, thus your thumb would match the aux button and your index finger hits the pwr. hold the aux and press the pwr until the menu comes up. it is not easy to me, but doable. depending on how long you are single handed you might be better at this than i am with two hands - the other way could be to press aux against some little bump or a pen and press the pwr with the thumb until the menu comes up ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ha...@jonesnose.com Harry L Lee (via gmail) chief cook and bottle washer http://jonesnose.com mailto:ha...@jonesnose.com 207-384-8030 (email preferred) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
why not fdom? simply didn't remember it. take what you like -- but since 2008.12 got some very good critiques and is widely used, i thought it would be a natural choice, in particular for a beginner with the fr. most of the problems you might encounter should be solved already, or at least a workaround/fix should be there. but as said before: use what looks nice to you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
i copied this file to my om but can't figger out what to do with it. here's the link for u-boot: http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin I tried some pretty creative stuff to press both keys, to no avail. if i press and hold power then press aux, something fundamental should happen, correct? if the power itself does nothing major,might that mean it's just being ignored? On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:09 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: afaik new freeruners still come with 2007.2 -- which in turn is discontinued, ie no upddates. if you run an upgrade with a recent feeds list. you most likely mixed recent 2008.X stuff with the old 2007.2 stuff -- which basically means, your installation is beyond help ... your best bet would be to flash a recent image of 2008.12 (which is said to be a good choice) and a recent u-boot and kernel. please check the list's archives for links, since i am not using 208.12 i do not know where the images for the filesystem and the kernel live. here's the link for u-boot: http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin for getting into nor (to flash): - one way could be to turn the fr around, thus your thumb would match the aux button and your index finger hits the pwr. hold the aux and press the pwr until the menu comes up. it is not easy to me, but doable. depending on how long you are single handed you might be better at this than i am with two hands - the other way could be to press aux against some little bump or a pen and press the pwr with the thumb until the menu comes up ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ha...@jonesnose.com Harry L Lee (via gmail) chief cook and bottle washer http://jonesnose.com mailto:ha...@jonesnose.com 207-384-8030 (email preferred) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
i'll take your advice if i can get it there. that was my goal. i'm eager to try debian On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:24 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: why not fdom? simply didn't remember it. take what you like -- but since 2008.12 got some very good critiques and is widely used, i thought it would be a natural choice, in particular for a beginner with the fr. most of the problems you might encounter should be solved already, or at least a workaround/fix should be there. but as said before: use what looks nice to you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ha...@jonesnose.com Harry L Lee (via gmail) chief cook and bottle washer http://jonesnose.com mailto:ha...@jonesnose.com 207-384-8030 (email preferred) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
i copied this file to my om but can't figger out what to do with it. nope. that has to live on your host computer -- you need to flash it to the fr with dfu-util. i strongly suggest, you read the wiki aboput flashing first! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner I tried some pretty creative stuff to press both keys, to no avail. if i press and hold power then press aux, something fundamental should happen, correct? _hold_ AUX, _then_ press PWR and hold until the menu appears -- in this order! to flash at least u-boot you need to be in nor mode. again, see the wiki page mentioned above, there's a section on how to get in nor mode. if the power itself does nothing major,might that mean it's just being ignored? for testing purposes you could hold pwr alone. after a few secs the aux led should flash shortly and the fr should vibrate for a moment and it should start to boot. but afaiu booting itself was no issue, right? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
i actually read that before you linked it. i can't get to the menu where you can flash. if i could, i would, long since have flashed. thus my desire for a small program or the dbg command to get to that menu. i've tried holding power and using my desk to press aux to no effect On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: i copied this file to my om but can't figger out what to do with it. nope. that has to live on your host computer -- you need to flash it to the fr with dfu-util. i strongly suggest, you read the wiki aboput flashing first! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner I tried some pretty creative stuff to press both keys, to no avail. if i press and hold power then press aux, something fundamental should happen, correct? _hold_ AUX, _then_ press PWR and hold until the menu appears -- in this order! to flash at least u-boot you need to be in nor mode. again, see the wiki page mentioned above, there's a section on how to get in nor mode. if the power itself does nothing major,might that mean it's just being ignored? for testing purposes you could hold pwr alone. after a few secs the aux led should flash shortly and the fr should vibrate for a moment and it should start to boot. but afaiu booting itself was no issue, right? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ha...@jonesnose.com Harry L Lee (via gmail) chief cook and bottle washer http://jonesnose.com mailto:ha...@jonesnose.com 207-384-8030 (email preferred) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
a small program or the dbg command to get to that menu. i've tried holding power and using my desk to press aux to no effect THE OTHER WAY ROUND! sorry for yelling, but you seem to repeatedly miss the point (which is perfectly normal, considering the amount of time you fiddling with this now ;-). HOLD AUX. PRESS PWR. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
no buzz no flash. yes, booting is an issue, if i press and hold power long enough, i eventually get an off (black screen) but it stays that way. regardless of button pushes. now it's a complete brick On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: i copied this file to my om but can't figger out what to do with it. nope. that has to live on your host computer -- you need to flash it to the fr with dfu-util. i strongly suggest, you read the wiki aboput flashing first! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner I tried some pretty creative stuff to press both keys, to no avail. if i press and hold power then press aux, something fundamental should happen, correct? _hold_ AUX, _then_ press PWR and hold until the menu appears -- in this order! to flash at least u-boot you need to be in nor mode. again, see the wiki page mentioned above, there's a section on how to get in nor mode. if the power itself does nothing major,might that mean it's just being ignored? for testing purposes you could hold pwr alone. after a few secs the aux led should flash shortly and the fr should vibrate for a moment and it should start to boot. but afaiu booting itself was no issue, right? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ha...@jonesnose.com Harry L Lee (via gmail) chief cook and bottle washer http://jonesnose.com mailto:ha...@jonesnose.com 207-384-8030 (email preferred) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
i start to loose track. could we form _one_ thread and stay in it? no buzz no flash. yes, booting is an issue, if i press and hold power long enough, i eventually get an off (black screen) but it stays that way. regardless of button pushes. now it's a complete brick battery low? plug in the wall charger and leave it alone for a few hours. then it should start again -- let it boot as far as it comes and leave it alone again (if it still runs, that is) for a few hours to recharge. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
On Friday 09 January 2009, arne anka wrote: a small program or the dbg command to get to that menu. i've tried holding power and using my desk to press aux to no effect THE OTHER WAY ROUND! sorry for yelling, but you seem to repeatedly miss the point (which is perfectly normal, considering the amount of time you fiddling with this now ;-). HOLD AUX. PRESS PWR. I can do this one handed as follows: Grip the phone with the middle finger on the Aux button and thumb on power. The index finger is on the top, slightly towards the gold coloured socket, and the pinkie is between the headset socket and the speaker grill. Holding the base of the phone (the end with the hole in) against your chest will make pressing the Aux button easier. Press and hold the Aux button, then press and hold the Power button. When both have been down for ~2s the Aux LED will flash and the phone will vibrate, but keep holding the buttons until the menu appears on screen. If you mess up the button presses you may get an unresponsive phone. Don't worry - remove the battery for a few seconds then replace it, wait ~15s then try again. It can be frustrating when you start, but once you get the hang of it it's very easy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
thanks! I was at the boot menu and tried dfu, thus: ha...@galaxy:~$ .//dfu-util -l dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY ha...@galaxy:~$ which does not look encouraging. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: On Friday 09 January 2009, arne anka wrote: a small program or the dbg command to get to that menu. i've tried holding power and using my desk to press aux to no effect THE OTHER WAY ROUND! sorry for yelling, but you seem to repeatedly miss the point (which is perfectly normal, considering the amount of time you fiddling with this now ;-). HOLD AUX. PRESS PWR. I can do this one handed as follows: Grip the phone with the middle finger on the Aux button and thumb on power. The index finger is on the top, slightly towards the gold coloured socket, and the pinkie is between the headset socket and the speaker grill. Holding the base of the phone (the end with the hole in) against your chest will make pressing the Aux button easier. Press and hold the Aux button, then press and hold the Power button. When both have been down for ~2s the Aux LED will flash and the phone will vibrate, but keep holding the buttons until the menu appears on screen. If you mess up the button presses you may get an unresponsive phone. Don't worry - remove the battery for a few seconds then replace it, wait ~15s then try again. It can be frustrating when you start, but once you get the hang of it it's very easy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ha...@jonesnose.com Harry L Lee (via gmail) chief cook and bottle washer http://jonesnose.com mailto:ha...@jonesnose.com 207-384-8030 (email preferred) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
thanks! I was at the boot menu and tried dfu, thus: ha...@galaxy:~$ .//dfu-util -l dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY ha...@galaxy:~$ which does not look encouraging. not quite, no. what returns lsusb ? ps: did you try it as root? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Harry L. Lee wrote: thanks! I was at the boot menu and tried dfu, thus: ha...@galaxy:~$ .//dfu-util -l dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY ha...@galaxy:~$ which does not look encouraging. i found that it needed privilege, ie has to be run as root, to do the operations it needs on the USB bus. one of my writeups is at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html#Upgrading-the-OS and may or may not be helpful. -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
On Friday 09 January 2009, Harry L. Lee wrote: thanks! I was at the boot menu and tried dfu, thus: ha...@galaxy:~$ .//dfu-util -l dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY ha...@galaxy:~$ which does not look encouraging. As others have mentioned you will need root privs to run dfu-util successfully. The other possible problem is the relatively short inactivity timeout on uboot - it may have shut down before you managed to run dfu-util. You can keep it awake by pressing the Aux button from time to time or make sure you have the commands ready to run before starting uboot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
so i try manually starting the x server with:
/etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start the openmoko please wait screen comes up for a second, and it drops back into the adcady (or is it adcrdy?) loop. seems like some package that could be installed using opkg could fix it. this apparently also broke resolv.conf my unix is rusty, i'll need to read up on the startup scripts -- ha...@jonesnose.com Harry L Lee (via gmail) chief cook and bottle washer http://jonesnose.com mailto:ha...@jonesnose.com 207-384-8030 (email preferred) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
