Re: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
On Tuesday 09 June 2009 00:05:10 Jon Levell wrote: Michael Zanetti wrote: How did you get the category bar on the bottom for example on screenshot #2753? I think that is a screenshot of Launcher: http://www.opkg.org/package_220.html No... It also isn't launcher... If it were launcher there were a clock and date on the background... This seems to be something that just manages categories for the desktop (hopefully much faster than sortdesk) and doesn't duplicate the clock and call notifiaction tasks... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli introduction video
Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com writes: Dear list, Im toying with the idea, of creating a Paroli introduction video, where I present all the basic phone functionality of paroli. Short of a tutorial, where I can point the newcomers to. I have began to shoot the video, and made about 5 min, where I needed to cut off. The video is not finished, and I will reshoot it, as it is blurry, and shacked the camera a lot. However, I will be not able reshoot it before wednesday or later next week. So Im posting this *work-in-progress* 10% made video to the community hoping that somebody with willing to record the audio will join me, and others will have some feedbacks too. I also hoping, if some of you have done video editing before, and can adjust the background sound, with voice, and finalise the video will step up, and help me. Otherwise I will reshoot the video next week, and put online as-is. I hope it will be less blurry (the lcd is broken in my camera, so cant see anything while filming;-|) What I really like in this video, is how speedy paroli is. There is not much waiting, the video is realtime, was absolutely no editing in it. http://www.vimeo.com/5029019 Feedbacks? I really liked this video. It made me smile, and got me interested in Paroli. I liked the little surprises, the way the signs were used creatively. Constructive critisicm: please improve the readability of the signs by improving contrast in them. Dont use hollowed out lettering. I had difficulty reading some of the signs. I still think the signs should be hand-made though, it adds to the flavour. Maybe you could make a hand-drawn skin for Paroli? I would use it :) Laszlo PS: bear in mind, that this is my first video. Dont be too harsh. -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtExtended] Leonardo's keyboard
Hello, I would like to thank again all developers of QtExtended for your excellent work. I've some questions for you: -is there any return key on the Leonardo's keyboard (I'm not able to find it by myself)? -why, in that keyboard, there are 2 u keys? -which is, now, the right name for the distribution? QtExtendedImproved or QtMoko or another one or both? -I can't remember how to switch between predictive and not predictive keyboards, would you please suggest it again? -is it possible, using Qmplayer in normal mode (i.e. non in full screen), to have the video centered instead of in the up-left corner? Thank you very much Giacomo -- /_\ The ASCII Per comunicare in modo riservato: \_/ Ribbon Campaign gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \ X Against HTML--recv-keys 20611EAD /_\ Email! -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Leaving Openmoko and continuing with Openmoko
Hi everybody, today I wanted to make it official that I left my employed role at Openmoko Inc. two weeks ago. I worked as Sean's lead for all engineering activities for over 1.5 years, and have to say it was a hell of a ride! Thanks a lot to Sean and all former and current Openmoko employees, as well as our community and customers, for giving me such a challenging and also rewarding environment to work in. It was an honor to work with all of you! I will continue to work with Sean and Openmoko Inc. in an outsourcing role. In parallel, me and other ex-Openmoko employees are trying to regroup outside of the company to add new flavors to the Openmoko family. Stay tuned for news as this unfolds, we will need your support. The key breakthrough Openmoko achieved in my mind is to kickstart a collaborative way to develop consumer electronics. Sean is yet to thank enough for the groundbreaking and truly visionary entrepreneurial role he played in that. When I joined Openmoko, I had never heard about Creative Commons. Now I am meeting with semiconductor companies lobbying them to publish more documentation under CC licenses. And I am blown away by Werner's gta02-core project which has all schematics and layout files under a Creative Commons ShareAlike license from day 1, and is using only Free Software tools. If you look at today's best consumer products, they are the results of endless polishing by a tightly controlled group of people and companies. The results are amazing - Apple products come to my mind, Blackberry and others. Unfortunately as of today the end user experience of a Neo Freerunner is far away from that :-) But that doesn't mean that the visionary role Openmoko is playing leads in the wrong direction. It just needs more time. As consumer electronics become more complex, for example interact more over radio interfaces, it will increasingly become harder for a tightly setup and controlled group to make great end user products. It will be slow and expensive. Zoom forward and I can see how freely formed groups of companies and individuals collaborate in the Creative Commons ShareAlike way, on an equal playing field, to make products that are both better and cheaper for a particular user group than anything else out there. We have a long way to go on this path, Openmoko the company as well as the community and new offspring companies need to stay together and keep the faith. You can count me in. I am reachable and will stay active under my wolfg...@openmoko.org account, or my private account wspr...@q-ag.de. Feel free to contact me for anything Openmoko or Freerunner related, ideas for new collaboratively developed products, etc. Wolfgang ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Leonardo's keyboard
Hi, On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM, giacomo giotti marianigiacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote: Hello, I would like to thank again all developers of QtExtended for your excellent work. I've some questions for you: -is there any return key on the Leonardo's keyboard (I'm not able to find it by myself)? no -why, in that keyboard, there are 2 u keys? a typo from Leonardo :-) -which is, now, the right name for the distribution? QtExtendedImproved or QtMoko or another one or both? qtmoko -I can't remember how to switch between predictive and not predictive keyboards, would you please suggest it again? slide diagonally, but whether it is left-down to right-up or the other way around, I don't remember right now. Also for now, there's no visual feedback. And more: my install script removes the dictionaries (I think), so no prediction if those are removed of course ... -is it possible, using Qmplayer in normal mode (i.e. non in full screen), to have the video centered instead of in the up-left corner? Radek can answer this one. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Leonardo's keyboard
giacomo giotti mariani wrote: -is it possible, using Qmplayer in normal mode (i.e. non in full screen), to have the video centered instead of in the up-left corner? If you figure out parameter for mplayer to do this, then i can implement this in qmplayer. Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Leaving Openmoko and continuing with Openmoko
Hi Wolfgang and thank you for the work you've done to make this happen, what we've achieved so far. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Wolfgang Spraulwolfg...@openmoko.org wrote: I will continue to work with Sean and Openmoko Inc. in an outsourcing role. In parallel, me and other ex-Openmoko employees are trying to regroup outside of the company to add new flavors to the Openmoko family. Stay tuned for news as this unfolds, we will need your support. This sound's interesting. I hope this doesn't create a parallel structure to the planned foundation, but you'd be a part of it. If you ask me, leaders to have the freedom to take the community to where you want it to go, not where investors etc want it to go. If you look at today's best consumer products, they are the results of endless polishing by a tightly controlled group of people and companies. The results are amazing - Apple products come to my mind, Blackberry and others. Unfortunately as of today the end user experience of a Neo Freerunner is far away from that :-) I must agree - I was just reading the latest releases by Apple and I admit being jealous with all the new features hardware. And all the cool apps they have - OK, Linux world has thousands of apps but they're designed for keyboard, mouse and big screen, not a small portable device with touch screen. Zoom forward and I can see how freely formed groups of companies and individuals collaborate in the Creative Commons ShareAlike way, on an equal playing field, to make products that are both better and cheaper for a particular user group than anything else out there. Waiting this to happen ... :) Anyway, I'm really looking forward to see what happens with the company-independent community, how it will organize itself and what's the direction where we'll be going. Keep up the good work (and I really appreciate it that you former OM people stay in the project, it's very valuable as you have all the background information about the device and the project that the community can only guess..) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
c_c, this app rocks. I'd like to know how to put it in the place of the default illume home page, so it's the first screen when you boot the phone. It's much better. Btw, some icons are missing in launcher, while they show up in illume home. For example contacts, dialer, messages. PhoneLog shows up ok. All that shows up is the caption of the program. Michal 2009/6/6 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com Hi, Cameron Frazier wrote: in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom): elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce) Thanks. That helped. I needed to update my elementary libs on the laptop too. So here's the latest version - without the bouncing - and yes it's a lot simpler to use. http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3034171/launcher_0.22_arm.ipk launcher_0.22_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.21-tp2969146p3034171.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Leonardo's keyboard
Yes. now qtmoko On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: giacomo giotti mariani wrote: -is it possible, using Qmplayer in normal mode (i.e. non in full screen), to have the video centered instead of in the up-left corner? If you figure out parameter for mplayer to do this, then i can implement this in qmplayer. Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux International and Openmoko
Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: If the Openmoko community is interested in pursuing this, I would be happy to discuss LI's plans further with you, and how Openmoko could fit into this. I think putting gta02-core and similar projects under the wings of LI is a wonderful idea ! We already discussed some of this a few days ago. Below are some hopefully not too random thoughts on the things a project like gta02-core needs and how they fit with what I think an organization like LI can provide. For technical projects like gta02-core, one of the most important roles of such an organization would be to enter contracts and to maintain rights that exist beyond and across projects. For example, if we need to enter an NDA for some purpose, also follow-on projects should be able to use this NDA without having to re-negotiate it (which can be very difficult if not impossible.) I'm not familiar with the subtleties that distinguish the various forms of organization, and their impact on commercial activities, but I think we can identify a few types of such activities that are likely to be necessary: For projects like gta02-core and possible successors, it would be important to purchase goods (e.g., components), contract services (e.g., PCB making or an SMT run), sell products (e.g., boards or complete phones), and to save some of the revenue for later activities (e.g., purchase of material). Furthermore, it should be possible to hire or contract people for roles that are beyond the scope of mere volunteer activities. The international chapters certainly resonate well with the global interest in open phone development that we've experienced with Openmoko. Regarding international members, is there any special paperwork they need to do to join LI as members or to perform tasks in which they represent LI (or a sub-group ?) to some extent, e.g., negotiate a contract ? If none of the items above raises a red flag, I'd say this should be an excellent match. The experience of LI would help projects like gta02-core to establish a solid organizational framework, and the prominence of LI would help gain visibility, attract participants, and open doors for industry contacts. When these bustling projects are successful in bringing openness, both for hard- and software, into new areas and to new users, this would in turn be just what LI aims for. So I'd like to thank you for the invitation, and I'm very excited about the prospect of joining forces with LI. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Hackable:1] Bluetooth: How to connect with laptop? (ubuntu 9.04)
Hi, I hope someone can answer this question: How can I connect my neo with my laptop per bluetooth? When I enable th BT connection ower the powerButton menu my laptop can see the neo and the neo can see my laptop. But every try to connect the two fails. On the neo I tried: hcitool cc macAddressOfTheBTChipOfMyLaptop there comes no message after that and the two are not connected From my laptop I tried it over the GUI, but here it asks for a PIN and I don't know what PIN the H:1 has?! Or where I can configure it. Hope someone can help me. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
Michal Brzozowski schrieb: c_c, this app rocks. I'd like to know how to put it in the place of the default illume home page, so it's the first screen when you boot the phone. It's much better. Btw, some icons are missing in launcher, while they show up in illume home. For example contacts, dialer, messages. PhoneLog shows up ok. All that shows up is the caption of the program. Michal the reason is, because these icons are under /usr/share/icons/name of currently selected icon theme/.../... you can fix it by copying them to /usr/share/applications ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mer on OpenMoko devices ?
Hi, With previous release of goshawknest (clap clap clap) I was able to make a demo and to provide a bootable image of mer for freerunner download it to your sdcard and boot it Or check video demo at : http://www.newlc.com/en/mer-best-maemo-debianubuntu-mobiles-watch-freerunner-demo Also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Hardware/Freerunner#install_.2F_download http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mer feel free to mirror the file Regards -- Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Leonardo's keyboard
Hello, I would like to thank again all developers of QtExtended ?for your excellent work. I've some questions for you: -is there any return key on the Leonardo's keyboard (I'm not able to find it by myself)? no I wonder why... -why, in that keyboard, there are 2 u keys? a typo from Leonardo :-) asd... -which is, now, the right name for the distribution? QtExtendedImproved or QtMoko or another one or both? qtmoko OK -I can't remember how to switch between predictive and not predictive keyboards, would you please suggest it again? slide diagonally, but whether it is left-down to right-up or the other way around, I don't remember right now. Also for now, there's no visual feedback. And more: my install script removes the dictionaries (I think), so no prediction if those are removed of course ... All I find is: ls -l /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/dict/* -rw-r--r--1 root root 2340 Jun 1 19:54 /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/dict/internet.dawg /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/dict/en_US: -rw-r--r--1 root root27988 Jun 1 19:54 common.dawg -rw-r--r--1 root root 497988 Jun 1 19:54 words.dawg Are that binary files the dictionary? -is it possible, using Qmplayer in normal mode (i.e. non in full screen), to have the video centered instead of in the up-left corner? If you figure out parameter for mplayer to do this, then i can implement this in qmplayer. Radek I'm searching around...not that easy :-) Thank you. -- /_\ The ASCII Per comunicare in modo riservato: \_/ Ribbon Campaign gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \ X Against HTML--recv-keys 20611EAD /_\ Email! -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In latest and greates progress mail 12 gprs should work without any issue ;) On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Filip Onkelinxfi...@linux4.be wrote: Hi Rene, Franky, I've been using GRPS on QtE for several months without major issues. I remember I once had to create the device file /dev/ppp On my current (old) QtE image, ls -l /dev/ppp gives me: crw--- 1 root root 108,0 Jun 8 16:49 /dev/ppp you might want to check if you have this device file, and if not try to create it with mknod. (you will probably need to add it to the startup script ) cheers, Filip. On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:58:58 +0200, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:43:40 -0500 Rene Horn the.rh...@gmail.com wrote: I just tried out this version. I'm still having issues with GPRS. I'd like to be able to fix the issue myself if I could, or at least point out a possible fix. I know it can work because it does under SHR-Unstable. Where should I be looking for this? Where is all the GPRS code located? Where are the scripts? Rene I never tried gprs myself (don't have an account), but you can always look at the script in /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/ppp-network The pppd daemon seems to be launched by this script via using sudo. You might want to check that the needed ppp modules are up and running. Also check if the ppp packages are installed. The dialup source is in src/plugins/network/dialing Also read the hint mentioned here: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg33030.html and a small howto also here: http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html If you find anything, please let us know, so we can improve the user experience for everybody! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia Sent from Milan, MI, Italy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[openwrt] some issues..
Hi, I am trying to compile the openwrt for the openmoko. It seems that the tele.edje file (of paroli) is missing from the sources, where can I find it? If I will not include the paroli package, I can install the openwrt on my freerunner, but the screen timeout every 2-3 sec, is there any way to get rid of this? Also, as I see, there is no on screen keyboard... Thanx Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openwrt] some issues..
Chris Syntichakis wrote: Hi, I am trying to compile the openwrt for the openmoko. It seems that the tele.edje file (of paroli) is missing from the sources, where can I find it? If I will not include the paroli package, I can install the openwrt on my freerunner, but the screen timeout every 2-3 sec, is there any way to get rid of this? Also, as I see, there is no on screen keyboard... Thanx Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hey Chris, right now a very early version of paroli is packaged. We're working on getting a recent version packaged and I think it will be commited within the next days. There's work going on related to the Openmoko-stuff right now on lot's of parts in trunk, so it might be possible that some upgrades/changes break/broke older parts (in this case it might be paroli) which are going to be upgraded later anyway. In case you can't/won't wait, please mention the revision of your working copy and and the exact error-message you get when compiling with make V=99. mirko -- This email address is used for mailinglist purposes only. Non-mailinglist emails will be dropped automatically. If you want to get in contact with me personally, please mail to: mirko.vogt at nanl dot de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Leonardo's keyboard
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:02:17 +0200 giacomo \giotti\ mariani giacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote: Hello, I would like to thank again all developers of QtExtended ?for your excellent work. I've some questions for you: -is there any return key on the Leonardo's keyboard (I'm not able to find it by myself)? no I wonder why... because Leonardo didn't put that in, that's all :-) snip All I find is: ls -l /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/dict/* -rw-r--r--1 root root 2340 Jun 1 19:54 /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/dict/internet.dawg /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/dict/en_US: -rw-r--r--1 root root27988 Jun 1 19:54 common.dawg -rw-r--r--1 root root 497988 Jun 1 19:54 words.dawg Are that binary files the dictionary? yes, these are the files. Now I need to look at the code to find the correct move to reactivate predictiveness ... Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko planet go crazy???
planet.openmoko.org Is full of very old posts form Michael Siloh (HI Michael, wherever you are!) ,John Lee,(a year old a lot of them) and from gecko, Talpadk a couple of monts old. -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
On Sun, 2009-06-07 at 22:37 +0400, ivvmm wrote: Hello list koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz. How dangerous could it be? I always carry the device near my heart because it is needed to for GPS to receive an accurate position. How could GSM module be shut down truly? We all know it sends control-signals even if turned off. Thank you. There was a post on the planet long time ago with the measurements of the power of the radio waves emitted(SAR) by diverse phones including the freerunner...and it end up in the middle of the comparison,that is to say it was not the best but not the worse. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
The command Launcher pulls from the desktop file seems to have a character limit that is too short. I'm guessing you use 45 characters. That's not necessarily enough... I finally figured out that was why one of my apps wasn't launching: Because I had used a bunch of parameters and the launch was erroring out because Launcher was dropping part of one of my parameters. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
Hi Thanks for thinking and investigating time about paroli look! Thanks for your reply - I missed it in the bulk. I have read your proposal, however I dont really get the sizzle part (maybe because of my weak english skills). Well, the 'sizzle' could be anything. I'd like to see the phone get excited once you start touching it; it can be boring as dead if its laying on the table, in fact, I'd like that. But when you touch it, ... yes, I have a sort of erotic concept here :-) As for the hilites - I understand there is no 'hoover'; but there is a split second before the screen actually changes. about 0.2 seconds will be exactly enough to give the feeling it's sizzling :-) I've seen this behaviour in om2008 - the same green - it was exciting. I assume someone (Mirko?) is still leading on development of paroli. That is true, Mirko is still around, and leading paroli development. Im messing with the gui here and there. OK, that's good to know. I'm actually not sure if I'll make the dive into edje soon :-| I don't like edje very much from the looks of it. Yeah, Im almost done, with the most basic and urgent improvements (back button everywhere). Great - sorry - that's not what I meant - I meant, I don't like edje as a gui language. I was taught there.is.only.xul :-) nice video btw ! *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
Hi We are in, task 2 done you can see and download them at http://www.tuxbrain.com/node/19 ok - I have similar screenshots at http://pike.kw.nl/browse/files/projects/pike/2009/om2009/parolishots I was aiming at a more graphic redesign, so it includes screenshots with raster keyboard and paroli-in-illume (which imho should be considered in the design efforts - most people will -have to- actually use it windowed). $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
Hi Hey great! All 'design guidelines' and things like that are great! I'd like you to explain more of what's happening in the screenshots. Tell what is new, why have you done it, what's the thinking behind it etc. I find it more easier to explain using pictures :-) Got a graphic mind I guess. Take a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Bab-1.2-3screens.png Any good interface has it's on Rythm Rhyme. On a single screen, your eye will catch the hidden grid and swerve around primary and secondary options in a split second. This works subliminally - you wouldn't even notice, but this is what makes an interface 'feel good'. This is even more true for phones, small screen, use it with one eye and one finger in a busy environment .. and between screens, your memory will recognize changes in that Rythm and Rhyme, too. Yes, a good interface is much like a poem, or a piece of music :-) .. so I was trying to find a grid, a basic layout, that fits all purposes. At the same time, this grid should be numberfriendly, as it has to be programmed in edje. You need a few classes of fonts, not a new font on every page. Same with colors, shades, etc. So that's basicly what this was http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:BAB-List-default-1.0-grid.png .. but it's already outdated :-) Such a grid should include whatever options you might think of in the future - dialogs, extra buttons, etc .. so that's basicly this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:BAB-List-default-1.0.png For example, this big blocker bar (a modal dialog) is not actually used anywhere, but if it *would* be, it should be there (there is a modal dialog in the dial and when sending an sms, btw). Same for the informational bar - a thing that should hide itself once you touch the screen imho - its not used anywhere - but if it would be, it should be right there. And hey, it could say 52 messages, 4 unread, for an instance, couldnt it ? :-) what is new As little as possible :-D But, as I'm sketching and using the phone, a few things are indeed new and needed imho. - The next, back paradigm doesnt really work for me. I want to know *what* next is. back is not always where I came from. And above that, I don't always know where I am (this happens particularly in the settings, currently). So I've changed back and next to a virtual path and an action. There could be more actions, actually (eg in sms|read, you can delete and reply a message). If you click on an action, that should become part of your path in the next screen. For example, if you are in Setting | Wifi, the main action is Scan. In the next screen, the path should be Settings | Wifi | Scan. Action and Paths are CamelCased. - the panel (the top bar) should be removed in all screens if we are in windowed mode imho, because you now get two rows of similar icons. Ergo, there can be nothing essential in Paroli's panel that's not in the Illume panel. And hence, you need a different button to close a paroli app (like msgs) when you are not in full screen - because the clock should not be here. In fact, it should look like a close button: if you tap around Illume, you will find the chooser is still hanging around and not responding until you close the other screen. So that's what the funny circle is in the 3rd image at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:BAB-List-default-1.0.png , a 'close button'. I also think the main screen, the launcher, should indicate it's waiting for the other app to quit. It would not harm if you are in fullscreen (since you won't see it) and it would be very beneficial in windowed mode. I have a screenshot of that, here .. - If you look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Bab-1.2-3screens.png you'll see there are more ideas - and I have still more on paper. Most of them are optional. But I understand, doing something like what I sketched in the Launcher requires changing the whole way it works (in Python), not just changing edje files :-| The most important thing is, I think, I differentiate between primary and secondary options: The screen is divided in lines. Each line can only have one primary, big, white, option. If you click it, the background color of the whole line quickly hilites before the screen changes. A line can have several secondary (small, grey, lowercased) options. If you click it, only the font color quickly switches before the screen changes. I think this differentation is usefull, as it gives a user an idea about the default action - go forward - and several sideoptions - delete that thing, go back - without visually cluttering the screen. Anyway .. that's a lot of text. Maybe I should get into edje. Or maybe I should get XULRunner to work on my phone :-D $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org
Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
THIS IS BIG! Thank you pike for the time you've used for this. I see that these things have some experience and knowledge about usability in it and I'd certainly like to see this implemented - I'm sure it's easier to learn how to use. You're so right about the clear division of primarysecondary etc. Awesome work with the mockups. Please join #paroli to start learning edje, I'd guess khiraly and vegyraupe(=mirko) are ready to help you with it. Keep up the good work!! Risto ps. would be nice to get this concept in the wiki so it wouldn't be lost in the mail archives, would you put it here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-themes -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:07 AM, pikepike-openm...@kw.nl wrote: But, as I'm sketching and using the phone, a few things are indeed new and needed imho. - The next, back paradigm doesnt really work for me. I want to know *what* next is. back is not always where I came from. And above that, I don't always know where I am (this happens particularly in the settings, currently). So I've changed back and next to a virtual path and an action. There could be more actions, actually (eg in sms|read, you can delete and reply a message). If you click on an action, that should become part of your path in the next screen. For example, if you are in Setting | Wifi, the main action is Scan. In the next screen, the path should be Settings | Wifi | Scan. Action and Paths are CamelCased. +1 for this idea. -- Regards Shashank As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it - Albert Einstein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenBmap
Hi! I've been able to run openbmap (see opkg.org) for about a week now, here are some experiences: - Collecting cell id's is MUCH more easier than contributing to openstreetmap.org: all you need to do is start the openbmap app, make sure it has 3d fix, press the 'generate' -button (that'll be renamed to 'start' or 'log' or something soon :) and off you go. It records all the cells it sees. When you go inside, press 'quit' or 'stop'. When you get connected to Internet, press 'Upload'. That's it. (ok, before uploading you need to register at openbmap.org) - no need to go and analyze the saved data afterwards. - I already discussed with Onen (#openmoko-cdevel) some issues in the client app (= I have no idea what all the numbers mean and OTOH it'd be nice to have it work as a daemon eating as little resources as possible, OTOH it'd be nice to have the possibility to see a visualization of the data collected) - about the website www.openbmap.org - it's nice to see the servers uprunning again! I was surprised to get over 700 cells collected by just driving a car for 250km and taking a train back and taking a bus for 30 minutes in the city. Hard to believe I'd have seen 700 cells but if they tell I did.. http://realtimeblog.free.fr/logins_stats.php - Maps - this is the 'visualization' part of the project and I think that is what makes people interested and contribute - like every FLOSS software homepage should have 'screenshots' as one of the main menu items. Now you can select the country, mobile network, location area code and single cell to see the coverage there. (http://realtimeblog.free.fr/with_osm.php?mcc=244mnc=91step=2 ) Since all I know is the country code and my cell operator. - sort the country list alphabetically - people don't have any idea of country codes (that are not the same as the phone country code: calling to finland needs +358 but the cell country code is 244...). - ok, I'm fine with selecting the mobile operator, that's something most of us know - but maybe sort again alphabetically, not based on the code none of us has ever seen.. - but selecting the location area code - give me a break! So far we have 40 - 100 codes for single operator in Finland. If I wanted to know what's the coverage on the area of my interest, I have to just try to find the area I want by trying the list. And when I finally find that, I have to go through all the single cells individually. Nt very inspiring. - I think the country should be selected by the map: it should give the central coordinates and size to be used in the database search that then returns the information of cells. Different operators could be visualized by different colour. And then when I zoom in, at some stage it'd start showing the coverage if individual cells. And then clicking on a cell coverage area could give me the numbers: country id, operator, location area core, cell ID etc.. The current way expects people to want to know the coverage on one operator on one location area, and single cell instead of finding the cells in one area - which I really believe is the approach people would use more. So now we're waiting to be able to use all this information collected by three projects (opencellid, cellhunter and openbmap - all the data has been imported to openbmap so atm it's the biggest most precise as most information is collected) to locate Freerunner. It'd be great to have it somewhere in low levels so that GPS apps could maybe work on this: some daemon just provides to location information, no matter if it's a random guess, based on GPS, GSM cells or WLAN base stations. Until that, please contribute to openbmap, it's easy fun the next version of the client app will have some fixes that make using it even nicer. Thanks for everyone who have contributed to this (including the people of cellhunter opencellid!) ps. is it possible to download the whole data as a single file? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
some questions before buying FreeRunner
In The Name Of God I'll be thankful if you guide ; 1-Is it possible that FR GPS does not work in IRAN ? (gsm is 900/1800).and what is GPS antenna for ? 2-Which 8 GB memory Card do you advice for booting openmoko+androide+debian+qtopia on FR ?and for having them beside each other on FR is not 4 GB memory enoughe ? what capacity is enoughe ? 3-Can other car chargers be used to charge FR ? 4-Do all Bluetooth headsets work with FR ? 5-What part of non buzz fixed A6 has buzz ?How can we understand if it is fixed or not ? 6-Dealer has said that it's A6 FR is buzz fixed ,should i trust ? what can i do if he/she posted it in our country and was not buzz fixed ? Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some questions before buying FreeRunner
1-Is it possible that FR GPS does not work in IRAN ? Don't think so, it's global and local authorities can do nothing about it (except tell you not to use GPS) (gsm is 900/1800).and what is GPS antenna for ? GPS antenna is there to receive GPS signal. No antenna - no signal. Like on your radio: no antenna - no signal. 2-Which 8 GB memory Card do you advice for booting openmoko+androide+debian+qtopia on FR ?and for having them beside each other on FR is not 4 GB memory enoughe ? what capacity is enoughe ? I have Sandisk, works nice. And no, if you plan to run all four, I don't recommend you to get a 4GB one.. 3-Can other car chargers be used to charge FR ? Yes, but you need to tell FR (software) to start the charging 5-What part of non buzz fixed A6 has buzz ?How can we understand if it is fixed or not ? Open it and see if the resistor and capacitor are there (google for big-c-fix) - the only way to be sure. But you can ask the distributor, or just buy a A7 one to be sure. 6-Dealer has said that it's A6 FR is buzz fixed ,should i trust ? what can i do if he/she posted it in our country and was not buzz fixed ? If you can't get a A7 and you want the phone then that's all you can do. At least tuxbrain also sells buzzfixed A6 and I'd trust them: if the start shipping not-buzzfixed A6 phones claiming they're fixed, their sales will go down and I don't think they want it. But if they send you a non-buzzfixed even if you ordered a fixed one send them an angry e-mail and tell them you'll sue them in IRAN if they will not fix your FR. That should do it.. By the way all there question e-mails would be a nice FAQ or 'read this if you plan to buy' if someone just collected them together in the wiki.. Would you do it? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenBmap
Hi + 1 for the hard steps to see the polygone of one cell in the map trrough all the lists. Why not just show all the cells in the current zoom level, from e.g zoom level 14 or 15 (to avoid loading to many data and slowing down). This is what we want to know : is the coverage ok in this or that area ? If not, ok, I go there where there is no cell registered, and do som logging. Anyway, thanks for this great app. 2009/6/10 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi Hi! I've been able to run openbmap (see opkg.org) for about a week now, here are some experiences: - Collecting cell id's is MUCH more easier than contributing to openstreetmap.org: all you need to do is start the openbmap app, make sure it has 3d fix, press the 'generate' -button (that'll be renamed to 'start' or 'log' or something soon :) and off you go. It records all the cells it sees. When you go inside, press 'quit' or 'stop'. When you get connected to Internet, press 'Upload'. That's it. (ok, before uploading you need to register at openbmap.org) - no need to go and analyze the saved data afterwards. - I already discussed with Onen (#openmoko-cdevel) some issues in the client app (= I have no idea what all the numbers mean and OTOH it'd be nice to have it work as a daemon eating as little resources as possible, OTOH it'd be nice to have the possibility to see a visualization of the data collected) - about the website www.openbmap.org - it's nice to see the servers uprunning again! I was surprised to get over 700 cells collected by just driving a car for 250km and taking a train back and taking a bus for 30 minutes in the city. Hard to believe I'd have seen 700 cells but if they tell I did.. http://realtimeblog.free.fr/logins_stats.php - Maps - this is the 'visualization' part of the project and I think that is what makes people interested and contribute - like every FLOSS software homepage should have 'screenshots' as one of the main menu items. Now you can select the country, mobile network, location area code and single cell to see the coverage there. (http://realtimeblog.free.fr/with_osm.php?mcc=244mnc=91step=2 ) Since all I know is the country code and my cell operator. - sort the country list alphabetically - people don't have any idea of country codes (that are not the same as the phone country code: calling to finland needs +358 but the cell country code is 244...). - ok, I'm fine with selecting the mobile operator, that's something most of us know - but maybe sort again alphabetically, not based on the code none of us has ever seen.. - but selecting the location area code - give me a break! So far we have 40 - 100 codes for single operator in Finland. If I wanted to know what's the coverage on the area of my interest, I have to just try to find the area I want by trying the list. And when I finally find that, I have to go through all the single cells individually. Nt very inspiring. - I think the country should be selected by the map: it should give the central coordinates and size to be used in the database search that then returns the information of cells. Different operators could be visualized by different colour. And then when I zoom in, at some stage it'd start showing the coverage if individual cells. And then clicking on a cell coverage area could give me the numbers: country id, operator, location area core, cell ID etc.. The current way expects people to want to know the coverage on one operator on one location area, and single cell instead of finding the cells in one area - which I really believe is the approach people would use more. So now we're waiting to be able to use all this information collected by three projects (opencellid, cellhunter and openbmap - all the data has been imported to openbmap so atm it's the biggest most precise as most information is collected) to locate Freerunner. It'd be great to have it somewhere in low levels so that GPS apps could maybe work on this: some daemon just provides to location information, no matter if it's a random guess, based on GPS, GSM cells or WLAN base stations. Until that, please contribute to openbmap, it's easy fun the next version of the client app will have some fixes that make using it even nicer. Thanks for everyone who have contributed to this (including the people of cellhunter opencellid!) ps. is it possible to download the whole data as a single file? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenBmap
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: - I already discussed with Onen (#openmoko-cdevel) some issues in the client app (= I have no idea what all the numbers mean and OTOH it'd be nice to have it work as a daemon eating as little resources as possible, OTOH it'd be nice to have the possibility to see a visualization of the data collected) I found the log file informative and entertaining to follow (tail -f .openBmap/openBmap.log) . Cellhunter often crashes (taking ophonekit with it) and I don't notice because it simply stops refreshing the display. - about the website www.openbmap.org - it's nice to see the servers uprunning again! I was surprised to get over 700 cells collected by just driving a car for 250km and taking a train back and taking a bus for 30 minutes in the city. Hard to believe I'd have seen 700 cells but if they tell I did.. http://realtimeblog.free.fr/logins_stats.php I did a big upload yesterday (52 log files) and unfortunately I let it delete the processed ones (After the Successfully uploaded (52) log files dialog). Unfortunately because I haven't seen my username(lambdacomplex)/cells on the stats page or the twitter or on the map yet so I worry they have been lost in the abyss. Does it say anywhere what the delay/process is to get the cells onto the maps? The website could use some more features like that - some way to login to be able to change/recover your password and a way to see what you've uploaded. Cellhunter of course gives you instantanious confirmation in the form of points ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenBmap
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleirmaxi...@gmail.com wrote: I did a big upload yesterday (52 log files) and unfortunately I let it delete the processed ones (After the Successfully uploaded (52) log files dialog). Unfortunately because I haven't seen my username(lambdacomplex)/cells on the stats page or the twitter or on the map yet so I worry they have been lost in the abyss. Does it say anywhere what the delay/process is to get the cells onto the maps? The server was broken at some stage so the website was not updated but AFAIK no information was lost so I believe your data is also somewhere there.. just wait to see your stats updated. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some questions before buying FreeRunner
a dehqan wrote: ...and what is GPS antenna for If you're talking about the GPS Antenna jack on the side of the phone, it's unnecessary unless you are in a building or car with very bad signal. 6-Dealer has said that it's A6 FR is buzz fixed ,should i trust ? what can i do if he/she posted it in our country and was not buzz fixed If the dealer is listed on the Wiki, then I don't see why they shouldn't be trusted. -Boris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
