Re: State of FreeCalypso
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: Why is your wellness dependant on a phone? Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my life, and I need this essential communication device to be free from closed black-box firmware. It is also a well-known fact that most free software developers derive great personal satisfaction from doing something that benefits a larger community, and my projects are no different in this regard. I consider it a very worthy use of my life to work on building a freedom-enabling and freedom-respecting personal communication device which many people will greatly appreciate having in their hands, pockets and purses - even if you specifically are not one of those people. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On 04/18/2015 08:30 AM, m...@dmatthews.org wrote: I'm impressed by‎ your dedication and detail, and I partly enjoy reading your updates +1 but s/partly/entirely [although I also didn't enjoy reading threats :-)] Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware that offers the four freedoms. OsmocomBB? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 21:32 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I am not asking you to publicly apologize for the 2 years of mental TORTURE you put me through They didn't put you through torture, you put yourself through it. You continue to do that now, in different ways. The person who you most need to apologise to is yourself. I wish you healing and wellness. Bob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: OsmocomBB? Unfortunately they seem to have absolutely no interest in producing a phone (or firmware for a phone) which an end user could carry in her purse. Their software absolutely requires the phone to be tethered to a PC at all times (instead of running the GSM protocol stack on the baseband processor where it is supposed to run, they run it on the PC instead), and if the phone gets unplugged for even a moment, it immediately loses its ability to receive incoming calls and SMS. Furthermore, the state of OsmocomBB today (for normal GSM usage, NOT hacking) is exactly the same today as it was in late 2010 or early 2011: zero progress made in 4 years. It is very unfortunate indeed: the people behind OsmocomBB know GSM far better than I do, and I am fairly sure that they are very capable of making their GPLed GSM stack work on a phone in a practically usable manner if they wanted to. But apparently they have no interest in such a project, and I don't have any supernatural powers to make them work on something they are not interested in. Therefore, I am doing the only thing that *is* within my power and which *will* result in a practically usable phone running source- enabled firmware: working on my own alternative non-OsmocomBB implementation, called FreeCalypso. Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: They didn't put you through torture, you put yourself through it. You continue to do that now, in different ways. Just out of curiosity, how do you think I am torturing myself now? The person who you most need to apologise to is yourself. For what? For wanting to have a phone that doesn't suck? For wanting to have a phone such that if something doesn't work because of a bug in the firmware, I can fix it myself instead of throwing it out and getting a new one in a vain hope that it will work better? I don't see any wrongdoing in having such a desire or in working toward its satisfaction - hence I don't see what I should be apologizing to myself for. I wish you healing and wellness. Those will happen automatically as soon as I have a phone in my purse that runs my own firmware. I am actively working toward the latter, and don't need anything from you. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my life What would be the consequences if you didn't have a mobile phone to do that? I do have a mobile phone for communicating with my family and friends etc, and have had one continuously since 2003. However, all of these phones I've been using run firmware for which I have no source (and given their age and the ephemeral nature of proprietary sw, I consider it highly likely that no one else in the entire world has it either, i.e., it's lost, gone to the great bit bucket in the sky), and this lack of firmware source code prevents me from being able to fix functional bugs or modify the UI design to my own personal taste. I consider this status quo to be a very poor state of affairs, and because I just happen to have the right knowledge and skills (and since the fall of 2013, the necessary starting materials) to improve the situation, I choose to work on the latter. True. However, there's a very big difference between deriving satisfaction from doing worthwhile work and being pathologically dependant on it. I don't know any other free software developers who threaten to murder those who get in the way of their work. It looks like for you, the work isn't done just for satisfaction, it looks like a need. The need I had at that time has been satisfied, hence there is nothing relevant to the present in need of discussion here. Nothing to see here, move along. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 17:11 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: Why is your wellness dependant on a phone? Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my life What would be the consequences if you didn't have a mobile phone to do that? It is also a well-known fact that most free software developers derive great personal satisfaction from doing something that benefits a larger community True. However, there's a very big difference between deriving satisfaction from doing worthwhile work and being pathologically dependant on it. I don't know any other free software developers who threaten to murder those who get in the way of their work. It looks like for you, the work isn't done just for satisfaction, it looks like a need. On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 17:41 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I do not owe any apology to a bunch of sadists who got some kind of sexual gratification out of watching my life wither away (for a full 2 years!) How did your life wither away? What happened? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I do have a mobile phone for communicating with my family and friends In 2017, ATT will be shutting down their GSM network in the USA in favour of 3G/4G. Macau is planning to shut down their GSM services in June 2015. I would hazard a guess that GSM will be shut down worldwide at some point, probably sooner in the USA. So eventually GTA02 and Calypo will be less useful for communication as they would need an external device or some method of device-to-device communication like the Serval Mesh. What is your plan for the transition away from GSM? http://mashable.com/2012/08/04/att-2g-wireless/ http://www.dsrt.gov.mo/por/News/special/PressRelease2gArrangementAndInvestigationRpt.html -- bye, pabs http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:PaulWise ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Please keep the discussions on this list on a positive note
Hi All, It's been a very long time since I've used my Freerunner as phone. I still have it and it still works of course. It would be nice if when I did get new emails in my inbox from this list they didn't rehash old arguments that detract from what OM originally stood for. I had a lot of fun using mine and I'd hate for anyone to research the hardware only to find the mailing list had devolved into a troll succeeding in reeling in a catch. I'm happy to hear about new developments without any drama thanks and I expect that anyone else that has a serious interest in the software or hardware will feel the same. B ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
Paul Wise pa...@bonedaddy.net wrote: In 2017, ATT will be shutting down their GSM network in the USA in favour of 3G/4G. If ATT likes losing customers, it's their choice. I use T-Mobile (satisfied customer since 2003 with just one short break before I entered the libre phone scene in 2011), and I saw somewhere that although they are reducing GSM/2G capacity, they will leave a tiny sliver around. A tiny sliver is all I need. Macau is planning to shut down their GSM services in June 2015. Yeah, I saw that news a while back and crossed Macau off the list of places I would ever want to live or do business in. I would hazard a guess that GSM will be shut down worldwide at some point, probably sooner in the USA. So eventually GTA02 and Calypo will be less useful for communication as they would need an external device or some method of device-to-device communication like the Serval Mesh. What is your plan for the transition away from GSM? The plan is simple: if GSM service in my current neck of the woods gets shut down, move to some tiny island banana republic where getting a spectrum license to operate my own GSM cell just for my family's own use would be as simple and inexpensive as befriending/bribing the local drug czar who is the de facto owner of the island. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware that offers the four freedoms. OsmocomBB? No A fine project I have no doubt, but it's not aimed at producing firmware for an end-user phone. I believe it's fair to say it's a hacking/investigative tool, but I'm happy to be corrected by anyone that actually uses or works on it. I appreciated the information on the unlock cable that they provide:- http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/Hardware/SerialCable -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 15:38 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I wish you healing and wellness. Those will happen automatically as soon as I have a phone in my purse that runs my own firmware. Why is your wellness dependant on a phone? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
