RE: Shipping Specs for Freerunner (Was: Group Sales: U.S. Midwestarea)
What about the optional debug board? How does that affect these 10 packs and its savings? If you plan on getting a board and the phone does it still make sense to save on shipping for the phone but pay it for the board? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Ruscoe Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Shipping Specs for Freerunner (Was: Group Sales: U.S. Midwestarea) Thank you Kevin! That is really good news... So by setting up a Midwest group we're really just making freerunner friends near by! Well that sounds great. So I guess the best reason for a local 10 pack is being able to all meet and open up the box and not wait for it to be shipped again. Well I'm stoked! On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Paul Buede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are in Frederick, join our Maryland purchase group, I am 30 minutes from you. Kevin Dean wrote: Okay, so I just did some number crunching using the information Steve gave and honestly, there's no reason at all the 10-packs need to be broken up by region. It costs $14.40 to ship a 10-pack from Fremont, CA to Frederick, MD where I live (which is pretty close to across the country). $3,690 + $14.40 = 3704.4 delivered or $370.44 per phone before shipping. Here's the beautiful thing. Shipping a single unit (from a 10 pack) back, from Frederick, MD to Fremont, CA is $9.95 by UPS Ground which would bring the total cost per unit to $380.39. Assuming that Openmoko's Fremont shipping place is NOT getting a volume discount then the savings over a single unit would be $28.56 if shipped ACROSS COUNTRY both ways. For fun, I decided what it would cost to ship the unit from home to work (as might be done if buying regionally) in Alexandria, VA. The diffrerence in shipping is barely noticable, that a shipment of less than 60 miles makes it less than $2 cheaper. The point is, I horribly overestimated UPS shipping costs and there's actually quite a bit of savings from going in on a 10-pack. That said, I also discovered that doing regional purchases doesn't save much money over doing national purchases. Guys in groups falling short could easily pick up a small group across the country and cash in on the bulk savings. People picking up their phones (perhaps at a LUG meet) can even score an extra $8 to $10 savings over having it shipped. Neat. :) On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's quite useful, thanks! On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Tomas Di Domenico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is what you're looking for: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016379.html On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its on community for April ... Not sure I remember which thread. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you search the archives, Steve already gave us the specs so you could do this. Can you drop any more hints on where specifically to find this? I'm subscribed to all of the Openmoko lists except kernel-dev and even considering that I know it came from Steve, that's a lot of crap to wade through. Thanks! -- Steven Kurylo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Geoff Ruscoe Sigma Visions Computer Consulting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Geoff Ruscoe Sigma Visions Computer Consulting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:49 +, David Samblas Martinez wrote: No need to be Shakespeare here :) Wherefore art thou electrons? Thy battery desires to be revitalized. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
A. you have to have a mic. If it were a walkman then the 3.5 makes sense but this is a phone+. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:18 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Question about future devices (GTA03,04)
I too am interested in this HXD8 vs. GTA0x thing. Also, is the HXD8 open hardware too or closed to Dash only? Can I run Openmoko on it if I buy one? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sergey Volkov Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 5:44 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Question about future devices (GTA03,04) Hello, openmoko community. I have a question regarding future products of Openmoko. Wiki says http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA that GTA03 is actually HXD8, a car navigation system. This claim is based on a post by Michael Lauer, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/017061.html. But IMHO that inference is not obvious: Martin Bernreuther writes: looking at the Wiki, there're also speculations about another Neo-like device: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 This seems not to correspond to the GTA04. (Maybe HXD8==GTA03?) Is there a more complete roadmap about the Neo-Productline somewhere? And Michael Lauer replies: device: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 This cat is long out of the box. It's the Dash Express device. For me the actual question of GTA03 vs. GTA04 remains unanswered. Also, Michael Lauer recently posted http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/003020.html following on the openmoko-kernel list: I don't want to talk too much about future products, but I would vote against going away from NAND for 03 -- there's too many business risks. 03 is about evolution. 04 is revolution. This makes the issue completely unclear, esp. GTA03 part. AFAIK (my opinion stems from the discussion which took place in May on the hardware list) GTA04 is a brand new device based on a more advanced SoC. But it's very hard to find any info on 03. Could anybody unveil the GTA03 mystery? What are the hardware specs, will the shared-slow-videoRAM-bus issue be fixed (for me it's the main reason to wait for the next device)? Any comments from openmoko employees are especially welcome ! (: PS don't kick me too hard, it's my first post to this list (; ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Ordering Free-for-all?
...And with the delays on the list the email will arrive about the time it sells out. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:54 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Ordering Free-for-all? And note that those will have zero impact on your chance of getting a Neo. Essentially, if you want a Neo, make sure you check your email often. I'm assuming the announcement will go to the announcement list... -Steven On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 3:26 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see buyers interest list http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List and group sales http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: The next shipment
Yes, but notice none use 900, so the 850 is better for the US since the other 2 bands are included in both versions. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jayesh Salvi Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:24 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: The next shipment Glad that I read this post sooner. Looks like very few providers (even in US) use GSM 850. http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml Jayesh On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh Soo the sale off 900 havent started yet [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Phones are not sold out. They haven't started to ship 900 yet. It's just a little confusing message. On 7/3/08, Alexander Frøyseth mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey. I see on the moko store that teh 900GSM is sold out. When are it going to be refilled? Alexander Frøyseth ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: What's a Webshop re-open gifts?
Well according to a message earlier here, the nice stylus is being used up before they move to a plastic one so I would think the re-open gift is stuff that isn't part of the actual $399 price and is a gift until they are gone. I would assume they'd be included in the 10 packs as well. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Pax Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:20 AM To: Openmoko Community Subject: What's a Webshop re-open gifts? The web shot states, Webshop re-open gifts: 512MB microSD, Laser stylus pen. What does that mean and will the ten packs be getting this stuff? -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: freerunner shipment confirmation?
I went through the exact same process..the 500 error is because Chase blocks the transaction. If you call the number on the back of your card they will open the transaction and then it will go through.I doubt your order has gone through so you won't get a confirmation.that chase email confirmation is separate.I got it before calling Chase and removing the block due to abnormal activity. -Robert From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jayesh Salvi Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 5:20 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: freerunner shipment confirmation? Hi, I bought freerunner few hours ago from the online shop. The transaction went through after at least 3 different redirections for payment processing. AFAIR, in step 1 they took my shipping information; in step 2 they directed me to some Taiwanese site for credit card information; and I believe the 3rd step was my credit card specific which did some kind of verification for my Chase Visa credit card. At the end of 3rd step I got some error and couldn't proceed or go back from there. I however received an email confirmation for that 3rd step from Visa. What concerns me is, I did not get any confirmation email that OpenMoko has received my order successfully. I know the shipment hasn't started yet and the shipment notification may come sometime later. But should I be getting any confirmation/receipt of transaction from OpenMoko or from the third party site that processed my order? It has been couple of hours now. Has anyone else received confirmation/receipt by email while placing the order (for single unit)? Thanks, Jayesh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Reason for GPS problems found!
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:29 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: thomasg Subject: Re: Reason for GPS problems found! Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb thomasg: Hi ppl, I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone should know: *sbeh*, one of the people in #neo1973-germany IRC-channel found the reason for the GPS problems. The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if it's mounted or in use, it just has to sit in the socket. The TTFF went from no fix at all to TTFF 120 seconds indoor(!!!), and about 40 seconds outdoor. Two other people could verify this with about the same results. We'll do more tests later, but for now we surely know what's causing the problem (and it seems to be a EMC problem). First results show at the same devices, even outdoor, that there is no fix in over 400 seconds with SD card, the signal seems to be at least 10 to 20 dB worse (so bad, that most satellites don't even appear). Testresults from other people appreciated. So we can assume this is pretty confirmed by quite some reports now. Thanks to community for the awesome help on this! Special thanks to *sbeh* for finding this. Please mail me directly ;- )!! We did quite some tests on this as fast as we could (and I never assumed we could be *that* fast), and it seems we found the root cause of the problem. ALL THIS IS PRELIMINARY INFO! Due to further tests to confirm. Just to let you all know we're on it, and please stop thinking about shielding the SDcard with tin foil or relocating internal gps-antenna. It won't probably help. The good news: *IF* all pans out, there's (or soon will be) a new kernel at Andy branch that stops SD-card clock when SDcard is idle. We hope this will almost cure the problem, at least reduce it to sth like you can't GPS while watching video from SD or the like (hope you can cope with that ;). We're about to verify a hw-fix so you could even watch video and still have GPS positioning during that. Please stay tuned and be patient, we'll come up with news *really soon*. And *please* don't try weird reworks and maybe break your FR by doing so ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) cheers jOERG Thanks for all this fast testing and great work. I was worried when there was silence. I hope for both a hardware and software fix, because if the solution is just a patch to turn off the SD while getting a fix, it may work but I feel that I have inferior hardware...even if it's on a psychological level only. With truly fixing the root cause of the interference via hardware then I know that even if the GPS signal gets faint in a condo canyon or tunnel the SD card won't hinder GPS operation. That way when I take the FR into the Houston tunnels [1] I won't be cursing the SD card when it's really the impossible chance of getting a signal in the basement of a skyscraper of downtown Houston. ;-) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Downtown_Tunnel_System -Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Reason for GPS problems found!
Joerg is right. Most of the comments, especially lately are a bit over the line. I understood where people were coming from a few days ago when the only response I saw regarding the GPS was the PDF showing good results implying that the problem was not duplicated by the people who need to see it. Today, however, with the root cause found and Joerg's many emails everyone should just wait for the solution. I didn't get in on the 1973, but bought the FR based on the many good things I saw with the openness of the hardware, software, and company. I bought the FR knowing that when you adopt anything in the early stages you may have to ride a few uncomfortable waves. Based on what I've seen, I have confidence that they will solve this problem and many others. Just think, Microsoft's Xbox 360 had a pretty bad HW issue with its heatsink and early adopters of that gaming system had lots of issues. Stuff happens. Joerg and all at Openmoko, thanks for working on this and don't let the negative comments get to you...most of us silently applaud your work. -Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:03 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Jay Vaughan; Jonathan Spooner Subject: Re: Reason for GPS problems found! Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Jay Vaughan: You ever bought a piece of HW you were guaranteed there is *definitively* no hardware bug in it? None, or you get a billion$? c'mon! Ever heard of Consumers rights? Lemon Laws? You can't sell hardware that you know has bugs in it, legally, in many places around the world. Ever thought about I might feel personally offended by you publically assuming I sell hw I *know* or even have suspect there is a HW-bug in it. Ever heard of laws about this? Perhaps those complaining are those who can least afford to blow $399. That's why I say I don't like those people. They are your customers. This is an open source project, people have a chance to communicate. And I have this chance too. I just say I don't like those people... I'm not obliged to like them. They never noticed the bug, and when we are about to discuss it and to offer a solution they start whining. OOOh, the BAD bug. If only I never had bought... Instead of plain asking what we're going to do to MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY again. (what we are already about to do!) Sure will be nice when its done, but for now, we do need to keep talking about the issue, and the point needs to be made that this *is* a serious issue for many people, if it doesn't get resolved in a fashion that makes sense. I'm already miffed about the Glamo/SD issue - for me, Glamo was one of the great things about Freerunner on 'paper', and now its not so useful after all. I would be really turned off if the same thing happened to GPS. So, yes, please tune us into the fix when you've got one. But in the meantime, no need to get upset because your customers are communicating with each other.. Did you consider the public image that's being created by a statement like Ah well, this seems not to work. So the brick is useless for me. Damn the day I bought it This statement is offending and deprecating on all the people that are actually about to fix the issue that's so bitterly complained about. And it's an implicit lie as there's no problem we resigned on to solve it and put the device to use for the complaining customer. But honestly, I don't like to continue this debate, and I actually don't have the time to. Have some bugs to fix, U know ;-) Appreciate our efforts or not. ETX jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Reason for GPS problems found!
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugo Mills Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:34 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Reason for GPS problems found! On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 04:50:50PM -0500, Robert Horton wrote: Thanks for all this fast testing and great work. I was worried when there was silence. I suspect that a large chunk of the silence was down to the fact that the OpenMoko people are in California, so they wouldn't have got to work until 6pm EST... Add in some lead time for coffee, doughnuts, reading the masses of emails from this list and others, filtering the reports into something sane, and I think they've done pretty damn well to get a plausible fix out of the door inside a day. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- I am but mad north-north-west: when the wind is southerly, I --- know a hawk from a handsaw. No doubt. I meant over the past week...watching the hundreds of emails without Openmoko reproducing the problem...and that's what was worrying me. Not so much the silence, but that as there was no root cause yet or acknowledgement of the problem. I have nothing but good things to say about what they've done. I'll be getting my FR tomorrow and to think that a solution might be presented before I even get it in my hand is amazing. -Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Information about mailinglist merge
Use the link at the bottom of any of the emails. Put in your email address and hit the unsubscribe or edit options button. I assume you can take it from there. -Robert From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Lefkowitz Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Maximilian Bauer; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Information about mailinglist merge Hey, I like the merged list, but I want to have it as a digest. I've been added but don't know my password. How do I change from single emails to digest form? Marty Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me add a bit more here...Tony Tu will be moderating this support list and helping to organizing a knowledge base out of everyone's questions / support issues. He will explain more shortly... Please try your best to keep this list on topic. It's for support for existing device owners. Not questions about how the device or software functions. Hopefully this will help us react faster to one another. Thanks! Yes, i will stay tune on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list if device owner have hardware/software issues, and direct problem/bugs for real hardware/software/sales people for detail support. For hardware performance issue (like GPS TTFF), and general hardware quality issues, please also post on [EMAIL PROTECTED] We don't have explicit support procedure yet, I will keep update the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Support page and maybe another http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_%28GTA02%29_FAQ later. Thanks, Tony Tu (Neng-Yu Tu) ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: SIM recommendation pls
I purchased the T-Mobile SIM Card Activation Kit from the T-Mobile website (its under Prepaid Phones) last week (costs $6.99) and put it in my phone today and it works fine. Registered on the network and I made a call to customer service. I haven't activated any minutes on the card yet so that's as far as I've tested, but so far so good. Card was used in Houston, TX. -Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Monson Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:01 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: SIM recommendation pls I know there is a list of SIMS for use w/ the Neo GTA02 on the site... But can someone recommend a SIM that they have not had any issues with and currently use ATT or preferably T-Mobile as a carrier in the states? cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Openmoko on Design
/me stands and applauds -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Moss-Pultz Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Openmoko on Design Dear Community snip -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
