[Community-Discuss] 2019 Board Elections: Fix against having sole candidates WAS Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Sylvain BAYA]

Hi all,

Comments inline, please.

Le 7/4/2019 à 10:49 PM, Noah a écrit :
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, 00:31 Sylvain BAYA,  > wrote:
>
>
> Is there a particular, written, ethic to avoid unwanted situations ?
>
>
>
> There are existing guidelines and bylaws.


Thanks Noah, i mean particulary a rule which could help to fairly
address the new "issue"
raised by some ones onlist.

...i went through this document [1] and i see that only the section 6
provides information
about what can be called election campaign (so, to be added ?).


> We have had situations where two or more candidates on a slate were
> rejected in past elections rendering the seat empty with the board
> going on appointing volunteers to fill the space.
>
> We recently had cases of one/solo candidate and they got elected. If
> they were to be rejected, the bylaws empower the board to again
> appoint or the incumbent continue serving but only if they were not
> candidates for reelection.

Yes, i'm already aware of these cases.

> How this part of the elections process can be also improved ?
>
> Nomcom guidelines could perhaps allow for a minimum of three candidates.

...possible way to go, but my question was a bit off-topic :-/

I think, there is some need to somewhat clearly define how candidates
should organize
their elections campaign. Something like an election campaign ethical
guidelines :-/

I went, also, through this Nomcom guidelines [2] then i have seen no
such a provision.
If the community agrees with the idea, the BoD could add some specific
guidelines,
about election campaign ethic, in section 6 of the BoD Election Process
and Guidelines [1].

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[1]: Board of Directors (BoD) Election Process and Guidelines (20181126)


[2]: AFRINIC Guidelines for ad hocNomCom for Board seat 2 election,May 2018



Shalom,

--sb.


>
> Noah
>
>
>
> Thanks & Shalom,
> --sb.
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Badru Ntege]

Jordi

Curious to know the end in mind with your question??   Please elucidate

BN


From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
Reply-To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 
Date: Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 12:11 PM
To: Ahmed Fadl , "Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" 

Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Hi Ahmen,

I mean before getting the email advertisings the candidates, have you 
personally provided your email to Wafa?

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet



El 4/7/19 10:06, "Ahmed Fadl" 
mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>> escribió:

Hi Jordi
Already my mail provided for all community members
Thank you


From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es]
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:00 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl ; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Hi Ahmed,

Can you confirm if you have provided your email to Wafa and if that’s the case, 
if it was for discussing about candidates?

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet



El 4/7/19 9:32, "Ahmed Fadl" 
mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>> escribió:

Thank you Sami for your introduction
Let me also introduce myself
My name is Ahmed Fadl, I’m working in healthcare nonprofit organization called 
children cancer hospital Egypt (57357), it is curing our patients with free of 
charge, my role is healthcare applications director.
Our hospital is one of the biggest hospital in the world in this 
specializations.
Also I’m responsible for the IP pools of our organization so I joined Afrinic 
community.
My point from my mail is we have to know the plan and strategy for every person 
before we vote for them.
I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I don’t know
The characteristics of the board members should include diversification because 
we need all Africa regions to take all benefits and increase all regions 
knowledge and skills.
This is what I mean by my mail.
Finally welcome everyone has good plan for developing my country and all 
African countries.
Also all respect for community members.
Thank you


From: Sami Salih [mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>>; Ahmed Fadl 
mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>>
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa 
Dahmani mailto:wafatn7...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Salam

I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows 
who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !
Looking for your positive continuous engagement.

BR

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa 
Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Dear Ahmed

First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am 
seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage 
in various discussions as a member of the community now.

So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to 
the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in 
general.

Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of 
AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC 
ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP 
association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the 
AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations 
because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is 
from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.

I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this 
community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use 
my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of 
the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have 
been used by some members of this community to attack my personal character, 
sometime as far as going after my employment just because of my personal views 
on various matters pertaining the African Internet Community. What I am trying 
to say is that, Wafa as a community member, just like me, so often speaks on 
her own personal capacity and I believe she has since clarified this to you and 
the community.

Therefore, I doubt its "bias"as you put it .. and my view of that email 
from her to you is basically an elections campaign for a candidate and 
candidates of her choice and in the end, her efforts seems to have paid off as 
some of the candidate she was supporting for the Northern Africa seat Dr.Habib 
ended up getting the highest votes ever of 

Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

[Brice ABBA]

Dear Azekiel

> Can you please provide us the list of all the mentors used during the
> last Afrinic meeting?

We don't have a list of mentors we only have one mentor per program and
for AFRINIC30 the mentor was Miss Afi EDOH


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Re: [Community-Discuss] 2019 Board Elections: Fix against having sole candidates WAS Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Noah]

On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, 00:31 Sylvain BAYA,  wrote:

>
> Is there a particular, written, ethic to avoid unwanted situations ?
>


There are existing guidelines and bylaws.

We have had situations where two or more candidates on a slate were
rejected in past elections rendering the seat empty with the board going on
appointing volunteers to fill the space.

We recently had cases of one/solo candidate and they got elected. If they
were to be rejected, the bylaws empower the board to again appoint or the
incumbent continue serving but only if they were not candidates for
reelection.



> How this part of the elections process can be also improved ?
>

Nomcom guidelines could perhaps allow for a minimum of three candidates.

Noah



> Thanks & Shalom,
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[Community-Discuss] 2019 Board Elections: Fix against having sole candidates WAS Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Sylvain BAYA]

{perhaps a bit off-topic :-/}

Hi all,

Please see below (inline)...

Le mercredi 3 juillet 2019, Sunday Folayan mailto:sfola...@gmail.com>> a écrit :

Hello Ahmed Fadl and the community,

Soliciting for votes is not really a problem, indeed if the proposed
candidates have strengths that will be of use to the Board, AfriNIC
Ltd and the community at large, their promoters and campaign team
can work hard at members buy-in for their proposed candidates
without running other candidates down.


Sunday (or any other participant), how the electoral campaign is
organised at AFRINIC ?

Is there a particular, written, ethic to avoid unwanted situations ?

How this part of the elections process can be also improved ?

Thanks & Shalom,
--sb.
 

In this case, what I find disturbing are:

1. That there is an undocumented strategy

2. That the fielding of sole candidates by NOMCOM was part of that
undocumented strategy.

3. That other strategies may probably have been deployed in the past.

My take on all the issues are that:

For 1. ... "Buyers Beware". Enough said.

For 2, ... we need to fix that, and fix it as soon as possible.

I propose the following fixes:

a) NOMCOM should not only present volunteers, it should seek
qualified and experienced candidates who will consent to serving on
the Board.

b) Those who will nominate candidates must seek the concurrence of
the candidates before nominating, to eliminate the step of seeking
the consent of the candidates after nominations.

c) Where there is only one candidate after all said and done, the
members should be able to reject such a candidate at the Ballot

d) Where candidates are rejected, the incumbent should serve for a
maximum of 90 more days, within which an online election should be
conducted to fill the vacant seats

Do we need to change the bylaws? I don't think so. The proposed fix
can go into the AfriNIC election guideline, as allowed by the
existing bylaw. It should be shared with the members and the
community early, and approved promptly towards the next election.

For item 3, ... Perhaps it is too early to comment. Let us grab some
pop-corn and stayed tuned to this movie channel.

Sunday.

[...]

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General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
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Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Letter of Appointment for Hago Dafalla

[Daniel Yakmut via Community-Discuss]

Congratulations, Hago.

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 5:06 PM Hago Dafalla via RPD  wrote:

> Dear Friends
>
> I have been Appointment as a Regional Director for East Africa, for The
> African ICT Foundation. Please find the attached Letter of Appointment for
> your consideration. Attached is a press release for  engagement.
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

[94cm4n .]

ople for and five people against might not be rough
> >> >>> consensus.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Section 7
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be
> >> >>> rough consensus
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My African fellows,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process
> >> >>> is legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting  was
> >> >>> useful to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand
> >> >>> what is going on and what Africa needs...  I hope you?ve made
> >> >>> your minds and  now able to speak on your personal  capacity..
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The real education package  is as below:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> =
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Proposal to establish AFRINIC
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> IANA report  on AFRINIC (Accreditation)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf
> >> >>>
> >> >>> AFRINIC constitution
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Registration Service  Agreement
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa
> >> >>>
> >> >>> AFRINIC policy manual
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://afrinic.net/policy/manual
> >> >>>
> >> >>> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre
> >> >>>
> >> >>> AFRINIC PDP
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Rough Consensus
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282
> >> >>>
> >> >>> AFRINIC current policy proposals
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals
> >> >>>
> >> >>> RiRs PDPs
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/
> >> >>>
> >> >>> RIR comparative  policy overview
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ==
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Come build African Internet by Africans.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation,
> >> >>> afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of
> >> >>> IPv4 is long established and discussed many times on this list. I
> >> >>> hope the fellows would find these discussions in the archives.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I call the attention of the board on the  repetitive attempts of
> >> >>> this resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid
> >> >>> intentions...  the provisions of the bylaws and RSA must
> >> >>> carefully be applied to recall members to acceptable code of
> >> >>> conduct.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet
> >> >>> community must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy
> >> >>> development process and operations.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Wafa ___
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> >> >>> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
> >> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> VIVIEN
> >> >> LARUS CLOUD SERVICE LIMITED
> >> >> p:+852 29888918
> >> >> f:+852 29888368
> >> >> e:a@laruscloudservice.net
> >> >> w:laruscloudservice.net/ [1]
> >> >> a:B5,11/F,TML Tower,No.3 Hoi Shing Road,Tsuen Wan,HKSAR
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> > Links:
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> >>
> >> b
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

[Lydia Akiriza]

So this caught my attention:-)

So Noah asked:
"A quick one Anne-vivien Paris if you dont mind.

I am curious to know if you have supported similar activities and events in
other RIR other than AfriNIC"

And Anne's response

"(1) Larus Foundation sponsors events in different regions in addition to
those in Africa. For example, very recently we have sponsored a few
candidates of different ethics to attend ICANN in Morocco. You can find the
list of events we sponsor in the coming future on our website :
https://www.larusfoundation.org/about-the-fellowship/ (simply click the
"apply now" and you will find a list of events)."

I believe Noah's question was have you sponsored any events other than
those in Africa? Interestingly the ONLY example you give is still in
Africa:-)

Last i checked Morocco is  in North Africa:-) And you proceed to tell us
about your future plans which i would hate to believe will now be aimed at
ensuring this question isn't asked again:-) well thanks for your
support...:-)

I should follow to build my opinion on this but this just didnt nail it for
me.

Blessings ya'll

On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 14:33 Anne-vivien Paris, 
wrote:

> Dear Noah,
>
> Thank you for your interest in the Foundation. Please let me clarify:
>
> (1) Larus Foundation sponsors events in different regions in addition to
> those in Africa. For example, very recently we have sponsored a few
> candidates of different ethics to attend ICANN in Morocco. You can find the
> list of events we sponsor in the coming future on our website :
> https://www.larusfoundation.org/about-the-fellowship/ (simply click the
> "apply now" and you will find a list of events).
>
> (2) Regarding your doubt on our 5th FAQ, let me explain that we do not
> target any particualr parties/regions. Our 5th FAQ states that "I am from
> Africa but I would really like ot attend RIR meetings outside Africa. Will
> that be possible?". Africa is randomly selected; you can indeed understand
> it is equivalent to "If I am from Asia can I attend meetings outside Asia".
> We appreciate you pointing this out - indeed the statement allows room for
> overead. However, I think if you take the extra time to read the answer,
> things will be clarified - we state explicitly that the Internet is
> borderless and participation of Internet governance shall not be restricted
> by geographical factors. Let me make it clear that this applies to all
> continents in the world.
>
> We thank you for the questions you raised which allows us to clarify
> things. My apologies for the wrong name used in the education package - it
> was a careless mistake. We will update it accordingly.
>
> Indeed, the community's feedback on us help the Foundation better itself
> and we appreciate that.
>
> Vivien
> *Vivien PARIS*
> *Larus FOUNDATION*
> p:+44 7746 416450
> w: www.larusfoundation.org
> a:B5,11/F,TML Tower,No.3 Hoi Shing Road,Tsuen Wan,HKSAR
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 03:43, Noah  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 21:37 Ousmane M. TESSA,  wrote:
>>
>>> Huumm! Noah.
>>> Better ask difference between "sponsorship to educate newcomers" or
>>> lobbying to push specific agenda in Africa.
>>> Elsewhere, the fear of Justice will deter most of people to even think
>>> about this trick.
>>>
>>
>> Tessa
>>
>> While I wait for Viven response of their activity beyond Afrinic service
>> region...
>>
>> I have had to go to the foundation website and the 5th faq question
>> specifically targets folks from Africa how attractive is that.!
>>
>> Have we become this vulnerable?
>>
>> https://www.larusfoundation.org/faq/
>>
>> Noah
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss]

Thanks a lot for your response Ahmed!

 

I think is key to identify the source of the emails and to make sure that they 
haven’t been provided explicitly by the owners.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 4/7/19 10:25, "Ahmed Fadl"  escribió:

 

No 

 

 

Ahmed Fadl  |​  Healthcare Applications DirectorP: +201229889806   |  EXT: 6236 
  |   E: ahmed.f...@57357.org 
​ 
The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and 
confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) 
named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified 
that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this 
communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original 
message

 

 

From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es] 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:09 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl ; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

 

Hi Ahmen,

 

I mean before getting the email advertisings the candidates, have you 
personally provided your email to Wafa?

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 4/7/19 10:06, "Ahmed Fadl"  escribió:

 

Hi Jordi 

Already my mail provided for all community members

Thank you 

 

 

From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es] 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:00 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl ; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

 

Hi Ahmed,

 

Can you confirm if you have provided your email to Wafa and if that’s the case, 
if it was for discussing about candidates?

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 4/7/19 9:32, "Ahmed Fadl"  escribió:

 

Thank you Sami for your introduction

Let me also introduce myself 

My name is Ahmed Fadl, I’m working in healthcare nonprofit organization called 
children cancer hospital Egypt (57357), it is curing our patients with free of 
charge, my role is healthcare applications director.

Our hospital is one of the biggest hospital in the world in this 
specializations.

Also I’m responsible for the IP pools of our organization so I joined Afrinic 
community.

My point from my mail is we have to know the plan and strategy for every person 
before we vote for them.

I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I don’t know 

The characteristics of the board members should include diversification because 
we need all Africa regions to take all benefits and increase all regions 
knowledge and skills.

This is what I mean by my mail.

Finally welcome everyone has good plan for developing my country and all 
African countries.

Also all respect for community members.

Thank you 

 

 

From: Sami Salih [mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Noah ; Ahmed Fadl 
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

 

Salam

 

I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows 
who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !

Looking for your positive continuous engagement.

 

BR 

 

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355 

From: Noah 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections 

 

Dear Ahmed

 

First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am 
seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage 
in various discussions as a member of the community now.

 

So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to 
the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in 
general.

 

Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of 
AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC 
ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP 
association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the 
AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations 
because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is 
from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.

 

I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this 
community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use 
my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of 
the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have 
been used by some members of this community to attack my personal character, 
sometime as far as going after my employment just because of my personal views 
on various matters pertaining the 

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Ahmed Fadl]

Thanks for clarification


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From: Sami Salih [mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 9:47 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl ; Noah 
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Shokran Ahmed for showing up, welcome to AFRINIC community.

you said: I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I 
don’t know

If I understand your sentence correctly, I have to tell you that AFRINIC board 
is 9 seats (6 Regional, 2 Non-Regional, and the CEO).
for more details please visit AFRINIC Governance portal
https://afrinic.net/board

hope this help clarifying the issue.

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Ahmed Fadl mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:28 AM
To: Sami Salih; Noah
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa 
Dahmani
Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections


Thank you Sami for your introduction

Let me also introduce myself

My name is Ahmed Fadl, I’m working in healthcare nonprofit organization called 
children cancer hospital Egypt (57357), it is curing our patients with free of 
charge, my role is healthcare applications director.

Our hospital is one of the biggest hospital in the world in this 
specializations.

Also I’m responsible for the IP pools of our organization so I joined Afrinic 
community.

My point from my mail is we have to know the plan and strategy for every person 
before we vote for them.

I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I don’t know

The characteristics of the board members should include diversification because 
we need all Africa regions to take all benefits and increase all regions 
knowledge and skills.

This is what I mean by my mail.

Finally welcome everyone has good plan for developing my country and all 
African countries.

Also all respect for community members.

Thank you





From: Sami Salih [mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>>; Ahmed Fadl 
mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>>
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa 
Dahmani mailto:wafatn7...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



Salam



I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows 
who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !

Looking for your positive continuous engagement.



BR



Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355



From: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa 
Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



Dear Ahmed



First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am 
seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage 
in various discussions as a member of the community now.



So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to 
the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in 
general.



Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of 
AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC 
ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP 
association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the 
AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations 
because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is 
from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.



I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this 
community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use 
my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of 
the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have 
been used by 

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Andrew Alston]

Indeed  I was attempting to avoid lobbying from an unbiased perspective and 
encouraging people to read and make up their own minds

*grin*

Andrew


From: Frank Habicht 
Sent: Thursday, 4 July 2019 11:13
To: community-discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Hi,

I don't want to speak for Andrew, but I think these 2 links can be helpful:
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=apparent+authority
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_authority

I think Andrew was encouraging own initiative of the reader.

Regards,
Frank


On 04/07/2019 10:51, Sami Salih wrote:
> Andrew
> Just a reminder, Please share the link
>
> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*
> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
> Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
> President of SDv6TF
> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
> 
> *From:* Sami Salih mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com>>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:54 PM
> *To:* Andrew Alston; Sander Steffann
> *Cc:* Sander Steffann; 
> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; Ahmed 
> Fadl; wafa
> Dahmani
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections
>
> Could you please share the link
>
> Get Outlook for Android >
>
> 
> *From:* Andrew Alston 
> mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:52:10 PM
> *To:* Sami Salih; Sander Steffann
> *Cc:* Sander Steffann; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani;
> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
> *Subject:* RE: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections
>
>
> Sami,
>
>
>
> Do yourself a favor – and go and read up on the doctrine of apparent
> authority.
>
>
>
> It makes for some fascinating reading – particularly the case law in
> various jurisdictions about email domains and email signatures.  I’ll
> let you draw your own conclusions from what you find, keeping in mind
> I’m no lawyer – but I do have an interest in this stuff – and reading
> material was… very interesting 
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*Sami Salih mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com>>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:33
> *To:* Sander Steffann mailto:san...@steffann.nl>>
> *Cc:* Sander Steffann mailto:san...@retevia.net>>; Andrew 
> Alston
> mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>>; 
> Ahmed Fadl mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>>;
> wafa Dahmani mailto:wafatn7...@gmail.com>>; 
> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections
>
>
>
> So wafa use her public email too :-)
>
> Get Outlook for Android >
>
>
>
> 
>
> *From:*Sander Steffann  >>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:27:55 PM
> *To:* Sami Salih
> *Cc:* Sander Steffann; Andrew Alston; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani;
> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections
>
>
>
> Hi Sami,
>
>> I'm using a public email (outlook.com) not my official one
> (sustech.sd), however my signature is MY signature I use it to show the
> people the ground where I stand when I say something.
>
> Exactly.
> Sander
>
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Ahmed Fadl]

No


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ahmed.f...@57357.org

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From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es]
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:09 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl ; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Hi Ahmen,

I mean before getting the email advertisings the candidates, have you 
personally provided your email to Wafa?

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet



El 4/7/19 10:06, "Ahmed Fadl" 
mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>> escribió:

Hi Jordi
Already my mail provided for all community members
Thank you


From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es]
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:00 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>>; 
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Hi Ahmed,

Can you confirm if you have provided your email to Wafa and if that’s the case, 
if it was for discussing about candidates?

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet



El 4/7/19 9:32, "Ahmed Fadl" 
mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>> escribió:

Thank you Sami for your introduction
Let me also introduce myself
My name is Ahmed Fadl, I’m working in healthcare nonprofit organization called 
children cancer hospital Egypt (57357), it is curing our patients with free of 
charge, my role is healthcare applications director.
Our hospital is one of the biggest hospital in the world in this 
specializations.
Also I’m responsible for the IP pools of our organization so I joined Afrinic 
community.
My point from my mail is we have to know the plan and strategy for every person 
before we vote for them.
I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I don’t know
The characteristics of the board members should include diversification because 
we need all Africa regions to take all benefits and increase all regions 
knowledge and skills.
This is what I mean by my mail.
Finally welcome everyone has good plan for developing my country and all 
African countries.
Also all respect for community members.
Thank you


From: Sami Salih [mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>>; Ahmed Fadl 
mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>>
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa 
Dahmani mailto:wafatn7...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Salam

I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows 
who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !
Looking for your positive continuous engagement.

BR

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa 
Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Dear Ahmed

First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am 
seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage 
in various discussions as a member of the community now.

So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to 
the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in 
general.

Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of 
AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC 
ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP 
association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the 
AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations 
because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is 
from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.

I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this 
community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use 
my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of 
the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have 
been used by some members of this community to attack my personal character, 
sometime as far as going after 

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Frank Habicht]

Hi,

I don't want to speak for Andrew, but I think these 2 links can be helpful:
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=apparent+authority
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_authority

I think Andrew was encouraging own initiative of the reader.

Regards,
Frank


On 04/07/2019 10:51, Sami Salih wrote:
> Andrew 
> Just a reminder, Please share the link
> 
> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*
> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
> Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
> President of SDv6TF
> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
> 
> *From:* Sami Salih 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:54 PM
> *To:* Andrew Alston; Sander Steffann
> *Cc:* Sander Steffann; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; Ahmed Fadl; wafa
> Dahmani
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections
>  
> Could you please share the link
> 
> Get Outlook for Android 
> 
> 
> *From:* Andrew Alston 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:52:10 PM
> *To:* Sami Salih; Sander Steffann
> *Cc:* Sander Steffann; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani;
> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
> *Subject:* RE: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections
>  
> 
> Sami,
> 
>  
> 
> Do yourself a favor – and go and read up on the doctrine of apparent
> authority.
> 
>  
> 
> It makes for some fascinating reading – particularly the case law in
> various jurisdictions about email domains and email signatures.  I’ll
> let you draw your own conclusions from what you find, keeping in mind
> I’m no lawyer – but I do have an interest in this stuff – and reading
> material was… very interesting 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Andrew
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*Sami Salih 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:33
> *To:* Sander Steffann 
> *Cc:* Sander Steffann ; Andrew Alston
> ; Ahmed Fadl ;
> wafa Dahmani ; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections
> 
>  
> 
> So wafa use her public email too :-)
> 
> Get Outlook for Android 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> *From:*Sander Steffann mailto:san...@steffann.nl>>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:27:55 PM
> *To:* Sami Salih
> *Cc:* Sander Steffann; Andrew Alston; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani;
> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Sami,
> 
>> I'm using a public email (outlook.com) not my official one
> (sustech.sd), however my signature is MY signature I use it to show the
> people the ground where I stand when I say something.
> 
> Exactly.
> Sander
> 
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss]

Hi Ahmen,

 

I mean before getting the email advertisings the candidates, have you 
personally provided your email to Wafa?

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 4/7/19 10:06, "Ahmed Fadl"  escribió:

 

Hi Jordi 

Already my mail provided for all community members

Thank you 

 

 

From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es] 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:00 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl ; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

 

Hi Ahmed,

 

Can you confirm if you have provided your email to Wafa and if that’s the case, 
if it was for discussing about candidates?

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 4/7/19 9:32, "Ahmed Fadl"  escribió:

 

Thank you Sami for your introduction

Let me also introduce myself 

My name is Ahmed Fadl, I’m working in healthcare nonprofit organization called 
children cancer hospital Egypt (57357), it is curing our patients with free of 
charge, my role is healthcare applications director.

Our hospital is one of the biggest hospital in the world in this 
specializations.

Also I’m responsible for the IP pools of our organization so I joined Afrinic 
community.

My point from my mail is we have to know the plan and strategy for every person 
before we vote for them.

I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I don’t know 

The characteristics of the board members should include diversification because 
we need all Africa regions to take all benefits and increase all regions 
knowledge and skills.

This is what I mean by my mail.

Finally welcome everyone has good plan for developing my country and all 
African countries.

Also all respect for community members.

Thank you 

 

 

From: Sami Salih [mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Noah ; Ahmed Fadl 
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

 

Salam

 

I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows 
who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !

Looking for your positive continuous engagement.

 

BR 

 

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355 

From: Noah 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections 

 

Dear Ahmed

 

First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am 
seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage 
in various discussions as a member of the community now.

 

So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to 
the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in 
general.

 

Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of 
AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC 
ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP 
association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the 
AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations 
because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is 
from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.

 

I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this 
community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use 
my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of 
the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have 
been used by some members of this community to attack my personal character, 
sometime as far as going after my employment just because of my personal views 
on various matters pertaining the African Internet Community. What I am trying 
to say is that, Wafa as a community member, just like me, so often speaks on 
her own personal capacity and I believe she has since clarified this to you and 
the community. 

 

Therefore, I doubt its "bias"as you put it .. and my view of that email 
from her to you is basically an elections campaign for a candidate and 
candidates of her choice and in the end, her efforts seems to have paid off as 
some of the candidate she was supporting for the Northern Africa seat Dr.Habib 
ended up getting the highest votes ever of all candidates in the entire board 
elections. I was on the ground in Kampala and Habib did well also in terms of 
campaigning, so did other candidates and I can understand why he was Wafa's 
choice and and her strategy for the Northern Africa candidate for board 
election did indeed work. That is what good mobilization in campaigns does.

 

In fact just in the same elections, there was a very well coordinated campaign 
that involved among other things, mudslinging of a specific 

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Ahmed Fadl]

Hi Jordi
Already my mail provided for all community members
Thank you


From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es]
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:00 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl ; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Hi Ahmed,

Can you confirm if you have provided your email to Wafa and if that’s the case, 
if it was for discussing about candidates?

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet



El 4/7/19 9:32, "Ahmed Fadl" 
mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>> escribió:

Thank you Sami for your introduction
Let me also introduce myself
My name is Ahmed Fadl, I’m working in healthcare nonprofit organization called 
children cancer hospital Egypt (57357), it is curing our patients with free of 
charge, my role is healthcare applications director.
Our hospital is one of the biggest hospital in the world in this 
specializations.
Also I’m responsible for the IP pools of our organization so I joined Afrinic 
community.
My point from my mail is we have to know the plan and strategy for every person 
before we vote for them.
I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I don’t know
The characteristics of the board members should include diversification because 
we need all Africa regions to take all benefits and increase all regions 
knowledge and skills.
This is what I mean by my mail.
Finally welcome everyone has good plan for developing my country and all 
African countries.
Also all respect for community members.
Thank you


From: Sami Salih [mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>>; Ahmed Fadl 
mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>>
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa 
Dahmani mailto:wafatn7...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Salam

I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows 
who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !
Looking for your positive continuous engagement.

BR

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa 
Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Dear Ahmed

First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am 
seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage 
in various discussions as a member of the community now.

So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to 
the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in 
general.

Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of 
AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC 
ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP 
association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the 
AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations 
because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is 
from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.

I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this 
community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use 
my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of 
the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have 
been used by some members of this community to attack my personal character, 
sometime as far as going after my employment just because of my personal views 
on various matters pertaining the African Internet Community. What I am trying 
to say is that, Wafa as a community member, just like me, so often speaks on 
her own personal capacity and I believe she has since clarified this to you and 
the community.

Therefore, I doubt its "bias"as you put it .. and my view of that email 
from her to you is basically an elections campaign for a candidate and 
candidates of her choice and in the end, her efforts seems to have paid off as 
some of the candidate she was supporting for the Northern Africa seat Dr.Habib 
ended up getting the highest votes ever of all candidates in the entire board 
elections. I was on the ground in Kampala and Habib did well also in terms of 
campaigning, so did other candidates and I can understand why he was Wafa's 
choice and and her strategy for the Northern Africa candidate for board 
election did indeed work. That is what good mobilization in campaigns does.

In fact just in the same elections, there was a very well coordinated campaign 
that involved among other things, mudslinging of a specific candidate by some 
members of the various constituencies 

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss]

Hi Ahmed,

 

Can you confirm if you have provided your email to Wafa and if that’s the case, 
if it was for discussing about candidates?

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 4/7/19 9:32, "Ahmed Fadl"  escribió:

 

Thank you Sami for your introduction

Let me also introduce myself 

My name is Ahmed Fadl, I’m working in healthcare nonprofit organization called 
children cancer hospital Egypt (57357), it is curing our patients with free of 
charge, my role is healthcare applications director.

Our hospital is one of the biggest hospital in the world in this 
specializations.

Also I’m responsible for the IP pools of our organization so I joined Afrinic 
community.

My point from my mail is we have to know the plan and strategy for every person 
before we vote for them.

I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I don’t know 

The characteristics of the board members should include diversification because 
we need all Africa regions to take all benefits and increase all regions 
knowledge and skills.

This is what I mean by my mail.

Finally welcome everyone has good plan for developing my country and all 
African countries.

Also all respect for community members.

Thank you 

 

 

From: Sami Salih [mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Noah ; Ahmed Fadl 
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

 

Salam

 

I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows 
who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !

Looking for your positive continuous engagement.

 

BR 

 

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355 

From: Noah 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections 

 

Dear Ahmed

 

First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am 
seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage 
in various discussions as a member of the community now.

 

So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to 
the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in 
general.

 

Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of 
AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC 
ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP 
association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the 
AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations 
because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is 
from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.

 

I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this 
community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use 
my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of 
the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have 
been used by some members of this community to attack my personal character, 
sometime as far as going after my employment just because of my personal views 
on various matters pertaining the African Internet Community. What I am trying 
to say is that, Wafa as a community member, just like me, so often speaks on 
her own personal capacity and I believe she has since clarified this to you and 
the community. 

 

Therefore, I doubt its "bias"as you put it .. and my view of that email 
from her to you is basically an elections campaign for a candidate and 
candidates of her choice and in the end, her efforts seems to have paid off as 
some of the candidate she was supporting for the Northern Africa seat Dr.Habib 
ended up getting the highest votes ever of all candidates in the entire board 
elections. I was on the ground in Kampala and Habib did well also in terms of 
campaigning, so did other candidates and I can understand why he was Wafa's 
choice and and her strategy for the Northern Africa candidate for board 
election did indeed work. That is what good mobilization in campaigns does.

 

In fact just in the same elections, there was a very well coordinated campaign 
that involved among other things, mudslinging of a specific candidate by some 
members of the various constituencies within the community and this also 
perfectly OK. Folks can go as far as using print media and sometime private 
lobbying through mailing lists and chat rooms. Its the nature of politicking 
and campaigns are tough and sometimes they get ugly, after all, not all 
candidates are supposed to be liked by the entire electorate yet politicking 
still goes on. This is basically pure politics 101 and its perfectly acceptable 
and normal and as they say, 

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Sami Salih]

Andrew
Just a reminder, Please share the link

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Sami Salih 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:54 PM
To: Andrew Alston; Sander Steffann
Cc: Sander Steffann; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Could you please share the link

Get Outlook for Android


From: Andrew Alston 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:52:10 PM
To: Sami Salih; Sander Steffann
Cc: Sander Steffann; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections


Sami,



Do yourself a favor – and go and read up on the doctrine of apparent authority.



It makes for some fascinating reading – particularly the case law in various 
jurisdictions about email domains and email signatures.  I’ll let you draw your 
own conclusions from what you find, keeping in mind I’m no lawyer – but I do 
have an interest in this stuff – and reading material was… very interesting ??



Thanks

Andrew







From: Sami Salih 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:33
To: Sander Steffann 
Cc: Sander Steffann ; Andrew Alston 
; Ahmed Fadl ; wafa 
Dahmani ; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



So wafa use her public email too :-)

Get Outlook for Android





From: Sander Steffann mailto:san...@steffann.nl>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:27:55 PM
To: Sami Salih
Cc: Sander Steffann; Andrew Alston; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; 
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



Hi Sami,

> I'm using a public email (outlook.com) not my official one (sustech.sd), 
> however my signature is MY signature I use it to show the people the ground 
> where I stand when I say something.

Exactly.
Sander
___
Community-Discuss mailing list
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Sami Salih]

Shokran Ahmed for showing up, welcome to AFRINIC community.

you said: I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I 
don’t know

If I understand your sentence correctly, I have to tell you that AFRINIC board 
is 9 seats (6 Regional, 2 Non-Regional, and the CEO).
for more details please visit AFRINIC Governance portal
https://afrinic.net/board

hope this help clarifying the issue.

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Ahmed Fadl 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:28 AM
To: Sami Salih; Noah
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani
Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections


Thank you Sami for your introduction

Let me also introduce myself

My name is Ahmed Fadl, I’m working in healthcare nonprofit organization called 
children cancer hospital Egypt (57357), it is curing our patients with free of 
charge, my role is healthcare applications director.

Our hospital is one of the biggest hospital in the world in this 
specializations.

Also I’m responsible for the IP pools of our organization so I joined Afrinic 
community.

My point from my mail is we have to know the plan and strategy for every person 
before we vote for them.

I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I don’t know

The characteristics of the board members should include diversification because 
we need all Africa regions to take all benefits and increase all regions 
knowledge and skills.

This is what I mean by my mail.

Finally welcome everyone has good plan for developing my country and all 
African countries.

Also all respect for community members.

Thank you





From: Sami Salih [mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Noah ; Ahmed Fadl 
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



Salam



I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows 
who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !

Looking for your positive continuous engagement.



BR



Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355



From: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa 
Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



Dear Ahmed



First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am 
seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage 
in various discussions as a member of the community now.



So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to 
the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in 
general.



Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of 
AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC 
ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP 
association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the 
AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations 
because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is 
from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.



I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this 
community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use 
my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of 
the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have 
been used by some members of this community to attack my personal character, 
sometime as far as going after my employment just because of my personal views 
on various matters pertaining the African Internet Community. What I am trying 
to say is that, Wafa as a community member, just like me, so often speaks on 
her own personal capacity and I believe she has since clarified this to you and 
the community.



Therefore, I doubt its "bias"as you put it .. and my view of that email 
from her to you is basically an elections campaign for a candidate and 
candidates of her choice and in the end, her efforts seems to have paid off as 
some of the candidate she was supporting for the Northern Africa seat Dr.Habib 
ended up getting the highest votes ever of all candidates in the entire board 
elections. I was on the ground in Kampala and Habib did well also in terms of 
campaigning, so did other candidates and I can understand why he was Wafa's 
choice and and her strategy for the Northern Africa candidate for board 
election did indeed work. That is what good mobilization in campaigns does.



In fact just in the same 

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Ahmed Fadl]

Thank you Sami for your introduction
Let me also introduce myself
My name is Ahmed Fadl, I'm working in healthcare nonprofit organization called 
children cancer hospital Egypt (57357), it is curing our patients with free of 
charge, my role is healthcare applications director.
Our hospital is one of the biggest hospital in the world in this 
specializations.
Also I'm responsible for the IP pools of our organization so I joined Afrinic 
community.
My point from my mail is we have to know the plan and strategy for every person 
before we vote for them.
I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I don't know
The characteristics of the board members should include diversification because 
we need all Africa regions to take all benefits and increase all regions 
knowledge and skills.
This is what I mean by my mail.
Finally welcome everyone has good plan for developing my country and all 
African countries.
Also all respect for community members.
Thank you


From: Sami Salih [mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Noah ; Ahmed Fadl 
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Salam

I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows 
who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !
Looking for your positive continuous engagement.

BR

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa 
Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Dear Ahmed

First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am 
seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage 
in various discussions as a member of the community now.

So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to 
the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in 
general.

Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of 
AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC 
ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP 
association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the 
AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations 
because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is 
from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.

I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this 
community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use 
my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of 
the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have 
been used by some members of this community to attack my personal character, 
sometime as far as going after my employment just because of my personal views 
on various matters pertaining the African Internet Community. What I am trying 
to say is that, Wafa as a community member, just like me, so often speaks on 
her own personal capacity and I believe she has since clarified this to you and 
the community.

Therefore, I doubt its "bias"as you put it .. and my view of that email 
from her to you is basically an elections campaign for a candidate and 
candidates of her choice and in the end, her efforts seems to have paid off as 
some of the candidate she was supporting for the Northern Africa seat Dr.Habib 
ended up getting the highest votes ever of all candidates in the entire board 
elections. I was on the ground in Kampala and Habib did well also in terms of 
campaigning, so did other candidates and I can understand why he was Wafa's 
choice and and her strategy for the Northern Africa candidate for board 
election did indeed work. That is what good mobilization in campaigns does.

In fact just in the same elections, there was a very well coordinated campaign 
that involved among other things, mudslinging of a specific candidate by some 
members of the various constituencies within the community and this also 
perfectly OK. Folks can go as far as using print media and sometime private 
lobbying through mailing lists and chat rooms. Its the nature of politicking 
and campaigns are tough and sometimes they get ugly, after all, not all 
candidates are supposed to be liked by the entire electorate yet politicking 
still goes on. This is basically pure politics 101 and its perfectly acceptable 
and normal and as they say, politics is part of daily life and so many of us in 
this community have been party to this and its nothing new.

I submit to you that, being a member of, say, the AfriNIC appeals 

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against Wafa Dahmani

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss]

Hi Arnaud,

 

I’m very happy that you send this email, because it addresses what I’m saying. 
Note that I was not aware of that before, but looks good to me (I look to the 
email on 6th of June), the other one is just congratulating about the results.

 

It is a public email, not private, even anyone can subscribe to that mailing 
list and look at the archives.
It is in the scope being a NOG, where all the participants may have a voice 
about how they want to drive Afrinic.
It is imploring for voting and is informing that there are two candidates from 
Nigeria and suggesting they are good candidates.
Dewole doesn’t mention anything about his position as co-chair, so it is an 
open and transparent (no confusion possible) message.
 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 4/7/19 9:08, "Arnaud AMELINA"  escribió:

 

Hi, community and PWG members

 

I noticed that lobbying for votes for afrinic BoD is being used to divert 
attention  from serious issue raised by WAFA.  Enough has been said, but  I 
wonder if I should condemn  Dewole, Afrinic pdp  cochair,  campaign  for board 
candidates, using national NOG  list and turning AFRINIC board election  to 
nationalism. (*l) 

let be serious, show maturity and address real issues.

 

 

(*) http://abuja.forum.org.ng/pipermail/ngnog-discuss/2019-June/005259.html

 

Arnaud

 

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 07:30 Andrew Alston  
wrote:

Badru,

Yet again – you have not read my emails.

I fully the support the right to lobby in public forms

I fully support the right of any individual to have their say

I fully support the right of any member to change the rules using due process 
as defined

I have said this, over and over again.  I have also been very blunt about the 
fact that yes, I have lobbied, and I make no apology for that because I believe 
that the right to lobby in the pursuit of ones goals, and I believe that 
essentially, elections are political processes and democratic in nature, and 
democracy doesn’t work without that aspect of it.

However, what I fundamentally disagree with – is misrepresentation of who we 
represent – something I have never done – and I fundamentally disagree with 
people who are in a directly conflicted position taking a stand which deepens 
that conflict, especially when the neutrality directly relates to things that 
affect this community.

I will quote from one of the emails I sent – which was to an email list 
containing many members:

I will quote from two separate emails that I have sent over the years to lobby 
in previous elections – these were sent to email lists that were not AfriNIC – 
they were not sent to individuals unsolicited – and there are many on this list 
who can attest to the accuracy of these emails.

Email 1:

I am not going to tell any of you how to vote – What I tell you above is my 
perspective, and yes, its biased towards what I have seen and how well I know 
the candidates.  What I will say however, is that it is absolutely critical 
that the South African members get online and vote – or show up at the meeting 
and vote – or send proxies – whichever – but have your voice heard.  As we move 
into a time when v4 is running out (AfriNIC is into its final /8), and when we 
move into an environment where so much is changing with that runout – and 
particularly when we have managed to turn an organization around – we need to 
ensure that we have strong candidates that represent the community and can keep 
the organization alive.  Because without AfriNIC – without a registry – we end 
up in trouble – and no one really wants the alternative scenarios.

So what I will ask is, look at the candidates, consider them not from a 
geo-political perspective, not from a linguistic perspective, but consider them 
on the merits and what they have achieved – and then vote as you feel.  Their 
CV’s are all online.

Email 2:

As such, for those of you who are opting to issue proxies and wish to issue 
proxies to myself or via myself, this is how I will be voting.  Those of you 
who are voting electronically, I encourage you when the slate comes out to 
study each and every candidate – but I am confident that what I have said above 
will ring true, and I ask every member of this list to get out there and use 
your vote, either for one of these candidates or otherwise one of the others 
when the slate comes out – but please, make sure you vote, either via proxy or 
via online or in person.  I cannot stress how many critical issues are going to 
come up in the next year or two, and without a strong and independent board we 
could face serious issues.

Both emails quote above are a matter of record for the world to see – and here 
is the major difference – a.) No where do I misrepresent who I am speaking for 
b.) I explicitly state – these are MY views, accept them or reject them, but – 
please vote – because its important to have your voice heard.  Had Wafa sent an 
email saying “Hi, I’m Wafa, and these are my specific views 

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against Wafa Dahmani

[Arnaud AMELINA]

Hi, community and PWG members

I noticed that lobbying for votes for afrinic BoD is being used to divert
attention  from serious issue raised by WAFA.  Enough has been said, but  I
wonder if I should condemn  Dewole, Afrinic pdp  cochair,  campaign  for
board candidates, using national NOG  list and turning AFRINIC board
election  to nationalism. (*l)
let be serious, show maturity and address real issues.


(*) http://abuja.forum.org.ng/pipermail/ngnog-discuss/2019-June/005259.html

Arnaud

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 07:30 Andrew Alston 
wrote:

> Badru,
>
> Yet again – you have not read my emails.
>
> *I fully the support the right to lobby in public forms*
>
> *I fully support the right of any individual to have their say*
>
> *I fully support the right of any member to change the rules using due
> process as defined*
>
> I have said this, over and over again.  I have also been very blunt about
> the fact that yes, I have lobbied, and I make no apology for that because I
> believe that the right to lobby in the pursuit of ones goals, and I believe
> that essentially, elections are political processes and democratic in
> nature, and democracy doesn’t work without that aspect of it.
>
> However, what I fundamentally disagree with – is misrepresentation of who
> we represent – something I have never done – and I fundamentally disagree
> with people who are in a directly conflicted position taking a stand which
> deepens that conflict, especially when the neutrality directly relates to
> things that affect this community.
>
> I will quote from one of the emails I sent – which was to an email list
> containing many members:
>
> I will quote from two separate emails that I have sent over the years to
> lobby in previous elections – these were sent to email lists that were not
> AfriNIC – they were not sent to individuals unsolicited – and there are
> many on this list who can attest to the accuracy of these emails.
>
> *Email 1:*
>
> *I am not going to tell any of you how to vote – What I tell you above is
> my perspective, and yes, its biased towards what I have seen and how well I
> know the candidates.  What I will say however, is that it is absolutely
> critical that the South African members get online and vote – or show up at
> the meeting and vote – or send proxies – whichever – but have your voice
> heard.  As we move into a time when v4 is running out (AfriNIC is into its
> final /8), and when we move into an environment where so much is changing
> with that runout – and particularly when we have managed to turn an
> organization around – we need to ensure that we have strong candidates that
> represent the community and can keep the organization alive.  Because
> without AfriNIC – without a registry – we end up in trouble – and no one
> really wants the alternative scenarios.*
>
> *So what I will ask is, look at the candidates, consider them not from a
> geo-political perspective, not from a linguistic perspective, but consider
> them on the merits and what they have achieved – and then vote as you
> feel.  Their CV’s are all online.*
>
> *Email 2:*
>
> *As such, for those of you who are opting to issue proxies and wish to
> issue proxies to myself or via myself, this is how I will be voting.  Those
> of you who are voting electronically, I encourage you when the slate comes
> out to study each and every candidate – but I am confident that what I have
> said above will ring true, and I ask every member of this list to get out
> there and use your vote, either for one of these candidates or otherwise
> one of the others when the slate comes out – but please, make sure you
> vote, either via proxy or via online or in person.  I cannot stress how
> many critical issues are going to come up in the next year or two, and
> without a strong and independent board we could face serious issues.*
>
> Both emails quote above are a matter of record for the world to see – and
> here is the major difference – a.) No where do I misrepresent who I am
> speaking for b.) I explicitly state – these are MY views, accept them or
> reject them, but – please vote – because its important to have your voice
> heard.  Had Wafa sent an email saying “Hi, I’m Wafa, and these are my
> specific views on each candidate, and this is why I will be voting the way
> that I am, and if you like these choices, feel free to vote with me, but if
> you don’t, still have your say in the way you see fit”, I would be here,
> backing her to the hilt – however, what I saw was a.) a misrepresentation
> by implication of who was represented and b.) a blatant display lacking of
> neutrality from the chair of the appeals committee – particularly in light
> of the PDP and the position of co-chair – and I believe that brings the
> integrity and neutrality of said appeals committee into question when it is
> critical that trust in that committee remains high, which is why I agree
> with Sander when he called for her to step down to maintain the integrity
> of