Re: [Community-Discuss] Message of Condolences to the family and friends of Mr. Serge Kabwika Ilunga

[Sami Salih]

It's a really big loss of a colleague, friend, and great contributor to our 
community.
My sincere condolences to his family.

Sami Salih

From: d...@darwincosta.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 5:29 PM
To: Community Discuss 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Message of Condolences to the family and 
friends of Mr. Serge Kabwika Ilunga

My sincere condolences to the entire family.

RIP Mr. Serge.

Best Regards,
Cumprimentos,
Darwin-.

On 23 Dec 2021, at 15:25, Arnaud AMELINA  wrote:


Ooooh Serge, mon cher frère, mon ami, mon compagnon de lutte, tu t'en es allé, 
en silence. Que l'Eternel t'accueille dans la félicité éternelle. Que ton âme 
repose dans l'éternelle paix. Que la terre te soit légère. Amen.

Arnaud.



Le jeu. 23 déc. 2021 à 12:25, Eddy Kayihura 
mailto:e...@afrinic.net>> a écrit :

Dear Colleagues,

It is with profound sadness that we have learnt about the untimely death of our 
Board Member, Mr Serge Kabwika Ilunga.

Mr Serge Kabwika Ilunga has served as a member of the AFRINIC Board since July 
2017. While on the Board, Mr. Ilunga served on different committees including 
the Audit and the Remuneration Committees.

Mr. Ilunga was the CEO of CSTelecomex. He has been actively involved in the 
development of the ICT sector in D.R. Congo where he served for many years 
numerous organisations including Vodacom Congo in several positions, BSDCongo, 
a non profit association that works to spread ICT in D.R Congo and promote 
freeware, among others.

He was also a Member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers 
(IEEE), Internet Society and was actively involved in several capacity building 
programs in D.R. Congo, contributing  to the Organisation of the first National 
Internet Governance Forum in D.R.Congo, the organisation of the Central Africa 
Internet Governance Forum, the deployment of KINIX (Kinshasa Exchange Point), 
among others.

We wish to extend our deepest and most heartfelt condolences to the bereaved 
family, friends and to the Global Internet community.

May his soul rest in eternal peace.

Eddy Kayihura,
Chief Executive Officer,
African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
c...@afrinic.net<mailto:c...@afrinic.net>

……..

Chers collègues,

C'est avec une profonde tristesse que nous avons appris le décès prématuré de 
notre membre du conseil d'administration, Monsieur Serge Kabwika Ilunga.
M. Serge Kabwika Ilunga était membre du conseil d'administration d'Afrinic 
depuis juillet 2017. M. Ilunga a siégé dans différents comités, notamment les 
comités d'audit et de rémunération.

M. Ilunga était le directeur général de CSTelecomex. Il a été activement 
impliqué dans le développement du secteur des TIC en R.D. Congo où il a servi 
pendant de nombreuses années de nombreuses organisations dont Vodacom Congo à 
plusieurs postes, BSDCongo, une association à but non lucratif qui œuvre pour 
la diffusion des TIC au Congo et la promotion des logiciels libres, entre 
autres.

Il était également membre de l'Institute of Electrical and Electronics 
Engineers (IEEE), de l'Internet Society et a participé activement à plusieurs 
programmes de renforcement des capacités en R.D. Congo, contribuant à 
l'organisation du premier Forum national sur la gouvernance de l'Internet en 
R.D. Congo, à l'organisation du Forum sur la gouvernance de l'Internet en 
Afrique centrale, au déploiement de KINIX (Kinshasa Exchange Point), entre 
autres.

Nous souhaitons présenter nos plus sincères et profondes condoléances à la 
famille et aux amis endeuillés ainsi qu'à la communauté Internet mondiale.
Que son âme repose dans la paix éternelle.

Eddy Kayihura,
Chief Executive Officer,
African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
c...@afrinic.net<mailto:c...@afrinic.net>

….

زملائي الاعزاء،
لقد علمنا بحزن عميق بوفاة عضو مجلس الإدارة السيد سيرج كابويكا إيلونجا في وقت 
مبكر.
عمل السيد Serge Kabwika Ilunga كعضو في مجلس إدارة AFRINIC منذ يوليو 2017.أثناء 
عضويته في مجلس الإدارة ، عمل السيد إلونجا في لجان مختلفة بما في ذلك لجان 
التدقيق والمكافآت.
السيد Ilunga كان الرئيس التنفيذي لشركة CSTelecomex. شارك بنشاط في تطوير قطاع 
تكنولوجيا المعلومات والاتصالات في D.R. الكونغو حيث خدم لسنوات عديدة في العديد 
من المنظمات بما في ذلك Vodacom Congo في عدة مناصب ، BSDCongo ، وهي جمعية غير 
ربحية تعمل على نشر تكنولوجيا المعلومات والاتصالات في جمهورية الكونغو 
الديمقراطية والترويج للبرامج المجانية ، من بين أمور أخرى.
كان أيضًا عضوًا في معهد مهندسي الكهرباء والإلكترونيات (IEEE) ، وجمعية الإنترنت 
وشارك بنشاط في العديد من برامج بناء القدرات في D.R. ساهم الكونغو في تنظيم 
المنتدى الوطني الأول لإدارة الإنترنت في جمهورية الكونغو الديمقراطية ، وتنظيم 
منتدى حوكمة الإنترنت في وسط إفريقيا ، ونشر KINIX (Kinshasa Exchange Point) ، من 
بين أمور أخرى.
نود أن نتقدم بأعمق وأخلص تعازينا للأسرة المكلومة والأصدقاء ومجتمع الإنترنت 
العالمي.
قد تبقى روحه في فسيح جناته.
إيدي كاييهورا ،
الرئيس التنفيذى،
المركز الأفريقي لمعلومات الشبكة (AFRINIC

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update on legal case - Freeze of Bank accounts

[Sami Salih]

Congratulations, indeed it's good news, albeit its expected.

Salam,

Sami Salih

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From: Grace INGABIRE 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 3:48:48 PM
To: Dawit Bekele 
Cc: Community Discuss 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Update on legal case - Freeze of Bank accounts

Wauuu wauuu! This is a good news!!!

Tuzatsinda

On 15 Oct 2021, at 14:24, Dawit Bekele 
mailto:bek...@isoc.org>> wrote:

Congratulations!!! This is a great relief!

From: Eddy Kayihura mailto:e...@afrinic.net>>
Date: Friday, 15 October 2021 at 13:59
To: Community Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update on legal case - Freeze of Bank accounts

Dear Colleagues,

Please see the message below that was shared with our members.
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Eddy Kayihura M.
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African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) Ltd.

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Begin forwarded message:

From: Eddy Kayihura mailto:e...@afrinic.net>>
Subject: [members-discuss] Update on legal case - Freeze of Bank accounts
Date: 15 October 2021 at 14:53:03 GMT+4
To: AfriNIC Discuss 
mailto:members-disc...@afrinic.net>>

Dear Colleagues,

We are happy to inform our stakeholders that there was a court hearing today 
with regard to our application for removal of the freezing order against 
AFRINIC.

The Court, after considering our application and the case initiated by Cloud 
Innovation Ltd, has declared the order null and void. In short, AFRINIC has won 
this case against Cloud Innovation Ltd.

There is another Appeal to be heard on 11 th November 2021. We will keep you 
informed of the outcome and we are quietly optimistic that justice will prevail.

Kind Regards,

Eddy Kayihura
Chief Executive Officer
African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
c...@afrinic.net<mailto:c...@afrinic.net>

…...

Chers Collègues,

Nous sommes heureux de vous informer qu'une audience a eu lieu aujourd'hui au 
tribunal concernant notre demande de levée de l'ordonnance de gel des comptes 
d'AFRINIC.

Le tribunal, après avoir examiné notre demande et l'affaire initiée par Cloud 
Innovation Ltd, a déclaré l'ordonnance nulle et non avenue. En bref, AFRINIC a 
gagné ce procès contre Cloud Innovation Ltd.

Un autre appel doit être entendu le 11 novembre 2021. Nous vous tiendrons 
informés du dénouement et nous sommes optimistes quant à la justice.

Cordialement,

Eddy Kayihura
Directeur général
Le Centre d'information du réseau africain
c...@afrinic.net<mailto:c...@afrinic.net>
……...

زملائي الاعزاء،

يسعدنا إبلاغ أصحاب المصلحة لدينا أنه كانت هناك جلسة استماع اليوم فيما يتعلق 
بطلبنا لإزالة أمر التجميد ضد AFRINIC.

أعلنت المحكمة ، بعد النظر في طلبنا والقضية التي رفعتها شركة Cloud Innovation 
Ltd ، أن الأمر باطل ولاغٍ. باختصار ، فازت AFRINIC بقضيتها ضد Cloud Innovation 
Ltd.

هناك نداء آخر سيتم الاستماع إليه في 11 نوفمبر. سنبقيك على اطلاع بالنتيجة ونحن 
متفائلون بهدوء بأن العدالة ستسود.

AFRINIC للاتصالات

.

Caros colegas,

Temos o prazer de informar as nossas partes interessadas de que houve hoje uma 
audiência judicial relativamente ao nosso pe

Re: [Community-Discuss] Answers to Community Questions Regarding - FUNDRAISING TO SUPPORT AFRINIC

[Sami Salih]

أعزاءنا مجتمع الإنترنت،

ربما تكونون على علم بأن مركز المعلومات الإفريقي - أفرينيك (AFRINIC) المسئول عن 
إدارة عناوين الإنترنت في القارة الإفريقية، طرف في دعوى قضائية، وقد سعى المدعي 
إلى تجميد حسابات أفرينيك المصرفية.

في عالم اليوم المتصل، فإنه من المعتاد التعامل مع الإنترنت كمجرد ناقل للبيانات، 
وتنسى أن هناك أشخاص حقيقيين يعملون بجد في بناء وصيانة وتوفير الدعم للأنظمة التي 
نحتاجها منا بقية العالم لمواصلة العمل والتواصل.

هذه الإجراءات القضائية جعلت من الصعب على أفرينيك الوفاء بالتزاماتها المالية. 
جزء من هذه النفقات هي رواتب فريق أفرينيك، الذين يعملون بجد خلال هذه الفترة 
الصعبة. وبينما ندرك أن النظم القانونية يجب أن تتبع بدقة، لا يزال زملاؤنا في 
أفرينيك بحاجة إلى مقابلة نفقات معيشتهم خلال واحدة من أسوأ جائحة في ذاكرة 
البشرية. كما أنه وبصفتها كيانًا تشغيليًا، وهذا هو جوهر عمل الإنترنت، لا يزال 
لدى أفرينيك التزامات مالية أخرى يجب أن تفي بها تجاه مورديها.

عليه، شرعت رابطة محولات تبادل الإنترنت الإفريقية (Af-IX) بالتعاون مع شركائنا في 
جمع التبرعات للمساعدة في الحفاظ على استمرار عمل أفرينيك للأشهر الثلاثة المقبلة
.
كمجتمع تقنية معلومات واتصالات، فإننا نعتمد بشكل مباشر على السجل، الذي مكنت 
خدمته في تخصيص وتسجيل موارد أرقام الإنترنت (IPv4 و IPv6 و ASN) من التواصل من 
أجل تطوير الإنترنت ونموها في القارة الأفريقية.

ندعوكم لتكونوا ضمن الداعمين لضمان استمرار أفرينيك في لعب دورها الحيوي لتحقيق 
النمو الرقمي المستدام في إفريقيا.

تبرع للحفاظ على AFRINIC بالضغط على هذا الرابط
 https://www.tespok.co.ke/؟page_id=14001

يمكنك اختيار التبرع بأي مبلغ عبر الرابط أعلاه. سيتم استخدام الأموال التي تم 
جمعها لدعم الفريق من خلال ضمان استمرار الأعمال الأساسية لـ AFRINIC.

تتشارك Af-IX في هذه المبادرة مع؛

مزودو خدمات التكنولوجيا في كينيا - TESPOK
جمعية مزودي خدمات الإنترنت في تنزانيا ISP - TISPA
جمعية مزودي خدمات الإنترنت في أنجولا ISP - AAPSI
نقطة تبادل الإنترنت في نيجيريا – IXPN

للحصول على معلومات إضافية، لا تتردد في الاتصال بنا، أو بأي من شركائنا من خلال 
عناوين البريد الإلكتروني التالية أدناه:

i...@af-ix.net | tes...@tespok.co.ke | secur...@tispa.or.tz | 
secretari...@aapsi.og.ao | i...@ixp.net.ng

#مساندة_أفرينيك
 #StandwithAFRINIC

إجابات لبعض الأسئلة الشائعة فيما يتعلق بجمع الأموال لدعم أفرينيك



1.   لماذا لا ندع AFNOG تقوم بهذا العمل؟

تعد Af-IX واحدة من العديد من المنظمات Af * التي تجمع بين جمعيات ISP ومشغلي IXP 
جنبًا إلى جنب مع مصلحة مشتركة تتمثل في إبقاء حركة المرور في إفريقيا محلية داخل 
منطقة الخدمة AFRINIC. تحقيقا لهذه الغاية ، شرعت Af-IX وشركاؤها في هذا التمرين 
التطوعي لضمان بقاء وظائف AFRINIC الأساسية دون انقطاع في هذا الوقت من خلال عملية 
جمع التبرعات والتبرعات. تتمتع المنظمات الشقيقة * بالمثل بحرية تنسيق أفضل ما في 
وسعها لدعم AFRINIC في هذا الوقت من أجل الحفاظ على AFRINIC وتشغيلها.


2.  هل يمكن للمنظمين النظر في استخدام طريقة القرض الجماعي؟

يدعم Af-IX وشركاؤه وأمانته TESPOK حاليًا الخيارات المتاحة للتبرع من مجتمع 
الإنترنت فقط. خيارات الدفع هي التحويلات المصرفية وتحويل الأموال عبر الهاتف 
المحمول و Paypal لماستركارد + فيزا. يرجى الرجوع إلى صفحة جمع التبرعات هنا
 https://www.tespok.co.ke/؟page_id=14001


3.  ما هو الموقف القانوني من Af-IX وشركائها الذين يقومون بجمع الأموال هذا؟

من الناحية القانونية ، تتمتع AF-IX وشركاؤها بحرية دعم عمليات AFRINIC. ليس هناك 
ما يمنع Af-IX من جمع التبرعات للحفاظ على سير العمليات الحيوية. الإجراءات 
القانونية الجارية في موريشيوس لها تأثير ضئيل من حيث المخاطر على كل من Af-IX 
وشركائها لأنهم يدعمون AFRINIC لأن هذه الأطراف لم يتم تأسيسها في موريشيوس.


4.  هل سيتم إيداع الأموال في حساب (حسابات) AFRINIC الحالي الذي تم تجميده؟

سيتم إيداع التبرعات من حملة جمع التبرعات القائمة على Af-IX والتي تديرها TESPOK 
في الحساب المصرفي أدناه ومقره في نيروبي كينيا.

اسم الحساب TECHNOLOGY SERVICE PROVIDERS OF KENYA LTD
المصرفيون: بنك NCBA (k) PLC
عنوان البنك: صندوق بريد 30437 00100 نيروبي


5.   ما هو الهدف من جمع التبرعات؟

تدير Af-IX وشركاؤها حملة للمساعدة في جمع 30 دولار وأكثر خلال الأشهر الثلاثة 
المقبلة.


6.   هل طلبت AFRINIC من Af-IX جمع الأموال نيابة عنها؟

من المهم جدًا ملاحظة أن AFRINIC لم تطلب أو تصرح مطلقًا لـ Af-IX أو أي من 
شركائها لإدارة جمع التبرعات أو طلب التبرع.

هذه هي مبادرة حسن النية من جانب جمعيات مزودي خدمة الإنترنت و IXP المشاركين. نحن 
نأخذ على عاتقنا مسؤولية ضمان أن وظائف AFRINIC الأساسية التي يعتمد عليها أعضاء 
Af-IX ، من البنية التحتية لـ WHOIS و RDNS و RPKI المستضافة في مراكز البيانات 
المختلفة والموظفين الذين يعملون بجد لجعل AFRINIC توفر وظائفها الأساسية ، لا 
يزالون العناية ب.

في الواقع ، الإعلان العالمي لحقوق الإنسان ، المنصوص عليه في المادة 23 ؛
 https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-decisions-of-human-rights

"لكل فرد يعمل الحق في أجر عادل ومرضي يكفل له ولأسرته عيشة لائقة بالكرامة 
الإنسانية ، ويكملها ، إذا لزم الأمر ، بوسائل أخرى من الحماية الاجتماعية".

موظفو AFRINIC تمامًا مثلنا جميعًا بشر ويستحقون الرعاية، ولهذا السبب بدأنا هذا 
جمع التبرعات كمجتمع مسؤول.


7.ما هو الراتب الشهري والإيجار والمصروفات القانونية ل أفرينيك ؟

يرجى الرجوع إلى لميزانية أفرينيك هنا ؛
https://afrinic.net/ast/pdf/financial-reports/afrinic-budget-2021.pdf


8.هل جمع الأموال من قبل شركاء Af-IX بأي شكل من الأشكال ازدراء لمحكمة 
موريشيوس؟

Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Sami Salih]

Salam Mohamed,

This thread is exactly about paying (but not not). Other threads are available 
or you can initiate one about enforcing law!?

Please keep this thread as is and avoid it if you are with (not) group.

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From: Mohamed Ibrahim 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 4:57 AM
To: Sami Salih; Dewole Ajao; Noah
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

It is not about paying or not? I think it is also about how to avoid similar 
problems in the future. We live in a rules-based world and I want to know how 
did this happen? I respect courts and rule of law... there are higher courts 
and even international courts if local/national courts are not doing the right 
thing.

Regards,
Mohamed
____
From: Sami Salih 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 4:08 AM
To: Dewole Ajao ; Noah 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

A good citizen is a blessing to society.

Let us show the world that we deserve to host and operate our own Registry.


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From: Dewole Ajao 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:02:27 PM
To: Noah 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

This is a very good initiative. Can the organizers look at making this more 
like a crowdsourced loan? Is this something that's allowable? That way, AFRINIC 
is given interest free loans and then we can figure out how to repay the loans 
in the future.

For example, I could opt to pay my 2022 and 2023 membership fees in advance via 
this fund (if it can be made official).

Meanwhile, someone here is asking if an initiative can be launched to blackhole 
traffic from all prefixes globally owned by the people trying to force the 
registry to its knees by starving it of funds?

Regards,
Dewole.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 6:47 PM Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> 
wrote:
Dear Internet Community,

You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for Africa, 
is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought to have 
AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is easy to 
abstract the Internet into simply moving bits and bytes, and forget that there 
are real people that work hard at building, maintaining and providing support 
for the systems that you, and the Internet, need to continue working and 
engaging.

The litigation has made it difficult for AFRINIC to meet its financial 
obligations. Part of these expenses are salaries for the AFRINIC team, who are 
resolutely working through this difficult period.  Whilst we recognise that the 
legal system has to complete its important process, “our colleagues still need 
to survive” during one of the worst pandemics in memory.  As an operational 
entity, that is core to a functioning Internet, AFRINIC still has financial 
obligations that it must meet to its suppliers.

AF-IX, in collaboration with our partners, are therefore embarking on a 
fund-raising exercise to help keep AFRINIC’s core functions and services 
running for the next three months. As a broader community, we are dependent on 
this registry, whose service of allocating and registering Internet Number 
Resources (IPv4, IPv6 and ASN) has enabled communication for the development 
and growth of the Internet In the African region.

We invite you to be part of the community of supporters to ensure that AFRINIC 
can continue to play the vital role it has, for the sustainable digital growth 
in Africa.

You can choose to donate any amount via the URL below where you will find all 
different options.  The funds collected will be used to support the team by 
ensuring the core functions of AFRINIC continue without risk.

DONATE TO KEEP AFRINIC UP BY CLICKING THIS LINK;   
https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001

The AF-IX is ably supported in this initiative by the below partners;

Technology Service Providers of Kenya – TESPOK
Tanzania ISP Association – TISPA
Angola ISP Association – AAPSI
Internet Exchange Point of Nigeria – IXPN

For additional information, please feel free to contact us, or any of our 
partners through the following email addresses below:

i...@af-ix.net<mailto:i...@af-ix.net>  | 
tes...@tespok.co.ke<mailto:tes...@tespok.co.ke> | 
secretar...@tispa.or.tz<mailto:secretar...@tispa.or.tz> | 
secretari...@aapsi.og.ao<mailto:secretari...@aapsi.og.ao> | 
i...@ixp.net.ng<mailto:i...@ixp.net.ng>


For Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Please visit the Sites Below For Details;


TESPOK = https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001

AF-IX = https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign

TISPA = 

Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Sami Salih]

A good citizen is a blessing to society.

Let us show the world that we deserve to host and operate our own Registry.


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From: Dewole Ajao 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:02:27 PM
To: Noah 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

This is a very good initiative. Can the organizers look at making this more 
like a crowdsourced loan? Is this something that's allowable? That way, AFRINIC 
is given interest free loans and then we can figure out how to repay the loans 
in the future.

For example, I could opt to pay my 2022 and 2023 membership fees in advance via 
this fund (if it can be made official).

Meanwhile, someone here is asking if an initiative can be launched to blackhole 
traffic from all prefixes globally owned by the people trying to force the 
registry to its knees by starving it of funds?

Regards,
Dewole.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 6:47 PM Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> 
wrote:
Dear Internet Community,

You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for Africa, 
is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought to have 
AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is easy to 
abstract the Internet into simply moving bits and bytes, and forget that there 
are real people that work hard at building, maintaining and providing support 
for the systems that you, and the Internet, need to continue working and 
engaging.

The litigation has made it difficult for AFRINIC to meet its financial 
obligations. Part of these expenses are salaries for the AFRINIC team, who are 
resolutely working through this difficult period.  Whilst we recognise that the 
legal system has to complete its important process, “our colleagues still need 
to survive” during one of the worst pandemics in memory.  As an operational 
entity, that is core to a functioning Internet, AFRINIC still has financial 
obligations that it must meet to its suppliers.

AF-IX, in collaboration with our partners, are therefore embarking on a 
fund-raising exercise to help keep AFRINIC’s core functions and services 
running for the next three months. As a broader community, we are dependent on 
this registry, whose service of allocating and registering Internet Number 
Resources (IPv4, IPv6 and ASN) has enabled communication for the development 
and growth of the Internet In the African region.

We invite you to be part of the community of supporters to ensure that AFRINIC 
can continue to play the vital role it has, for the sustainable digital growth 
in Africa.

You can choose to donate any amount via the URL below where you will find all 
different options.  The funds collected will be used to support the team by 
ensuring the core functions of AFRINIC continue without risk.

DONATE TO KEEP AFRINIC UP BY CLICKING THIS LINK;   
https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001

The AF-IX is ably supported in this initiative by the below partners;

Technology Service Providers of Kenya – TESPOK
Tanzania ISP Association – TISPA
Angola ISP Association – AAPSI
Internet Exchange Point of Nigeria – IXPN

For additional information, please feel free to contact us, or any of our 
partners through the following email addresses below:

i...@af-ix.net  | 
tes...@tespok.co.ke | 
secretar...@tispa.or.tz | 
secretari...@aapsi.og.ao | 
i...@ixp.net.ng


For Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Please visit the Sites Below For Details;


TESPOK = https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001

AF-IX = https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign

TISPA = https://tispa.or.tz/fundraising/afrinic

ISPA-Angola = https://www.aapsi.og.ao/noticia/fundraising-for-afrinic

IXPN = https://ixp.net.ng/news/afrinic-fundraising



We look forward to your kind support.


Cheers,
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TISPA

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Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

[Sami Salih]

Thanks Noah this is really important, we need to know who is supporting our 
organization in this hard time.

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From: Noah 
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 2:35:38 PM
To: AfriNIC Discuss ; General Discussions of 
AFRINIC 
Subject: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC 
developments

Dear Members and the wider AFRICAN Community.

I note that the ISP Association of South Africa has made a public statement as 
well following TISPA'S public statement on recent AFRINIC developments.

I thought it was important to share the same with the rest of you in case you 
missed this important message since ISPA South Africa represents the large 
voice of AFRINIC members in South Africa.

So for those who are trying to show doubt that there is a loss of confidence in 
AFRINIC, the statement from ISPA-ZA should show you all that the industry 
representative body for ISPs in South Africa does not suffer from a loss of 
faith in AFRINIC.

You can read the important statement via the link below.

https://ispa.org.za/press_releases/ispa-statement-on-recent-afrinic-developments/

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

[Sami Salih]

Salam Mark,

Thank you for volunteering for the community, I personally know how much you 
care about developing the AFRINIC. However, if I'm in your please I will fight 
more, but this is your way and I/we should respect it.
I hope you continue to support the organization.

best of luck

Sami Salih

From: Noah 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:09 PM
To: Mark Elkins 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

Hi Mark

Good luck and thank you for participating and stopping Paul Wolner.

History shall remember.

Cheers
Noah

On Sun, 25 Jul 2021, 23:30 Mark Elkins, 
mailto:m...@posix.co.za>> wrote:

Dear community,

I've handed the Chair of the AFRINIC Board my resignation - effective 
immediate. I'm still under NDA so can't say much. I do disagree with what is 
happening and feel that I have been grossly mislead. The current situation has 
been brewing for months - long before I joined.

I do have a personal view that the "Assisted Review" program is misguided and 
needs to be terminated and its effects reversed. It would seem to be the cause 
of much friction.

Thank you for your support and votes.

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Re: [Community-Discuss] [afnog] Updates on the misappropriation of IPv4 resources

[Sami Salih]

I don't have any comment about the content of lib...@tuta.io messages, but I'm 
not comfortable with anonymous posting in our member-based list.
I hope we can resolve this issue so anyone is well known to each other's.


Sami Salih

From: Noah 
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 7:37 PM
To: lib...@tuta.io 
Cc: Community Discuss 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [afnog] Updates on the misappropriation of 
IPv4 resources



On Tue, 22 Dec 2020, 16:56 Libra via Community-Discuss, 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote:

>@Ronald F. Guilmette are you LIR or member of Afrinic?
 >>>No sir, I am neither.
Ronald F Guilmette are you a real person or using some fake name?  You are like 
ghost on internet.

How about you Libren? Are you a real person or a coward sock puppet?


Do you have any linkedin profile or company?

Do you have one we can look at?

I am wondering if you are not LIR or member of Afrinic then why are you even 
part of this community mailing list

Is this mailing list for only LIR or members only?

Who gives you Libren the right to discriminate against others?

The Code of Conduct for this very community list does not allow discretionary 
remarks like the ones you are parading against Ronald.


or why you are taking so much interest in community mailing list?

Why should any sane and ethical member of the internet community not take 
interest and participate in this forum.

Do you Libren have a problem with internet community members participating 
openly in such a forum.

Are you perhaps one of the affected parties of Ronald revelations which are 
extremely concerning and must be addressed.

There are thousands of members in this list you are just spamming everyone with 
your findings.

Spamming is that your excuse to divert attention.

If you have a problem with Ronald posts,  please do yourself a favor and 
unsubscribe yourself from this list. No one forced you to stay on it.

Who cares who is doing what?

I do care and I am involved in running real African network infrastructure  
that has real impact in AFRICA and I am a real warm blooded person with a heart 
pumping breath gasping decaying body.

This is something between Afrinic and its members.


Well the networks I am invloved with are AFRINIC members and yes everything 
Ronald has revealed is something that concerns us.


If you want to play good cop then report to Afrinic because spamming community 
mailing will not do anything

You clearly have a problem with those who attempt to ethically speak out 
against potential fraud as it shall be revealed in the promised audit report 
from AFRINIC.

Btw, where have you been. Dont you know that Ronalds past revelations on this 
very mailing list led to the ongoing massive Audit by AFRINIC which as 
partially reported has led to recovery of millions of misappropriated IPv4 
addresses and an ongoing litigation at the Mauritius court.


You are working as influence marketer to provoke community and Afrinic by 
playing divide and rule?

How has Ronald divided this community. Please share your evidence of your 
unfounded claims and innuendos others give us a break.


Afrinic need new ideas and solutions

Those ideas and solutions can wait.

not problems and no one is interested in your nonsense.

What nonsense.

AFRINIC needs to clean up the never ending crap. You are calling what seems 
like fraud and corruption nonsense. You are clearly a very unethical individual.

If people made mistakes then they should be held accountable and those mistakes 
fixed. That is the only sensible achievement we seek.

This community is anxiously waiting for the audit report as recently reported 
by the CEO and AFRINIC communications team.

Noah  *A real person*
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Re: [Community-Discuss] A personal note

[Sami Salih]

Thank you Boss for those words, I feel that it's comes from a honest heart, I 
I'm sure the community got the same feeling. Be sure all of us share the same 
story with slight difference, for me I was first time invited for 2009 meeting 
in SA, then we organized the first IG in Sudan, and we success to reach 30% 
IPv6 traffic in the REN network.
AFRINIC means a lot for us, and to our local community, so any type of support 
you need please just let us know and we will never hide.

once again thank you for this kind message, and wish you all the best.

Sami Salih,
Community Member.

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From: Eddy Kayihura 
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:47:20 PM
To: community-discuss@afrinic.net 
Subject: [Community-Discuss] A personal note


Dear Colleagues, ( French version below)

One day in April 2006, I was informed by Rwandatel CTO that I would attend an 
AFRINIC meeting in Nairobi as our company had received a fellowship from them. 
This intrigued me because I did not understand why our IP provider was willing 
to sponsor a trip for a member for no apparent reason.

Not only did I not find any catch but I discovered a community that I had no 
clue existed. I heard of IPv6 for the first time and later registered for a 
course which happened at AFRINIC 9 in Balaclava, Mauritius. This connection 
together with the AfNog one helped me grow quickly in the networking field.

Back home, many colleagues attended AFRINIC and AfNog events and we started 
seeing scalable network and systems managed by young Rwandans.

14 years later, Afrinic has evolved in many ways and is still around committed 
to its mission of supporting Internet technology usage and development in 
Africa.

I have grown over the years to become AFRINIC’s CEO. The large number of 
support messages I have received since it happened has been very humbling and 
demonstrates the fact that AFRINIC is dear to the hearts of many people all 
over the world.

AFRINIC has had more than its fair share of ups and downs and challenges over 
the years. However, there are inspiring stories of its positive contributions 
and impact in many countries. It continues to play a fundamentally important 
role in Internet development across Africa and the Indian Ocean region.

During my few weeks in office, I have endeavored  with the team on analysing 
and identifying all key focus areas from the feedback we have received from our 
membership and community.

The key focus areas include:

- Restoring the accuracy of the database and enhancing membership experience.

- Delivering on promises of major technical products and projects anticipated 
by our membership and community.

- Building, developing and maintaining our community through providing capacity 
building, research and engagement opportunities.

- Restructuring a cohesive and efficient team that will deliver on all the 
above and more.

I would like to commend the team’s resilience and dedication over the years and 
I am a firm believer that our success will not be attainable without the 
involvement of each of us. As a member-based organisation and a 
community-driven organisation, the support of our members and community is also 
vital to our triumph as a whole.

I will be giving a monthly update on the progress we make on the different 
areas and we welcome your suggestions, support and constructive feedback as we 
travel this journey together.

Kind regards,

Eddy


*

Chers Collegues, (votre indulgence pour les accents et potentielles fautes 
d'ortographes est appreciee)

Par un jour normal en 2006, le CTO de Rwandatel m'a informé que je participerai 
à une reunion d'AFRINIC à Nairobi et qu'ils prennait tout en charge. Je fus 
intrigué car ne comprenant pas pourquoi notre fournisseur d'adresse IP serait 
si genereuse.

Je n'ai cependant trouve aucun piège. Bien plus, j'ai plutôt decouvert une 
communauté dont j'ignorai totalement l'existence. J'ai entendu parler de IPv6 
pour la premiere fois et me suis enregistré pour un cours qui a eu lieu lors de 
AFRINIC 9 a Balaclava en ile Maurice. Cette connection ainsi qu'avec AfNog m'a 
aide a progresser rapidement dans le domaine de la connectivite.

Au pays, plusieurs collegues ont participé aux réunions d'AFRINIC et AfNog et 
nous avons commencé à voir de jeunes rwandais gerant des reseaux et systèmes 
bien configuré.

14 annees plus tard, Afrinic a evolué de plusieurs maniere tout en restant 
fidele à sa mission de soutenir l'usage et le developpement des technologies de 
l'Internet.

J'ai aussi progressé jusqu'à en devenir le Directeur Général. Les inombrables 
messages de soutien que j'ai recu etaient bien chaleureux et demontrent a quel 
point Afrinic est cher é plusieurs personnes au travers le globe.

Afrinic a eu son lot de hauts et bas au travers des années. Cependant, il y a 
plusieurs histoires inspirantes sur sa contribution dans plusieurs pays. 
Afrinic continue a jo

Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

[Sami Salih]

if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not welcoming, 
can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at least stop them 
from conveying the message to the community ?


Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Owen DeLong 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM
To: Badru Ntege 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; 
members-disc...@afrinic.net 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with them. 
Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out that you 
don’t do business with spammers.

Owen


On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege 
mailto:badru.nt...@nftconsult.com>> wrote:

I agree with you on the bad taste.

Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain oneself

Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka 
mailto:mark.ti...@seacom.mu>> wrote:

Not sure if anyone else has received these...

I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my 
mouth.

Mark.

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:AFRINIC-31 Meeting
Date:   Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +
From:   Lena AFRINIC 
To: mark.ti...@seacom.mu




[http://service.breeden-comm.com/content/2efdcfad60a3dcd7c788098b904e40cf.png]

Greetings,


Hope this email finds you well!

I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We 
are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet 
people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.

We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business 
partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.

NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any questions.


See you at the event.


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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting

[Sami Salih]

And the interesting thing is the phone number from Moldova

Moldova, an Eastern European country and former Soviet republic.


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From: Saul Stein 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 3:38:44 PM
To: Mark Tinka ; General Discussions of AFRINIC 
; members-disc...@afrinic.net 

Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting


Yip, me too and at some interesting old staff members addresses. Which make me 
curious as to what database they have mined. I don’t think it’s AFRINIC db. One 
email that was used was never registered with AFRINIC as far as I can remember…





From: Mark Tinka [mailto:mark.ti...@seacom.mu]
Sent: 15 November 2019 11:24 AM
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; 
members-disc...@afrinic.net
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting



Not sure if anyone else has received these...

I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my 
mouth.

Mark.

 Forwarded Message 

Subject:

AFRINIC-31 Meeting

Date:

Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +

From:

Lena AFRINIC 

To:

mark.ti...@seacom.mu




[http://service.breeden-comm.com/content/2efdcfad60a3dcd7c788098b904e40cf.png]Greetings,



Hope this email finds you well!

I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We 
are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet 
people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.

We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business 
partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.

NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any questions.



See you at the event.



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Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: [AfrICANN-discuss] Report of the AFRINIC Open Mic Session on June 20

[Sami Salih]

Owen,

Its also absurd and clear inconsistency to attack the board, I don't know if 
you don't like the current board composition or the role of the AFRINIC board ? 
in all cases we should respect the board and respect our chair simply because 
they are elected to volunteer somethings good to the community, if any one or 
group believe the opposite he/they can free to nominate/support
good representatives during election period, any disturbance in-between can't 
considered in meant well way!

For the point (4) I think we agreed on the base logic.

Point (5) no comments may others can contribute

Its again absurd to conclude with "I believe that the current situation 
where the board supervises the nomcom is correct, but needs some 
fine-tuning..." while you see the board as problem ?!

I thank you very much for admitting that "needs some fine-tuning" please apply 
this to all what we faces in AFRINIC.

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Owen DeLong 
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 7:32 AM
To: Sami Salih 
Cc: Mark Tinka ; community-discuss@afrinic.net 

Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: [AfrICANN-discuss] Report of the AFRINIC 
Open Mic Session on June 20



On Jul 24, 2019, at 00:41 , Sami Salih 
mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Thank you Internet Society’s Africa, and Thank you Dawit and Michuki,
This is what we expected from ISOC and from you as real Africans who really 
cares about the stability of this continent.

Few points I would like to highlight as follows:

1) The Board can never viewed as part of any problem (I prefer use issues 
instead) if and only if we (I will always use WE as we are one community) 
increase the level of transparency. However, increasing transparency DID NOT 
mean to disclose everything. While I personally support disclosing the 
methodologies use to take decisions, I believe this is to be evaluated by the 
board its self to decide on the information to be share with members, 
community, etc. Overall, the board needed to build a trusted relationship with 
the community.

It is absurd to claim the board can never be viewed as “part of any issue” or 
“part of any problem”.

It is entirely possible for them to be part of the problem and several past 
actions show that they have, in fact, been part of the problem.

If the board was not considered to be part of the problem, there would not have 
been a landslide victory for “none of the above” across the board in the 2018 
board elections.

4) The  legal interpretations and other bylaw issues can't be discussed in such 
details during open mic, only specialists in a small dedicated group can 
provide useful contributions and suggested the way-forward. As you can notice 
different views and different wishes are expressed at the end only specialist 
can enlightening and guide the community to respect the local laws and maintain 
the spirit of the bottom-up system for RIRs.

While there is value to having these issues worked by small working groups to 
bring proposals back to the wider community and collect feedback, this should 
be an iterative process and there is absolutely good value in having wide 
community input into the process at various stages.

IMHO, only when a proposal achieves relatively wide support in community 
consultations should it be formalized into motions put before an xGMM.

5) In page (3) please remove/rephrase this sentence "  vote on policy 
proposals. ..." cos its not accurate.

That whole paragraph is questionable, actually.

There are specific requirements to participate in the PDP…
1. You must have an email address.
2. You must subscribe to the PDWG mailing list.
3. You must begin participating.

I do not see how this particular set of requirements either enfranchises or 
disenfranchises one of any particular right to “vote”.

6) I would also propose that the Nomination and Election processes to be 
conducted by the governance committee, or at least they need to set a clear 
rule and procedure for those sensitive activities.

I think that the board, possibly in consultation with the GC should propose the 
necessary bylaw amendments to correct the identified deficiencies in the 
election process and specifications and also produce a set of procedural 
documents which cover the identified gaps that are not necessarily bylaw 
material, but more operational and procedural in nature.
I do not think that the election process itself should be managed by the GC. I 
believe that the current situation where the board supervises the nomcom is 
correct, but needs some fine-tuning in terms of how the nom-com is managed and 
what its responsibilities are.

Owen


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[Sami Salih]

Thank you Internet Society’s Africa, and Thank you Dawit and Michuki,
This is what we expected from ISOC and from you as real Africans who really 
cares about the stability of this continent.

Few points I would like to highlight as follows:

1) The Board can never viewed as part of any problem (I prefer use issues 
instead) if and only if we (I will always use WE as we are one community) 
increase the level of transparency. However, increasing transparency DID NOT 
mean to disclose everything. While I personally support disclosing the 
methodologies use to take decisions, I believe this is to be evaluated by the 
board its self to decide on the information to be share with members, 
community, etc. Overall, the board needed to build a trusted relationship with 
the community.

2) Engagement is always good thing, semi-annual meeting with one of them 
organized with AFNOG and accommodate Af* is what we practices for a while. Is 
this enough or not is not easy to judge by simply take individual views in such 
session. We need to consider that over-engagement will negatively affect the 
organization not only in term of financial cost but also the cost of the 
stability of running the organization, as we need to give board, staff etc a 
peaceful environment to act and innovate. Substantially, engagement is a two 
way process, let us see how we can encourage the other parts (than AFRINIC) to 
initiate engagement initiatives.  ;-)

3) Enforce the CC is an urgent requirement not only the personal attack but 
other hostile activities against the organization and its stability. This is 
not an easy task, I experienced this during my long term as PDWG Co-, with the 
population of the community and the diversity of individual and the groups 
while taking into consideration the number of contributions especially before 
and after the meeting, its really difficult to moderate the list in a way that 
satisfying the community and reflect a better image of the glob. We need to 
tolerate some and stickily avoid/mitigate/prevent or even ban unacceptable 
locution. This is again a big dilemma as continuous monitoring and instant 
judgement not an easy task to be achieved. The better way in my perspective is 
to count on the community maturity to tolerate and ignore bad things posted in 
an angry moment.
In this regard, I propose to have a dedicated group or sub-group may be under 
Governance Committee to enforce CC in the mailing list and during the meeting 
and other sessions.

4) The  legal interpretations and other bylaw issues can't be discussed in such 
details during open mic, only specialists in a small dedicated group can 
provide useful contributions and suggested the way-forward. As you can notice 
different views and different wishes are expressed at the end only specialist 
can enlightening and guide the community to respect the local laws and maintain 
the spirit of the bottom-up system for RIRs.

5) In page (3) please remove/rephrase this sentence "  vote on policy 
proposals. ..." cos its not accurate.

6) I would also propose that the Nomination and Election processes to be 
conducted by the governance committee, or at least they need to set a clear 
rule and procedure for those sensitive activities.

Once again I would like to thank Dawit and Michuki for this detailed report and 
their observations and proposals.

Regards,


Sami H.O. Salih, PhD., PMP®
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering,
Sudan University of Science and Technology,
sami.sa...@sustech.edu

From: Mark Tinka 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 12:51 AM
To: community-discuss@afrinic.net 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: [AfrICANN-discuss] Report of the AFRINIC 
Open Mic Session on June 20

Good work, Mich and team!

Mark.

On 23/Jul/19 22:30, Noah wrote:
Dear Dawit and Michuki

Thanks you so much for this report and having read through it, I find it very 
accurate as it covers the accounts of the said deliberations. We hope all 
stakeholders will consider the content of the report and act upon it.

Looking forward to more engagement and collaboration.

Cheers
Noah

-- Forwarded message -
From: Dawit Bekele mailto:bek...@isoc.org>>
Date: Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:40 PM
Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Report of the AFRINIC Open Mic Session on June 20
To: AfrICANN Community List mailto:afric...@afrinic.net>>



Hi all,

As you might remember, AFRINIC board asked Michuki and I to moderate the open 
mic discussion after the board meeting on June 20. We accepted the request and 
moderated the meeting as best as we could. With some delay, we have prepared a 
report of the meeting that we would like to share here (attached). We focused 
on reporting on the issues raised rather than providing detailed minutes of the 
discussion.

Please let us know if there is any inaccuracy so that we make corrections 
before submitting a final version.

Thank you,

Dawit Bekele and Michuki Mwangi

Internet 

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Sami Salih]

Ok Owen, let me agree with you this time.
As I said in my first intervention in this issue I my self - and many others 
like you - will not state my affiliation/membership when sending such email, 
but in the same-time I can't blame people do. IMHO I think sending email to 
anonymous without stating your positions is useless especially for those who 
didn't have enough information about AFRINIC - and I think the group received 
Wafa message is one of them.
I also didn't see that Wafa should apologies and we are not in a position to 
punish her, this is just a different way to communicate. Its OK to notifying 
her with our opinions - that why we are here in a community list -  but we need 
to respect our diversity.

BR

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Owen DeLong 
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 7:55 AM
To: Sami Salih
Cc: Andrew Alston; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Sami,

I would hope that you (and others) can see the difference between your 
signature as SUST (which merely depicts an affiliation) and campaigning with a 
signature that purports to represent multiple groups seen by many in the 
community as authority figures and/or positions of responsibility within the 
community.

You will note, for example, that when I go to the microphone or post something 
on the list, I do not include anything about my membership on the ARIN advisory 
council and in many cases, will go out of my way to make it very clear that I 
am speaking only for myself and not representing the views of ARIN, the AC, etc.

IMHO, there’s nothing particularly wrong with the content of Wafa’s email, but, 
if she was going to put that content above the signature she did, she should 
have made it clear that those groups were not endorsing the candidates or 
opinions expressed.

Owen


On Jul 3, 2019, at 04:47 , Sami Salih 
mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Salam,

I see this email sent to individuals to support/campaign for some nominators 
(I'm not in agreement with all proposed names) who are among the public slat of 
AFRINIC candidates, IMHO any one is free to campaign. The undersigned signature 
represent the level of engagement of the sender in the community and gives the 
recipient more confident about her selection to the benefit of the community. 
This is too far from sponsoring youth and educate them in a way that may push 
them to support/oppose something.
My personal signature as SUST employee did't mean my view i this email 
represent SUST!

BR

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Andrew Alston 
mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:28 PM
To: Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; 
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

This email raises so many questions.



While as I have clearly stated – I do not have ANY problem with anyone lobbying 
on behalf of candidates and their beliefs – however – I have serious issues 
when other groups that are meant to be neutral start doing this.



As such, I need some clarity based on the signatures of the email.



  1.  Is this email representative of the ASO /AC ‘s view
  2.  Is this email representative of the combined view of the AFRINIC Appeal 
committee – and how does that align with the neutrality that is meant to exist 
in such a committee.
  3.  Is this email representative of the views of Global IGF?



I really hope not – but – I have to ask – since that is what the email was 
signed as.



Thanks



Andrew





From: Ahmed Fadl mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2019 14:15
To: wafa Dahmani mailto:wafatn7...@gmail.com>>; 
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



Hi Wafa,





Thanks for your email.



I, among other members of AFRINIC in Egypt, received the following email from 
you many times.



I wondered at that time why should I vote for these candidates specially for 
those in Eastern and Southern regions while each one was the sole candidate in 
his region. I quote this from your email "Ladies and Gentlemen, in the context 
of our strategy " what is your strategy and who are you ?





If you are talking about biasing the community, So, do you consider your email 
as a "member of the appeal committee; ASO / AC excom member and Ex Chair of 
Governance Committee '(GC) at AFRINIC." fall under what ?



I sent this mail many time but I don’t know why I can’t find this mail on 
community





Thanks,



Ahmed Fadl

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Sami Salih]

Andrew
Just a reminder, Please share the link

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Sami Salih 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:54 PM
To: Andrew Alston; Sander Steffann
Cc: Sander Steffann; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Could you please share the link

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From: Andrew Alston 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:52:10 PM
To: Sami Salih; Sander Steffann
Cc: Sander Steffann; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections


Sami,



Do yourself a favor – and go and read up on the doctrine of apparent authority.



It makes for some fascinating reading – particularly the case law in various 
jurisdictions about email domains and email signatures.  I’ll let you draw your 
own conclusions from what you find, keeping in mind I’m no lawyer – but I do 
have an interest in this stuff – and reading material was… very interesting ??



Thanks

Andrew







From: Sami Salih 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:33
To: Sander Steffann 
Cc: Sander Steffann ; Andrew Alston 
; Ahmed Fadl ; wafa 
Dahmani ; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



So wafa use her public email too :-)

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From: Sander Steffann mailto:san...@steffann.nl>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:27:55 PM
To: Sami Salih
Cc: Sander Steffann; Andrew Alston; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; 
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



Hi Sami,

> I'm using a public email (outlook.com) not my official one (sustech.sd), 
> however my signature is MY signature I use it to show the people the ground 
> where I stand when I say something.

Exactly.
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Sami Salih]

Shokran Ahmed for showing up, welcome to AFRINIC community.

you said: I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I 
don’t know

If I understand your sentence correctly, I have to tell you that AFRINIC board 
is 9 seats (6 Regional, 2 Non-Regional, and the CEO).
for more details please visit AFRINIC Governance portal
https://afrinic.net/board

hope this help clarifying the issue.

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Ahmed Fadl 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:28 AM
To: Sami Salih; Noah
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani
Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections


Thank you Sami for your introduction

Let me also introduce myself

My name is Ahmed Fadl, I’m working in healthcare nonprofit organization called 
children cancer hospital Egypt (57357), it is curing our patients with free of 
charge, my role is healthcare applications director.

Our hospital is one of the biggest hospital in the world in this 
specializations.

Also I’m responsible for the IP pools of our organization so I joined Afrinic 
community.

My point from my mail is we have to know the plan and strategy for every person 
before we vote for them.

I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I don’t know

The characteristics of the board members should include diversification because 
we need all Africa regions to take all benefits and increase all regions 
knowledge and skills.

This is what I mean by my mail.

Finally welcome everyone has good plan for developing my country and all 
African countries.

Also all respect for community members.

Thank you





From: Sami Salih [mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Noah ; Ahmed Fadl 
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



Salam



I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows 
who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !

Looking for your positive continuous engagement.



BR



Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355



From: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net>; wafa 
Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



Dear Ahmed



First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am 
seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage 
in various discussions as a member of the community now.



So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to 
the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in 
general.



Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of 
AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC 
ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP 
association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the 
AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations 
because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is 
from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.



I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this 
community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use 
my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of 
the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have 
been used by some members of this community to attack my personal character, 
sometime as far as going after my employment just because of my personal views 
on various matters pertaining the African Internet Community. What I am trying 
to say is that, Wafa as a community member, just like me, so often speaks on 
her own personal capacity and I believe she has since clarified this to you and 
the community.



Therefore, I doubt its "bias"as you put it .. and my view of that email 
from her to you is basically an elections campaign for a candidate and 
candidates of her choice and in the end, her efforts seems to have paid off as 
some of the candidate she was supporting for the Northern Africa seat Dr.Habib 
ended up getting the highest votes ever of all candidates in the entire board 
elections. I was on the ground in Kampala and Habib did well also in terms of 
campaigning, so did other candidates and I can understand why he was Wafa's 
choice and and her strategy for the Northern Africa candidate for board 
election did indeed work. That is what good mobilization in campaigns does.



In

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Sami Salih]

Salam

I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows 
who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !
Looking for your positive continuous engagement.

BR

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Noah 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Dear Ahmed

First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am 
seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage 
in various discussions as a member of the community now.

So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to 
the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in 
general.

Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of 
AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC 
ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP 
association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the 
AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations 
because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is 
from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.

I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this 
community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use 
my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of 
the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have 
been used by some members of this community to attack my personal character, 
sometime as far as going after my employment just because of my personal views 
on various matters pertaining the African Internet Community. What I am trying 
to say is that, Wafa as a community member, just like me, so often speaks on 
her own personal capacity and I believe she has since clarified this to you and 
the community.

Therefore, I doubt its "bias"as you put it .. and my view of that email 
from her to you is basically an elections campaign for a candidate and 
candidates of her choice and in the end, her efforts seems to have paid off as 
some of the candidate she was supporting for the Northern Africa seat Dr.Habib 
ended up getting the highest votes ever of all candidates in the entire board 
elections. I was on the ground in Kampala and Habib did well also in terms of 
campaigning, so did other candidates and I can understand why he was Wafa's 
choice and and her strategy for the Northern Africa candidate for board 
election did indeed work. That is what good mobilization in campaigns does.

In fact just in the same elections, there was a very well coordinated campaign 
that involved among other things, mudslinging of a specific candidate by some 
members of the various constituencies within the community and this also 
perfectly OK. Folks can go as far as using print media and sometime private 
lobbying through mailing lists and chat rooms. Its the nature of politicking 
and campaigns are tough and sometimes they get ugly, after all, not all 
candidates are supposed to be liked by the entire electorate yet politicking 
still goes on. This is basically pure politics 101 and its perfectly acceptable 
and normal and as they say, politics is part of daily life and so many of us in 
this community have been party to this and its nothing new.

I submit to you that, being a member of, say, the AfriNIC appeals committee, or 
ASO-AC or GC ...you name it, does not stop someone from having their own 
subjective views nor does it stop them from being involved in community 
politics at a personal level. Remember above and beyond, we are all part of the 
Internet community before our various affiliations and after being party to 
these affiliations, we continue to be members of the internet community and 
remain in this community.

What really matters is respect for each other and how we treat each other even 
when we disagree because in the end, its through this politics that we progress 
as we continue to individually contribute, improve and resolve some of our 
challenges.

Cheers and I look forward to more engagement with you Mr.Ahmed.

Noah


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 2:17 PM Ahmed Fadl 
mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>> wrote:

Hi Wafa,





Thanks for your email.



I, among other members of AFRINIC in Egypt, received the following email from 
you many times.



I wondered at that time why should I vote for these candidates specially for 
those in Eastern and Southern regions while each one was the sole candidate in 
his region. I quote this from your email "Ladies and Gentlemen, in the context 
of our strategy " what is your strategy and who are you ?





If 

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Sami Salih]

So wafa use her public email too :-)

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From: Sander Steffann 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:27:55 PM
To: Sami Salih
Cc: Sander Steffann; Andrew Alston; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; 
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Hi Sami,

> I'm using a public email (outlook.com) not my official one (sustech.sd), 
> however my signature is MY signature I use it to show the people the ground 
> where I stand when I say something.

Exactly.
Sander

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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Sami Salih]

Sander,

I'm using a public email (outlook.com) not my official one (sustech.sd), 
however my signature is MY signature I use it to show the people the ground 
where I stand when I say something. If I signed as Lecturer in ICT then I say 
something about Football people should take it as coming from a football fan 
not from a professional in the field. Conversely, when I participate in 
something related to education people have to take my comments as serious as 
its coming from a professional in the field.
I hope the point is clear, signature(s) is used to wight the information stated 
in the message. Using official account is another thing.

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Sander Steffann 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 3:17 PM
To: Sami Salih
Cc: Andrew Alston; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

Hi Sami,

I see this email sent to individuals to support/campaign for some nominators 
(I'm not in agreement with all proposed names) who are among the public slat of 
AFRINIC candidates, IMHO any one is free to campaign. The undersigned signature 
represent the level of engagement of the sender in the community and gives the 
recipient more confident about her selection to the benefit of the community.

It also implies that those positions are relevant to the content of the 
message. I would be very surprised if some if those organisations mentioned 
agree with being drawn into an African election process. I'll be asking the 
RIPE delegates to the NRO AC about their involvement in this.

This is too far from sponsoring youth and educate them in a way that may push 
them to support/oppose something.

Indeed. This is a strong indication of a conflict of interest, while the 
actions of an independent foundation are not.

My personal signature as SUST employee did't mean my view i this email 
represent SUST!

Oh but it does. You are communicating using an official company template. If 
you are not speaking as an official representative you cannot use that template 
or you have to be very explicit that you are speaking only for yourself. 
Otherwise your message WILL be seen as a statement from an employee.

Cheers,
Sander

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[Sami Salih]

Do I need to remind you its not about the numbers,
I'm in an exam room with >200 student do you want me ask them to send +1 for 2 
Marks. (Just a hypothetical example I will never do that, but others may see 
nothing in acquiring support in such a way and call for that off-list).

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Andrew Alston 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 3:12 PM
To: Sami Salih; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: RE: AFRINIC Borad Elections


It won’t be read that way?



Well – the very fact that this email landed up on the list seems to imply 
otherwise – and the communications I’ve had off list – also seem to imply 
otherwise.  Jordi’s email (though Jordi can speak for himself!) also seems to 
imply that he believes this email portrays itself as an abuse of position.



So – won’t ever? Er I see at least 3 instances in the last few minutes ??



Andrew





From: Sami Salih 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:10
To: Andrew Alston ; Ahmed Fadl 
; wafa Dahmani ; 
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections



I'm sorry too to ask you read my email again, as stating the level of 
engagement is necessary for me to show how the sender are interested and 
participated in the community and who she has the needed knowledge about the 
individuals who are deserve to be elected. Stating the committees she is 
involved in will never has o be misunderstood as what you claim (But some 
people may need to read/think carefully before making any assumptions).

and I'm sorry again to tell you that your fair questions is trivial -sorry if 
its not a good word I'm not native- the answer is NO.







Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355



From: Andrew Alston 
mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:53 PM
To: Sami Salih; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; 
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: RE: AFRINIC Borad Elections



Sorry Sami,



But I fundamentally disagree with you.  When you use your position on community 
based bodies that are meant to maintain a position of neutrality to lobby in 
this manner – and state that it is “part of our strategy” – without specifying 
who – it implies that the strategy is that of one of the organizations that you 
signed for.



My problem with this email is NOT that lobbying was done – that is part and 
parcel of how elections (which are by nature political) occur – my problem is 
the implications of the representations made in this email – not just in the 
signature either – and the reference to “our strategy” – which could be read to 
imply a wider group with a specific strategy that is involved in an attempt at 
organizational capture (though I will not go so far as to say that this last 
implication is actually accurate)



If you lobby for a candidate – you either do so on your own behalf – or you do 
it at the behest of your employer or another group – and when the email is 
signed in the way that it is and prefixed the way that it is – it very 
definitely carries implications – and hence me asking if this is actually the 
position of those bodies – I want clarification from THEM as to their position 
vis-a-vie this email – and it is a fair question to ask – particularly when one 
of those bodies has to be in a position of total neutrality because they deal 
with appeals.



Thanks



Andrew





From: Sami Salih mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2019 14:47
To: Andrew Alston 
mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>>; 
Ahmed Fadl mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>>; wafa Dahmani 
mailto:wafatn7...@gmail.com>>; 
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections



Salam,



I see this email sent to individuals to support/campaign for some nominators 
(I'm not in agreement with all proposed names) who are among the public slat of 
AFRINIC candidates, IMHO any one is free to campaign. The undersigned signature 
represent the level of engagement of the sender in the community and gives the 
recipient more confident about her selection to the benefit of the community. 
This is too far from sponsoring youth and educate them in a way that may push 
them to support/oppose something.

My personal signature as SUST employee did't mean my view i this email 
represent SUST!



BR



Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355



From: Andrew Alston 
mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:28 

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Sami Salih]

I'm sorry too to ask you read my email again, as stating the level of 
engagement is necessary for me to show how the sender are interested and 
participated in the community and who she has the needed knowledge about the 
individuals who are deserve to be elected. Stating the committees she is 
involved in will never has o be misunderstood as what you claim (But some 
people may need to read/think carefully before making any assumptions).
and I'm sorry again to tell you that your fair questions is trivial -sorry if 
its not a good word I'm not native- the answer is NO.



Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Andrew Alston 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:53 PM
To: Sami Salih; Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: RE: AFRINIC Borad Elections


Sorry Sami,



But I fundamentally disagree with you.  When you use your position on community 
based bodies that are meant to maintain a position of neutrality to lobby in 
this manner – and state that it is “part of our strategy” – without specifying 
who – it implies that the strategy is that of one of the organizations that you 
signed for.



My problem with this email is NOT that lobbying was done – that is part and 
parcel of how elections (which are by nature political) occur – my problem is 
the implications of the representations made in this email – not just in the 
signature either – and the reference to “our strategy” – which could be read to 
imply a wider group with a specific strategy that is involved in an attempt at 
organizational capture (though I will not go so far as to say that this last 
implication is actually accurate)



If you lobby for a candidate – you either do so on your own behalf – or you do 
it at the behest of your employer or another group – and when the email is 
signed in the way that it is and prefixed the way that it is – it very 
definitely carries implications – and hence me asking if this is actually the 
position of those bodies – I want clarification from THEM as to their position 
vis-a-vie this email – and it is a fair question to ask – particularly when one 
of those bodies has to be in a position of total neutrality because they deal 
with appeals.



Thanks



Andrew





From: Sami Salih 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2019 14:47
To: Andrew Alston ; Ahmed Fadl 
; wafa Dahmani ; 
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections



Salam,



I see this email sent to individuals to support/campaign for some nominators 
(I'm not in agreement with all proposed names) who are among the public slat of 
AFRINIC candidates, IMHO any one is free to campaign. The undersigned signature 
represent the level of engagement of the sender in the community and gives the 
recipient more confident about her selection to the benefit of the community. 
This is too far from sponsoring youth and educate them in a way that may push 
them to support/oppose something.

My personal signature as SUST employee did't mean my view i this email 
represent SUST!



BR



Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355



From: Andrew Alston 
mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:28 PM
To: Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; 
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



This email raises so many questions.



While as I have clearly stated – I do not have ANY problem with anyone lobbying 
on behalf of candidates and their beliefs – however – I have serious issues 
when other groups that are meant to be neutral start doing this.



As such, I need some clarity based on the signatures of the email.



  1.  Is this email representative of the ASO /AC ‘s view
  2.  Is this email representative of the combined view of the AFRINIC Appeal 
committee – and how does that align with the neutrality that is meant to exist 
in such a committee.
  3.  Is this email representative of the views of Global IGF?



I really hope not – but – I have to ask – since that is what the email was 
signed as.



Thanks



Andrew





From: Ahmed Fadl mailto:ahmed.f...@57357.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2019 14:15
To: wafa Dahmani mailto:wafatn7...@gmail.com>>; 
Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



Hi Wafa,





Thanks for your email.



I, among other members of AFRINIC in Egypt, received the following email from 
you many times.



I wondered at that time why should I vote for these candidates specially for 
those in Eastern and Southern regions while each one was the sole candidate in 
his region. I quote this from your email "L

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Sami Salih]

Salam,

I see this email sent to individuals to support/campaign for some nominators 
(I'm not in agreement with all proposed names) who are among the public slat of 
AFRINIC candidates, IMHO any one is free to campaign. The undersigned signature 
represent the level of engagement of the sender in the community and gives the 
recipient more confident about her selection to the benefit of the community. 
This is too far from sponsoring youth and educate them in a way that may push 
them to support/oppose something.
My personal signature as SUST employee did't mean my view i this email 
represent SUST!

BR

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Andrew Alston 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:28 PM
To: Ahmed Fadl; wafa Dahmani; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections


This email raises so many questions.



While as I have clearly stated – I do not have ANY problem with anyone lobbying 
on behalf of candidates and their beliefs – however – I have serious issues 
when other groups that are meant to be neutral start doing this.



As such, I need some clarity based on the signatures of the email.



  1.  Is this email representative of the ASO /AC ‘s view
  2.  Is this email representative of the combined view of the AFRINIC Appeal 
committee – and how does that align with the neutrality that is meant to exist 
in such a committee.
  3.  Is this email representative of the views of Global IGF?



I really hope not – but – I have to ask – since that is what the email was 
signed as.



Thanks



Andrew





From: Ahmed Fadl 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2019 14:15
To: wafa Dahmani ; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections



Hi Wafa,





Thanks for your email.



I, among other members of AFRINIC in Egypt, received the following email from 
you many times.



I wondered at that time why should I vote for these candidates specially for 
those in Eastern and Southern regions while each one was the sole candidate in 
his region. I quote this from your email "Ladies and Gentlemen, in the context 
of our strategy " what is your strategy and who are you ?





If you are talking about biasing the community, So, do you consider your email 
as a "member of the appeal committee; ASO / AC excom member and Ex Chair of 
Governance Committee '(GC) at AFRINIC." fall under what ?



I sent this mail many time but I don’t know why I can’t find this mail on 
community





Thanks,



Ahmed Fadl





From: wafa Dahmani [mailto:wafatn7...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:05 PM
To: wafa Dahmani mailto:wafatn7...@gmail.com>>
Subject: AFRINIC Borad Elections







Dear,

 My name is Wafa Dahmani from Tunisia, an active member of the African 
community and more specifically AFRINIC: member of the appeal committee; ASO / 
AC excom member and Ex Chair of Governance Committee '(GC) at AFRINIC.
I contact you to solicit your votes for the following candidates:

Board of Directors:
North Africa (seat 1)

  *   Habin Youssef

West Africa (seat 2)

  *   Ly Ousmane

South Africa (seat 5)

  *   Mpisane Vika William

East Africa (seat 6)

  *   Nkusi Robert Ford

Non-regional (seat 7)

  *   Eshun Benjamin Adzenyamebeye



Election Number Resource Organization Number Council

  *   Mustapha Ben Jemaa

Election Policy Development Working Group

  *   Komi Elitcha
  *   Sami Hassan

Election Governance Committee

  *   Daniel Nanghaka

Ladies and Gentlemen, in the context of our strategy  and in order to preserve 
AFRINIC's interests for Africa and to be able to choose the right candidates 
for North Africa in the long term, it is desirable to join all our efforts and 
vote for these candidates who presents the best choice for an adequate board

the de facto vote online through your interface with AFRINIC is very simple for 
all categories except the policy development Working group where we want you to 
mobilize your teams on the spot to vote for our candidates
We strongly solicit your support

Thank you

Wafa Dahmani

member AFRINIC Appeal Committee
Global IGF MAG member
ASO / AC excom member
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Larus foundation fellowship

[Sami Salih]

Salam,

If I remember well, the colonists also came to "help".

To help someone/nation you need to be humble enough to give them the abstract 
things (Materials in this case), especially when dealing with young/fresh 
fellows. I believe from my long teaching experience that its much better to 
pass the abstract level of the knowledge so that student can use his own 
brain/logic to drawn the conclusion based on his logic. Giving youth ready made 
conclusions to just parroting others logic is much harming. Increasing the 
population at AFRINIC meeting is not a goal.
To show the good well of the fellowship providers, its much better to involve 
AFRINIC in the process from selection throw education and then effectively 
contribute to the meeting. This is the only way to assure sustainable, 
valuable, and trusted contributions and  to build a real "bottom-up", "Open", 
and "Transparent" process in a real democratic way.

Those who are in my age may remember this "no separation for one nation down 
down colonization"



Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

From: Ousmane M. TESSA 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 11:17 AM
To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC List
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Larus foundation fellowship


A+  Jordi!

As an academic, most useful educational materials to leraners community have to 
be FAIR (findable accessible interoperable and reusable)!

So selective use of filtered and uncorrect "quoted" opinions have a flavour of 
... project!

Those who say that they come as samaritain to "help" must bear in mind that 
AfriNIC community is more agile and smart than they think!

RESPECT! RESPECT! "Shouting is not a act of vitality"!

Dr Ousmane TESSA


JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> a écrit :

Actually, I think this is something to be done by Afrinic, with the help of PDP 
chairs and policy proposal authors. The goal is not to convince them about 
*any* policy proposal, just to have more open time for openly discussing them, 
and mainly oriented to newcomers, but not only.









I’ve actually suggested (several times) for the last couple of years, some of 
those activities, that I’ve suggested as well in other RIRs and have been 
implemented already, with a great success. Up to now, it has never been done, 
despite how much I’ve insisted (staff and co-chairs can confirm that I’ve once 
and again provided lots of those ideas).









Here is a copy & paste of an email about that with the staff:









… concrete actions some of the in every meeting:







1) Setting up open sessions for discussion with policy proposal authors. 
The idea is that all the authors (willing to contribute) have a short 
explanation of each policy proposal (no slides, a common slide with titles of 
all policy proposals just for reference), and they can discuss openly with the 
participants. There is not any decision process here.









In order to plan agenda, I suggest doing this after the session for 
newcomers and/or sponsored fellows, same meeting room, so the people don't need 
to move, make it as easier as possible for them. In LACNIC we did that on 
Sunday evening because most of the folks travel on the morning. Distances and 
flights aren't the same in this region, so we should consider that.







2) Setting up specific tables for lunch for the same. Similar to above, so 
people with interest or questions about policy proposal, can sit down with 
authors to have a more open discussion.







3) Group Dynamics. Take newcomers and other people interested in the PDP. 
One morning before the policy-day. Create 3-4 small groups depending on how 
many folks participate (may be more if there are more people, but you need one 
staff or co-chair for each group), and each group should work in 
"understanding" a different policy proposal, looking for pros-cons, and trying 
to "develop" consensus on it and then presenting shortly their results to all 
the groups. The idea is that they get used to the process and can bring their 
views to the policy day. As the previous ones, this is not a formal part of the 
PDP. But in LACNIC has been useful because new people get engaged in the list 
and in the mics of the meeting.















Regards,



Jordi



@jordipalet





















El 2/7/19 20:55, "Noah" mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> escribió:















On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 17:11 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss, 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote:









When anyone present a summary of a policy proposal (which has been done already 
by the authors) you’re directly or indirectly doing your own analysis and 
arguing for or against based on your own perspective. This is influencing 
participants, it can be never 100% unbiassed.



+1 Jordi

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Board approves new election process and guidelines

[Sami Salih]

ب، حيث إن ذلك ينتهك شروط البند 
(10) بأن تُكون لجنة الانتخاب من طاقم العمل.
يمكن التحقق من التوكيلات حتى قبل (24) ساعة من الانتخاب وفقًا للممارسات السابقة.
ينتهي التصويت الإلكتروني في الوقت نفسه الذي ينتهي فيه التصويت بالأوراق وفقًا 
للممارسات السابقة.
يضم التصويت الإلكتروني ثلاثة أوصياء فقط، وليس أربعة وفقًا للممارسة السابقة.
تُعلن النتائج بالعدد الكامل للأصوات الخاصة بكل خيار.

وتفضلوا بقبول فائق الاحترام والتقدير،
آلان باريت
الرئيس التنفيذي، نيابةً عن مجلس إدارة المركز الأفريقي لمعلومات الشبكة



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Sudan University of Science and Technology
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Re: [Community-Discuss] How are research projects selected at AFRINIC?

[Sami Salih]

Dear Amreesh,

Thank you very much for this informative reply, I really appreciate what have 
be do in R, however as ex-Head of R at the Telecom regulatory of my country 
I want to see more engagement with policy oprganizations to fill the gap in 
policy related research studies. I may refer back to you with some ToR.

BR

 Original Message -
From: Amreesh Phokeer 
To: s...@tpra.gov.sd
Cc: community-discuss@afrinic.net
Sent: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 13:37:13 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: How are research projects selected at AFRINIC?

Dear Sami,

Following our remote presentation on the Research and Innovation (R) 
Department update, you and some other delegates had some questions which I 
would try to answer on the list; perhaps this could spark more 
discussions/recommendations on the activities of AFRINIC Research.

Questions from the audience at AFRINIC-29:

   What is the methodology for selecting research projects?  
We try, as much as possible, to work on research projects that will help 
formulate policies that can have a positive impact on the development of the 
Internet ecosystem in Africa. Research projects are therefore selected based on 
the mutual interest from AFRINIC Research partners and on potential impact it 
can bring.
Example of a policy brief, based on a research study:
<https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3269710>

  Whether AFRINIC Research team takes feedback from the community on 
research needed and how does the research benefit the community with regards to 
issues faced by the community?  
We gather feedback based on the discussions we have during our meetings. For 
e.g. we presented a city-to-city latency analysis as a follow-up of the Africa 
Latency study at AFPIF, this year, based on requests we received on the 
microphone.  In the future, we intend to run a survey to get more detailed 
feedback on the needs of the community in terms of research. The team will 
launch an “Internet Measurement Awareness Survey” early next year to understand 
the “Internet measurement needs" of the community.

   Is AFRINIC involved in research with regards to marketing and regulatory 
aspects?  
AFRINIC is definitely interested in understanding the dynamics of the ISP 
market and how it is influenced by the regulations in different countries. We 
have not done any research work on this aspect as at now, but this is a topic 
in which Research ICT Africa has a good expertise, we may consider collaborate 
with them in the future. 

You will find all research output from the R team in the last two years at 
this link:
<https://afrinic.net/research>

We also worked on a proof-of-concept of a data portal, which contains 
information such as IPv6 penetration, ISP market share, etc. Extending this 
platform is one of our main projects in 2019:

World Internet Data ExplorER (WIDER) Project
<http://wider.isoc.org.za>

Hope this helps. Please send any suggestions, research ideas, etc to AFRINIC 
Labs 

Kind regards,


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Re: [Community-Discuss] Filling Board Casual vacancies: Call for Public Comments

[Sami Salih]

Dear chair,
Serving as a director at AFRINIC means serving the community, if someone has 
hidden agenda from the beginning how we as a community trust him 
to be open, fairness in addressing the community issues. So +1 to disqualified 
those who decided to hide them self.
Regards.


- Original Message -
From: John Walu 
To: Bope Christian 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Sent: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 12:38:17 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Filling Board Casual vacancies: Call for 
Public Comments

Thnx Chair for your continued guidance during this transition period.

I am just a bit concerned about the candidates who chose NOT to disclose
their Identity.  What are the chances that they will actually be selected
as Directors...given that the final decision is purely done by the Board
and not the community?

In any case, shouldn't the candidates who chose not to disclose their
identity be disqualified based on your Phase 1 process (bullet 3) which
states as follows:

**Candidates will be required to consent to their information being
published*

Will be glad to hear your views on this.

walu.


On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 11:56 AM Bope Christian 
wrote:

>
> [version français ci-dessous]
>
> Dear AFRINIC members and community,
>
> The AFRINIC Board has decided on a process for filling the vacant seats in
> the Board of Directors.  The process is published at <
> https://afrinic.net/images/afrinic-director-selection-process-20180628-en.pdf
> >.
>
> 20 expressions of interest have been received, but not all of the
> interested persons have confirmed their consent for publication of their CV
> and other information.  Information about those who have consented is
> published at <https://afrinic.net/bod183>.  Information about the
> remaining persons will be added if they consent.
>
> The Board invites comments on their suitability for appointment as
> Directors of AFRINIC, via the web form at  <https://afrinic.net/bod183>.
>
> Comments should be submitted no later than 10 July 2018, 12: 00 UTC.
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Christian D. Bope, PhD
> Chairman, AFRINIC Board
>
> . . .
>
> [français]
>
> Chers membres et communauté d'AFRINIC,
>
> Le Conseil d'administration d'AFRINIC a décidé d'un processus pour
> pourvoir les sièges vacants au sein du Conseil d'administration. Le
> processus est publié à l'adresse <
> https://afrinic.net/images/afrinic-director-selection-process-20180628-en.pdf
> >
>
> 20 manifestations d'intérêt ont été reçues, mais toutes les personnes
> intéressées n'ont pas confirmé leur consentement à la publication de leur
> CV et d'autres informations. Les informations sur ceux qui ont consenti
> sont publiées sur <https://afrinic.net/bod183>. Des informations sur les
> personnes restantes seront ajoutées si elles y consentent.
>
> Le Conseil sollicite des commentaires sur leur aptitude à être nommé
> Directeur d'AFRINIC, via le formulaire en ligne à l'adresse  <
> https://afrinic.net/bod183>.
>
>  Les commentaires doivent être soumis au plus tard le 10 Juillet 2018, 12:
> 00 UTC.
>
> Cordialement,
> Christian D. Bope, PhD
> Président du Conseil d’Administration d’AFRINIC
>
>
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Bad news

[Sami Salih]

Take it easy Mr. Alston 
In some African culture, satan is used as an adjective to describe some 
behavior, in is some cases it even has positive meaning, but you need to be 
real African to got the meaning. 
please try to respect the diversity of the Africans, and don't always refer the 
the meanings used outside out continent. 


From: "Andrew Alston" <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> 
To: "Alan Barrett" <alan.barr...@afrinic.net>, "Marcus K. G. Adomey" 
<mado...@hotmail.com> 
Cc: "community-discuss" <community-discuss@afrinic.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 2:42:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Bad news 



I’m sorry Alan, 



But I am nothing short of appalled that you can equate the sharing of what is 
VALID concern to this community and the RIR system – a situation that was 
created by AFRINIC – because no one else created it – with openly calling a 
member SATAN is just – absolutely mind blowing. 



Your message seems to imply that sharing legitimate concern and telling AFRINIC 
(referring to not just the corporate entity but the entire body, including this 
community) to get its act into gear is provocation that some how justifies 
calling someone SATAN 



This is shocking 



Andrew 






From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barr...@afrinic.net] 
Sent: 09 May 2018 13:39 
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <mado...@hotmail.com> 
Cc: community-discuss@afrinic.net 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Bad news 




Dear Marcus, Dear Sander, 

In my opinion, the message from Marcus is a personal attack which is against 
the code of conduct. However, I understand that Marcus felt provoked by 
Sander’s message, which I think was unnecessary. (Both messages are copied 
below.) 

I ask you both to be more careful of what you post. 

Alan Barrett 
CEO, AFRINIC 


> On 9 May 2018, at 09:15, Marcus K. G. Adomey < [ mailto:mado...@hotmail.com | 
> mado...@hotmail.com ] > wrote: 
> 
> Sander, 
> 
> I am not surprise you are that you are sharing the "BAD NEWS" about the mess 
> you and your friends from RIPE and ARIN are causing in AfriNIC in Community. 
> This is a clear evidence that you are deploying your strategy to destroy 
> AfriNIC. This is wicked and would come from EVIL GUYS like you and your 
> friends. Well, any search for SATAN should stop when you are met because 
> there is no difference between you and SATAN. You shameless people, leave us 
> (the sheep) alone for us to fix the mess you have created in this community. 
> Disgraced bad guys from RIPE and ARIN community. 
> 
> 
> 
> Marcus 
> 
> From: Sander Steffann < [ mailto:san...@steffann.nl | san...@steffann.nl ] > 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 6:50:38 AM 
> To: [ mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net | community-discuss@afrinic.net ] 
> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Bad news 
> 
> Hello community, 
> 
> I just noticed that the problems in Afrinic have reached the outside world 
> beyond our community: [ 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/08/afrinic_sexual_harassment/ | 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/08/afrinic_sexual_harassment/ ] 
> 
> It makes me really sad. It also poses a great risk to the future of the 
> bottom up self regulation system we (speaking of all the RIRs) have built. 
> Afrinic must get its act together and show the world that it is a 
> respectable, reliable and fair organisation with broad support from its 
> members. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Sander 
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