Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Owen DeLong]

The best way to empower useful work is to move forward with IPv6.

Owen


> On Dec 5, 2019, at 03:02 , Sunday Folayan  wrote:
> 
> Isn't it time to address Legacy space issues, specifically ancient squatters 
> on spaces meant to develop the Internet in Africa, AfriNIC Services and 
> bringing legacy spaces under some form of RSA?
> 
> I urge the community to think beyond the sensation and let us see how to help 
> and empower the people doing useful work for Africa.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Sunday.
> 
> On 04/12/2019 6:23 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>> I hope you all will take the time to read and think about the following
>> news story.
>> 
>> https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/330379-how-internet-resources-worth-r800-million-were-stolen-and-sold-on-the-black-market.html
>>  I will have more to say about this in due course.  For the moment, I only
>> wish to say that the investigation undertaken by myself and Jan Vermeulen
>> is ongoing, and that many others are provably involved.
>>Regards,
>> rfg
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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Mark Tinka]

On 6/Dec/19 15:42, Omo Oaiya wrote:
>
> Now, I am sure you are deliberately trying to be sensational :-).   Don’t 
> detract from the usefulness of your efforts with the hounding.
>
> Sunday already gave you good advice.   These are questions for AFRINIC the 
> company rather than AFRINIC the community.Send such questions to the CEO 
> and keep the community in the loop.   I speak for myself but I am sure 
> everyone is interested in the outcome.

Good advice is, clearly, hard to take.

Mark.

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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message , 
Omo Oaiya  wrote:

>I read from the press link you shared and on the member's list that
>AFRINIC is conducting an internal investigation as would be expected and
>that it will be concluded shortly.

Swell.  When?

Give me a date certain by which this matter will receive a full and
formal response from the board or the CEO.

May the membership and the community expect a concrete response on this
matter by, say, Saint Valentine's Day, 2020?  By Nelson Mandela Day, 2020?
Later?

More to the point, can you tell me when Mr. Byaruhanga's currently scheduled
last day on the job will be?  Can you tell me whether he still has unfettered
read/write access to the WHOIS data base as we speak?


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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message , Andrew Alston  wrote:

>This doesn't add up - if an auditor is resigning - the number of times you
>see that happen in the market is so few and far between, and in almost every
>case I have found looking into this - it signified a massive and profound
>problem - because by resigning - in my view - the auditor is sending a signal
>to the members - either they cannot evaluate the risk and be able to state
>that the company will be a viable going concern going forward - or - they
>were in a position where even the qualification of the report was not an
>option.  This is NOT something any auditor will do lightly - ever - and it
>is absolutely incumbent on the board as per the bylaws to diligently and
>without delay seek those reasons and disclose them.

>The appointment
>of new auditors is NOT a risk mitigation or a risk elimination - the risks
>that caused PWC to walk are very clearly still present - this community has
>a right to know what those are.

For whatever little it may be worth, I am in complete agreement with Mr.
Alston on the above points.

There is something very very wrong if the auditor fires its own client.
Whatever it is, it will come out eventually, either through leaks or
otherwise.  The Board would be well advised to get out in front of this,
as painful or embarassing as doing so may be.   Opacity with respect to
whatever funny business has gone on with the company books is simply not
an option.  The cards will be laid face up on the table, either with or
without the consent of the board.  The only choices available to the
individual board members are to either be part of the solution or to be
judged as having been a part of the problem.


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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[ousmane]

Please ISabel, go ahead for the sake of clarity and transparency!

As community, it's better to seek "healing this terrible wound" ASAP  
for the credibility of AfriNIC. And, for that every contribution is  
essential as if at all it helps to understand better the problem!


But, all this will be irrelevant in lack of an "official statement"  
from the appropriate(s) bodies of AfriNIC!


All the best

Ousmane


"Ronald F. Guilmette"  a écrit :


In message <6fbc0020-6ee7-4e6b-8573-ac5aa52b9...@gmail.com>,
Isabel Odida  wrote:


I know what sparked this story.


If you have something to say, then you have our attention and the floor.
Please proceed.


Regards,
rfg

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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Omo Oaiya]

> On 6 Dec 2019, at 13:16, Ronald F. Guilmette  wrote:
> 
> In message <14bbab93-2e14-4338-81c4-87b8fecef...@wacren.net>, 
> Omo Oaiya  wrote:
> 
>> On a serious note, we need a proper investigation.  Let's
>> wait to hear from the CEO
> 
> Have any of us been doing otherwise, for lo these past three months now?
> 
> Have we been afforded any other choice in the matter?

I am not sure why you seem to be on the defensive.   You have made some pretty 
damning allegations and provided some data to support them.  No one wants 
AFRINIC resources stolen by anyone so every sane person would be appreciative 
and want to get to the bottom of the matter.

> 
> Can AFRINIC clean its own stables?
> 


I read from the press link you shared and on the member's list that AFRINIC is 
conducting an internal investigation as would be expected and that it will be 
concluded shortly.  

We have a new CEO and as far as I understand from the members list, the 
investigation has external support from a sister RIR.  Unless you have evidence 
to suggest otherwise, I believe AFRINIC will sort this out and await the 
outcome.

Omo


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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Andrew Alston]

I also have significant concerns about what was said here.

Fact - the issue of stolen IP address space was raised with AfriNIC - AFTER 
Alan left - and a block was recovered.  I have email trails and personally had 
conversations with board members post the leaving of the former CEO about this.
Fact - the board tried to put this issue all on the former CEO - they were 
aware of the issue long before the latest article - to say otherwise - can be 
easily disproved.

Furthermore - in the board report in relation to the auditors - I acknowledge 
the boards right to appoint new auditors to fill a casual vacancy.  I find it 
very difficult to reconcile though why, if they have a letter, that simply 
makes vague reference to a risk, that resulted in the resignation of an audit 
firm - with nothing more in the letter than that, why this board refuses to 
share said letter with this community.  Is it not the right of the community to 
understand and see the risks stated by the auditors the members appointed?

In addition to this - The law lays out a very clear way in which an auditor can 
resign - it is entirely in their rights to resign - however - reasons must be 
given - and the process for the auditor to resign post appointment is very 
different from the process under which they choose not to be re-appointed - 
they do not have to give any reasons for not wanting to be reappointed - 
providing they give 28 days notice before the AGMM.  This was not done - so why 
is the board - if as they claim - sitting without reasons - not enforcing the 
companies act to get clarification on those reasons - is a risk that is so 
substantial as to require an auditor to resign - not substantial enough to 
justify far more than a polite request which as they claim is going 
unacknowledged?

This doesn't add up - if an auditor is resigning - the number of times you see 
that happen in the market is so few and far between, and in almost every case I 
have found looking into this - it signified a massive and profound problem - 
because by resigning - in my view - the auditor is sending a signal to the 
members - either they cannot evaluate the risk and be able to state that the 
company will be a viable going concern going forward - or - they were in a 
position where even the qualification of the report was not an option.  This is 
NOT something any auditor will do lightly - ever - and it is absolutely 
incumbent on the board as per the bylaws to diligently and without delay seek 
those reasons and disclose them.

Section 3 of the bylaws mandates the board to communicate on all matters 
relevant to the company - and quite frankly, if the board doesn't have the 
answers as to why the auditors left - it is their duty to go and FIND those 
reasons - and if need be compel a statement on those reasons - and then 
communicate it to this community.  To simply bury the issue by saying they are 
appointing another auditor - doesn't cut it - the answers have to be supplied - 
what was so bad that the auditors couldn't continue

As Wayne said - over the last few years, we have seen scandal after scandal 
with AfriNIC - and each time - there is another one on the horizon.  Yes we 
have a new CEO - and yes - I applaud him for trying here - but unfortunately - 
this community has over the last 2 years seen enough that the time for 
platitudes and telling us to wait a little longer is over.   The time for 
answers is now.  As for hearing Afrinic is following the law about appointing 
the auditors - we get that - no one disputes that - however - that doesn't 
answer the fundamental question - why will the board not disclose the 
resignation letter - and if the resignation letter does not detail the risks - 
why has the board not attempted to compel the answers.   The appointment of new 
auditors is NOT a risk mitigation or a risk elimination - the risks that caused 
PWC to walk are very clearly still present - this community has a right to know 
what those are.


Andrew


From: Wayne Diamond 
Sent: Friday, 6 December 2019 14:30
To: Ronald F. Guilmette ; General Discussions of 
AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

Hi

The problem I seem to be having at the moment with AfriNic is that is seems to 
be stumbling from one crisis to the next crisis with promises made by both the 
board and the new CEO to investigate/ report back/ resolve/ mediate etc.

I accept that the new CEO tenure has just started and that he has to figure out 
what is happening in these muddy waters and the CEO has given his undertaking 
to the community to investigate / report back and given a multitude commitments 
but the reality is that that these communication seem to have almost dried up.

There have been so many issues brought up by various people relating to 
everything from theft to corporate governance at AfriNic that the community can 
no longer wait for the odd communication from the CEO and/ or Board and that we 
the community are now

Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message , 
Sunday Folayan  wrote:

>If I have sounded off-key, please accept my sincere apologies...

Not at all, and no apologies are either needed or warranted.


Regards,
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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Wayne Diamond]

Hi

The problem I seem to be having at the moment with AfriNic is that is seems to 
be stumbling from one crisis to the next crisis with promises made by both the 
board and the new CEO to investigate/ report back/ resolve/ mediate etc.

I accept that the new CEO tenure has just started and that he has to figure out 
what is happening in these muddy waters and the CEO has given his undertaking 
to the community to investigate / report back and given a multitude commitments 
but the reality is that that these communication seem to have almost dried up.

There have been so many issues brought up by various people relating to 
everything from theft to corporate governance at AfriNic that the community can 
no longer wait for the odd communication from the CEO and/ or Board and that we 
the community are now needing the CEO / Board to start providing more regular & 
constant updates that would show that we as a community should trust or should 
begin to trust the CEO / Board that these issues are being handled correctly, 
legally and without fear or favour. 

We seem to constantly be told that there are investigations happening but never 
seem to be given clear completion dates nor seem to be given answers after 
completion of said investigations. Investigation seem to be forever ongoing 
with no clear deadline for completion or extension of deadline if not complete 
by said date.

Every issue always seems to be confidential, yet the community is not clearly 
informed of outcomes of these investigations and that in itself is where the 
issue of trust starts failing.

As there are so many issues that seem to be ongoing, I would ask if the CEO / 
Board would start sending out regular communications at least twice monthly on 
updates / outcomes of any issues that are outstanding. These don't have to be 
long but could cover various points under review.

In my opinion, communication and trust is what is missing at the moment, these 
need to be restored by the CEO/Board 


Wayne








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From: Ronald F. Guilmette  
Sent: 06 December 2019 01:17 PM
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

In message <14bbab93-2e14-4338-81c4-87b8fecef...@wacren.net>,
Omo Oaiya  wrote:

>On a serious note, we need a proper investigation.  Let's wait to hear 
>from the CEO

Have any of us been doing otherwise, for lo these past three months now?

Have we been afforded any other choice in the matter?

Can AFRINIC clean its own stables?


Regards,
rfg

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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message <14bbab93-2e14-4338-81c4-87b8fecef...@wacren.net>, 
Omo Oaiya  wrote:

>On a serious note, we need a proper investigation.  Let's
>wait to hear from the CEO

Have any of us been doing otherwise, for lo these past three months now?

Have we been afforded any other choice in the matter?

Can AFRINIC clean its own stables?


Regards,
rfg

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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message <79ff870d-157f-424f-b4b7-7f425550b...@consulintel.es>, 
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ  wrote:

>I also believe that he is a smart guy.

I would not dispute that characterization in the slightest.

>So, put yourself in the position of 
>a smart guy that want to do something bad. Do you think you will use your o
>wn name for registering companies, or instead you will bribe someone,=C2=A0
> may be a friend (but not family) to avoid your family name to appear in an
>y documents? I feel this is really silly and non-understandable.

And yet it seemed to work, for years on end, with no one raising so much
as an eyebrow because nobody seriously investigated or seriously looked
at all of the relevant corporate documents and WHOIS records and, in
particular, the historical WHOIS records, including but not limited to
these ones:

ORG-AI2-AFRINIC https://pastebin.com/raw/7rqfP1LD
ORG-AISL1-AFRINIC   https://pastebin.com/raw/Nx79QkgB
ORG-IA41-AFRINIChttps://pastebin.com/raw/ynEXMyCP
ORG-ZZ139-AFRINIC   https://pastebin.com/raw/GX5egcbW
ORG-ZZ23-AFRINIChttps://pastebin.com/raw/Yu8K9z6N

I have been chasing down miscreants on the Internet for more than 20 years
now.  One of the lessons I have learned in that time is that none of them
are ten feet tall, and the majority of them absolutely suck at OPSEC.  It
is almost as if some part of them is deluding their own brains into the
false belief that what they are doing is not really wrong, in some
sense, and that they are somehow actually entitled to the stuff they are
stealing, and that thus, at some level, they don't actually need to hide
what they are doing all that throughly, because just as White House Chief
of Staff Mick Mulvaney did not long ago... much to the shock of everyone...
if they are ever caught and confronted they assume that they will just say
"Yea.  So?  We do that all of the time.  Get over it!"

>So maybe
>somebody used him, which doesn=E2=80=99t mean he is still guilty =E2=80=9Cin
>vigilando=E2=80=9D because he trusted anyone else, or something similar.

It's a nice thought, and you are a generous person to allow this possibility
Jordi.  All I can say is that other information, not yet made public,
appears to rule out the possibility that Mr. Byaruhanga was either an
unwitting stooge or a convenient fall guy.

>Do we believe in =E2=80=9Cpresumption of innocence=E2=80=9D? I do, despite 
>documents. If you don=E2=80=99t know the complete background, documents may
>not be enough.

I agree.

That having been said, I hope that you will, as I have, spend some time
carefully scrutinizing both the current and historical WHOIS records
associated with the ORGanizations and the IPv4 blocks listed in the two
tables in Jan's article.  If you do that, I think that you will be, as
I was, hard pressed to explain all of the quite glaring anomalies in
any way that does not involve a great deal of very deliberate malfesance
on somebody's part.  Once you are convinced of that, then the question
becomes:  Who is responsible?  And it is at that point that the various
official governmental corporate registration records would seem to become
very relevant.

>So, I will like to request to Ernest, to provide a clear explanation, and
>may be publicly recognize what (if any) have been his mistakes and involvement
>an all this.

I would like to echo that sentiment.

Jan Vermeulen and myself have tried, repeatedly, and over some significant
time now to reach him, both via voice, at a number of different phone numbers
that we have identified as being associated with him, and also via email,
at various of his known email addresses, and we have been utterly unable to
do so.  We both very much look forward to speaking with him and getting his
side of the story, if he has one.

That having been said, we cannot be blamed, I think, for reaching certain
reasonable conclusions when Jan's industry sources informed him, less than
a day after I had attempted to confront Ernest, via email, with the facts
arrayed against him, that he had abruptly resigned his position at AFRINIC
after 15 years on the job.

His abrupt resignation was and remains his only apparent response to our
inquiries.


Regards,
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[Sunday Folayan]

Dear Mr Guilmette,

On 06/12/2019 11:07, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

Mr. Folayan,

Let me begin by saying that I greatly apperciate your thoughtful response.

At the moment, I have only a few brief comments to add, above and beyond
what I have already said and what Jan Vermeulen has already written.


In message <4ad77d37-f1d5-04a2-86bd-79802faeb...@gmail.com>,
Sunday Folayan  wrote:


I am sure you want to see the issues addressed, and not that we should
conduct a requiem mass for AFRINIC right away. The former is much more
honourable and deserves the support of every right-thinking stakeholder.
It is the later that I seek to ensure is not your intention.

Please allow me to give you my most sincere assurances about that.

Neither I nor Jan Vermeulen have either any intention or any wish to see
the demise or disappearance of AFRINIC.  That is quite certainly not a
goal for either of us, and as far as I am concerned, at least, is, as
you have said, not even something that any right-thinking stakeholder
should wish for.  AFRINIC is and has been an integral part of global
Internet governance.  I cannot even envision things as being otherwise.
No rational man would tear down an entire house at the first sign of a
few cracks in the foundation, nor even at the second.  And to use an
even move vivid analogy, I cannot, at present, envision the ongoing
smooth functioning on the global Internet without AFRINIC any more than
I can envision a horse deprived of one leg galloping across the plains.

If I had been present and involved back in 2004, when AFRINIC was being
formed, I have no doubt that I would almost certainly have suggested
that some things might be done differently, but that ship has already
sailed, a long long time ago, and by my own choice I wasn't on it, being
preoccupied, as I was, elsewhere.  Now I may stand on the comfortable
shore and express some disagreement about the direction of travel, but
I do not question the utility of the journey.

The problems that I and Jan have brought to light are, I think, matters
of implementation and not of fundamental design or purpose.  Time will
tell if that is an accurate assesment.



This is most assuring and comforting at the same time.

If I have sounded off-key, please accept my sincere apologies, and thank 
you very much for the good job you have done for the community so far. 
History will never forget your role and progressive disposition at this 
point in time.


When AfriNIC was being formed, the challenges of today, were not 
envisioned in the very many ways that they now present themselves. 
Africa has come a long way. Unfortunately, there are still many more 
oceans to cross, but we will all band together as a purposeful fleet. 
That is how we can all weather the storms that may come, but sure they 
will come.


With kind Regards ...

Sunday.



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[Omo Oaiya]

> On 6 Dec 2019, at 11:04, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So, I will like to request to Ernest, to provide a clear explanation, and may 
> be publicly recognize what (if any) have been his mistakes and involvement an 
> all this.
>  


:-)  Might as well setup a confession booth and provide absolution of souls.  
On a serious note, we need a proper investigation.  Let’s wait to hear from the 
CEO

Omo





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[Sunday Folayan]

Good points Jordi, and thanks for the throwback on the very many amazing 
sacrifices we all made, to grow the Internet in Africa.


I will resist asking Ernest to defend himself here, We are not 
constituted as a competent jury, neither do we want to compromise the 
ongoing investigations.


Questions are appropriate, so will be his own admissions or rebuttals, 
when the investigations are completed.


I may be wrong, but that is my own expectations and position.

Sunday.

On 06/12/2019 10:04, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss wrote:


Hi Sunday, all,

I’ve been in “internal conflict” myself, since I read the article. Let 
me tell why.


I met Ernest the first time around 2005, if I recall correctly. My 
first AFRINIC meeting was AFRINIC-2 in Maputo, Mozambique, and shortly 
after, during an ITU meeting in Geneva, Adiel asked me if I could 
contribute to the AFRINIC community coming to the next meetings and 
joining Ernest in his trips to do the Registration Services training 
so I do IPv6 trainings.


Sunday for sure can remember that when going for a training to Lagos, 
I was deported back to my country, because a mess created by the 
Madrid Nigerian consulate and thanks to the quick reaction from 
Sunday, I could resolve that on the next day and flight again to do 
the training.


My immediate response was, of course, I will be very happy doing that, 
and since them I lost tract in how many African countries, I’ve been 
doing those trainings and how many thousands of brothers have been 
able to take advantage of that.


The relevance of that is clear. I’d a close relation with Ernest (as 
well as with many other staff from all the RIRs). Traveling so much 
together, you get to know people, and we are talking here about almost 
15 years. Of course, you may get a wrong impression, we all may have a 
hidden face. As humans, we all have positive and negative things. But 
I’m really shocked, I still resist to believe it.


I also believe that he is a smart guy. So, put yourself in the 
position of a smart guy that want to do something bad. Do you think 
you will use your own name for registering companies, or instead you 
will bribe someone, may be a friend (but not family) to avoid your 
family name to appear in any documents? I feel this is really silly 
and non-understandable. So maybe somebody used him, which doesn’t mean 
he is still guilty “in vigilando” because he trusted anyone else, or 
something similar.


Do we believe in “presumption of innocence”? I do, despite documents. 
If you don’t know the complete background, documents may not be enough.


So, I will like to request to Ernest, to provide a clear explanation, 
and may be publicly recognize what (if any) have been his mistakes and 
involvement an all this.


Note that I’m not here defending anyone. I’ve no any personal 
interest. My only interest is to know the **real true** and I’m sure 
everybody agrees on that.


Note also that I’ve no doubts that the documents may be authentic, so 
no doubt about the good work and investigation done by Ronald and very 
thankful for that.


Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

El 5/12/19 20:02, "Sunday Folayan" > escribió:


It is a shame that the system was exploited. I did not in anyway 
suggest that the malfeasance be ignored, or that we should focus only 
on legacy space.


The community has been informed that there is already some internal 
investigations ongoing. We should give AFRINIC the time to get things 
done. I equally expect that if criminal actions and intentions are 
established, the law should take its course and people should stand 
accountable for their deeds.


I query the suitability of a system, where existing or moribund 
organizations' IP resources are stolen/hijacked/leased for upwards of 
7 years, and it took this level of cross-border investigations to 
discover the manipulations. If the resources are indeed not needed or 
in active use, why would or should they not have been returned to the 
Registry for the common good?


For those whose resources were stolen or hijacked, I expect their 
legal department will be pursuing the hijackers/traders/users with 
gusto by now.


While appreciating the whistle blower(s) for a job well done on behalf 
of the entire community, Instead of running a mob-justice system here, 
with the assurance that justice will be served, the community should 
rather apply its mind on how to make sure that IP resources are 
available for developing the continent. That will be a better use of 
our time and intellect.


Sunday.

On 05/12/2019 1:46 PM, Mike Silber wrote:

Be that as it may - that seems to ignore the fact that there
appears to have been significant malfeasance regarding non-legacy
space.

I just want to ensure that we maintain a balanced view of the
problem and not deflect it to focus only on the legacy space issue.

It terms of priorities - it would make sense to me to focus on how
space 

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[Ronald F. Guilmette]

Mr. Folayan,

Let me begin by saying that I greatly apperciate your thoughtful response.

At the moment, I have only a few brief comments to add, above and beyond
what I have already said and what Jan Vermeulen has already written.


In message <4ad77d37-f1d5-04a2-86bd-79802faeb...@gmail.com>, 
Sunday Folayan  wrote:

>I am sure you want to see the issues addressed, and not that we should 
>conduct a requiem mass for AFRINIC right away. The former is much more 
>honourable and deserves the support of every right-thinking stakeholder. 
>It is the later that I seek to ensure is not your intention.

Please allow me to give you my most sincere assurances about that.

Neither I nor Jan Vermeulen have either any intention or any wish to see
the demise or disappearance of AFRINIC.  That is quite certainly not a
goal for either of us, and as far as I am concerned, at least, is, as
you have said, not even something that any right-thinking stakeholder
should wish for.  AFRINIC is and has been an integral part of global
Internet governance.  I cannot even envision things as being otherwise.
No rational man would tear down an entire house at the first sign of a
few cracks in the foundation, nor even at the second.  And to use an
even move vivid analogy, I cannot, at present, envision the ongoing
smooth functioning on the global Internet without AFRINIC any more than
I can envision a horse deprived of one leg galloping across the plains.

If I had been present and involved back in 2004, when AFRINIC was being
formed, I have no doubt that I would almost certainly have suggested
that some things might be done differently, but that ship has already
sailed, a long long time ago, and by my own choice I wasn't on it, being
preoccupied, as I was, elsewhere.  Now I may stand on the comfortable
shore and express some disagreement about the direction of travel, but
I do not question the utility of the journey.

The problems that I and Jan have brought to light are, I think, matters
of implementation and not of fundamental design or purpose.  Time will
tell if that is an accurate assesment.


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[Sunday Folayan]

Dear Mr Guilmette,

Regrettably, I do not monitor the press, but selected channels such as 
this list. It seems I got your attention, or you got my attention, or we 
both got each other's attention. Let us therefore maximize the possession.


Important and interesting questions, that you have raised in this email. 
Let us put some punch in it. Kindly change the TO: field to 
c...@afrinic.net, and cc the Community just to make sure it is not 
ignored, then resend it. I am sure the CEO will answer all the questions 
you here posed to me. Pity he has to start his tenure with these hard 
nuts and curveballs, but he is capable. He speaks for the Company, not me.


I am equally sure that the Community appreciates the great work done, 
and no one supports the exposed fraud. You are a stakeholder, and not 
some casual bystander so please note this. What you conveniently 
ignored, is that the #1 accused company insider is the eye of the 
company on the policy lists, where you raised the issues.


I am sure you want to see the issues addressed, and not that we should 
conduct a requiem mass for AFRINIC right away. The former is much more 
honourable and deserves the support of every right-thinking stakeholder. 
It is the later that I seek to ensure is not your intention.


My use of the term "Whistleblowers" is appropriate, as I looked at one 
of your reference links, and indeed, someone confirmed to you privately 
that your hunch is right. If you do not claim the honour, they should, 
because you rightly built on their work!


Great job you are doing.

Have a great day.

Sunday.

On 05/12/2019 23:44, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

In message <4d42abea-9bf3-5862-52c9-64db51a59...@gmail.com>,
Sunday Folayan  wrote:


The community has been informed that there is already some internal
investigations ongoing. We should give AFRINIC the time to get things
done.

Mr. Folayan,

These matters were first brought to light in the press on September 1,
2019, a full three months ago.  Since that time there has not been a
single meaningful utterance out of either the board or the acting CEO,
or the new CEO regarding these matters, others than a few vague assurances
that these matters are being looked into.

Going back further, I would wish you to note that I raised concerns
about these matters, in multiple forums, in November of 2016, a full
three years ago.

 https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-November/089164.html
 https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-November/089232.html
 https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2016/006129.html

I would respectfully request you to also note also that I again
repeatedly raised concerns regarding these matters in August of 2017,
albeit in a forum where I had hoped to get at least some attention
paid to these matters, having previously failed utterly to elicit any
concern at all about any of this from the AFRINIC community itself.

 https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/091821.html
 https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/091954.html
 https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/092092.html

At the present moment, the AFRINIC community would still be utterly
in the dark with regards to all of these abundant and pervasive
issues... issues which, on the surface, quite certainly appear to
entail large-scale and years-long insider embezzlement... if it
were not for my diligent pursuit of the facts of this case, and the
courageous reporting of MyBroadband.co.za.  Neither the board nor
the interim CEO nor the recently appointed new CEO have given any
clear indication of when this purported internal investigation will
either bear fruit or conclude, let alone when the various stakeholders
and members of the AFRINIC community might be privileged to receive
any of the findings that it may reach.  And yet despite having had
either three full months or three full years to look into these
matters, depending on where one elects to start counting from, and
despite that fact that absolutely no results have been forthcoming
from this purported internal investigation, today you counsel patience.

This begs the question -- At what point will it be reasonable for the
community's patience to come to an end?  Does the community have any
assurance, from either the board or the CEO, that waiting another
three months, or even another three years, is at all likely to yield
anything other than a continuation of what would appear to be the
current attempts to quietly sweep the embezzlement of tens of millions
of dollars of valuable IPv4 assets under the carpet?

On what date certain will any official statement on these matters at long
last be forthcoming?


I equally expect that if criminal actions and intentions are
established, the law should take its course and people should stand
accountable for their deeds.

This assertion on your part begs four further questions:

1)  Above and beyond the abundant facts that have already been presented

Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss]

Hi Sunday, all,

 

I’ve been in “internal conflict” myself, since I read the article. Let me tell 
why.

 

I met Ernest the first time around 2005, if I recall correctly. My first 
AFRINIC meeting was AFRINIC-2 in Maputo, Mozambique, and shortly after, during 
an ITU meeting in Geneva, Adiel asked me if I could contribute to the AFRINIC 
community coming to the next meetings and joining Ernest in his trips to do the 
Registration Services training so I do IPv6 trainings.

 

Sunday for sure can remember that when going for a training to Lagos, I was 
deported back to my country, because a mess created by the Madrid Nigerian 
consulate and thanks to the quick reaction from Sunday, I could resolve that on 
the next day and flight again to do the training.

 

My immediate response was, of course, I will be very happy doing that, and 
since them I lost tract in how many African countries, I’ve been doing those 
trainings and how many thousands of brothers have been able to take advantage 
of that.

 

The relevance of that is clear. I’d a close relation with Ernest (as well as 
with many other staff from all the RIRs). Traveling so much together, you get 
to know people, and we are talking here about almost 15 years. Of course, you 
may get a wrong impression, we all may have a hidden face. As humans, we all 
have positive and negative things. But I’m really shocked, I still resist to 
believe it.

 

I also believe that he is a smart guy. So, put yourself in the position of a 
smart guy that want to do something bad. Do you think you will use your own 
name for registering companies, or instead you will bribe someone,  may be a 
friend (but not family) to avoid your family name to appear in any documents? I 
feel this is really silly and non-understandable. So maybe somebody used him, 
which doesn’t mean he is still guilty “in vigilando” because he trusted anyone 
else, or something similar.

 

Do we believe in “presumption of innocence”? I do, despite documents. If you 
don’t know the complete background, documents may not be enough.

 

So, I will like to request to Ernest, to provide a clear explanation, and may 
be publicly recognize what (if any) have been his mistakes and involvement an 
all this.

 

Note that I’m not here defending anyone. I’ve no any personal interest. My only 
interest is to know the *real true* and I’m sure everybody agrees on that.

 

Note also that I’ve no doubts that the documents may be authentic, so no doubt 
about the good work and investigation done by Ronald and very thankful for that.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 5/12/19 20:02, "Sunday Folayan"  escribió:

 

It is a shame that the system was exploited. I did not in anyway suggest that 
the malfeasance be ignored, or that we should focus only on legacy space.

The community has been informed that there is already some internal 
investigations ongoing. We should give AFRINIC the time to get things done. I 
equally expect that if criminal actions and intentions are established, the law 
should take its course and people should stand accountable for their deeds.

I query the suitability of a system, where existing or moribund organizations' 
IP resources are stolen/hijacked/leased for upwards of 7 years, and it took 
this level of cross-border investigations to discover the manipulations. If the 
resources are indeed not needed or in active use, why would or should they not 
have been returned to the Registry for the common good?

For those whose resources were stolen or hijacked, I expect their legal 
department will be pursuing the hijackers/traders/users with gusto by now.

While appreciating the whistle blower(s) for a job well done on behalf of the 
entire community, Instead of running a mob-justice system here, with the 
assurance that justice will be served, the community should rather apply its 
mind on how to make sure that IP resources are available for developing the 
continent. That will be a better use of our time and intellect.

Sunday. 

 

On 05/12/2019 1:46 PM, Mike Silber wrote:

Be that as it may - that seems to ignore the fact that there appears to have 
been significant malfeasance regarding non-legacy space. 

 

I just want to ensure that we maintain a balanced view of the problem and not 
deflect it to focus only on the legacy space issue.

 

It terms of priorities - it would make sense to me to focus on how space that 
should have been subject to the RSA has been mis-appropriated and then turn to 
the more difficult question of legacy space. If the current processes are open 
to abuse, then moving legacy space under those processes may not have the 
desired outcome. 

 

Mike



On 5 Dec 2019, at 14:27, Mark Tinka  wrote:

 

Completely agree with Sunday.

Mark.

On 5/Dec/19 13:02, Sunday Folayan wrote:

Isn't it time to address Legacy space issues, specifically ancient squatters on 
spaces meant to develop the Internet in Africa, AfriNIC Services and bringing 
legacy spaces 

Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message <6fbc0020-6ee7-4e6b-8573-ac5aa52b9...@gmail.com>, 
Isabel Odida  wrote:

>I know what sparked this story.

If you have something to say, then you have our attention and the floor.
Please proceed.


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[Isabel Odida]

I know what sparked this story. Some people have no chill. How convenient 
following the last meeting in June. Ok, and then what? What have you benefited?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Dec 2019, at 18:23, Ronald F. Guilmette  wrote:
> 
> I hope you all will take the time to read and think about the following
> news story.
> 
> https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/330379-how-internet-resources-worth-r800-million-were-stolen-and-sold-on-the-black-market.html
> 
> I will have more to say about this in due course.  For the moment, I only
> wish to say that the investigation undertaken by myself and Jan Vermeulen
> is ongoing, and that many others are provably involved.
> 
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[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message <4d42abea-9bf3-5862-52c9-64db51a59...@gmail.com>, 
Sunday Folayan  wrote:

>The community has been informed that there is already some internal 
>investigations ongoing. We should give AFRINIC the time to get things 
>done.

Mr. Folayan,

These matters were first brought to light in the press on September 1,
2019, a full three months ago.  Since that time there has not been a
single meaningful utterance out of either the board or the acting CEO,
or the new CEO regarding these matters, others than a few vague assurances
that these matters are being looked into.

Going back further, I would wish you to note that I raised concerns
about these matters, in multiple forums, in November of 2016, a full
three years ago.

https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-November/089164.html
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-November/089232.html
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2016/006129.html

I would respectfully request you to also note also that I again
repeatedly raised concerns regarding these matters in August of 2017,
albeit in a forum where I had hoped to get at least some attention
paid to these matters, having previously failed utterly to elicit any
concern at all about any of this from the AFRINIC community itself.

https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/091821.html
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/091954.html
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/092092.html

At the present moment, the AFRINIC community would still be utterly
in the dark with regards to all of these abundant and pervasive
issues... issues which, on the surface, quite certainly appear to
entail large-scale and years-long insider embezzlement... if it
were not for my diligent pursuit of the facts of this case, and the
courageous reporting of MyBroadband.co.za.  Neither the board nor
the interim CEO nor the recently appointed new CEO have given any
clear indication of when this purported internal investigation will
either bear fruit or conclude, let alone when the various stakeholders
and members of the AFRINIC community might be privileged to receive
any of the findings that it may reach.  And yet despite having had
either three full months or three full years to look into these
matters, depending on where one elects to start counting from, and
despite that fact that absolutely no results have been forthcoming
from this purported internal investigation, today you counsel patience.

This begs the question -- At what point will it be reasonable for the
community's patience to come to an end?  Does the community have any
assurance, from either the board or the CEO, that waiting another
three months, or even another three years, is at all likely to yield
anything other than a continuation of what would appear to be the
current attempts to quietly sweep the embezzlement of tens of millions
of dollars of valuable IPv4 assets under the carpet?

On what date certain will any official statement on these matters at long
last be forthcoming?

>I equally expect that if criminal actions and intentions are 
>established, the law should take its course and people should stand 
>accountable for their deeds.

This assertion on your part begs four further questions:

1)  Above and beyond the abundant facts that have already been presented
in the MyBroadband.co.za article, the majority of which were drawn from
publicly available sources including open government records, what more
will it take for you to be persuaded that "criminal actions and intentions
are established"?  What parts of the abundant documentary evidence already
presented in this case do you find less than persuasive?

2)  If, as asserted in the MyBroadband.co.za article, it can be persuasively
demonstrated that large chunks of valuable IPv4 address space were in fact
purloined from the AFRINIC free pool, then would you agree that AFRINIC
itself is one of the aggrieved parties?  And if so, would you hope and
expect that AFRINIC would file formal criminal complaints with any and
all relevant national law enforcement bodies on that basis?

3)  Given the well-documented corruption that is both pervasive and endemic
within the judicial systems of various relevant African countries, do you
have any basis for believing that, at the end of the day, it is at all
likely that justice will ever actually be served in this case?

4)  What should be AFRINIC's own unilateral response be in those well-
documented cases involving the illicit theft of IPv4 address blocks from
AFRINIC's own free pool?  Should these blocks be immediately reclaimed by
AFRINIC?  Or would your preference be to permit the thieves, whoever they
may be, to retain and to continue to profit from their ill-gotten booty
on a day-by-day and month-by-month basis, as is currently the case?

>I query the suitability of a system, where existing or moribund 
>organizations' IP resources are stolen/hijacked/leased for upwards of 7 
>years, 

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[Omo Oaiya]

I have to agree with this. As shocking and disappointing as the revelations
might be, this makes the most sense to me.

Omo

On Thu, 5 Dec 2019, 20:56 Sunday Folayan,  wrote:

> It is a shame that the system was exploited. I did not in anyway suggest
> that the malfeasance be ignored, or that we should focus only on legacy
> space.
>
> The community has been informed that there is already some internal
> investigations ongoing. We should give AFRINIC the time to get things done.
> I equally expect that if criminal actions and intentions are established,
> the law should take its course and people should stand accountable for
> their deeds.
>
> I query the suitability of a system, where existing or moribund
> organizations' IP resources are stolen/hijacked/leased for upwards of 7
> years, and it took this level of cross-border investigations to discover
> the manipulations. If the resources are indeed not needed or in active use,
> why would or should they not have been returned to the Registry for the
> common good?
>
> For those whose resources were stolen or hijacked, I expect their legal
> department will be pursuing the hijackers/traders/users with gusto by now.
>
> While appreciating the whistle blower(s) for a job well done on behalf of
> the entire community, Instead of running a mob-justice system here, with
> the assurance that justice will be served, the community should rather
> apply its mind on how to make sure that IP resources are available for
> developing the continent. That will be a better use of our time and
> intellect.
> Sunday.
>
> On 05/12/2019 1:46 PM, Mike Silber wrote:
>
> Be that as it may - that seems to ignore the fact that there appears to
> have been significant malfeasance regarding non-legacy space.
>
> I just want to ensure that we maintain a balanced view of the problem and
> not deflect it to focus only on the legacy space issue.
>
> It terms of priorities - it would make sense to me to focus on how space
> that should have been subject to the RSA has been mis-appropriated and then
> turn to the more difficult question of legacy space. If the current
> processes are open to abuse, then moving legacy space under those processes
> may not have the desired outcome.
>
> Mike
>
> On 5 Dec 2019, at 14:27, Mark Tinka  wrote:
>
> Completely agree with Sunday.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 5/Dec/19 13:02, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>
> Isn't it time to address Legacy space issues, specifically ancient
> squatters on spaces meant to develop the Internet in Africa, AfriNIC
> Services and bringing legacy spaces under some form of RSA?
>
> I urge the community to think beyond the sensation and let us see how to
> help and empower the people doing useful work for Africa.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sunday.
>
> On 04/12/2019 6:23 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>
> I hope you all will take the time to read and think about the following
> news story.
>
>
> https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/330379-how-internet-resources-worth-r800-million-were-stolen-and-sold-on-the-black-market.html
>   I will have more to say about this in due course.  For the moment, I
> only
> wish to say that the investigation undertaken by myself and Jan Vermeulen
> is ongoing, and that many others are provably involved.
> Regards,
> rfg
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[Sunday Folayan]

It is a shame that the system was exploited. I did not in anyway suggest 
that the malfeasance be ignored, or that we should focus only on legacy 
space.


The community has been informed that there is already some internal 
investigations ongoing. We should give AFRINIC the time to get things 
done. I equally expect that if criminal actions and intentions are 
established, the law should take its course and people should stand 
accountable for their deeds.


I query the suitability of a system, where existing or moribund 
organizations' IP resources are stolen/hijacked/leased for upwards of 7 
years, and it took this level of cross-border investigations to discover 
the manipulations. If the resources are indeed not needed or in active 
use, why would or should they not have been returned to the Registry for 
the common good?


For those whose resources were stolen or hijacked, I expect their legal 
department will be pursuing the hijackers/traders/users with gusto by now.


While appreciating the whistle blower(s) for a job well done on behalf 
of the entire community, Instead of running a mob-justice system here, 
with the assurance that justice will be served, the community should 
rather apply its mind on how to make sure that IP resources are 
available for developing the continent. That will be a better use of our 
time and intellect.


Sunday.

On 05/12/2019 1:46 PM, Mike Silber wrote:
Be that as it may - that seems to ignore the fact that there appears 
to have been significant malfeasance regarding non-legacy space.


I just want to ensure that we maintain a balanced view of the problem 
and not deflect it to focus only on the legacy space issue.


It terms of priorities - it would make sense to me to focus on how 
space that should have been subject to the RSA has been 
mis-appropriated and then turn to the more difficult question of 
legacy space. If the current processes are open to abuse, then moving 
legacy space under those processes may not have the desired outcome.


Mike

On 5 Dec 2019, at 14:27, Mark Tinka > wrote:


Completely agree with Sunday.

Mark.

On 5/Dec/19 13:02, Sunday Folayan wrote:
Isn't it time to address Legacy space issues, specifically ancient 
squatters on spaces meant to develop the Internet in Africa, AfriNIC 
Services and bringing legacy spaces under some form of RSA?


I urge the community to think beyond the sensation and let us see 
how to help and empower the people doing useful work for Africa.


Thanks.

Sunday.

On 04/12/2019 6:23 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
I hope you all will take the time to read and think about the 
following

news story.

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/330379-how-internet-resources-worth-r800-million-were-stolen-and-sold-on-the-black-market.html 

  I will have more to say about this in due course.  For the 
moment, I only
wish to say that the investigation undertaken by myself and Jan 
Vermeulen

is ongoing, and that many others are provably involved.
    Regards,
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[Andrew Alston]

I would be very curious to hear from a legal perspective what - if any - legal 
liability AfriNIC has in a situation like this.

The fact is - space has value - and if space is stolen - used for spam or 
whatever else - and the reputation of said space is damaged - it’s value 
decreases.  Now I fully realize that space can be hijacked - and at that point 
potentially the hijackers may hold the liability. However - when the space 
seems to have been stolen and sold off by a staff member of the organization 
that is meant in effect to the curator of the space - I question if there is 
not a liability issue at play if it can be proven that due care was not taken 
to safe guard against the actions taken.

I’m no lawyer though so I would really be interested to know the legal 
perspective - can an rir be held liable to the actions of its staff if it did 
not adequately protect against the actions taken.

Andrew

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Totally agree with you Mike. It should have been almost impossible to 
manipulate the non-legacy space - yet it happened. In this case (looting of 
non-legacy space), the RSA has meant nothing.

On 2019/12/05 14:46, Mike Silber wrote:
Be that as it may - that seems to ignore the fact that there appears to have 
been significant malfeasance regarding non-legacy space.

I just want to ensure that we maintain a balanced view of the problem and not 
deflect it to focus only on the legacy space issue.

It terms of priorities - it would make sense to me to focus on how space that 
should have been subject to the RSA has been mis-appropriated and then turn to 
the more difficult question of legacy space. If the current processes are open 
to abuse, then moving legacy space under those processes may not have the 
desired outcome.

Mike

On 5 Dec 2019, at 14:27, Mark Tinka 
mailto:mark.ti...@seacom.mu>> wrote:

Completely agree with Sunday.

Mark.

On 5/Dec/19 13:02, Sunday Folayan wrote:
Isn't it time to address Legacy space issues, specifically ancient squatters on 
spaces meant to develop the Internet in Africa, AfriNIC Services and bringing 
legacy spaces under some form of RSA?

I urge the community to think beyond the sensation and let us see how to help 
and empower the people doing useful work for Africa.

Thanks.

Sunday.

On 04/12/2019 6:23 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
I hope you all will take the time to read and think about the following
news story.

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/330379-how-internet-resources-worth-r800-million-were-stolen-and-sold-on-the-black-market.html<https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/330379-how-internet-resources-worth-r800-million-were-stolen-and-sold-on-the-black-market.html>
  I will have more to say about this in due course.  For the moment, I only
wish to say that the investigation undertaken by myself and Jan Vermeulen
is ongoing, and that many others are provably involved.
Regards,
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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Mark Tinka]

I don't disagree with that either.

I am certain AFRINIC are working on this, and I know there will be no
shortage of queries about this from the field, much to our
already-clogged e-mail boxes. I don't want to do the jobs of others; no
one is doing mine for me.

My preferred current focus - your last paragraph, below.

Mark.

On 5/Dec/19 14:46, Mike Silber wrote:
> Be that as it may - that seems to ignore the fact that there appears
> to have been significant malfeasance regarding non-legacy space.
>
> I just want to ensure that we maintain a balanced view of the problem
> and not deflect it to focus only on the legacy space issue.
>
> It terms of priorities - it would make sense to me to focus on how
> space that should have been subject to the RSA has been
> mis-appropriated and then turn to the more difficult question of
> legacy space. If the current processes are open to abuse, then moving
> legacy space under those processes may not have the desired outcome. 
>
> Mike
>
>> On 5 Dec 2019, at 14:27, Mark Tinka > > wrote:
>>
>> Completely agree with Sunday.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>> On 5/Dec/19 13:02, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>>> Isn't it time to address Legacy space issues, specifically ancient
>>> squatters on spaces meant to develop the Internet in Africa, AfriNIC
>>> Services and bringing legacy spaces under some form of RSA?
>>>
>>> I urge the community to think beyond the sensation and let us see
>>> how to help and empower the people doing useful work for Africa.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Sunday.
>>>
>>> On 04/12/2019 6:23 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
 I hope you all will take the time to read and think about the
 following
 news story.

 https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/330379-how-internet-resources-worth-r800-million-were-stolen-and-sold-on-the-black-market.html

   I will have more to say about this in due course.  For the
 moment, I only
 wish to say that the investigation undertaken by myself and Jan
 Vermeulen
 is ongoing, and that many others are provably involved.
     Regards,
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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Mark Elkins]

Totally agree with you Mike. It should have been almost impossible to 
manipulate the non-legacy space - yet it happened. In this case (looting 
of non-legacy space), the RSA has meant nothing.


On 2019/12/05 14:46, Mike Silber wrote:
Be that as it may - that seems to ignore the fact that there appears 
to have been significant malfeasance regarding non-legacy space.


I just want to ensure that we maintain a balanced view of the problem 
and not deflect it to focus only on the legacy space issue.


It terms of priorities - it would make sense to me to focus on how 
space that should have been subject to the RSA has been 
mis-appropriated and then turn to the more difficult question of 
legacy space. If the current processes are open to abuse, then moving 
legacy space under those processes may not have the desired outcome.


Mike

On 5 Dec 2019, at 14:27, Mark Tinka > wrote:


Completely agree with Sunday.

Mark.

On 5/Dec/19 13:02, Sunday Folayan wrote:
Isn't it time to address Legacy space issues, specifically ancient 
squatters on spaces meant to develop the Internet in Africa, AfriNIC 
Services and bringing legacy spaces under some form of RSA?


I urge the community to think beyond the sensation and let us see 
how to help and empower the people doing useful work for Africa.


Thanks.

Sunday.

On 04/12/2019 6:23 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
I hope you all will take the time to read and think about the 
following

news story.

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/330379-how-internet-resources-worth-r800-million-were-stolen-and-sold-on-the-black-market.html 

  I will have more to say about this in due course.  For the 
moment, I only
wish to say that the investigation undertaken by myself and Jan 
Vermeulen

is ongoing, and that many others are provably involved.
    Regards,
rfg


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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Mark Tinka]

Completely agree with Sunday.

Mark.

On 5/Dec/19 13:02, Sunday Folayan wrote:
> Isn't it time to address Legacy space issues, specifically ancient
> squatters on spaces meant to develop the Internet in Africa, AfriNIC
> Services and bringing legacy spaces under some form of RSA?
>
> I urge the community to think beyond the sensation and let us see how
> to help and empower the people doing useful work for Africa.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sunday.
>
> On 04/12/2019 6:23 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>> I hope you all will take the time to read and think about the following
>> news story.
>>
>> https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/330379-how-internet-resources-worth-r800-million-were-stolen-and-sold-on-the-black-market.html
>>
>>   I will have more to say about this in due course.  For the moment,
>> I only
>> wish to say that the investigation undertaken by myself and Jan
>> Vermeulen
>> is ongoing, and that many others are provably involved.
>>     Regards,
>> rfg
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Re: [Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

[Sunday Folayan]

Isn't it time to address Legacy space issues, specifically ancient 
squatters on spaces meant to develop the Internet in Africa, AfriNIC 
Services and bringing legacy spaces under some form of RSA?


I urge the community to think beyond the sensation and let us see how to 
help and empower the people doing useful work for Africa.


Thanks.

Sunday.

On 04/12/2019 6:23 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

I hope you all will take the time to read and think about the following
news story.

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/330379-how-internet-resources-worth-r800-million-were-stolen-and-sold-on-the-black-market.html
  
I will have more to say about this in due course.  For the moment, I only

wish to say that the investigation undertaken by myself and Jan Vermeulen
is ongoing, and that many others are provably involved.
  
  
Regards,

rfg


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[Community-Discuss] The Looting of AFRINIC

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I hope you all will take the time to read and think about the following
news story.

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/330379-how-internet-resources-worth-r800-million-were-stolen-and-sold-on-the-black-market.html
 
I will have more to say about this in due course.  For the moment, I only
wish to say that the investigation undertaken by myself and Jan Vermeulen
is ongoing, and that many others are provably involved.
 
 
Regards,
rfg


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