Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13
I don't mind the playing strength of the opponents. More programs more fun! Hideki Nick Wedd: CAEVtG+PF=xmgtvpgskx5lqhsazsy5zodk2e37qd8qjl263w...@mail.gmail.com: I will be willing to welcome players of all strengths, if that is what the strong players want. My reason for excluding weaker players is that, last time this was discussed, at least one operator of a strong player said that he did not want to set it up and operate it and then see it win a succession of games against players five or more grades weaker. If that has changed, I will gladly relax the requirement that entrants be at least as strong as GNU Go. So, I welcome Rémi's opinion, and I hope that other operators of strong programs will tell me their opinions. Nick On 1 April 2015 at 13:05, remi.cou...@free.fr wrote: Nick is the boss of KGS tournaments, of course, but my personal taste is that I would welcome programs of any strength in the tournaments. The more the merrier. Rémi - Mail original - De: folkert folk...@vanheusden.com À: computer-go@computer-go.org Envoyé: Mercredi 1 Avril 2015 20:29:55 Objet: Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13 I would like to as well but when I asked (somewhere in 2012 iirc) I was told that it should first become a bit better :-) On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 02:00:18PM +0200, Urban Hafner wrote: Thank you for organising this for so many years, Nick! I think the email is a bit wrong though. Here's the link to the actual tournament: http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=955 It's also not 19x19, but (at least according to the KGS page) it's 13x13. :) Now on to my actual question: Are any of the other developers of new bots interested in joining? I JUST got around to implementing UCT and it would be rather boring to enter if I know with 100% certainty that I will loose all my games. Urban On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com wrote: The April KGS bot tournament will be this Sunday, April 5th, starting at 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 9 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95 http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=9425 I apologise for the short notice. March seems to have passed unusually fast. Please register by emailing me, with the words KGS Tournament Registration in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go Folkert van Heusden -- To MultiTail einai ena polymorfiko ergaleio gia ta logfiles kai tin eksodo twn entolwn. Prosferei: filtrarisma, xrwmatismo, sygxwneysi, diaforetikes provoles. http://www.vanheusden.com/multitail/ -- Phone: +31-6-41278122, PGP-key: 1F28D8AE, www.vanheusden.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Hideki Kato mailto:hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13
McMahon relies on the players having reliable ratings. Many don't. Nick On 1 April 2015 at 14:30, Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps switch to McMahon? On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Darren Cook dar...@dcook.org wrote: I will be willing to welcome players of all strengths, if that is what the strong players want... Winning against a much weak player does not prove anything, nor teach you much. (In contrast to losing against a stronger player.) I wonder if handicaps could be used? E.g. the elite players could play even games against each other, but a 9-stone game against the non-elite players. Only elite players qualify for the KGS league points, but otherwise their wins/losses in the handicapped games count. So Zen has to not just beat CrazyStone, but also beat WeakProgram at a high handicap, or hope that CrazyStone also fails to beat him at the same challenging handicap. (I'm sure that is too complex for the KGS tournament structure, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway...) Darren ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13
In view of the responses I have received, I have opened up entry to weaker players. I like David's idea of a requirement of some specified CGOS rating. I'll say 1100 for now, and see how it works out. When I look at CGOS, it gives me lists of ratings for 9x9 and 13x13 (which covers the April tournament), but nothing for 19x19; why is this? Nick On 1 April 2015 at 19:23, David Doshay ddos...@mac.com wrote: I have not competed in the KGS tournaments for many years, but here is my suggestion: now that CGOS is up and running again, set a minimum rating level on CGOS, perhaps something like 1000 or 1200. In that way new programers will be encouraged to use CGOS for primary comparison against existing programs, but they won’t be excluded from the tournaments until they can beat programs that have many many years of development. I can understand setting the level higher for some tournaments, such as the very long time tournaments, but setting the bar at GNU Go seems too high for the standard monthly tournaments. Cheers, David G Doshay ddos...@mac.com On 1, Apr 2015, at 6:11 AM, Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com wrote: I will be willing to welcome players of all strengths, if that is what the strong players want. My reason for excluding weaker players is that, last time this was discussed, at least one operator of a strong player said that he did not want to set it up and operate it and then see it win a succession of games against players five or more grades weaker. If that has changed, I will gladly relax the requirement that entrants be at least as strong as GNU Go. So, I welcome Rémi's opinion, and I hope that other operators of strong programs will tell me their opinions. Nick ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13
Because 13x13 is the one that is working, so folks are playing at that board size. I do not think it matters much that the rating come from the same board size as the tournament. The point is just to get programs that have crossed to some minimal level of maturity, and some of the programs that are playing at the level near 1100 have not done anything beyond implementing known and available algorithms, so that sounds about right to me when combined with implementing the KGS endgame protocol. Cheers, David G Doshay ddos...@mac.com On 2, Apr 2015, at 12:47 PM, Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com wrote: When I look at CGOS, it gives me lists of ratings for 9x9 and 13x13 (which covers the April tournament), but nothing for 19x19; why is this? ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] CGOS future
BTW I greatly appreciate all the input! and put in TODO.txt Since I do plan to make this open source and ON github. Guess I'm looking for helper developers I own like 12 servers so can host, while keeping the solid boardspace in tact. In fact I just bought 2 more servers, 1 real 1 replication. Again I'm curios of language?? I'm top at C/Perl for real contimplation BTW I am a Linux guy true and true since 1994. But I am DAMN tempted to write it in C#. Especially w/ MS OSS .Net framework. WE always had mono but right now. That is where I am REALLY leaning. I don't even know C#, but good at JAVA despite my hatred for the language lol. My goal is to move away from interpreted languages and release SOLID .exe or bin for unices. Client viewer, client host for engine. Seriously I am ok now, financially, and my hobby projects are mature. I have time to REALLY drive in and make CGOS what it deserves. But again it needs a pure re-write lol BTW as the future maintainer, given any/all emails that come from this thread. I ALSO appreciate emails from people recommending people. It's easy to get 20+ ppl saying OMG I want to help. But I need at least 1-2 more core devs outside me, especially if I'm working in a language outside my zone. So I also ask fellow devs to post comments on what language you think would be good for now/future prospects. -Josh ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Is there a general (and english) go mailing list.
Hi! On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 02:10:00PM +0200, N.N. wrote: I searched the web for more than one hour and didn't fin a general go mailing list. I found lists but they belong to clubs academy's or federations. Thank you for your time. Perhaps the most active discussion forum is lifein19x19. There is also rec.games.go, which is a somewhat deserted place though. Petr Baudis ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Is there a general (and english) go mailing list.
Hello, I searched the web for more than one hour and didn't fin a general go mailing list. I found lists but they belong to clubs academy's or federations. Thank you for your time. Alain. -- Complex numbers: They are all fun and games until someone loses an i. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
