Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo selfplay 3 games

[Lucas Baker]

Variations drawn from AlphaGo are usually indicated in the English
translation by phrases such as "AlphaGo believes...", or reactions such as
the pros' "approval" or "doubt" as mentioned by Steven. Some variations
were also created by Fan Hui, Gu Li, and Zhou Ruiyang in order to
investigate, explain, or clarify a given position, and these may or may not
have been fully explored by AlphaGo.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 4:18 PM Steven Clark 
wrote:

> My interpretation is that all variations are from AlphaGo, whereas the
> human pros are just weighing in on those. Hence you will see the pros
> "approve of this variation" or "express doubts" about it.
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Darren Cook  wrote:
>
>> > DeepMind published AlphaGo's selfplay 3 games with comment.
>>
>> I've just been playing through the AlphaGo-Lee first game. When it shows
>> a variation, is this what AlphaGo was expecting, i.e. its prime
>> variation? Or is the follow-up "just" the opinion of the pro commentators?
>>
>> (E.g. game 1, move 13, the keima; the commentary says "While will
>> attach..." Can I read that as meaning this is the move AlphaGo would
>> have chosen if black had played there?)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Darren
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo selfplay 3 games

[Steven Clark]

My interpretation is that all variations are from AlphaGo, whereas the
human pros are just weighing in on those. Hence you will see the pros
"approve of this variation" or "express doubts" about it.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Darren Cook  wrote:

> > DeepMind published AlphaGo's selfplay 3 games with comment.
>
> I've just been playing through the AlphaGo-Lee first game. When it shows
> a variation, is this what AlphaGo was expecting, i.e. its prime
> variation? Or is the follow-up "just" the opinion of the pro commentators?
>
> (E.g. game 1, move 13, the keima; the commentary says "While will
> attach..." Can I read that as meaning this is the move AlphaGo would
> have chosen if black had played there?)
>
> Thanks,
> Darren
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo selfplay 3 games

[Darren Cook]

> DeepMind published AlphaGo's selfplay 3 games with comment.

I've just been playing through the AlphaGo-Lee first game. When it shows
a variation, is this what AlphaGo was expecting, i.e. its prime
variation? Or is the follow-up "just" the opinion of the pro commentators?

(E.g. game 1, move 13, the keima; the commentary says "While will
attach..." Can I read that as meaning this is the move AlphaGo would
have chosen if black had played there?)

Thanks,
Darren

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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo selfplay 3 games

[Horace Ho]

The first AlphaGo-AlphaGo is so tense. I stood in the middle of the street
going through the game for half an hour and can barely breath ...

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Aja Huang  wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Richard Lorentz  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Aja,
>>
>> Now I see.
>>
>> Also, I've looked at some of the games and the commentary is really very
>> nice.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Richard
>>
>> P.S. Nice seeing you (again?!) in Leiden!
>>
>
> It was nice to see you, too. I'm glad you enjoy the commentary. :)
>
> Aja
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/14/2016 07:41 AM, Aja Huang wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Richard Lorentz <
>> richard.lore...@csun.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> After following the link and then playing out one of the games in my
>>> browser (Chrome) I don't see the variations. Can anyone help me figure out
>>> how to make them visible?
>>>
>>
>> You can see the variations by clicking on labels on the board A, B, etc.
>>
>> Aja
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/14/2016 02:25 AM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> DeepMind published AlphaGo's selfplay 3 games with comment.
>>>
>>> AlphaGo Games - English
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deepmin
>>> d.com_research_alphago_alphago-2Dgames-2Denglish_=DQIGaQ
>>> =Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U=NbBKrBPWWTAfp
>>> _een5wnh2rUKa2Rtv0nPE0GGyoIUSQ=wa5KR9ywvzFZsR_3EMUX4SOzu3N
>>> nkk8YamJJk9-VcvU=XVTGs4Q_7WgeaciJv6vGgubF5P5Ojid_z-I23Mh53RI=
>>> OHASHI Hirofumi 6d pro said
>>> "I understood AlphaGo is extremely strong even if 5sec/move."
>>>
>>> Thanks
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo selfplay 3 games

[Petr Baudis]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 06:25:42PM +0900, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> DeepMind published AlphaGo's selfplay 3 games with comment.
> 
> AlphaGo Games - English
> https://deepmind.com/research/alphago/alphago-games-english/
> 
> OHASHI Hirofumi 6d pro said
> "I understood AlphaGo is extremely strong even if 5sec/move."

Wow.  I have looked only at the first self-play game so far, but it
really is impressive.  To me, the most frightening move is 156, I wonder
if after black B, AlphaGo would indeed play out the long and complex
semeai correctly, or if it just "sensed".

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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo selfplay 3 games

[Aja Huang]

Hi Richard,

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Richard Lorentz 
wrote:

> Hi Aja,
>
> Now I see.
>
> Also, I've looked at some of the games and the commentary is really very
> nice.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Richard
>
> P.S. Nice seeing you (again?!) in Leiden!
>

It was nice to see you, too. I'm glad you enjoy the commentary. :)

Aja

>
>
>
> On 09/14/2016 07:41 AM, Aja Huang wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Richard Lorentz  > wrote:
>
>> After following the link and then playing out one of the games in my
>> browser (Chrome) I don't see the variations. Can anyone help me figure out
>> how to make them visible?
>>
>
> You can see the variations by clicking on labels on the board A, B, etc.
>
> Aja
>
>
>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Richard
>>
>>
>> On 09/14/2016 02:25 AM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> DeepMind published AlphaGo's selfplay 3 games with comment.
>>
>> AlphaGo Games - English
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deepmin
>> d.com_research_alphago_alphago-2Dgames-2Denglish_=DQIGaQ
>> =Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U=NbBKrBPWWTAfp
>> _een5wnh2rUKa2Rtv0nPE0GGyoIUSQ=wa5KR9ywvzFZsR_
>> 3EMUX4SOzu3Nnkk8YamJJk9-VcvU=XVTGs4Q_7WgeaciJv6vGgubF5P5O
>> jid_z-I23Mh53RI=
>> OHASHI Hirofumi 6d pro said
>> "I understood AlphaGo is extremely strong even if 5sec/move."
>>
>> Thanks
>> Hiroshi Yamashita
>>
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo selfplay 3 games

[Richard Lorentz]

Hi Aja,

Now I see.

Also, I've looked at some of the games and the commentary is really very 
nice.


Thanks!

-Richard

P.S. Nice seeing you (again?!) in Leiden!


On 09/14/2016 07:41 AM, Aja Huang wrote:

Hi Richard,

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Richard Lorentz 
> wrote:


After following the link and then playing out one of the games in
my browser (Chrome) I don't see the variations. Can anyone help me
figure out how to make them visible?


You can see the variations by clicking on labels on the board A, B, etc.

Aja

Thanks.

-Richard


On 09/14/2016 02:25 AM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote:

Hi,

DeepMind published AlphaGo's selfplay 3 games with comment.

AlphaGo Games - English

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deepmind.com_research_alphago_alphago-2Dgames-2Denglish_=DQIGaQ=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U=NbBKrBPWWTAfp_een5wnh2rUKa2Rtv0nPE0GGyoIUSQ=wa5KR9ywvzFZsR_3EMUX4SOzu3Nnkk8YamJJk9-VcvU=XVTGs4Q_7WgeaciJv6vGgubF5P5Ojid_z-I23Mh53RI=



OHASHI Hirofumi 6d pro said
"I understood AlphaGo is extremely strong even if 5sec/move."

Thanks
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo selfplay 3 games

[Aja Huang]

Hi Richard,

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Richard Lorentz 
wrote:

> After following the link and then playing out one of the games in my
> browser (Chrome) I don't see the variations. Can anyone help me figure out
> how to make them visible?
>

You can see the variations by clicking on labels on the board A, B, etc.

Aja



> Thanks.
>
> -Richard
>
>
> On 09/14/2016 02:25 AM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> DeepMind published AlphaGo's selfplay 3 games with comment.
>
> AlphaGo Games - English
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deepmin
> d.com_research_alphago_alphago-2Dgames-2Denglish_=DQIGaQ&
> c=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U=
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> iJv6vGgubF5P5Ojid_z-I23Mh53RI=
> OHASHI Hirofumi 6d pro said
> "I understood AlphaGo is extremely strong even if 5sec/move."
>
> Thanks
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo selfplay 3 games

[Michael Alford]

I had to download the sgf's and open with the glGo client.


On 9/14/16 6:54 AM, Richard Lorentz wrote:
After following the link and then playing out one of the games in my 
browser (Chrome) I don't see the variations. Can anyone help me figure 
out how to make them visible?


Thanks.

-Richard


On 09/14/2016 02:25 AM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote:

Hi,

DeepMind published AlphaGo's selfplay 3 games with comment.

AlphaGo Games - English
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deepmind.com_research_alphago_alphago-2Dgames-2Denglish_=DQIGaQ=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U=NbBKrBPWWTAfp_een5wnh2rUKa2Rtv0nPE0GGyoIUSQ=wa5KR9ywvzFZsR_3EMUX4SOzu3Nnkk8YamJJk9-VcvU=XVTGs4Q_7WgeaciJv6vGgubF5P5Ojid_z-I23Mh53RI= 


OHASHI Hirofumi 6d pro said
"I understood AlphaGo is extremely strong even if 5sec/move."

Thanks
Hiroshi Yamashita

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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo selfplay 3 games

[Richard Lorentz]

After following the link and then playing out one of the games in my 
browser (Chrome) I don't see the variations. Can anyone help me figure 
out how to make them visible?


Thanks.

-Richard


On 09/14/2016 02:25 AM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote:

Hi,

DeepMind published AlphaGo's selfplay 3 games with comment.

AlphaGo Games - English
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deepmind.com_research_alphago_alphago-2Dgames-2Denglish_=DQIGaQ=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U=NbBKrBPWWTAfp_een5wnh2rUKa2Rtv0nPE0GGyoIUSQ=wa5KR9ywvzFZsR_3EMUX4SOzu3Nnkk8YamJJk9-VcvU=XVTGs4Q_7WgeaciJv6vGgubF5P5Ojid_z-I23Mh53RI= 


OHASHI Hirofumi 6d pro said
"I understood AlphaGo is extremely strong even if 5sec/move."

Thanks
Hiroshi Yamashita

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[Computer-go] AlphaGo selfplay 3 games

[Hiroshi Yamashita]

Hi,

DeepMind published AlphaGo's selfplay 3 games with comment.

AlphaGo Games - English
https://deepmind.com/research/alphago/alphago-games-english/

OHASHI Hirofumi 6d pro said
"I understood AlphaGo is extremely strong even if 5sec/move."

Thanks
Hiroshi Yamashita

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