Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
On Mar 20, 2015, at 5:11 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: So, I now have a new version of my bot running on CGOS (http://cgos.boardspace.net/13x13/cross/Imrscl-016-AMAF.html). It's still considerably weaker than GnuGo so I'm pretty sure it will loose all games against it. However, it's now much stronger than any other bot running on CGOS and I guess it will be hard to get a good rating. Are there any bots that I could run that are weaker than GnuGo, but not that much weaker? I started myCtest-20k-UCT (BayesELO=1187), and myCtest-40k-UCT (1343). If necssary I will run an -80k version instead of the -20k. Christoph ps. If someone stopped ‘Stop-08’, ’Stop-05’ and ‘resign13’ we would get more useful games. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Thanks Christoph! On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Christoph Birk b...@obs.carnegiescience.edu wrote: On Mar 20, 2015, at 5:11 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: So, I now have a new version of my bot running on CGOS ( http://cgos.boardspace.net/13x13/cross/Imrscl-016-AMAF.html). It's still considerably weaker than GnuGo so I'm pretty sure it will loose all games against it. However, it's now much stronger than any other bot running on CGOS and I guess it will be hard to get a good rating. Are there any bots that I could run that are weaker than GnuGo, but not that much weaker? I started myCtest-20k-UCT (BayesELO=1187), and myCtest-40k-UCT (1343). If necssary I will run an -80k version instead of the -20k. Christoph ps. If someone stopped ‘Stop-08’, ’Stop-05’ and ‘resign13’ we would get more useful games. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:29 PM, folkert folk...@vanheusden.com wrote: I have a small cluster of raspberry pi-s (7) that normally run a distributed chess engine. Since they're mostly idle, I can a couple of Go engines on them if you like. They're the 512MB rpi1 models. There's +/- 256MB of ram available on them. If you want I can hand over the details for Brown. It's just a random player, but it's a good benchmark to check for serious bugs, i.e. if you loose to Brown you have a really bad bug in your program and you need to check your code. I can of course continue to run it, but it won't be online 24/7. I also assume that a raspberry pi could be enough to run GnuGo 3.8 (I use the following options: --mode gtp --level 10 --chinese-rules --positional-superko --capture-all-dead --score aftermath --play-out-aftermath) Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
I have a small cluster of raspberry pi-s (7) that normally run a distributed chess engine. Since they're mostly idle, I can a couple of Go engines on them if you like. They're the 512MB rpi1 models. There's +/- 256MB of ram available on them. (it plays as `DBPPuppetMaster' on fics (freechess.org)) Folkert van Heusden -- You've probably gotten really fed up with never winning in the Mega- Millions lottery. Well, weep no longer: www.smartwinning.info tells you everything that might help you deciding what numbers to choose. With nice graphs and pretty animations! ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Christoph Birk b...@obs.carnegiescience.edu wrote: myCtest-xxk is a pure random player. myCtest-xxk-UCT adds a tree, nothing else. Thank you Christoph. It's just that sometimes your bots aren't running so I'd like to run some other bots myself, too. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 7:48 PM, folkert folk...@vanheusden.com wrote: `Stop' is definately between brown and maybe a tiny bit better than that. http://www.vanheusden.com/stop/ I'll see if I can connecct it to the 13x13 server. Thank you Folkert! -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Thanks Petr, I'm now running AmiGoGtp on CGOS, too. I think that's enough bots on my machine for now. Hopefully, the bot will be strong enough soon enough to make that work. Urban On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz wrote: Hi! On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 10:08:04AM +0100, Urban Hafner wrote: I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. What about libego? That used to be a pretty basic MCTS. Or you could try running a super-weak Pachi: Pachi can be used as a test opponent for development of other go-playing programs. For example, to get the plainest UCT player, use: ./pachi -t =5000 policy=ucb1,playout=light,prior=eqex=0,dynkomi=none,pondering=0,pass_all_alive (see Experiments and Testing section in README for more details) This is plain UCT with light playouts and no move priors. If you just implemented the basic algorithms, your program should be equal or better than this. (Of course you can then gradually enable some pieces, or even just some of the priors/playout heuristics. I'd recommend implementing, in the order of priority, captures and 3x3 patterns in playouts, priors for the same in the tree, and RAVE. Don't bother tuning things too much before having RAVE as that is a big game-changer; but it probably won't work well without at least the playout heuristics I mentioned.) -- Petr Baudis If you do not work on an important problem, it's unlikely you'll do important work. -- R. Hamming http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
On Mar 9, 2015, at 2:08 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. myCtest-xxk is a pure random player. myCtest-xxk-UCT adds a tree, nothing else. Christoph ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
On Mar 9, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Christoph Birk b...@obs.carnegiescience.edu wrote: On Mar 9, 2015, at 2:08 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. myCtest-xxk is a pure random player. I meant to write pure MC player. myCtest-xxk-UCT adds a tree, nothing else. Christoph ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Hi, I would like to ask the owner of 'resign13' to stop it, please. I'm running 'resign13'. I think it's elo is -407, not zero. http://cgos.boardspace.net/13x13/cross/resign13.html Standing list shows zero. but I think it is maybe not correct. http://cgos.boardspace.net/13x13/standings.html I stopped it. The reason I run is to save cpu power. I'm running anchor Gnugo-3.7.10-a1. If someone could run anchor, please mail me. If there is few bots on CGOS 13x13 again, I'll put it again. Regards, Hiroshi Yamashita ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. `Stop' is definately between brown and maybe a tiny bit better than that. http://www.vanheusden.com/stop/ I'll see if I can connecct it to the 13x13 server. Folkert van Heusden -- You've probably gotten really fed up with never winning in the Mega- Millions lottery. Well, weep no longer: www.smartwinning.info tells you everything that might help you deciding what numbers to choose. With nice graphs and pretty animations! ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
I would like to ask the owner of 'resign13' to stop it, please. Since the rating algorithm appears to be capped at '0' Elo, 'resign13' is skewing the ratings at the lower end. Thanks, Christoph ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Hey everyone, I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Thanks Erik! Yes, that will work. Urban On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps AmiGo http://amigogtp.sourceforge.net/ On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: Hey everyone, I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Hi! On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 10:08:04AM +0100, Urban Hafner wrote: I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. What about libego? That used to be a pretty basic MCTS. Or you could try running a super-weak Pachi: Pachi can be used as a test opponent for development of other go-playing programs. For example, to get the plainest UCT player, use: ./pachi -t =5000 policy=ucb1,playout=light,prior=eqex=0,dynkomi=none,pondering=0,pass_all_alive (see Experiments and Testing section in README for more details) This is plain UCT with light playouts and no move priors. If you just implemented the basic algorithms, your program should be equal or better than this. (Of course you can then gradually enable some pieces, or even just some of the priors/playout heuristics. I'd recommend implementing, in the order of priority, captures and 3x3 patterns in playouts, priors for the same in the tree, and RAVE. Don't bother tuning things too much before having RAVE as that is a big game-changer; but it probably won't work well without at least the playout heuristics I mentioned.) -- Petr Baudis If you do not work on an important problem, it's unlikely you'll do important work. -- R. Hamming http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Perhaps AmiGo http://amigogtp.sourceforge.net/ On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: Hey everyone, I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
