Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything?

[Paul Meyer]

The article refers to "killer apps" surfacing for iPhone. The list
was *not* actually that impressive.  I don't know Zoho's office suite
so if that is a legitimate k.a., apologies to Wired.*

Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I really hate to be a wet blanket, but 
the iPhone just isn't going to  
>change anything that wasn't already in the process of changing.

Wired has a story about new software the iPhone has inspired.
http://www.wired.com/software/softwarereviews/news/2007/07/iphone_webapps

One you can view from your computer is www.gasapp.com

This is exactly what I was thinking of.



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Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything?

[Paul Meyer]

Quoting the Doctor, a woman after my own heart.

Constance Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, as the seventh Dr. Who says, 
"Time will tell.  It always does."

--Constance

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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything?

>OK. Games, iChat, office apps--this is nice, and understandable.  At
>least it's useful.  Guess I don't see it as that much of a change.

When one gets to a tipping point it does not take much of a change to 
produce a revolution. It is hard to spot the tipping point because the 
approach to the tipping point is just a bunch of small incremental 
changes. So what is the consequence of just one more small incremental 
change? Nothing, until you get to the tipping point.

Laser printers + WYSIWYG turned the whole printing industry upside down.

MP3 + hard drive in a small box turned the whole music industry upside 
down.



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Re: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

[Jordman]

The ones to be afraid of are the ones that don't know enough to be 
afraid of Cheney.



  




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Re: [CGUYS] Surface Computing - the future may be near

[Jordman]

No, it's much less useful that that!


Tom Piwowar wrote:
I think that Surface Computing is a Touch Screen Kiosk turned 
horizontal instead of vertical. Another "innovation" from MS.



Isn't it like a $10,000 iPhone, just a little bit bigger and bulkier?



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Re: [CGUYS] Fwd: Did you get the funny sunglasses?

[Tom Piwowar]

>Cool. We're _all_ getting funny sunglasses?

I did get mine. 



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Re: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

Constance Warner
> Wow--this is turning into a thriller plot. (I was more
> interested in the technical questions.)  The usual way
> to get by if someone fingers you in unfriendly territory
> as a North American tourist is to say, "We're Canadian,"
> with or without Maple Leaf t-shirts and references to the
> Calgary Stampede.  That's supposed to work; but not if
> you have an RFID in your knapsack that says where you're
> really from.

At one point there was talk about putting RFID tags all over
the place, in sneakers, clothes, etc. and the privacy concerns
that were raised because of that.  Is that still in the future
or is that no longer very likely (price on the tags still too
high, etc.)

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Re: [CGUYS] Surface Computing - the future may be near

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

Tom Piwowar
>>>Isn't it like a $10,000 iPhone, just a little bit bigger
>>> and bulkier?

>>Not really, no.

> You mean it can't make phone calls? What the  am I
> getting for my money!?

Like the parody says, a big A** table!

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Re: [CGUYS] Fwd: Did you get the funny sunglasses?

[John DeCarlo]

Is that a real person on the web site?  That woman's head is around 1/10th
the size of her chest.

On 7/12/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



  



--
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



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Re: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

[mike]

That's ok cause the ones afraid of Cheney are already in tin foil hats.  I
still say use the hammer!

Mike

On 7/12/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I would not mess with them. You might find yourself in the airport
basement being interrogated by Dick Cheney. Better to go with the tin
foil helmet.






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Re: [CGUYS] Fwd: Did you get the funny sunglasses?

[Michel Lowe]

I've already got funny sun glasses.  Can I get funny Groucho glasses with
the nose and mustache instead?
-Mike

__
Michel David Lowe
Purcellville, VA

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony B
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 4:29 PM
> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
> Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Fwd: Did you get the funny sunglasses?
> 
> Cool. We're _all_ getting funny sunglasses?
> 
> On 7/12/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Subject: Did you get the funny sunglasses?
> > Sent:7/10/20 3:33 PM
> > Received:7/12/07 1:18 PM
> 
> > Enclosures:  Administaff-Tag.jpg
> >  octback.jpg
> >
> > Thomas,
> >
> > Did you get my little gift and do they look good on you?   :)
> >
> > Why sunglasses?   The administrative burden and liability exposure of
> > being an employer can be glaring.  We can help keep you from losing
> > sight of your personal vision for your company by keeping you focused on
> > what you do best.
> >
> > Administaff helps business owners succeed by providing administrative
> > relief, big company benefits and a systematic way to improve
> > productivity.
> >
> > I would like to talk to you a bit more about how we help at your
> > convenience.
> >
> > Have a wonderful holiday!!
> > Paula



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Re: [CGUYS] Surface Computing - the future may be near

[Chris Dunford]

I don't really see how anyone could have done that, since the project has been 
known about
for quite a while. For example, see this, dated March, 2005:

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/004423.html



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Re: [CGUYS] Fwd: Did you get the funny sunglasses?

[Tony B]

Cool. We're _all_ getting funny sunglasses?

On 7/12/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Subject: Did you get the funny sunglasses?
Sent:7/10/20 3:33 PM
Received:7/12/07 1:18 PM



Enclosures:  Administaff-Tag.jpg
 octback.jpg

Thomas,

Did you get my little gift and do they look good on you?   :)

Why sunglasses?   The administrative burden and liability exposure of
being an employer can be glaring.  We can help keep you from losing
sight of your personal vision for your company by keeping you focused on
what you do best.

Administaff helps business owners succeed by providing administrative
relief, big company benefits and a systematic way to improve
productivity.

I would like to talk to you a bit more about how we help at your
convenience.

Have a wonderful holiday!!
Paula




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Re: [CGUYS] Surface Computing - the future may be near

[John Duncan Yoyo]

The Table is a _Land of the Giants: the Motion Picture_ prop.  The
iPhone made into a table.

Speculation had MS rushing this to market to prevent people from
claiming that MS stole the idea from Apple.



On 7/12/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>Isn't it like a $10,000 iPhone, just a little bit bigger and bulkier?
>
>Not really, no.

You mean it can't make phone calls? What the  am I getting for my
money!?



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Re: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

[John Duncan Yoyo]

RFID chips in passports are there to make them less easily faked.  I
would assume any passport that should have one but doesn't would come
under extra scrutiny- so busting it with a hammer is probably a good
way to spend extra hours in airport security.

Go for the wallet.


Or make your own out of  tin foil and duct tape


On 7/12/07, Constance Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Wow--this is turning into a thriller plot. (I was more interested in the technical 
questions.)  The usual way to get by if someone fingers you in unfriendly territory as a 
North American tourist is to say, "We're Canadian," with or without Maple Leaf 
t-shirts and references to the Calgary Stampede.  That's supposed to work; but not if you 
have an RFID in your knapsack that says where you're really from.

And, to continue the thriller plot, you wouldn't want to marry an RFID reader 
to a sniper rifle, even if the tech would work.  Live hostages are worth far 
more than tourists found dead in mysterious circumstances (whose assassination 
could be claimed by multiple groups of bad guys).

I'm still interested in the technical question: exactly why are RFID chips in 
the passports in the first place, and what exactly are they used for?  Are 
there any consequences if they stop working?  Passport RFID's sound pretty 
silly to me--the kind of thing that happens when someone's brother-in-law is 
the chief contractor.

--Constance Warner



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Re: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Hey you are totally safe if you stay behind him, but if he says take 
point, RUN!


Stewart


At 01:58 PM 7/12/2007, you wrote:


Worse yet you might be invited to go bird hunting with him!


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Re: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

[Ken Hansen]

Tom Piwowar wrote:



I would not mess with them. You might find yourself in the airport 
basement being interrogated by Dick Cheney.


Worse yet you might be invited to go bird hunting with him!



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Re: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

[Constance Warner]

Wow--this is turning into a thriller plot. (I was more interested in the 
technical questions.)  The usual way to get by if someone fingers you in 
unfriendly territory as a North American tourist is to say, "We're Canadian," 
with or without Maple Leaf t-shirts and references to the Calgary Stampede.  
That's supposed to work; but not if you have an RFID in your knapsack that says 
where you're really from.

And, to continue the thriller plot, you wouldn't want to marry an RFID reader 
to a sniper rifle, even if the tech would work.  Live hostages are worth far 
more than tourists found dead in mysterious circumstances (whose assassination 
could be claimed by multiple groups of bad guys).

I'm still interested in the technical question: exactly why are RFID chips in 
the passports in the first place, and what exactly are they used for?  Are 
there any consequences if they stop working?  Passport RFID's sound pretty 
silly to me--the kind of thing that happens when someone's brother-in-law is 
the chief contractor.

--Constance Warner 

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On Behalf Of Mike Sloane
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

Not to treat your concerns lightly, but if your average 
kidnapper/terrorist in a "third world" country can't spot an American 
tourist 100 yards away, he must be pretty pretty blind. I am willing to 
bet money that the average 10 year old urchin in 
Khartoum/Baghdad/Bogotá/Tehran/etc. could tell you the nationality of 98 
out of 100 foreigners in the local market on any given day. They don't 
need an RFID scanner.

Mike

Constance Warner wrote:
> Sorry to be so paranoid, but--
> 
> Doesn't the presence of a passport RFID show that you are a U.S. citizen
> to anybody who has the right equipment and who is looking for U.S.
> citizens with purposes in mind that don't bode well for said citizens?
> I would imagine that equipment to detect the passport RFID's can't be
> that hard to buy, steal, or modify from similar equipment already in
> use.  It's a long shot that a Bad Guy would use this modality to pick
> out somebody to kill or kidnap, but I'm not sure it can be ruled out
> completely.  Perhaps others on the list can weigh in on this, if it is a
> potential hazard.
> 
> That having been said, I'm not sure what use the U.S. Government is
> going to make of the RFID's, and whether there would be any consequences
> if you showed up at an embassy or a consulate with an RFID that was MIA.
> (I have relatives who travel abroad, but they have older passports
> without RFID's, so I'm not worried about them in this respect.)
> 
> --Constance Warner
> 



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Re: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

[Mike Sloane]

Not to treat your concerns lightly, but if your average 
kidnapper/terrorist in a "third world" country can't spot an American 
tourist 100 yards away, he must be pretty pretty blind. I am willing to 
bet money that the average 10 year old urchin in 
Khartoum/Baghdad/Bogotá/Tehran/etc. could tell you the nationality of 98 
out of 100 foreigners in the local market on any given day. They don't 
need an RFID scanner.


Mike

Constance Warner wrote:

Sorry to be so paranoid, but--

Doesn't the presence of a passport RFID show that you are a U.S. citizen
to anybody who has the right equipment and who is looking for U.S.
citizens with purposes in mind that don't bode well for said citizens?
I would imagine that equipment to detect the passport RFID's can't be
that hard to buy, steal, or modify from similar equipment already in
use.  It's a long shot that a Bad Guy would use this modality to pick
out somebody to kill or kidnap, but I'm not sure it can be ruled out
completely.  Perhaps others on the list can weigh in on this, if it is a
potential hazard.

That having been said, I'm not sure what use the U.S. Government is
going to make of the RFID's, and whether there would be any consequences
if you showed up at an embassy or a consulate with an RFID that was MIA.
(I have relatives who travel abroad, but they have older passports
without RFID's, so I'm not worried about them in this respect.)

--Constance Warner





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Re: [CGUYS] Surface Computing - the future may be near

[Tom Piwowar]

>>Isn't it like a $10,000 iPhone, just a little bit bigger and bulkier?
>
>Not really, no.

You mean it can't make phone calls? What the  am I getting for my 
money!?



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Re: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

[Tom Piwowar]

>Doesn't the presence of a passport RFID show that you are a U.S. citizen
>to anybody who has the right equipment and who is looking for U.S.
>citizens with purposes in mind that don't bode well for said citizens?

Yep. You just attach a detector to your sniperscope and it will pick your 
targets for you. How convenient!

>That having been said, I'm not sure what use the U.S. Government is
>going to make of the RFID's, and whether there would be any consequences
>if you showed up at an embassy or a consulate with an RFID that was MIA.

I would not mess with them. You might find yourself in the airport 
basement being interrogated by Dick Cheney. Better to go with the tin 
foil helmet.



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Re: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

[Tony B]

Yes, it does. In many hostage situations the first thing terrorists do
is collect passports. Up to now we've been protected against blind
terrorists, but with RFID even visually impaired terrorists can tell
we're from the US!

On 7/12/07, Constance Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Sorry to be so paranoid, but--

Doesn't the presence of a passport RFID show that you are a U.S. citizen
to anybody who has the right equipment and who is looking for U.S.
citizens with purposes in mind that don't bode well for said citizens?




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Re: [CGUYS] Surface Computing - the future may be near

[Chris Dunford]

>>I think that Surface Computing is a Touch Screen Kiosk turned 
>>horizontal instead of vertical. Another "innovation" from MS.
>
>Isn't it like a $10,000 iPhone, just a little bit bigger and bulkier?

Not really, no.



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Re: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

[Constance Warner]

Sorry to be so paranoid, but--

Doesn't the presence of a passport RFID show that you are a U.S. citizen
to anybody who has the right equipment and who is looking for U.S.
citizens with purposes in mind that don't bode well for said citizens?
I would imagine that equipment to detect the passport RFID's can't be
that hard to buy, steal, or modify from similar equipment already in
use.  It's a long shot that a Bad Guy would use this modality to pick
out somebody to kill or kidnap, but I'm not sure it can be ruled out
completely.  Perhaps others on the list can weigh in on this, if it is a
potential hazard.

That having been said, I'm not sure what use the U.S. Government is
going to make of the RFID's, and whether there would be any consequences
if you showed up at an embassy or a consulate with an RFID that was MIA.
(I have relatives who travel abroad, but they have older passports
without RFID's, so I'm not worried about them in this respect.)

--Constance Warner

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Subject: [CGUYS] Passport RFID

Sorry if this has been covered before, but I just got one.

Is there anything in a passport RFID chip that I should be
concerned with, other than that some people have recommended
microwaving it to destroy the chip?



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Re: [CGUYS] Surface Computing - the future may be near

[Tom Piwowar]

>I think that Surface Computing is a Touch Screen Kiosk turned 
>horizontal instead of vertical. Another "innovation" from MS.

Isn't it like a $10,000 iPhone, just a little bit bigger and bulkier?



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Re: [CGUYS] Surface Computing - the future may be near

[Tom Piwowar]

>> http://www.microsoft.com/surface/

Video crashed my web browser (FireFox Mac). Guess I'll have to turn on my 
PC.



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