Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
Nice theory, but I run an open community site in the Washington DC area, not a PC oriented site. If anything, one would expect a _higher_ than normal percentage of Mac users. On 7/29/07, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on, Mark. Maybe 2% is all the Mac visitors to Tony's site. The rest aren't interested in going there. That's his stats, not Apple's reality. Sounds like sour grapes. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
Admittedly this is a small sample but my stat logs back up what Tony claimed 168,000 total page requests 160,700 Windows 5130 OS Unknown 1204 Mac 619 Unix 614 Linux 4 SunOS 1 Other Unix 209 Known robots In percentage terms: Windows 97.72 Unknown 1.15 MacOS .96 the rest .29 So, even assuming unknown are all Mac, 2.11% The browser stats are just as interesting (IMO) IE 155,700 Netscape /Mozilla and Netscape compatible 8630 msnbot 1191 Konqueror 421 Java 389 Opera 162 the rest (bots and spiders) 1426 Which begs the question: how much time and money SHOULD a developer or business spend making their site easily usable to 'all' browsers? - Original Message - From: b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Come on, Mark. Maybe 2% is all the Mac visitors to Tony's site. The rest aren't interested in going there. That's his stats, not Apple's reality. Sounds like sour grapes. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
The problem is there is only one browser that is mucking it up for the rest. There is absolutely no reason why IE can't conform to standards other then trying once again to try and leverage other companies out. There aren't any gee wiz technologies coming from IE to warrant the issues they cause. Mike On 7/29/07, Tom Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which begs the question: how much time and money SHOULD a developer or business spend making their site easily usable to 'all' browsers? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I don't disagree. But given the penetration that IE already has often determines by default what a developer does. - Original Message - From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit The problem is there is only one browser that is mucking it up for the rest. There is absolutely no reason why IE can't conform to standards other then trying once again to try and leverage other companies out. There aren't any gee wiz technologies coming from IE to warrant the issues they cause. Mike On 7/29/07, Tom Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which begs the question: how much time and money SHOULD a developer or business spend making their site easily usable to 'all' browsers? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/mai llist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 7/28/2007 3:50 PM * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
The browser stats are just as interesting (IMO) So, even assuming unknown are all Mac, 2.11% If you are making the decision for *your* site then your stats *may* be a good guide. But you also need to consider if: 1) The content of your site might just be unappealing to effeminate Mac users. 2) It may be smarter to target who you want, rather than who you have. 3) Many Mac users set their browser to masquerade as Win IE to avoid brain-dead gatekeeper pages. So you may not bee seeing them. 3) A significant percentage of vistors to websites are from bots and crawlers looking to map your site or find vulnerabilities. While the legitimate ones will be using Xnix, the botnets will be using PCs. That will skew stats significantly. Your stats show too few crawlers so this is suspicious. 4) We don't know how accurate your detection is. Your browser stats look very skewed. Perhaps MS wrote your logging software? Which begs the question: how much time and money SHOULD a developer or business spend making their site easily usable to 'all' browsers? If you make your site hostile to anyone not using Win IE you are creating a self-fulfilling situation. The share of non-MSIE browsers in the general population is about 25%. If you think that much of the market is insignificant you may be making a bad decision. A good source of stats is marketshare.hitslink.com * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone cracked
The iPhone has a sim slot right on the top. You push a tiny button and it pops out. Mason b_s-wilk wrote: The discrepancy may be for people who bought the iPhone and use it with PAYGO. That wouldn't register as a regular ATT account, since you don't have to give personal information to sign up. The phone can't be opened to switch SIM cards, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's been done successfully, either by reprogramming externally or opening the iPhone and voiding the warranty [safer than putting it in a blender]. Does it have a SIM? Betty There were discrepancies between numbers ATT posted of Iphone sales and numbers Apple posted of I phone sales. When it all boiled down it seems Apple may have included # shipped by end of quarter and ATT counted actual number sold by end of quarter and the difference was in inventory still in transit. The number was significant, about 100,000 phones, with Apple reporting 250,000 (approx) and ATT reporting less than 150,000. So you can understand the panic. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
On Jul 29, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Tom Campbell wrote: Admittedly this is a small sample but my stat logs back up what Tony claimed I make signs. It is quite obvious to me that in the signmaking business, Windows machines are hugely dominant. Rare is the sign shop that uses Macs, and it is likely that no franchise operation uses Macs. Your stats do not surprise me at all. Ditto for the picture framing industry. Frame shops that use Macs are virtually unheard of. That is because almost all producers of software for the framing industry write solely for Windows. If you want to computerize your frame shop, you essentially have to run Windows. Therefore, any framing related website will indicate stats similar to yours. Automotive service and dealerships, the same thing. I have never seen anything but DOS/Windows running in a car dealership or service facility in my entire life. Related websites would show stats like yours, and probably far more skewed toward Windows. Lawyers similarly are almost exclusively Windows users, so ditto for stats on legal websites. Lawyers also predominately use AOL, which is why it is not so jokingly referred to as Attorneys On Line. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I don't disagree. But given the penetration that IE already has often determines by default what a developer does. Depends on the psychological profile of the developer. A daily drudge for whom it is all just a job will probably code for Win IE and do as little as possible to be hospitable to other browsers. Somebody who is excited by Web technology and loves to keep up with the cutting edge will be coding to the W3C standard and then using one of the patch libraries to fix IE or adding code to dumb down the page to work with IE. Dreamweaver even has several IE work-arounds available from its menus. Personally, I don't think we should allow MS to dumb down the Web. In our trainig classes we stress the stuff that works well in all current browsers. We only occasionally show stuff the does not work in IE. When we teach a non-IE feature we caution students to use it to enhance a page that already works in IE. So the msssing function will just be a nice enhancement, not a critical function. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I didn't research it fully having marginal interest in the facts...I am cursed with a total recall memory...it was somewhere on the Yahoo! Homepage in the tech news or business news ...the iPhone is gonna need interoperability (betwixt air vendors, I sure ain'gonna pay $2/min when traveling outa the USA), 3g (not just gprs), unlock (to do what they have done in Europe for years...you travel stop in a corner store buy a sim with minutes you throw away or just call in your credit card # to renew), a high degree of open source (like my BELOVED razrV3 to which I have added quite a few improvements), most of all, a user replacable battery (jeez, what are they thinking?? For instance...my v3 came with a 750mAh battery which I promptly replaced with a 1900mAh aftermarket battery which works perfectly). Further, the original v3 had volume issues with the ear speaker with BT. Outside programmers (hackers) provided access means to the gain table which, when tweaked, gives good volume for both. Shortly in my first year I scratched the case leading to sadness. Motorola wanted a lot of money to replace the case; don't even talk about Cingular. I went on a website well known to everyone v3 oriented and ordered the OEM parts furnished with clear illustrated instructions and even the needed torx screwdriver fixed it myself for a fraction of the cost. Enterprising individuals, together with OperaMini to replace the horrible internal WAP browser many other Java software titles, have made my v3 a pleasure to have and use! A phone is not a prison!! I will not get an iPhone until they settle many if not most of those issues. -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 12:36 PM To: rlsimon Subject: RE: Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit But, I read somewhere the profit was from iPods stuff, not iPhone which, disappointed ...their words! Whenever you read something like that you should make a note of the author's name in your works for Microsoft list. The iPhone is just out a few weeks so profits should be $zero in last quarter's figures. With the high volume of sales and a price that is double the manufacturing cost Apple has a lot of wiggle room to adjust to market conditions if they need to. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] shredding services
The photos on the website showed trucks from the Shred-it company. I know that they shred on-site, in the trucks. They dump your boxes directly into the shredders on their trucks, while you watch. Date:Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:39:51 -0400 From: Alvin Auerbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: shredding services MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed There is no way for me to evaluate the risk, as I know nothing about the people, machines, and procedures being used to accomplish the shredding and disposal. Since the whole idea of shredding is to keep others from viewing sensitive information, my preference is to not have that information placed in the hands of others before it is shredded. Of course I understand that many people have a different preference, based on the number of cars shown in the photographs of the event. My attitudes may be shaped from my experience working for the Navy. We personally shredded our classified documents. We did not give them to anyone else for shredding, even if they had a security clearance. The shredder was an advanced model which turned the paper into dust particles smaller than a period at the end of a sentence. how big a risk do you consider this to be? Alvin Auerbach wrote: Note that the shedding is not done in front of your eyes. They load your papers on a truck and take them away, so you're trusting all of the people who handle your papers. Judy Cosler next one is mid to late Sept community shred http://www.nbc4.com/sponsors/5340872/detail.html Thank you very much for this info. I'm actually a little surprised that some place like Staples or Kinko's don't have this, they have photo-copying, this would seem to be the other side of that. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D.| supply this, at least not directly I've never seen so damn many Indians. --G.A. Custer ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
I decided to google ATS. http://tinyurl.com/388uun Gosh, what an objective source. And a phantom IT manager with no name or ability to confirm the claim. What a story. Here's mine. We lost yet another eMac to a logic board failure, which has to be replaced to fix the problem. To their credit, Apple is fixing this outside of warranty. Not to their credit, we're without this machine for 2-3 weeks while it's repaired off-site. Were this a Dell, I'd have the PC fixed by a tech, on site, at worst the next day, with minimal downtime. The PC user, in this case, is productive. The Mac user is not. We support Blackberries in my .org. We have a Blackberry Enterprise Server and that gives secure, real-time wireless synching. Anyone else with something else has to use SSL IMAP. If their device won't support that, tough luck. I'll help you set up your personal device so it will work with our network, if you need it, but any other personal device support is on your own. IT is a 2-way conversation and yes, absolutely, it should be enabling the company to be more productive. I am constantly lobbying for systems that will decentralize information to the user population, giving enterprise-wide access to it when they need it, not keeping it cooped up in a departmental data silo. But, usually that can't be met due to budgetary constraints. I've been trying to get an industry-targeted CRM system in for over 3 years now, without success. Money is the obstacle. That's too bad, because this system is something we sorely need. Oh, and the Mac-using dept I have is the one who doesn't want to change and use this new system. They like their FileMaker files just the way they are, that unpredictably corrupt and that no one else can access. I've been trying to get an enterprise-level digital asset manager system, like Extensis, in so other departments can have access to our image store for their own needs, but marketing won't release its grip on control and again, money is another issue. The users have to be able to articulate their business need for the company to properly commit resources to that need. At the same time, the users need to realize that resources are limited and not every need can be met when they want it. Of course, if you're a CEO, who only knows what he wants and wants it yesterday, the reasons be damned, then its everyone else's fault. -Original Message- Things are quiet; time for a flame war! From eWeek.com: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2158304,00.asp I especially liked the end of the article: In my column, I mentioned a report of an IT manager who was lobbying his clients against the iPhone and the Macintosh. He said he would quit before he would allow a Mac in his environment. This drew a strong response from Daniel Reiss, president and CEO of Automated Terminal Systems, of Washington. He said that IT consultant would be quickly out on the curb. Too many [people] in IT departments do not understand their function, or who actually earns the revenue that allows [IT workers] to be paid regularly. It is not the function of the IT department to block technology or innovation. Neither is it the mission of IT workers to make their own jobs easier, rather to facilitate the work of the end users. Whatever benefits [users] will benefit the organization and ultimately IT, he said. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
Well stated Paul. -Original Message- I think the article is mistaken about the conservatism of IT departments. (Surely there is misinformation coming sales reps - eg MS - about other technologies but I think they take advantage of a certain reality and don't create it.) That reality is that IT resources, especially user support resources are a relative and perhaps an absolute constraint on how users can use their systems. This is a constant theme in the history of desktop computing and we have seen the entire retail support industry outsourced to India (!). So whether you have a Mac, Wintel or Linux shop, de-standardizing has real costs and the costs can be substantial and they can be hard to predict. The same thing can be said of giving the users freedom. Adding more configurations and more technologies, tools to support probably adds to IT resources in a non- linear manner. IMHO -Pjm * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
Thanks, Jeff. Here is more grist for you mill, previously posted. The Linux Action Show complains that the biggest pain in terms of open shop support is OSX because Apple takes such pains to disallow OSX running in a virtual session (and those boys are have love for MS). Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well stated Paul. -Original Message- I think the article is mistaken about the conservatism of IT departments. (Surely there is misinformation coming sales reps - eg MS - about other technologies but I think they take advantage of a certain reality and don't create it.) That reality is that IT resources, especially user support resources are a relative and perhaps an absolute constraint on how users can use their systems. This is a constant theme in the history of desktop computing and we have seen the entire retail support industry outsourced to India (!). So whether you have a Mac, Wintel or Linux shop, de-standardizing has real costs and the costs can be substantial and they can be hard to predict. The same thing can be said of giving the users freedom. Adding more configurations and more technologies, tools to support probably adds to IT resources in a non- linear manner. IMHO -Pjm * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] OS X maintenance routines
Are Mac OS X maintenance routines supposed to be run for each and every user of a given machine, or can a single administrator run the routines and have the results be of equal benefit to all users? Depends on which maintenance routines you are talking about. The daily, weekly, monthly scripts all work on files at the system level so it doesn't matter who is logged in when they run. But this is not the case for all maintenance routines. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
Not to their credit, we're without this machine for 2-3 weeks while it's repaired off-site. Were this a Dell, I'd have the PC fixed by a tech, on site, at worst the next day, with minimal downtime. The PC user, in this case, is productive. The Mac user is not. So objective. Compare a real response to a hypothetical and sing the praises of what the hypothetical vendor might have done in some fantasy situation. I have read many happy reports from Mac owners where Apple provided service on the spot at the Apple store or air shipping a fixed machine in 48 hours. We have had recent reports on this List of Dell sending on-site techs who were totally clueless and unable to make even simple repairs. I read recently how Dell dragged their feet on a repair until the warrenty period ran out and then would not compelete the repair. It all depends on the specific situation and the phase of the moon. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
So objective. Compare a real response to a hypothetical and sing the praises of what the hypothetical vendor might have done in some fantasy situation. Are you still sniffing the iPhone glue? These are both real situations, neither is hypothetical, so what is your point? I have read many happy reports from Mac owners where Apple provided service on the spot at the Apple store or air shipping a fixed machine in 48 hours. Bully for them; I would kill to get that response time from Apple. Did any of them get support on-site at *their* business or did they all conform to Apple's Schlep-it-Yourself policy? We have had recent reports on this List of Dell sending on-site techs who were totally clueless and unable to make even simple repairs. I read recently how Dell dragged their feet on a repair until the warrenty period ran out and then would not compelete the repair. Not my experience at all in over a decade of using Dell. Dell has stood by every repair ever made for my .org and *never* dragged its feet. Just to make my point, the other day I spent 4 hours on the phone with a Dell support tech (who was located in Round Rock, TX, BTW) making sure that our tape autoloader wasn't the problem with our very slow backups, now that we upgraded to Backup Exec 11d. The technician was patient, courteous and professional and ran every test possible just to rule out the possibility of it being the problem. The problem is with Symantec, of course, but I wanted to have that on record. Now, I get to go back to Symantec's support tech *again,* not located in this country. Not that I have a problem with that per se, but sometimes, you can cut the accent with a knife. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
2) It may be smarter to target who you want, rather than who you have My website is basically an order form and info site for customers. We don't use the web to solicit for customers. We provide outdoor advertising DC metro only so are uninterested in global marketing. Our customers use what they use. 3) A significant percentage of vistors to websites are from bots and crawlers looking to map your site or find vulnerabilities. While the there are lots of bots listed in my stats but in the interest of brevity, i lumped them all together They didn't support nor detract from the point I was making 4) We don't know how accurate your detection is. Your browser stats look very skewed. Perhaps MS wrote your logging software? I believe it is IIS raw logs Skewed how? On what do you base this? The report actually lists MSIE/6, MSIE/5, MSIE/4, MSIE/3, Mozilla/1, Mozilla/0, Netscape7, 8, 4 etc. There is actually a fair amount of detail by version. (5 different opera lisings) If you make your site hostile to anyone not using Win IE you are creating a self-fulfilling situation I'm not talking about actively making the website 'hostile' We've tested for IE, Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox. various versions. We've not bothered with Opera, Konqueror, etc. The share of non-MSIE browsers in the general population is about 25% Proffer??? : src=? If you think that much of the market is insignificant you may be making a bad decision. If that is so, I agree. I just don't know where some of the statistics come from. I shared our real world experience. That's all I have to go on. We've had no (zero) calls from 3800 customers saying that the website doesn't work with their browser. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] True type fonts in Vista
The true-type fonts I have been using for years in previous iterations of Windows (95, Win 2000 and XP) don't fit Vista's snarky moodiness. On trying to install them, I get an error message that they are not a correct font type. Any ideas why this might be, and how to convince Vista that everyone of its cousins and siblings got along OK with them? Quentin Fisher Bethesda, MD * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
All this being said, Jeff...why the blank blank blank are you using symantec? Just curious... Mike On 7/29/07, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So objective. Compare a real response to a hypothetical and sing the praises of what the hypothetical vendor might have done in some fantasy situation. Are you still sniffing the iPhone glue? These are both real situations, neither is hypothetical, so what is your point? I have read many happy reports from Mac owners where Apple provided service on the spot at the Apple store or air shipping a fixed machine in 48 hours. Bully for them; I would kill to get that response time from Apple. Did any of them get support on-site at *their* business or did they all conform to Apple's Schlep-it-Yourself policy? We have had recent reports on this List of Dell sending on-site techs who were totally clueless and unable to make even simple repairs. I read recently how Dell dragged their feet on a repair until the warrenty period ran out and then would not compelete the repair. Not my experience at all in over a decade of using Dell. Dell has stood by every repair ever made for my .org and *never* dragged its feet. Just to make my point, the other day I spent 4 hours on the phone with a Dell support tech (who was located in Round Rock, TX, BTW) making sure that our tape autoloader wasn't the problem with our very slow backups, now that we upgraded to Backup Exec 11d. The technician was patient, courteous and professional and ran every test possible just to rule out the possibility of it being the problem. The problem is with Symantec, of course, but I wanted to have that on record. Now, I get to go back to Symantec's support tech *again,* not located in this country. Not that I have a problem with that per se, but sometimes, you can cut the accent with a knife. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I still watch my 1984 Sony 25 xbr set and my v3 fone purchased in early 2005 and have, at present, no plans to replace it since it works fine with improvements to the firmware/software that I have installed and new case parts purchased and installed by yours truly as well. I drove a 1984 Chev S10 Blazer until last summer when I got a Toyota even though the truck was still running. My wife drove a 1987 VW Golf also still running when she gave it up (kickingscreaming) for a Jetta wagon around the same time. She still gives me a hard time over that and claims she would like the previous car back. Obsolescence is a myth; if the thing works for me, I don't melt with envy over a screen rotation scheme. My v3 will show webpages in landscape via a hacked version of my favorite browser from Russia. I hardly use it that way. My windows95 TI TM4000m 20mb/3gb laptop was in constant use until I finally gave in a couple of years ago and got a refurb dell pIV2 when the maxed ram on the laptop became stressful. If it had the capacity for more ram, I might still be using it. Conspicuous consumption!! Arrrgh!! -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 4:35 PM To: rlsimon; * Computer Guys Listserv Subject: RE: Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit most of all, a user replacable battery (jeez, what are they thinking?? For instance...my v3 came with a 750mAh battery which I promptly replaced with a 1900mAh aftermarket battery which works perfectly). A phone is not a prison!! I will not get an iPhone until they settle many if not most of those issues. I think some people anguish way to much about future hypotheticals. They said the same thing about the iPod. The battery in my 1st gen (2001) iPod lasted for many years. I replaced it once for around $35. I fully expect to be getting a new iPod before this 2nd battery needs replacement. I never expected to still be using it 6 years later. Why make up silly reasons to not get an iPhone? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I did not intend that you should go out and single handedly try to destroy the American economy. To the contrary, I was encouraging immediate consumption. The feature the current model lacks may not be as important as some think it is. I still watch my 1984 Sony 25 xbr set and my v3 fone purchased in early 2005 and have, at present, no plans to replace it since it works fine with improvements to the firmware/software that I have installed and new case parts purchased and installed by yours truly as well. I drove a 1984 Chev S10 Blazer until last summer when I got a Toyota even though the truck was still running. My wife drove a 1987 VW Golf also still running when she gave it up (kickingscreaming) for a Jetta wagon around the same time. She still gives me a hard time over that and claims she would like the previous car back. Obsolescence is a myth; if the thing works for me, I don't melt with envy over a screen rotation scheme. My v3 will show webpages in landscape via a hacked version of my favorite browser from Russia. I hardly use it that way. My windows95 TI TM4000m 20mb/3gb laptop was in constant use until I finally gave in a couple of years ago and got a refurb dell pIV2 when the maxed ram on the laptop became stressful. If it had the capacity for more ram, I might still be using it. Conspicuous consumption!! Arrrgh!! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
Not by choice. They bought Veritas, who used to make Backup Exec. The situation I'm in may be enough to put me onto a different product. I cringed the day I heard about the sale. On the day of the actual merger, the Symantec CEO was quoted as saying I don't know why we bought them. Head. Desk. Pound. -Original Message- All this being said, Jeff...why the blank blank blank are you using symantec? Just curious... * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] OS X maintenance routines
On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:56 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Don't need MacJanitor any more. The Mac checks at startup to see if the maintenance scripts ran overnight. If not, it runs them right then. I think that is in OS 10.4 and above. I still run 10.3.9. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] OS X maintenance routines
Which OS ver does that? 4 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
On 7/29/07, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... (who was located in Round Rock, TX, BTW) ... *again,* not located in this country. Not that I have a problem with that per se, but sometimes, you can cut the accent with a knife. Looks like you _do_ have a problem with _that_. There are a lot more of us who speak _English_ with an accent than those of you who speak _American_. It is a global economy. Get used to it! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
I don't think I'm the one who needs to get used to something. No, I *don't* have a problem with overseas tech support. I clearly said that. What I do have a problem with is not being able to understand the speaker because of a *very* thick accent. I think speaking clearly is a basic job skill for a tech support position in any language, don't you think? It's pretty simple: If I can't understand what you are saying, or vice-versa, then you are not qualified for that position because you are not helping me. Capiche? -Original Message- Looks like you _do_ have a problem with _that_. There are a lot more of us who speak _English_ with an accent than those of you who speak _American_. It is a global economy. Get used to it! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] OS X maintenance routines
Just wondering since I haven't had a mac since my 6360...Maintenance for what? Mike On 7/29/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the daily, weekly or monthly scripts such as run by MacJanitor Don't need MacJanitor any more. The Mac checks at startup to see if the maintenance scripts ran overnight. If not, it runs them right then. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
Slow down one of the reasons we cannot understand them is that they cannot speak English well enough to handle support calls. I myself am an immigrant and I am married to an immigrant (Although mine grew up speaking English, Canadian!) I also minister to a church that has many immigrants from Europe. If I am hired to do a job that will require me to speak to 90% or more of people who speak English than I will need to be able to speak English understandably enough for the customers to understand me, or else I need to find another job. I am being hired to speak English!! My father almost earned his PHD in engineering. One of the reasons he did not finish it, was because many of the universities that had Engineering PHD programs had hired foreign engineer teachers to teach at this level who could hardly speak English. They had to have translators available. These guys have to teach an overwhelmingly large percentage of English speaking students so do you not think speaking the language their students speak would be advisable? Before you make another comment, my mother is a native German, and my father could speak German and taught over in Germany for a number of years. Yes he could speak the language well. Yes I have had German, two years high school, and one year college. I also had to take Hebrew and Greek for seminary. So I am not a one language person. Oh the capiche remark was his attempt at being cute. (your comment was uncalled for, not all Italians have ever belonged to La Costra Nostra) I will not try to assume what your native tongue is, but do not start an ethnic war over a comment that was a reflection of poor hiring practices and the shipment overseas of all sorts of computer support jobs. Stewart At 10:18 PM 7/29/2007, you wrote: On 7/29/07, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think I'm the one who needs to get used to something. Right! They all should get used to you. The typical attitude of _some_ Americans! *sigh* You can't understand them because they speak with a different _accent_. So what chance of Americans have in understanding others if they speak a different language altogether? And, what's with the Capiche? Is that mafia-speak? You lecturing me? Whatever ... * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
