[CGUYS] Norton SystemWorks stumper
I have Norton SystemWorks 2005. The subscription renewal I got in Aug.'06, expired last month, as expected so, I recently bought the NSW Standard Edition Uprgrade. My problem is this: 1. If I install NSW 2005, it obviously shows the subscription has expired so, I try to install NSW SEU. I get an error so I un-install NSW 2005. 2. If I install NSW SEU, it installs all the way except, nothing shows up in the Start Menu or, on the desktop. I feel like my brain is oozing out my ears from picking it for an answer. I would appreciate some ideas on how, to fix this. Christopher * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus
I could describe MS selling of software slightly less cynical and propose that breaking old stuff is an unintended consequence of feature driven marketing, but it is still a problem and a top-down not a bottom -up initiated process. Still, the example with Vista is not compelling. You can't make planned obsolesence too obvious, it really pisses off consumers. And of course MS focus these days might be different today (e.g. survival) than 5 or 10 years ago (i.e., selling apps). - Original Message From: Roger D. Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:23:09 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus At 7:11 PM -0400 9/27/07, Steve Rigby wrote: On Sep 27, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Paul Meyer wrote: Rather than being consumer driven changes in software have always been largely done over the objections of the user base. IMHO (List, am I right?) I think you are pretty much right. And yet, a lot of Microsoft's difficulties stem from an apparent mandate to not break anything, no matter how old. In other words, backwards compatibility for user-developed applications (usually corporate; the guys who buy thousands and thousands of copies). That is why only the 64-bit version of Vista has the security really screwed down tight. If they did that in the 32-bit version, it would break too many things. That's my impression, from listening to Steve Gibson's Security Now podcasts. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Norton SystemWorks stumper
Here are two links from the support area - hope they help. If they don't work, go to the Symantec web site, navigate through the support area, select the product, and (at the bottom of the page) Search Our Solutions Library. The second link is for the Norton Removal Tool, which you might need to run before trying a fresh install of the new product. Good luck. http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/sharedtech.nsf/0/d9daa481fb01b54c652571fc004821ca?OpenDocumentseg=hmlg=enct=us http://service1.symantec.com/Support/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039?Opendocid=2006100318422013nsf=sharedtech.nsfview=0seg=hmlg=enct=us -Andy Christopher Range wrote: I have Norton SystemWorks 2005. The subscription renewal I got in Aug.'06, expired last month, as expected so, I recently bought the NSW Standard Edition Uprgrade. My problem is this: 1. If I install NSW 2005, it obviously shows the subscription has expired so, I try to install NSW SEU. I get an error so I un-install NSW 2005. 2. If I install NSW SEU, it installs all the way except, nothing shows up in the Start Menu or, on the desktop. I feel like my brain is oozing out my ears from picking it for an answer. I would appreciate some ideas on how, to fix this. Christopher /snip/ * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] rename the list ...naaaah!
D'oh!! Does this mean it's fun to read?? -Original Message- From: Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 1:31 AM Subject: Re: rename the list ...nh! Absolutely; I fully agree - just ignore the various asides, like my commentary about the fundamental problem of humanity, in response to Betty's observation about people not considering consequences. Computers, of course, are products of people asking questions, including about implications, consequences and proper (critical) distinctions), i.e. critical thinking, and the lack of such critical thinking (really critical questioning) characterizes virtually all important public discourse. So computers are related in that way to societal problems and our thinking about them - they are both products of processes that are essentially epistemologically opposite of each other. And, of course, the problem solving that goes into figuring out what is wrong with a computer, etc. is also essentially the same Furthermore, at a deep level, what gives computers their power to do all the things they do is most fundamentally the same thing that is at the root of both troubleshooting computers and the processes of the development of reason, science and technology that led to their creation and ongoing development. So, as the Philosopher Hegel showed some centuries ago, its all really related, and in that broad sense, on point and on topic, even if it doesn't appear to be perhaps at first glance or to most people. But I, too, am really here, at least originally and mostly, to tap into the collective experience and knowledge about computers and other related matters, because, as someone once said - and which is nicely expresses my theory, in its purely secular meaning - Ask and Ye Shall Receive. And there's no better way of receiving a desired or needed answer than by asking! Randall * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
At 02:41 PM 09/28/2007 -0400, b_s-wilk wrote Original Message Subject:XP Gets Life Extension Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:18:06 -0400 Customer demand has forced Microsoft to extend the shelf life of Windows XP by five months. Microsoft was scheduled to stop selling the six-year-old operating system on 30 January 2008 to leave the field clear for Vista. OK, here's what I need to know. A friend of mine has yet to enter the computer age. She is in her early 70's, and is beginning to have some physical problems that limit her social life. I really want to try and get her into a computer soon. Do I push her a little faster, or do I just make the leap into Vista? I really hate to have to change her over after just a few months. I don't know much about Vista and have no reason to change my own system right now. I hate to dump Vista on her with no real support. Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus
ZA and avg/avast/norton etc do different things. Mike On 9/28/07, Stephen Brownfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the responses. I would like something relatively easy for an average user. Will ZA fit that bill or should I have them go with something else? Richard P. wrote: At least with Zone Alarm you will know what programs on your computer are trying to access the Internet. It does require some judgment on your part because you will have to decide what gets permission and what doesn't. The neat (or scary thing you find out is how often all of the Microsoft programs want to phone home, for their unexplained reasons. Also, I've used Adaware and Spybot but they just didn't seem to find the spyware as well as Spy Sweeper did. Plus, Spy Sweeper was able to effectively clear up some installed spyware that the others found but couldn't do anything with. I don't know if it's the best, but it worked for me when I needed it most. Plus, being a paid subscription, it runs automatically and updates definitions everyday. Spy Sweeper prompts you whether or not to keep any newly installed program. If you ever have the misfortune of being infested with spyware, you'll wish you had gotten the best protection installed ahead of time. After the fact is probably too late. Just my opinion... Richard P. rlsimon wrote: I switched from Norton 2003 to Avast and it seems to work well. I have dialup via ATT via proxy accelerated ...do I need ZoneAlarm really? For spyware, I run Adaware periodically. Spybot doesn't ever seem to find anything, but has the immunization feature. Mike Stephen Brownfield wrote: A coworker of mine just bought a new Dell computer (with Vista) and her free Norton Anti-Virus (spyware blocker etc) has expired. She turned to me to ask me if she should renew it or get something else and if so what. I told her I couldn't answer it because as she knows I'm a Mac man and that would be a different answer. I however told her that I would check with the list. What do you recommend? It is a family computer. They are a family of 3. Their son is about 12. Thanks Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rename the List?
Since human thinking can essentially mimic that of computers, albeit at far slower speeds, I'm now wondering whether and how computers can be designed to more closely mimic how humans learn. For anyone who might know, have they got very far with this in AI? Randy, computers can't think as we do as human beings. Not yet and maybe never, but never say never... Computer programs and instrumentalites can be designed to adapt to circumstances within rule sets. If we want say a terrain following flying device that can go to waypoints and choose action based on a set of decision rules, we can make it. But the cruise missile doesn't have free will. It can't decide that the action is desirable, or (with apologies to the Reverend) ethical. There is pretty good AI out there in games, but it is all rule based. Computers at this point literally CAN'T think outside the box. But within the box, depending on how we define it, they can blow the doors off human beings with regard to what we consider genius. They do it, in chess for example, by brute force with deep analysis of probable outcomes. Chess is simple, though, compared to say deciding whether to program a computer to PLAY chess. No computer has yet passed the Turing test. Google this and you will have a better answer than I can give you. If we create self-aware (conscious) computers, and I'm not sure we should, what are the possible outcomes? 1) The HAL 9000 scenario. The computer not only is smart and passes the Turing test, but also is emotional, learns fear and becomes insane. Bad news if you are depending on it to run your infrastructure. 2) The Colossus/Terminator scenario. The computer is smart but completely amoral. But it wants to preserve itself at all cost. You lose. 3) The Mike scenario (_The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_, Heinlein). The computer is self aware and has a sense of humor, sort of. Luckily it dies before it figures out that it's being manipulated. Don't know if this was a good answer, but I hope food for thought. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rename the List?
Hey you want get and argument out of me. I still prefer the old acronym. GIGO. Garbage in Garbage out. The computer is like anything else that man creates, it is a tool which can be used i whatever way man wants it used. Alcohol, tobacco, and most other creations of many are neither good nor bad. They are tools to be used in whatever way we deem them. Enjoy. Stewart At 09:11 PM 9/28/2007, you wrote: Randy, computers can't think as we do as human beings. Not yet and maybe never, but never say never... Computer programs and instrumentalites can be designed to adapt to circumstances within rule sets. If we want say a terrain following flying device that can go to waypoints and choose action based on a set of decision rules, we can make it. But the cruise missile doesn't have free will. It can't decide that the action is desirable, or (with apologies to the Reverend) ethical. There is pretty good AI out there in games, but it is all rule based. Computers at this point literally CAN'T think outside the box. But within the box, depending on how we define it, they can blow the doors off human beings with regard to what we consider genius. They do it, in chess for example, by brute force with deep analysis of probable outcomes. Chess is simple, though, compared to say deciding whether to program a computer to PLAY chess. No computer has yet passed the Turing test. Google this and you will have a better answer than I can give you. If we create self-aware (conscious) computers, and I'm not sure we should, what are the possible outcomes? 1) The HAL 9000 scenario. The computer not only is smart and passes the Turing test, but also is emotional, learns fear and becomes insane. Bad news if you are depending on it to run your infrastructure. 2) The Colossus/Terminator scenario. The computer is smart but completely amoral. But it wants to preserve itself at all cost. You lose. 3) The Mike scenario (_The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_, Heinlein). The computer is self aware and has a sense of humor, sort of. Luckily it dies before it figures out that it's being manipulated. Don't know if this was a good answer, but I hope food for thought. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
