Re: [CGUYS] External hard drives: brand comparison
I'm looking for opinions on the reliability of brands of external hard drives, the moderate-sized multi-MB stationary ones that are designed for storage and backups. I have been using hard drives for backup for over 10 years with results that are much better than when I was using tape. The hard drives require less maintenance and are more reliable. Specifically, I have a 320 MB La Cie Firewire/USB2 drive (one of the cute little ones designed by Porsche) and a Crossfire brand drive of similar capacity that weighs twice as much... I started doing this with 20 GB La Cie Firewire/USB2 drives back when they were quite expensive. Three of them to use in rotation cost about as much as a good quality tape drive ($1200). Those drives were very reliable and worked until they ran out of capacity. I swapped the drives out of the cases and used those until they filled up too. I then moved the drives to a less demanding task. I do not like the designed by Porsche La Cie drives. They run hot and I think that reduces their reliability. I have a client who has a bunch of them and they fail regularly. This client was having weekly kernel panics that I eventually traced to some of these drives. My favorite external drive series at the moment is Fantom (by MicroNet). This company has specialized in disk drives for 20 years. I have talked to the owner and saw he knows the technology and sweats the details. The Fantom line is a very good value. I just specified a bunch of 500GB external Firewire/USB2 drives for a client at $140 each with a $40 rebate. I find that price amazing. All drives should be checked regularly. I use a utility that tests SMART satus every few minutes and will issue a warning if that fails. I also run a disk utility about once a month. I check the backup logs almost every day. Rotating several drives also increases your security. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] URL oddness
It's not an issue with your ISP, it's that you have way too much time on your hands. Bookmark the site using the correct full address and always use that. On Dec 12, 2007 9:23 AM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps someone can explain this to me. I want to get to a certain site on the internet. If I enter the full URL, for instance http://www..com I can get to the site every time. Or, if I drop the http://; portion and use only www..com I can still get there. But if I use only .com, I sometimes cannot get there, and my browser keeps grinding away, informing me that it is looking up the URL until a dialog box finally appears telling me that the URL cannot be found. However, a bit later in the day if I again use only .com, it will work just fine. I am suspecting a DNS issue with my ISP. Perhaps they are accessing one or more domain name servers during the course of a day, and one or more are not up to date. Anyone have a thought on this to share? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] external SMART
Last I heard it was not possible to check SMART via USB2 or 1394? eSATA will do it, but my own experiments with it show my Intel mobo won't hot swap! If Intel won't do it, who can one expect to (Nvidia, apparently). All drives should be checked regularly. I use a utility that tests SMART satus every few minutes and will issue a warning if that fails. I also * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Windows to Apple migration?
How is the battery life on the Macbook and are there battery options (size)? Is it ok to go with the low-end model ($1099), with the 80GB drive/1GB RAM or does that create future upgrade issues? Thanks, Richard P. Tom Piwowar wrote: A friend who has used Windows forever is looking to move to an Apple laptop. Any recommendations and how difficult is it to transfer files between the two? I know they use MS Word/Excel a lot. No problem at all. I use both Mac and Windows all the time, accessing the same MS Office files off the server. Just set the PC to share files and have the Mac log into the PC. (Not the other way around. The PC will not access the Mac as easily.) Copy the files over before sending the PC to the dumpster. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Windows to Apple migration?
The stock battery in the current laptops is fine. When it gets old, there are third party companies that will sell you a replacement that exceeds original specs. If you are comfortable working within the confines of a laptop (opening the case) and replacing a hard drive to increase its capacity, then no upgrade issues. You will also need to know how to move the data to the larger drive. If not, then you may be wise to upgrade it to a larger capacity drive when you buy. Last I looked the laptops have two memory slots and upgrading memory is pretty easy. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How is the battery life on the Macbook and are there battery options (size)? Is it ok to go with the low-end model ($1099), with the 80GB drive/1GB RAM or does that create future upgrade issues? Thanks, Richard P. Tom Piwowar wrote: A friend who has used Windows forever is looking to move to an Apple laptop. Any recommendations and how difficult is it to transfer files between the two? I know they use MS Word/Excel a lot. No problem at all. I use both Mac and Windows all the time, accessing the same MS Office files off the server. Just set the PC to share files and have the Mac log into the PC. (Not the other way around. The PC will not access the Mac as easily.) Copy the files over before sending the PC to the dumpster. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] URL oddness
Here is more information than you want g: 1. Your browser will convert www.xyz.com to http://www.xyz.com on the assumption that the default protocol you want to use is HTTP. This is a pretty safe assumption. If you are using another protocol, such as accessing a local file or doing an ftp access, you aren't typing it directly in. Therefore, those are exactly the same and should always react the same. Either way, your system has to use DNS to look up the IP for www.xyz.com. 2. Typing in xyz.com can be interpreted in different ways by your web browser. Some of the time, your browser will convert xyz.com to www.xyz.com, some of the time it will leave it alone. It sort of depends on what version. More modern versions will leave it alone most of the time. It used to be that if your domain was xyz.com, the expectation was that there would be no machine called xyz.com and no IP address for xyz.com. This has changed over the past few years to make it easier for people to type in addresses. Now you can usually get an IP when just typing in the domain name. However, this is up to the domain name service provider, so some xyz.com addresses will not resolve to anything. 3. If you want to know if there are DNS issues, you should use DNS tools. There are web sites to help you, there are utilities you can run to help you, all modern OSes have command line utilities to help you. You are welcome to ask about our recommendations for your OS. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] external SMART
Last I heard it was not possible to check SMART via USB2 or 1394? You are right. Can't get the SMART status through the FireWire interface. So my SMART utility is not polling my backup drive. One more reason my next set of drives will be eSATA. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] External hard drives: brand comparison
Where do you store your off-site backups? A bare (not in a case) 3.5 hard drive will fit in a small bank safe deposit box, and is conveniently used with one of the many available bare interfaces (no case, just the electronics for data and power), e.g., USB to IDE/EIDE (or SATA). Only the drive is stored. The interface is kept on site and used continually. The nice thing about using a hard drive as backup media is that incremental backups are consolidated (by copying new/newer files) into a directory tree that is current and complete. Copying can be with or without replicating deletions so that old stuff can be preserved in the backup. The backup can be readily tested, since the files appear on an ordinary hard drive. And it is quick to find and restore a single file or two. Fred Holmes At 07:19 AM 12/12/2007, Jeff Wright wrote: I use Mozy at home, of which I haven't had the chance to test the recovery feature yet, and Iron Mountain at work for taking tapes offsite. The Mozy backup is very simple to do. It's a very polished service. I'm considering moving away from tape backups to disk-based with off-site, online vaulting, but I have yet to see the price tag. Needless to say, I expect it to be many, many times that of tape, which could kill the idea. -Original Message- Do you have an off site back up? If you have any critical data on these machines you should rotate backups to a secure location away from the machines in case of flood, fire etc. So that might mean another set of backups or burning an occasional DVD of the most critical stuff and storing it somewhere off site or using a remote backup service. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] External hard drives: brand comparison
At 09:34 AM 12/12/2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: All drives should be checked regularly. I use a utility that tests SMART satus every few minutes and will issue a warning if that fails. I also run a disk utility about once a month. I check the backup logs almost every day. Rotating several drives also increases your security. I use HDD Health to monitor SMART status, but it doesn't work with USB drives, maybe because of the specs of the USB to EIDE interface. What utility do you use to monitor SMART status? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Windows to Apple migration?
Is it ok to go with the low-end model ($1099), with the 80GB drive/1GB RAM or does that create future upgrade issues? It depends. It has 2 memory slots. Only one is easy to get to. So ideally you want it to come with 1024 in the hard-to-get-to slot and the easy one empty so you can eventually get 2GB. If it comes 512 + 512 you will have to discard the 512 to put in 1024 to max out at 1.5GB. So if you can't get 1024 + 0 you it may be wiser to order 1024 + 1024. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] External hard drives bkup/ online vaulting
At some point, I imagine most all backup will be done online because of the obvious advantages. Currently Amazon's S3 online backup service is one that I am aware of. Below are S3's rates. Can anyone recommend others? db *United States * */Storage/ *$0.15 per GB-Month of storage used */Data Transfer/ *$0.10 per GB - all data transfer in $0.18 per GB - first 10 TB / month data transfer out $0.16 per GB - next 40 TB / month data transfer out $0.13 per GB - data transfer out / month over 50 TB */Requests/ *$0.01 per 1,000 PUT or LIST requests $0.01 per 10,000 GET and all other requests* * No charge for delete requests Fred Holmes wrote: Where do you store your off-site backups? A bare (not in a case) 3.5 hard drive will fit in a small bank safe deposit box, and is conveniently used with one of the many available bare interfaces (no case, just the electronics for data and power), e.g., USB to IDE/EIDE (or SATA). Only the drive is stored. The interface is kept on site and used continually. The nice thing about using a hard drive as backup media is that incremental backups are consolidated (by copying new/newer files) into a directory tree that is current and complete. Copying can be with or without replicating deletions so that old stuff can be preserved in the backup. The backup can be readily tested, since the files appear on an ordinary hard drive. And it is quick to find and restore a single file or two. Fred Holmes At 07:19 AM 12/12/2007, Jeff Wright wrote: I use Mozy at home, of which I haven't had the chance to test the recovery feature yet, and Iron Mountain at work for taking tapes offsite. The Mozy backup is very simple to do. It's a very polished service. I'm considering moving away from tape backups to disk-based with off-site, online vaulting, but I have yet to see the price tag. Needless to say, I expect it to be many, many times that of tape, which could kill the idea. -Original Message- Do you have an off site back up? If you have any critical data on these machines you should rotate backups to a secure location away from the machines in case of flood, fire etc. So that might mean another set of backups or burning an occasional DVD of the most critical stuff and storing it somewhere off site or using a remote backup service. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] External hard drives: brand comparison
The nice thing about using a hard drive as backup media is that incremental backups are consolidated (by copying new/newer files) into a directory tree that is current and complete. Copying can be with or without replicating deletions so that old stuff can be preserved in the backup. The backup can be readily tested, since the files appear on an ordinary hard drive. And it is quick to find and restore a single file or two. I'm looking forward to seeing how Apple's TimeMachine changes my backup routine. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Windows to Apple migration?
This is good information, thanks. Can the laptop be ordered with 1024 in the hard to-get slot? I didn't see this option on Apple's webpage. How difficult is it to get to the hard-to-get-to memory slot? Does it require taking apart more of the case or is it just difficult to access through the main opening? Thanks again, Richard P. Tom Piwowar wrote: Is it ok to go with the low-end model ($1099), with the 80GB drive/1GB RAM or does that create future upgrade issues? It depends. It has 2 memory slots. Only one is easy to get to. So ideally you want it to come with 1024 in the hard-to-get-to slot and the easy one empty so you can eventually get 2GB. If it comes 512 + 512 you will have to discard the 512 to put in 1024 to max out at 1.5GB. So if you can't get 1024 + 0 you it may be wiser to order 1024 + 1024. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Windows to Apple migration?
How difficult is it to get to the hard-to-get-to memory slot? Does it require taking apart more of the case or is it just difficult to access through the main opening? Major disassembly. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] External hard drives: brand comparison
and what is that utility which tests the drives, where do we find it. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] External hard drives bkup/ online vaulting
Do you have any average internet transfer throughput figures Tom? While average people have a lot of voluminous but not time critical data such as digital photos, usually the people's critical addressbook, encrypted password list, banking, personal biz data, email etc. isn't that substantial. I would think backing up and restoring such online would be realistically do-able. ? db Tom Piwowar wrote: At some point, I imagine most all backup will be done online because of the obvious advantages. Yes, but not in the near future. The problem is restoring after a major data loss. The data rates we have today would require days to restore most hard drives. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] External hard drives: brand comparison
Yes, but Time machine is still a local backup device... which few will ever... despite good intentions ... remove from the premises. When so many's essential biz is being done and stored on computer, not having fail-safe backup is nonsensical. Determining the security of the backup by the brand of backup drive that is sitting next to your computer completely misses the point. It's like going sailing over the Atlantic ocean with emergency flares but without a life raft/ enough life rafts.Any backup, such as Time Machine which occurs only locally, just ignores such real perils as theft, lightning strike, fire, flood, earthquake and operator error. Such short sighted backup solutions aren't really solutions at all ... just falsely self-comforting hooey ... as so many on the Titanic paid the ultimate price to learn. Institutions are increasingly using incremental backup to drive solutions similar in technique to the Time Machine but they are doing so not only with redundant RAID backup drives but they locate the backup drives remotely and those two aspects are the two most important aspects of the setup. Online backup may not be cheap enough for some yet (although S3 seems pretty reasonable to me...) but my bet is it is the future of backup for everyone but the largest institutions I would be interested to know if anyone has experience with any other than S3 ? db Tom Piwowar wrote: The nice thing about using a hard drive as backup media is that incremental backups are consolidated (by copying new/newer files) into a directory tree that is current and complete. Copying can be with or without replicating deletions so that old stuff can be preserved in the backup. The backup can be readily tested, since the files appear on an ordinary hard drive. And it is quick to find and restore a single file or two. I'm looking forward to seeing how Apple's TimeMachine changes my backup routine. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] External hard drives bkup/ online vaulting
On Dec 12, 2007 2:48 PM, db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While average people have a lot of voluminous but not time critical data such as digital photos, usually the people's critical addressbook, encrypted password list, banking, personal biz data, email etc. isn't that substantial. I would think backing up and restoring such online would be realistically do-able. ? Depends on what you mean. 1. If I, as a careful and meticulous user, have identified the most important data on a day-to-day basis, and have a way of backing up and restoring just that data, then I could probably back it up and restore it across the Internet. 2. If I, as a regular user, just backup all my hard drive and don't really know what is most critical - how many of my PowerPoint files at 10-40 MB each do I really need to restore today? - then I probably need to rely on restoring all of it. Then online restore isn't that practical. 3. If I, as a regular user, had something transparently backing up all my data, and could restore on an as-needed basis - so that when I click on a video file of my wedding, or on a document, it tells me it hasn't restored yet, but could do so in about 20 seconds (or 1 hour for the wedding video maybe) - then I could do an effective restore over the Internet. Of course, this assumes that I can reinstall the OS and all the applications locally. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Qwest. One of my friends who is on cox cable and lives about two miles away gets regular download speeds of 12mbit. I count myself lucky if I get 1. We had some problems last year with Verizon DSL basic service. It was slow, dropping off, after having it for a year with no problems. I insisted that they have a technician inspect the sines between our house and the switch. They found an intermittent short in their lines and repaired it. That fixed the drop-offs. Verizon DSL service has been reliable and consistent since we got it a few years ago. After the first year they raised the price, naturally. I asked for a deal, and they gave me 4 months free service, then the rest of the year at the increased price, which ended up being cheaper. Verizon DSL online now has an offer of $14.95/month forever for basic service. I got that last week. If they price goes down [hahahahaha] they'll adjust it down. When ATT or other competition comes in, they may have another offer for faster speed at a low price. When can we get 40 Gbps speeds like this, http://snipurl.com/1v69m, with 1500 HDTV channels _simultaneously_ Pull quote: The most difficult part of the whole project was installing Windows on Sigbritt's PC, ... Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] External hard drives bkup/ online vaulting
Good point. I was assuming the users know where their critical data is. A very unrealistic assumption. I think it would take less time to sort out their data into critical and not critical then back up online than to spend time regularly trying to reliably back up everything locally. But that would be a rational approach when the world really only behaves rationally occasionally ... :) db John DeCarlo wrote: On Dec 12, 2007 2:48 PM, db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While average people have a lot of voluminous but not time critical data such as digital photos, usually the people's critical addressbook, encrypted password list, banking, personal biz data, email etc. isn't that substantial. I would think backing up and restoring such online would be realistically do-able. ? Depends on what you mean. 1. If I, as a careful and meticulous user, have identified the most important data on a day-to-day basis, and have a way of backing up and restoring just that data, then I could probably back it up and restore it across the Internet. 2. If I, as a regular user, just backup all my hard drive and don't really know what is most critical - how many of my PowerPoint files at 10-40 MB each do I really need to restore today? - then I probably need to rely on restoring all of it. Then online restore isn't that practical. 3. If I, as a regular user, had something transparently backing up all my data, and could restore on an as-needed basis - so that when I click on a video file of my wedding, or on a document, it tells me it hasn't restored yet, but could do so in about 20 seconds (or 1 hour for the wedding video maybe) - then I could do an effective restore over the Internet. Of course, this assumes that I can reinstall the OS and all the applications locally. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] USB WiFi adapter for Indigo iMac
I'm picking up a G3/500MHz iMac that doesn't have an airport card. It needs to be part of a wireless network. There are several USB WiFi adapters that work with these old iMacs. Which ones/brand/model? Is there an 802.11g model that will work? thx Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Windows to Apple migration?
In the Macbook the slots are very easy to get to. Just two levers in the battery compartment. David Newhall Falls Church, VA Subject: Re: Windows to Apple migration? This is good information, thanks. Can the laptop be ordered with 1024 in the hard to-get slot? I didn't see this option on Apple's webpage. How difficult is it to get to the hard-to-get-to memory slot? Does it require taking apart more of the case or is it just difficult to access through the main opening? Thanks again, Richard P. Tom Piwowar wrote: Is it ok to go with the low-end model ($1099), with the 80GB drive/1GB RAM or does that create future upgrade issues? It depends. It has 2 memory slots. Only one is easy to get to. So ideally you want it to come with 1024 in the hard-to-get-to slot and the easy one empty so you can eventually get 2GB. If it comes 512 + 512 you will have to discard the 512 to put in 1024 to max out at 1.5GB. So if you can't get 1024 + 0 you it may be wiser to order 1024 + 1024. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
The box with my DSL ATT stuff arrived today and Im not sure I'm going to even try to install it. I hadn't realized that their modem was also the wireless box. I have NO intention of redoing my wireless network again. I just bought...and lovean Airport extreme and want to use it. According to the instructions in the box, I have to use the ATT modem and set up wireless thru that. No way. Does anyone know if I can keep using the modem I currently use for Comcast and plug the DSL cable into that? It's much more complicated than I had anticipated just because I'm not new to this and want to keep my equipment the way it is now. Thanks guys. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] External hard drives: brand comparison
Where do you store your off-site backups? At Iron Mountain's facility. A bare (not in a case) 3.5 hard drive will fit in a small bank safe deposit box, and is conveniently used with one of the many available bare interfaces (no case, just the electronics for data and power), e.g., USB to IDE/EIDE (or SATA). Only the drive is stored. The interface is kept on site and used continually. Why not use a 2.5 external drive then? That should fit. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] External hard drives bkup/ online vaulting
At some point, I imagine most all backup will be done online because of the obvious advantages. Currently Amazon's S3 online backup service is one that I am aware of. Below are S3's rates. Can anyone recommend others? Mozy. $4.95/month unlimited storage. Or 2 GB for free, which is what I'm using at this point. I throw my music, about 17 GB, on an external hard drive and keep that at work (my office locks). They were bought by EMC recently, so they should be stable and not going out of business anytime soon. http://www.xconomy.com/2007/11/27/why-emc-bought-mozy-part-2-the-consumer-as -enterprise/ * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
Let me correct myself DSL modems are different than Cable modems. Stewart At 08:22 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote: NO! DSL modems are completely different than DSL modems. You need to contact ATT and see about getting a plain jane DSL modem. I can understand them wanting you to use theirs and I can understand you wanting to use yours. When I had DSL I went through a few (I mean a few) tech calls trying to get my DSL modem to do just that be a modem and not a router. When I found the right Tech guy it just took one change of a field in the modem setup and all was OK. Stewart At 07:38 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote: The box with my DSL ATT stuff arrived today and Im not sure I'm going to even try to install it. I hadn't realized that their modem was also the wireless box. I have NO intention of redoing my wireless network again. I just bought...and lovean Airport extreme and want to use it. According to the instructions in the box, I have to use the ATT modem and set up wireless thru that. No way. Does anyone know if I can keep using the modem I currently use for Comcast and plug the DSL cable into that? It's much more complicated than I had anticipated just because I'm not new to this and want to keep my equipment the way it is now. Thanks guys. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Mac OS question
I want to upgrade the OS 10.3.9 on my eMac 1.25 gigahertz machine. This computer can run 10.5 Leopard, but it is marginal in terms of horsepower compared to newer machines that run faster. Would Leopard cause this particular computer to bog down and perform sluggishly as opposed to how it would run under Tiger 10.4? Bear in mind that this eMac is at the bottom of Apple computers that can accept Leopard. Leopard seems nice, but I'd rather not have a sluggish machine if that would be the price I'd have to pay. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
