Re: [CGUYS] error message makes plugin installation fail
It's possible, but I'm generally very conservative with this machine. I usually install only well-known software, and not much in the way of demos. Having said that, I did just download and install (last week) something recommended by a friend: Moyea Flash Video MX Std. Haven't used it. I don't know the details of that program. Anything recently installed would be a suspect. A runtime environment is like a virtual machine that the application runs under. It can be use to more easily move the application among different kinds of hardware or to simplify the programming of the application. For example an application coded using an interpreted language would need a runtime environment while one that is compiled would probably not. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
i guess dan drank too since he apologized. His cracking under pressure doesn't really address the issue. Galileo recanted too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] error message makes plugin installation fail
Hmmm . . . one other possibility. On Saturday I upgraded to the lasted version of JV16 PowerTools, paying with PayPal echeck, which hasn't cleared, probably will clear later today (all of something like $6.95!). The software says it has 27 days left to run--it's acting as a trial until the echeck clears? I don't remember running into that before. I'll try installing the PayPal plugin again after JV16Tools recognized that its been purchased. Barb On Wed, August 6, 2008 9:49 am, Tom Piwowar wrote: It's possible, but I'm generally very conservative with this machine. I usually install only well-known software, and not much in the way of demos. Having said that, I did just download and install (last week) something recommended by a friend: Moyea Flash Video MX Std. Haven't used it. I don't know the details of that program. Anything recently installed would be a suspect. A runtime environment is like a virtual machine that the application runs under. It can be use to more easily move the application among different kinds of hardware or to simplify the programming of the application. For example an application coded using an interpreted language would need a runtime environment while one that is compiled would probably not. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
I have the DSL service through Verizon. Every time there is lightning in the area, the DSL connection resets. The modem then takes about a minute or so to re-establish the DSL connection and all is happy ... (until the next lightning during the dark and stormy night, that is.) Has anyone else experienced this with their DSL line? Any educated guesses as to if the problem is on my side of the box (NID, I believe it is called) or the phone company side? The Phone Co. side is not all that old since verizon re-did the copper wiring in the area about 5-6 years ago. My side has a cat-5 cable running on the outside of the house for a fair bit (30-40 feet) before entering the house. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
This can be from the telephone carrier's side. (Old-model) telephones can draw power from the phone line - so it is possible for the surge to come in over the telephone connection. It is also possible to get the surge over the power line. Does anything else in your house show any effect from the lightning when the DSL modem does? If yes, it is probably the power line. If no, it could be the telephone line bring the surge. I usually just turn my DSL modem off when I'm not using it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I have the DSL service through Verizon. Every time there is lightning in the area, the DSL connection resets. The modem then takes about a minute or so to re-establish the DSL connection and all is happy ... (until the next lightning during the dark and stormy night, that is.) Has anyone else experienced this with their DSL line? Any educated guesses as to if the problem is on my side of the box (NID, I believe it is called) or the phone company side? The Phone Co. side is not all that old since verizon re-did the copper wiring in the area about 5-6 years ago. My side has a cat-5 cable running on the outside of the house for a fair bit (30-40 feet) before entering the house. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
How well is your house grounded? We had lightening strike near by in June. It did in my oven, dryer, ceiling fan controller, a couple of outlet strips and three of my neighbors dvd players. My house which is about sixty years old used the water line coming into the house as the ground. That is quite inadequate according to my electrician. We added a new ground rod and he re doubled the ground connections on the circuit panel. I would at minimum try grounding the phone line before it goes into the dsl modem if you have access to it. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Michael Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I have the DSL service through Verizon. Every time there is lightning in the area, the DSL connection resets. The modem then takes about a minute or so to re-establish the DSL connection and all is happy ... (until the next lightning during the dark and stormy night, that is.) Has anyone else experienced this with their DSL line? Any educated guesses as to if the problem is on my side of the box (NID, I believe it is called) or the phone company side? The Phone Co. side is not all that old since verizon re-did the copper wiring in the area about 5-6 years ago. My side has a cat-5 cable running on the outside of the house for a fair bit (30-40 feet) before entering the house. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] FiOS installation
I live here in Arlington and will be moving into an apartment from a single family home. I want to get Fios (TV, internet, phone) service and wonder if its available in apartment complexes (all, some or none) or only single family homes. I'm doing my best to avoid Comcast. I've tried to get an answer from Verizon but no go. Choosing the apartment could depend on what hook up is available. Rabbit ears is my plan B. Any hunches, theories, experiences? Thanks in advance! Bill L'Hommedieu ___ In beer, there is strength. In wine, there is wisdom. In water...bacteria. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] AV software -- redux
I have Blink (don't remember how or why!) but, sometimes it blocks eveything I can't establish connections to site or emails. please recommend AV software. thanks, judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
On Aug 6, 2008, at 12:21 PM, Michael Fernando wrote: I have the DSL service through Verizon. Every time there is lightning in the area, the DSL connection resets. The modem then takes about a minute or so to re-establish the DSL connection and all is happy ... (until the next lightning during the dark and stormy night, that is.) Do you unplug your internet connection peripherals from the incoming cable when lightning is nearby? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AV software -- redux
I used Blink and liked it but I think it forgets it's settings on updates and you need to respecify what is allowed. I went with the paid version of AVG this time around. No big annoyances. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Judy Cosler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have Blink (don't remember how or why!) but, sometimes it blocks eveything I can't establish connections to site or emails. please recommend AV software. thanks, judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FiOS installation
order the fios. see if they will talk about install. then cancel. At 12:51 PM 8/6/2008, you wrote: I live here in Arlington and will be moving into an apartment from a single family home. I want to get Fios (TV, internet, phone) service and wonder if its available in apartment complexes (all, some or none) or only single family homes. I'm doing my best to avoid Comcast. I've tried to get an answer from Verizon but no go. Choosing the apartment could depend on what hook up is available. Rabbit ears is my plan B. Any hunches, theories, experiences? Thanks in advance! Bill L'Hommedieu ___ In beer, there is strength. In wine, there is wisdom. In water...bacteria. /blockquote/x-html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FiOS installation
Quoting Bill L'Hommedieu [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I live here in Arlington and will be moving into an apartment from a single family home. I want to get Fios (TV, internet, phone) service and wonder if its available in apartment complexes (all, some or none) or only single family homes. I'm doing my best to avoid Comcast. I've tried to get an answer from Verizon but no go. Choosing the apartment could depend on what hook up is available. Rabbit ears is my plan B. Any hunches, theories, experiences? Thanks in advance! I have friends in an apartment (in Annapolis) that has FiOS, so I'd have to say, yes, it is available. Whether or not you can find one in/near Arlington. . . Katan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] crc errors...ms dos errors in copying cd/dvd media
I've got a friend with a DVD filled with pictures. When trying to copy it he gets crc errors and invalid ms dos function. The point of both errors is corrupt blocks on the disk. I've recommended liquid car wax in case it's scratches in the disk, any other advice? He is getting close to trying data recovery at a best buy etc which I told him would be a waste of time and money in that they have no different tools then he could use himself. He's also tried it in several different drives. What about os's? Would trying it on linux or os x perhaps help? Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
I would at minimum try grounding the phone line before it goes into the dsl modem if you have access to it. Phone lines aren't grounded. This is a very good summary of the issues and a few partial solutions: http://www.epanorama.net/documents/surge/telesurge.html Note that none of the protectors are foolproof, if a common mode surge of some magnitude occurs it can still fry any device connected to the phone line. Your best bet is to unplug the phone line if you hear thunder. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] crc errors...ms dos errors in copying cd/dvd media
He's also tried it in several different drives. What about os's? Would trying it on linux or os x perhaps help? Plextor drives are reputed to be better than most for reading problem discs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FiOS installation
Rabbit ears is my plan B. Rabbit ears often work very well in Arlington. Many locations are line of sight to the broadcaster's antennas on upper Wisc. Ave. But signal can break up when planes are flying to/from National from the north. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FiOS installation
Any hunches, theories, experiences? Thanks in advance! FiOS is available in some areas of Arlington. Your best bet is to ask the management of the buildings you're considering. The answer is some, but I don't have specifics. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] crc errors...ms dos errors in copying cd/dvd media
I was thinking that too...I told him between trying trial software online and possibly buying and perhaps buying a higher end dvdrw to read the disk, he would probably be doing the same things they would at any shop, and if it failed he'd have a program and a better drive. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's also tried it in several different drives. What about os's? Would trying it on linux or os x perhaps help? Plextor drives are reputed to be better than most for reading problem discs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
Phone lines aren't grounded. This is a very good summary of the issues and a few partial solutions: http://www.epanorama.net/documents/surge/telesurge.html The lightning/thunder I'm talking about are not close-by. Most of the time they are quite far (~5-10 seconds between lightning and thunder). Said another way, _every_time_ there is a small thunder storm that passes through I-270/495 area, my DSL modem resets multiple times. I was just wondering (a) if this is normal operation, ie: do others see this often and (b) do surge protectors (electrical and phone combo surge protectors) help with this? I _always_ have several SSH sessions open to remote machines, so perhaps I notice this more often than others because I see that the ssh sessions have died. Those who do streaming audio/video a lot would see these disconnects too. (And, that's what annoyed me the most the other day. I woke up at 3am to watch a cricket match from halfway around the world and the silly modem kept resetting. Always a last mile problem. Aargh!) I'm wondering if the (unshielded) 40ft of cat-5 cable outside my house is somehow amplifying the problem. I guess, I should put tin foil around the cable. grin Note that none of the protectors are foolproof, if a common mode surge of some magnitude occurs it can still fry any device connected to the phone line. Your best bet is to unplug the phone line if you hear thunder. Seriously, how many people unplug their phone line _every_time_ they hear thunder? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
Seriously, how many people unplug their phone line _every_time_ they hear thunder? Not many. But I used to operate this way when all I had was dialup over aerial cable. All it takes is one decent strike to fry a lot of electronics, I know this the hard way... Five to ten seconds between lightming and thunder is NOT far away. That's like 1.6 to 3.2 kilometers away. Outer limit of DSL effectiveness assuming straight copper feed is just about 5.5 kilometers, or 18,000 feet. So the strikes could be beween you and the central office, potentially right on top of the line (low probability, but...). Do you get resets when it just rains as opposed to during electrical storms? Do the resets coincide with observed lightning strikes? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
I have the DSL service through Verizon. Every time there is lightning in the area, the DSL connection resets. The modem then takes about a minute or so to re-establish the DSL connection and all is happy ... (until the next lightning during the dark and stormy night, that is.) Has anyone else experienced this with their DSL line? The problem isn't your DSL, it's your modem. The DSL modem runs on electricity from the power company. Your DSL on POTS line service gets its power from TPC [The Phone Company]. The electricity blips during thunderstorms. The telephone company line seamlessly switches from AC electricity to its battery backups, but the power company doesn't. Some of our computers reboot when the power blips, some don't, but all temporarily lose connections when the modem blips. To be sure, I look at the DVD recorder and the microwave. If the time is 0:00 or 12:00 and flashing, I know it's the power company. Be sure that your house is well grounded [our perpetual insurance company did], and that you have good surge protectors on devices you value. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
Maybe the phone lines just have some sort of twitchy surge protectors that the cable lacks. Copper phone lines have surge protectors-good ones, industrial strength--at the central office. We'd rather not replace line cards every time we take a lightning hit. Could CO surge suppression kicking in cause a DSL device to reset? Yes it's possible. Cable is sheilded, surges are much less of an issue than with twisted pair unshielded telco loops. CO surge suppression does nothing to protect devices at the subscriber end of the loops in the event of a surge, but it definitely could interrupt signal if it kicks in. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
Some of our computers reboot when the power blips, some don't, but all temporarily lose connections when the modem blips. So the logical test is to power both the DSL device and the computer through a UPS and see if the problem goes away. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FiOS installation
Bill L'Hommedieu escribió: I live here in Arlington and will be moving into an apartment from a single family home. I want to get Fios (TV, internet, phone) service and wonder if its available in apartment complexes (all, some or none) or only single family homes. I'm doing my best to avoid Comcast. I've tried to get an answer from Verizon but no go. Choosing the apartment could depend on what hook up is available. Rabbit ears is my plan B. Any hunches, theories, experiences? Thanks in advance! What's the status of the municipal WiFi service for Arlington? That could cover the Internet if it hasn't been put on hold or cancelled. Satellite TV works fine in apartments, and there's plenty of cheap landline service that the phone company doesn't want you to know about unless you ask the right questions. Do you have a cell phone? IMHO FIOS is a scam. It's the drug pusher marketing strategy for broadband service. Once you install FIOS, it's extremely difficult to switch back to copper lines if you don't like it, so you're stuck with the high prices. FIOS won't get you any better service than VDSL. In fact, with VDSL on copper, people are enjoying cheap broadband at 10-20Mbps for not much more than what I pay for basic DSL at 768K. VDSL on copper can supply broadband today at 50-100Mbps, just not in the United States. Until American consumers demand faster service and better prices, you'll be stuck with high prices, lower speeds from Comcast, Verizon, Roadrunner, Cox, etc. Verizon should be investing in hardware for VDSL instead of pushing FIOS. It's not necessary for fast broadband. Good luck. Please let us know the choices for apartment dwellers! Maybe you can find an apartment complex that's already wired for the broadband you like. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
CO surge suppression does nothing to protect devices at the subscriber end of the loops in the event of a surge, but it definitely could interrupt signal if it kicks in. I added a solid-state surge suppressor to my end of my line. The one the telco had there used a carbon block spark gap that belongs in a museum. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
At 10:12 AM 8/5/2008, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order for secularism, whatever in hell THAT means, to be a religion, it must have some set of relatively well-settled articles of faith which have been organized into a more or less formal, and, in any event, objectively-determined, dogma. I think you have just repudiated most of the world's religions. Good show! Hey! You know me. Always happy to help. I had no idea I was so powerful. Cool beans. Bob Jaco Pastorius: Bo be boo bop doo bay. OK End * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
Five to ten seconds between lightming and thunder is NOT far away. That's like 1.6 to 3.2 kilometers away. Outer limit of DSL effectiveness assuming straight copper feed is just about 5.5 kilometers, or 18,000 feet. The 5-10 seconds was my kid's guess. I will keep track of them and write down the actual data. So the strikes could be beween you and the central office, potentially right on top of the line (low probability, but...). Um, every lightning? Do you get resets when it just rains as opposed to during electrical storms? No. (I've checked my side. I don't see any cable damage, loose connections or water damage.) Do the resets coincide with observed lightning strikes? Yes. Every time I see lightning, I see the blinky lights go out on the DSL modem and my ssh sessions hang and disconnect. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
I added a solid-state surge suppressor to my end of my line. The one the telco had there used a carbon block spark gap that belongs in a museum. Hey, they did the job. As long as you were using a Western Electric 500 set that probably could withstand a combined nuclear EMP event and a Taser attack. This modern stuff won't even work if you drop it a couple of times on concrete. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FiOS installation
Verizon should be investing in hardware for VDSL instead of pushing FIOS. It's not necessary for fast broadband. No, you're right, Betty, but FiOS will eventually allow us to surpass even VDSL2 and it overcomes the distance and maintenance objections of twisted copper pair. VDSL looks great until you consider that loop attenuation=speed attenuation and that we have distance to subscriber issues that just aren't there in smaller footprints. From the standpoint of maintenance costs I can tell you that in terms of reliability copper is not the infrastructure of choice. Fiber spans rarely fail, unless inadvertently cut. They are the technology of choice when it comes to reliability and also in driving maintenance issues to an edge device replacement model and away from a span maintenance model. That translates to my being able to offer a higher quality and more reliable product over greater distances at less cost than VDSL could ever have the potential to offer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line and lightning
The problem isn't your DSL, it's your modem. The DSL modem runs on electricity from the power company. Your DSL on POTS line service gets its power from TPC [The Phone Company]. The electricity blips during thunderstorms. Hmm... no, in my case, the DSL modem is on a UPS, so the power doesn't reset. It is the signal (DSL) that resets. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line lightning
I know we've had this discussion before, but I will repeat it for the sake of those who've not taken part in the past: My husband and I have UPS / surge suppressors (Uninterrupted Power Supply) on every piece of electronics we value, even on some that don't recommend it like my Phaser printer. Where we live, we get many -- sometimes hundreds a day -- of those blips in power. Weird because it's only on some of our circuits. Occasionally our whole house loses power (squirrels killing themselves on the local transformer, happens once or twice a year). The UPS keeps the power humming to whatever devices, even when the power is completely gone. Certainly a direct hit by lightening has the potential to knock out a UPS protected device, but they do protect against both surges and brown-outs. (Indeed, when power is decreased by the utility company, the UPS picks up the slack until either its battery is exhausted or recharged.) The cost of UPS devices has gone way down in the past 20 years. their power has gone way up. The cost of computers, printers, modems, etc. has come down too. But the UPS will keep these going except in the most dire of circumstances. FWIW, UPS devices are not recommended for printers. That said, my printer's UPS keeps it very happy. Hope this is helpful to at least some users out there. Mical Wimoth Carton [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL line lightning
Lasers are the tough ones. Their draw is quite heavy on warm up. I had a brother on one, and had to get it off. It would kick my UPS every time it started to print. Stewart At 09:27 PM 8/6/2008, you wrote: FWIW, UPS devices are not recommended for printers. That said, my printer's UPS keeps it very happy. Hope this is helpful to at least some users out there. Mical Wimoth Carton Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] crc errors...ms dos errors in copying cd/dvd media
He's also tried it in several different drives. What about os's? Would trying it on linux or os x perhaps help? Plextor drives are reputed to be better than most for reading problem discs. Does Plextor make its own drives, or only the box and drivers. What's inside? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] crc errors...ms dos errors in copying cd/dvd media
AFAIK, Plextor is inside. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:26 PM, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's also tried it in several different drives. What about os's? Would trying it on linux or os x perhaps help? Plextor drives are reputed to be better than most for reading problem discs. Does Plextor make its own drives, or only the box and drivers. What's inside? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
