Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Jeff Wright
 Is pursuing a murderer or a thief micromananging? How about those
 meddlers in the fire department? Should we not let fires rage free?

Oh my.  Being a half-assed govt created and approved monopoly is now the
equivalent to that of a violent criminal?  Has Comcast actually committed a
*crime*?

You must be a pip at your neighborhood watch meetings. I saw you not come
to a complete and full stop at the stop sign the other morning and YOU, you,
your hedges are exactly 1 inch over the height allowed by association rules!
Guards!  GUARDS!


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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
Oh my.  Being a half-assed govt created and approved monopoly is now the
equivalent to that of a violent criminal?  Has Comcast actually committed a
*crime*?

You are quite a spinner. Here we go for another round of Thank You for 
Not Smoking.

I think the events in the financial markets over the last few days should 
have refocused our attention on what should be considered criminal.

If I were to drive a car recklessly and cause you to leave the road and 
be injured that would be a criminal act. In fact, just the first part 
would be criminal.

Why should some fat cat who pays himself $1,000,000/day not be held 
responsible for operating a company recklessly in a manner that causes 
huge losses to the nation's economy, causes innocent people to lose their 
jobs, homes, savings, pensions, etc. and leaves the government holding 
the bag for $trillions?

With Comcast and their ilk we are seeing new storm clouds on the horizon. 
Instead of upgrading their networks they downgrade our service, lie about 
the technology, and corrupt our governing system to perpetuate their 
thievery. Their greedy mismanagement is going to crash the USA's 
information economy. 

Acting today could right the system with mininal impact. Waiting until we 
discover that the USA has slipped way behind the rest of the world in 
this vital field will put the country into a position not unlike the 
current financial crisis, except fixing it will be a lot harder and 
costlier.

The solution may be as simple as to void all exclusive franchises and any 
legislation that keeps communities from entering the market to correct 
market inefficiencies that may cause them to get bypassed. Another 
solution would be to enforce universal service to eliminate cherry 
picking and to set minimum service standards (network neutrality, no 
caps, no throttling, etc.).

As we have seen with FIOS and they systems now spreading in Europe and 
Asia, broadband can be a lot better and cheaper than it is in tha USA.

What kind of nonsense is it when companies lie to us about the high cost 
of a product that is demonstrably cheaper to produce than even a year 
ago! We're quibbling about 2Mb, 6Mb, 10Mb service while they're testing 
1Gb service in Amsterdam and in Sweden!

Amen!


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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Steve Rigby

On Sep 16, 2008, at 9:45 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:

If Comcast is a regulated public utility and you pay your bills do  
they

really have the right to cut off your service for any other reason?


  I do not believe that Comcast is a publicly regulated utility, at  
least not around where I live.


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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Cable companies are not anywhere.

Cable companies operate at the whim/franchise agreement of a local community.

Nothing about them is a regulated utility.

That is why Phone Companies have screamed about what Cable can get 
away with while they are regulated.


Stewart


At 10:36 AM 9/17/2008, you wrote:
  I do not believe that Comcast is a publicly regulated utility, at

least not around where I live.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread John Emmerling
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sep 17, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:

 Why should some fat cat who pays himself $1,000,000/day not be held 
 [responsible?]
  snip!

  The pit bull with lipstick is gonna roll into DC and correct all of this
 with her big 'ole moose guttin' knife.  In the meantime, just chill.  Help
 is on the way.

  Steve

Awesome!  I will start holding my breath...now!


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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Larry Sacks
-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Emmerling
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:22 AM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sep 17, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:

 Why should some fat cat who pays himself $1,000,000/day not be held
[responsible?]
  snip!

  The pit bull with lipstick is gonna roll into DC and correct all
of this
 with her big 'ole moose guttin' knife.  In the meantime, just chill.
Help
 is on the way.

  Steve

Awesome!  I will start holding my breath...now!

In the interest of equal opportunity political whining...

Don't worry about this, Barack and Biden will make everything all
better.  In the meantime, just chill.  Help is on the way.   


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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Constance Warner
BTW, Palin will be VICE President if McCain is elected.  If that
happens, let's hope he stays healthy and that she doesn't try to pull a
Cheney.  Incidentally, she has turned against and betrayed nearly every
political figure who has ever helped her, so if McCain is elected, it
could be an interesting four years.  (BTW, as far as an improved
internet or wireless network goes: she has a record of not funding
infrastructure, other than a hockey rink that left the town of Wasilla
in debt.)

Pit bull is a pretty good description.

(OT Warning: posting a link to a news story at the BOTTOM of this email,
on Palin  Wasilla under her watch.  If you don't want anything OT,
please avoid it.)

--Constance Warner


On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sep 17, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:

 Why should some fat cat who pays himself $1,000,000/day not be held
[responsible?]
  snip!

  The pit bull with lipstick is gonna roll into DC and correct all of
this
 with her big 'ole moose guttin' knife.  In the meantime, just chill.
Help
 is on the way.

  Steve

Awesome!  I will start holding my breath...now!


Here's the OT link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/11/politics/animal/main4441978.sh
tml 


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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Steve Rigby

On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Larry Sacks wrote:


In the interest of equal opportunity political whining...

Don't worry about this, Barack and Biden will make everything all
better.  In the meantime, just chill.  Help is on the way.


  Absolutely.  We would not want to leave any of our hot air laden  
politicians out of the solution.


  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS?

2008-09-17 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hold on, that is a post EDS merger trimming. That percentage is not at
 all unusual after a merger. The merged company will find many positions

 duplicated with only enough work required to justify one position.
 
 It is a sad truth about mergers that many good employees get shafted.

 That's basically the story I heard on the local NBC (I believe) radio
 affiliate yesterday afternoon.  Although I don't believe they used the
 word shafted but that's what I thought when I heard the story.


Shafted is a more common term around Philadelphia for getting the wrong end
of the short stick.

I went to the University next door to Tom's alma mater and the Drexel Shaft
was always to blame for some misfortune or another.  We even had a monument
to the shaft on the quad which has since been moved to one of the newer
dorms.  (http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM2T64)  Urban Dictionary
attaches the term to a huge smoke stack which was less common when I was
there.

-- 
John Duncan Yoyo
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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
My connection is that nothing much will happen NO MATTER WHICH of the 
two major party candidates are elected.


We will not elect anyone who wants to change the status quo.  They 
will just move around the deck chairs a little on the cruise ship.


Stewart

At 01:29 PM 9/17/2008, you wrote:


  Absolutely.  We would not want to leave any of our hot air laden
politicians out of the solution.

  Steve


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Roger D. Parish

At 1:46 PM -0500 9/17/08, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

My connection is that nothing much will happen NO MATTER WHICH of 
the two major party candidates are elected.


We will not elect anyone who wants to change the status quo.  They 
will just move around the deck chairs a little on the cruise ship.


That's awfully cynical for a man of the cloth! I thought you guys 
(and gals, nowadays) were all about hope?

--
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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Yes but not in the things of man.

My hope is built on nothing less, than Jesus and his 
righteousness.  That is how the hymn is sung.


I pray for my leaders and such, but I do not put my faith in them 
dangerous thing, putting faith in man.


Stewart



At 02:24 PM 9/17/2008, you wrote:

That's awfully cynical for a man of the cloth! I thought you guys 
(and gals, nowadays) were all about hope?

--
Roger
Lovettsville, VA


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
Apple's iTunes 8 has some interesting side effects.  It causes a BSOD on
Vista:

Old news. Corrected version is out.

So much for Vista's protected mode computing.


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Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Roger D. Parish

At 4:21 PM -0400 9/17/08, Tom Piwowar wrote:


 Apple's iTunes 8 has some interesting side effects.  It causes a BSOD on

Vista:


Old news. Corrected version is out.

So much for Vista's protected mode computing.


The problem, as I understand it, is a driver that Apple supplied. 
Drivers tend to run at kernel level. It would be nice to isolate 
drivers, but it's kinda the nature of the beast that a driver brings 
down the whole OS.

--
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[CGUYS] Help! Update

2008-09-17 Thread Kelly J. Morris

Greetings -

For the last few days, I have been testing data recovery software and 
trying to find the folders and files from my WD 500 GB USB external 
drive. No luck, in particular with Search and Recover and Easy 
Recovery Pro.


When I originally dragged and dropped my data from my Linux partition to 
the external drive (formatted FAT32), I dragged folders that were 
created in Linux ext2 but that contained .doc, .txt, .html, .pdf, and 
.jpg files. When I subsequently saved my Windows folders to the same 
external HD, they must have overwritten the folders created in ext2. I 
assume that if I had simply copied all the files, sans folders created 
in ext2, to the HD, this might not have happened.


Since I deleted my SuSE partition and installed Ubuntu in its place, 
thinking that my files were safely backed-up, I think that I am facing a 
lost cause. My last gasp is to try a data recovery program that has a 
Linux version and see if it can see something that the others can't - 
probably not.


I downloaded TestDisk at 
http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download and got the version for 
Linux ext3 to install in Ubuntu 8.041 . The filename is 
testdisk-6.10.linux26.tar.bz2 and I downloaded it to my Desktop.


Ftrom there, I'm stuck. Although everyone says it's easy, I don't have a 
good track record untarring tarred files. Some step-by-step advice about 
untarring and installing, begining with Step 2 (Step 1 being Turn on 
your computer - I got that covered! grin) would be greatly appreciated.


Seems that professional recovery firms around here charge $125/hour and 
I just can't afford that amount.


TIA   Kelly


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Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Larry Sacks
Apple's iTunes 8 has some interesting side effects.  It causes a BSOD
on
Vista:

Old news. Corrected version is out.

So much for Vista's protected mode computing.

Yawn... predictable...

The problem, as I understand it, is a driver that Apple supplied. 
Drivers tend to run at kernel level. It would be nice to isolate 
drivers, but it's kinda the nature of the beast that a driver brings 
down the whole OS.

AND... AND... the driver gets downloaded for you automatically because
MS, I mean Apple has decided you want it.  Maybe they could prompt you,
Hey...we've got this really cool driver you might want to download.
Would you like us to do that? or Hey...we've got this really cool
driver you might want to download.  There's a good chance it'll make
your system vomburp.

But it's okay because Apple's becoming equal opportunity.  Apparently
it's also caused problems for owners of Airport Express routers.  

Me?  I'd rather not have drivers I don't need installed for me.  I don't
even own an iPod (horrors I know) or an iPhone (yes, it's true!)  


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Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread mike
Yeah Tom, MS team members program iTunes for Apple now.  Tell us another one

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Apple's iTunes 8 has some interesting side effects.  It causes a BSOD on
 Vista:

 Old news. Corrected version is out.

 So much for Vista's protected mode computing.


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[CGUYS] Test what your ISP is blocking

2008-09-17 Thread Fred Holmes
http://www.eff.org/testyourisp/switzerland


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Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Tony B
I've been warning people off itunes for a long time anyway. As bad as
Real ever was, which I've had similar bad luck with.


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Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Chris Dunford
 Old news. Corrected version is out.
 
 So much for Vista's protected mode computing.

You really need to get someone to write you a new script.


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Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread mike
I've never had an issue with iTunes.

Real? ugh.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've been warning people off itunes for a long time anyway. As bad as
 Real ever was, which I've had similar bad luck with.


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Re: [CGUYS] Help! Update

2008-09-17 Thread John DeCarlo
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Kelly J. Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 When I originally dragged and dropped my data from my Linux partition to
 the external drive (formatted FAT32), I dragged folders that were created in
 Linux ext2 but that contained .doc, .txt, .html, .pdf, and .jpg files. When
 I subsequently saved my Windows folders to the same external HD, they must
 have overwritten the folders created in ext2. I assume that if I had simply
 copied all the files, sans folders created in ext2, to the HD, this might
 not have happened.


Doesn't matter what file system the files were on originally.  You wrote to
the FAT32 drive from both Linux and Windows.

There could be more esoteric reasons (like you turned off the hard drive
while writing was still happening), the most common reason why the files
would be overwritten is because they have the same names.  FAT32 is not case
sensitive.

You are probably safe booting from the hard drive since this is an external,
but you might also want to have a few bootable CDs, like the Ultimate Boot
CD (http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/) or Trinity Rescue (
http://trinityhome.org/Home/index.php?wpid=1front_id=12), or one of many
others - you should get some good recommendations here.

I downloaded TestDisk at
http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Downloadand got the version
for Linux ext3 to install in Ubuntu 8.041 . The filename
 is testdisk-6.10.linux26.tar.bz2 and I downloaded it to my Desktop.

 Ftrom there, I'm stuck. Although everyone says it's easy, I don't have a
 good track record untarring tarred files. Some step-by-step advice about
 untarring and installing, begining with Step 2 (Step 1 being Turn on your
 computer - I got that covered! grin) would be greatly appreciated.


2.  Boot to Ubuntu and log in.

If you are comfortable with the command line, here is a set of steps.  Some
of these steps you should do as root, but I forget which ones.  If any of
them don't work at first, replace x with sudo x and type in your own
password when prompted.

3.  Start a terminal session (I forget the exact command in Ubuntu, but it
should be under System or Utilities, might be called terminal or console).

4.  I like to install software in /opt, but it is up to you where you
install it, maybe under /home/kelly or the like.  In which case mkdir /opt
followed by cd /opt

5.  Copy the tar file to /opt.  cp
/home/kelly/testdisk-6.10.linux26.tar.bz2 /opt

6.  Untar it - it should create its own directory.  tar jxvf
testdisk-6.10.linux26.tar.bz2

7.  Look for the new directory - it should show up in your screen since I
added v for verbose, but just see what you have anyway.  ls -l

8.  Change to the directory.  cd testdisk-6.10/linux

9.  Choose whether to run photorec (recover photos) sudo
./photorec_static  or testdisk (recover partitions) sudo
./testdisk_static

You know, I just looked there, and I don't think it will do what you want,
either one.



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Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
You really need to get someone to write you a new script.

You go play with your Zune.


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Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread mike
He's the one with the zune??  I never knew he could squirt songs.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You really need to get someone to write you a new script.

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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Jeff Wright
 The solution may be as simple as to void all exclusive franchises and
 any legislation that keeps communities from entering the market to correct
 market inefficiencies that may cause them to get bypassed. 

By God, there's hope for you yet.  Maybe the idiot king of the FCC, Kevin
Martin, can abuse his powers for good for a change and do just that.  It
would probably fall apart in the first court case, but waiting for counties
and municipalities to give up their fat franchise fees, well, Godot, would
get there first.

Take 'em kicking and screaming out of the 1950's, I say.

 Another solution would be to enforce universal service to eliminate cherry
 picking and to set minimum service standards (network neutrality, no
 caps, no throttling, etc.).

Oo, so close.  So much for hope.  


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Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
He's the one with the zune??  I never knew he could squirt songs.

Notice how peevish the WFBs get as MS's market share slips away.


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