Re: [CGUYS] Good Time to Buy Zunes

2008-12-16 Thread gerald
apple's about a 30bil company.  they shipping 100 bil a day on fedex next day?

that is the ultimat just in time mfg and delivery, and an extremely inefficient 
method of mfgr.

At 09:27 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
Well two tip offs should have made everyone realize this was another
tom-attacks-ms-no-reason-needed email.  It was from Tom and he was citing
the roughly drafted blog.

Some folks on the List had expressed a desire for Zunes. When I read that 
retailers were overstocked and prices were as low as $80 I thought they 
would appreciate the news. I guess not.

Why do WFBs have such vast inferiority complexes?

Apple makes daily deliveries of iPods/iPhones to retailers. They often 
sell out early. Hence shipped and sold are virtually the same number.


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[CGUYS] MP3 Player for the Visually Handicapped?

2008-12-16 Thread John covici
The newest ipods have talking menus and will even speak the song
title.  Also, if you go to rockbox.org you could get a player which
you could put their software on and it would speak quite a bit of
useful information.

Hope this helps.

on Monday 12/15/2008 computerg...@att.net(computerg...@att.net) wrote
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  Macular Degeneration so she can enjoy Old Radio shows.  It does not have to 
  be portable, but portable is ok.  Need simple controls that don't need a 
  screen.  The Ipod appears not to be the solution.   Thanks for any replys.  
  -Bill.
  
  
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Re: [CGUYS] Good Time to Buy Zunes

2008-12-16 Thread gerald
correction 100 mil a day.

At 10:05 AM 12/16/2008, you wrote:
apple's about a 30bil company.  they shipping 100 bil a day on fedex next day?

that is the ultimat just in time mfg and delivery, and an extremely 
inefficient method of mfgr.

At 09:27 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
Well two tip offs should have made everyone realize this was another
tom-attacks-ms-no-reason-needed email.  It was from Tom and he was citing
the roughly drafted blog.

Some folks on the List had expressed a desire for Zunes. When I read that 
retailers were overstocked and prices were as low as $80 I thought they 
would appreciate the news. I guess not.

Why do WFBs have such vast inferiority complexes?

Apple makes daily deliveries of iPods/iPhones to retailers. They often 
sell out early. Hence shipped and sold are virtually the same number.


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Re: [CGUYS] Good Time to Buy Zunes

2008-12-16 Thread Chris Dunford
 Now I see my mistake, I forgot to apply the super secret sauce of
 double standard.  Silly me.
 
 MS/shipped = misleading bad guys
 Apple/shipped + secret sauce = bright and shiny

You forgot to mention what a sound business plan it is for near-bankrupt
retailers to stock and display large quantities of unsellable Zunes at
Christmas time.


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[CGUYS] Copying a tree of folders without the files enclosed in those folders

2008-12-16 Thread Fred Holmes
Is there a process for copying a tree of folders without copying the files that 
are in those folders?

I have a 2008 folder containing a large tree of folders with 2008 data in 
various categories.  I want to create a 2009 folder (easily done), and then 
copy the folder tree, without data files, from the 2008 folder to the 2009 
folder.  Yes, I can copy everything (wasteful), but then the process of 
deleting all of the data files from the destination tree is a tedious one 
(unless, perhaps, there is an automated process for doing that, but only as a 
last resort).

Many thanks for any help.

Fred Holmes


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Re: [CGUYS] Good Time to Buy Zunes

2008-12-16 Thread RLeeSimon
Descent summary;
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/zune-vs-ipod-the-final-word-on-who
-should-get-your-money-215107.php ...tom, whatzit gonna take4u2getaZune??

-Original Message-
From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Good Time to Buy Zunes


Well two tip offs should have made everyone realize this was another
tom-attacks-ms-no-reason-needed email.  It was from Tom and he was 
citing the roughly drafted blog.

Some folks on the List had expressed a desire for Zunes. When I read that 
retailers were overstocked and prices were as low as $80 I thought they 
would appreciate the news. I guess not.

Why do WFBs have such vast inferiority complexes?

Apple makes daily deliveries of iPods/iPhones to retailers. They often 
sell out early. Hence shipped and sold are virtually the same number.


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Re: [CGUYS] Good Time to Buy Zunes

2008-12-16 Thread RLeeSimon
Descent summary but more recent 2008;
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3204p=10 ...tom,
howzURzune??

-Original Message-
From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Good Time to Buy Zunes


Well two tip offs should have made everyone realize this was another 
tom-attacks-ms-no-reason-needed email.  It was from Tom and he was 
citing the roughly drafted blog.

Some folks on the List had expressed a desire for Zunes. When I read that 
retailers were overstocked and prices were as low as $80 I thought they 
would appreciate the news. I guess not.

Why do WFBs have such vast inferiority complexes?

Apple makes daily deliveries of iPods/iPhones to retailers. They often 
sell out early. Hence shipped and sold are virtually the same number.


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Re: [CGUYS] Copying a tree of folders without the files enclosed in those folders

2008-12-16 Thread Andy Gallant
You can try xcopy.  I don't know how to do it with robocopy.  Using the 
/L option is good for previewing what might happen.  Incomplete 
information on xcopy follows:


XCOPY
...
Syntax
XCOPY /source/ [/destination/] [/options/]
...
/E Copy folders and subfolders, including Empty folders.
May be used to modify /T.
...
/L List only - Display files that would be copied.
...
///T Create folder structure, but do not copy files. Do not
include empty folders or subfolders.
/T /E will include empty folders and subfolders.
...

Fred Holmes wrote:
Is there a process for copying a tree of folders without copying the 
files that are in those folders?


I have a 2008 folder containing a large tree of folders with 2008 
data in various categories. I want to create a 2009 folder (easily 
done), and then copy the folder tree, without data files, from the 
2008 folder to the 2009 folder. Yes, I can copy everything (wasteful), 
but then the process of deleting all of the data files from the 
destination tree is a tedious one (unless, perhaps, there is an 
automated process for doing that, but only as a last resort).


Many thanks for any help.

Fred Holmes



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Re: [CGUYS] Copying a tree of folders without the files enclosed in those folders

2008-12-16 Thread John Emmerling
Depending on the amount of data, you could create a zip archive of the
tree, whack the files within the archive, then explode into the new
location.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Andy Gallant a...@agallant.com wrote:
 You can try xcopy.  I don't know how to do it with robocopy.  Using the /L
 option is good for previewing what might happen.  Incomplete information on
 xcopy follows:

 XCOPY
 ...

 Fred Holmes wrote:

 Is there a process for copying a tree of folders without copying the files
 that are in those folders?



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Re: [CGUYS] Good Time to Buy Zunes

2008-12-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:36 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Now I see my mistake, I forgot to apply the super secret sauce of double
 standard.  Silly me.

 MS/shipped = misleading bad guys
 Apple/shipped + secret sauce = bright and shiny


You really should stay off the sauce when you post. :-)

I love my iPod but would tolerate a Zune for the FM radio for gym use.  An
integrated FM Radio is the biggest thing missing from a near perfect piece
of technology.


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Re: [CGUYS] Copying a tree of folders without the files enclosed in those folders

2008-12-16 Thread Fred Holmes
Works like a charm.  Many thanks!

Fred Holmes

At 02:36 PM 12/16/2008, Andy Gallant wrote:
You can try xcopy.  I don't know how to do it with robocopy.  Using the /L 
option is good for previewing what might happen.  Incomplete information on 
xcopy follows:

XCOPY

Syntax
XCOPY /source/ [/destination/] [/options/]

/E Copy folders and subfolders, including Empty folders.
May be used to modify /T.

/L List only - Display files that would be copied.

///T Create folder structure, but do not copy files. Do not
include empty folders or subfolders.
/T /E will include empty folders and subfolders.


Fred Holmes wrote:
Is there a process for copying a tree of folders without copying the files 
that are in those folders?

I have a 2008 folder containing a large tree of folders with 2008 data in 
various categories. I want to create a 2009 folder (easily done), and then 
copy the folder tree, without data files, from the 2008 folder to the 2009 
folder. Yes, I can copy everything (wasteful), but then the process of 
deleting all of the data files from the destination tree is a tedious one 
(unless, perhaps, there is an automated process for doing that, but only as a 
last resort).

Many thanks for any help.

Fred Holmes


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Re: [CGUYS] Good Time to Buy Zunes

2008-12-16 Thread mike
Who?

I've got five ipods...I think I touched a Zune once in a Fry's.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:55 PM, John Duncan Yoyo
johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:36 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:

  Now I see my mistake, I forgot to apply the super secret sauce of double
  standard.  Silly me.
 
  MS/shipped = misleading bad guys
  Apple/shipped + secret sauce = bright and shiny
 

 You really should stay off the sauce when you post. :-)

 I love my iPod but would tolerate a Zune for the FM radio for gym use.  An
 integrated FM Radio is the biggest thing missing from a near perfect piece
 of technology.


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Re: [CGUYS] Good Time to Buy Zunes

2008-12-16 Thread mike
What?

The sauce is what makes things bearable...

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:24 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Who?

 I've got five ipods...I think I touched a Zune once in a Fry's.


 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:55 PM, John Duncan Yoyo 
 johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:36 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:

  Now I see my mistake, I forgot to apply the super secret sauce of double
  standard.  Silly me.
 
  MS/shipped = misleading bad guys
  Apple/shipped + secret sauce = bright and shiny
 

 You really should stay off the sauce when you post. :-)

 I love my iPod but would tolerate a Zune for the FM radio for gym use.  An
 integrated FM Radio is the biggest thing missing from a near perfect piece
 of technology.


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Re: [CGUYS] Good Time to Buy Zunes

2008-12-16 Thread gerald
why you got five?  so you got one that works??

At 04:24 PM 12/16/2008, you wrote:
Who?

I've got five ipods...I think I touched a Zune once in a Fry's.


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Re: [CGUYS] Good Time to Buy Zunes

2008-12-16 Thread mike
Two nanos, 3g ipod, 4thg ipod video and got a touch about 2 months ago.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:05 PM, gerald ger...@slawecki.com wrote:

 why you got five?  so you got one that works??

 At 04:24 PM 12/16/2008, you wrote:
 Who?
 
 I've got five ipods...I think I touched a Zune once in a Fry's.


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Re: [CGUYS] Good Time to Buy Zunes

2008-12-16 Thread David K Watson

That's a two year old review comparing the now Classic iPod
with essentially the same Zune of today.   The points in favor
of a iPod still hold for the touch screen version, aside from the
issues over screen size (iPod wins) and scroll wheel (now moot).
Also, I believe that the Zune can be used with the Mac via
Songbird.


Descent summary;
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/zune-vs-ipod-the-final-word-on-who
-should-get-your-money-215107.php ...tom, whatzit gonna  
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Re: [CGUYS] Good Time to Buy Zunes

2008-12-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
Now I see my mistake, I forgot to apply the super secret sauce of double
standard.  Silly me.

You can't see the difference between a company that ships a product and 
sells it the next day and one that ships products for long-term storage 
in distributor's warehouses?

And you probably buy your vegetables at Safeway too.


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Re: [CGUYS] MP3 Player for the Visually Handicapped?

2008-12-16 Thread Stephen Brownfield
As a person who works with individuals with disabilities, I feel that I 
should weigh in on this. 
It is important to find out works for the person.  Different things 
work for different people. So as far as a portable MP3 player goes, I'd 
recommend taking her to a store where she could try different types of 
them.  That way she could tell you what controls she likes  and which 
one she dislikes.  If she  has a computer  she can access the MP3 files  
through something like Media Player (for windows) or iTunes  (for 
Windows or Mac).  What is important  if  she  is using a computer to  
use the  Accessibility Options (in Windows control panel) or the 
Universal Access (in Mac's System Preferences)  both of these can be 
used to change the size and contrast of the items on the screen.  Mac 
also has a built in screen reader.  (I have not used it, so I don't know 
how good it is.)  Windows does not have built in screen reader, however 
two very good third party screen readers are out there for Windows 
machines (JAWS and Window-Eyes).  They are both rather expensive.  I 
have a client who is blind and accesses a computer using JAWS.  He often 
goes to an Old Time Radio site and listens via his Windows Media Player. 
 I realize this is more of a general answer, but as I stated 
earlier different things work for different people.  If I can be of 
any help, feel free to contact me off list.


Steve



computerg...@att.net wrote:

Hello all.  I would like to buy a MP3 Player for an elderly person with Macular 
Degeneration so she can enjoy Old Radio shows.  It does not have to be 
portable, but portable is ok.  Need simple controls that don't need a screen.  
The Ipod appears not to be the solution.   Thanks for any replys.  -Bill.


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