Re: [CGUYS] the moon
I find it so disappointing hot short sighted logic and well meaning people can be. DB, I'm going to pull a Star Trek reverence on you, but you're a Vulcan. It's going to take you thousands of years to figure out you need or even how to wipe your butt. To dangerous and doesn't figure in with the science. Doing great things requires great risk. I'm guessing you didn't really pay much attention in history class. I guess it really comes to where you want your kids an future relatives to be. Should they stay on a slow but basic stagnic course to future extingsion? I'm ignoring spelling. Or should they strive for more? Damn the logic and get human and go for it. If you're human, it makes you who you are. Now to the question of who pays for it. We all pay for it in the end. And we all benefit in the end. Of course this depends on you definition of benefiting. Would you rather be chipping spear heads? Growing up means realizing everything comes with a cost. Should we outlaw the internet today? It has cost so may people so much. On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:11 PM, db wrote: Yeh ... let private industry develop this new manned space flight. And why won't they just do that on their own if it is such a great deal? Because these private corps and their stockholders want the rest of us ... the taxpayers without bankruptcy protection who are just trying to hang on to our mortgages/ pay for medical care etc ... to pay all the setup costs so then they can't make a profit. Such a deal! Just like the ones military industrial complex and medical insurance industry rams down our throats. Come back from outer space. We've got to get back to basics in this country and postpone some of the things we want to do ... have been used to doing ... until we have our house in order. This country has itself mortgaged to the hilt ... is totally dependent on foreign competing nations for the security of it's economy and it still has an ANOTHER unseen mortgage of international trade being conducted in US dollars that is likely to come due if we don't get real and start living by our means. It's to our advantage that trade is in dollars and increasingly with our economic slide to other nations disadvantage. If we don't get our finances on solid footing again, the money making countries will be adopting a different currency of exchange and our system will take another HUGE dive once no one wants dollars anymore. We in the US need to turn our attention from outer space to inner space for a while or suffer the consequences me thinks... Go to Mars when we've got affairs on Earth on solid footing again... db This BS system of corps using us b_s-wilk wrote: Energy is only as free as the technology to capture and distribute it. The advantages in manufacturing are cancelled out by the costs. Are the corporations that want to use microgravity for production going to absorb all the risks? Or is this yet another example of socializing risk with federal investment in RD and privatizing the profits? Uh oh. That gets us back to what's wrong with health insurance legislation. Robots are as smart as the scientists who design them. Robots have done well for us so far. Patience with the slow rate of advances for human space travel will make travel safer and more productive in the long run. Research now--travel later. I have a ticket for travel to Mars that I got years ago at Cape Canaveral. I'll send it to you if I can find it. Ready for a trip to Mars? Imagine riding a bicycle on Mars! [The ticket for a flight to the moon expired 10 years ago.] Microgravity offers real advanages in alloy and semiconductor maufacturing, also pharmaceuticals. We now know how to construct large structures in orbit and maintain a long term presence in space. Energy is unlimited and free. Four nations/national consortia can boost cargo into orbit and to the station assuming JAXA's HTV is successful. I see the potential as enormous. But we have to be there to realize it. The ISS is a good start. If we look at it as a platform for the assembly of space-only ships, and as a fuel transfer point, we could explore the L4 and L5 Lagrangian points. The moon is probably not a good idea if we can't prove the presence of water. Robots aren't smart enough to do it all, and if we look at this new frontier as a government monopoly we are shortchanging ourselves. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness,
[CGUYS] If anyone is interested
If anyone is interested, compugeeks (www.geeks.com) has refurbed Apple Core Duo 2.16 laptops for 699. Here is the direct Website. They have everything from G3 Ibooks and up. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] If anyone is interested
Looks like they even offer $100 discount off of that to make it $599: http://tinyurl.com/llpjn2 http://www.geeks.com/pix/2009/SAVENB.html?cm_mmc=geekmail-_-daily_html-_-15sep09_SAVENB-Viewasweb Richard P. On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: If anyone is interested, compugeeks (www.geeks.com) has refurbed Apple Core Duo 2.16 laptops for 699. Here is the direct Website. They have everything from G3 Ibooks and up. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Jeff, We took our risks and lost... the wreckage is fairly visible all around us and will become more soberingly evident with time. If you think Asia is sleeping while we dither about our problems, you are naive. Last I heard their growth rate is currently 8% while ours is negative. The space exploration you are talking about is going to be done but as it seems now... not by us... probably by the Chinese because they have the money and income to pay for it and make that very long term exploratory investment. Unless we fix our economic engine... so it provides real and substantial income for the nation as a whole... we won't and shouldn't be allowing any sectors to have essentially their carte blanche way with substantial parts of our budget for purposes of their self betterment at our expense and indebtedness. Not the military, not the insurance companies and not the space program. If we continue to allow those massive drains on our system without getting our economic house in order first, America won't be leading anything in the 21st century except its entry onto the rolls of history of failed world powers. Why and how do you think past failed world powers relinquished their power and wealth? They didn't decide to give up ... they just were stuck with outmoded images and expectations of themselves and so made poor, foolish out-of-touch decisions and investments exactly when competing upcoming powers were making practical and empowering ones. So they got beat and replaced by those who focused and took hold of the basic implements of power. The space program is not a basic implement of power... it's a wonderful symptom and benefit of power and wealth ... if you've got it. We presently don't. When home owning, basic health insurance and our national security are all being severely tested and at major risk, it's not the time to be committing a major part of our bankrupt national budget (money we don't have) to outer space. Unless you happen to be in the space industry and of course would like money from us... Or unless you want to give Asia another implement to sink us with... Money we borrow from them is money they will use to control our future for their benefit. Get real! My 3 bits... db Jeff Miles wrote: I find it so disappointing hot short sighted logic and well meaning people can be. DB, I'm going to pull a Star Trek reverence on you, but you're a Vulcan. It's going to take you thousands of years to figure out you need or even how to wipe your butt. To dangerous and doesn't figure in with the science. Doing great things requires great risk. I'm guessing you didn't really pay much attention in history class. I guess it really comes to where you want your kids an future relatives to be. Should they stay on a slow but basic stagnic course to future extingsion? I'm ignoring spelling. Or should they strive for more? Damn the logic and get human and go for it. If you're human, it makes you who you are. Now to the question of who pays for it. We all pay for it in the end. And we all benefit in the end. Of course this depends on you definition of benefiting. Would you rather be chipping spear heads? Growing up means realizing everything comes with a cost. Should we outlaw the internet today? It has cost so may people so much. On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:11 PM, db wrote: Yeh ... let private industry develop this new manned space flight. And why won't they just do that on their own if it is such a great deal? Because these private corps and their stockholders want the rest of us ... the taxpayers without bankruptcy protection who are just trying to hang on to our mortgages/ pay for medical care etc ... to pay all the setup costs so then they can't make a profit. Such a deal! Just like the ones military industrial complex and medical insurance industry rams down our throats. Come back from outer space. We've got to get back to basics in this country and postpone some of the things we want to do ... have been used to doing ... until we have our house in order. This country has itself mortgaged to the hilt ... is totally dependent on foreign competing nations for the security of it's economy and it still has an ANOTHER unseen mortgage of international trade being conducted in US dollars that is likely to come due if we don't get real and start living by our means. It's to our advantage that trade is in dollars and increasingly with our economic slide to other nations disadvantage. If we don't get our finances on solid footing again, the money making countries will be adopting a different currency of exchange and our system will take another HUGE dive once no one wants dollars anymore. We in the US need to turn our attention from outer space to inner space for a while or suffer the consequences me thinks... Go to Mars when we've got affairs on Earth on solid footing again... db This
[CGUYS] Mac alternative spell checker
I'm looking into a better spell checker than the one that comes on the Mac. Sometimes the one on the Mac does a lousy job of guessing what I'm looking for. Does anyone have knowledge or experience with an alternative that the Mac can use instead of the native one? Thanks! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Secure password DB app sync-able for 2 iPhones?
Can anyone recommend a good secure password and personal info DB that is sync-able with two (husband and wife) OSX laptops and two (husband and wife) iPhones? If all that is not possible then, one laptop and two iPhones would be acceptable... Splash ID is only sync-able with one computer and one iPhone Recommendations for any other killer iPhone apps would also be appreciated... db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Best voice to text iPhone app.?
I would appreciate recommendations for an iPhone app. where the text could perhaps be used in a note, email or SMS perhaps? Who are the contenders and are they ready for prime time? thanks in advance, db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac alternative spell checker
On Sep 15, 2009, at 11:41 AM Sep 15, Jordan wrote: I'm looking into a better spell checker than the one that comes on the Mac. Sometimes the one on the Mac does a lousy job of guessing what I'm looking for. http://www.rainmakerinc.com/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Best voice to text iPhone app.?
Quick Voice ShoutOUT [soon?] http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10185457-1.html Jott I would appreciate recommendations for an iPhone app. where the text could perhaps be used in a note, email or SMS perhaps? Who are the contenders and are they ready for prime time? thanks in advance, * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
