Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
On Dec 12, 2009, at 6:21 PM, John A. Newitt wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13digi.html?hpw The results place ATT’s data network not just on top, but well ahead of everyone else. “ATT’s data throughput is 40 to 50 percent higher than the competition, including Verizon,” When the network and the handset were improved, customers “just used it all the more.” Looks like a can't win situation for the carrier. ATT's problem is that it is offering the best phones: several different smart phones, including the iPhone. Hence heavy network traffic. Verizon's network comes off looking good because it offers its customer's the worst phones. Hence light network traffic. If the Droid catches on we will soon see Verizon on its knees. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
So we'll see bad 3g everywhere with Verizon? And ATT will look better because they can only offer bad 3g in a couple places? I like where it says ATT won't criticize Apple...but they have no problem blasting their own customers. I'd like to see some of these stats somewhere other then the NYT, they are already known to be in Apple's pocket. They cite growth of 4000%..and then link it to another article from them that doesn't talk about it. What is the growth on tmobile? Or Verizon? We all know it's high on ATT, but there is no source data at all in this article, or the linked articles. ATT offers the single most popular smartphone, beyond that, every network now has virtually the same phones...so no, Verizon doesn't offer the worst phones. The iPhone is all that is keeping people with ATT, the droid isn't all verizon has, there are 3 android phones on that network, each one a good choice. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 12, 2009, at 6:21 PM, John A. Newitt wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13digi.html?hpw The results place ATT’s data network not just on top, but well ahead of everyone else. “ATT’s data throughput is 40 to 50 percent higher than the competition, including Verizon,” When the network and the handset were improved, customers “just used it all the more.” Looks like a can't win situation for the carrier. ATT's problem is that it is offering the best phones: several different smart phones, including the iPhone. Hence heavy network traffic. Verizon's network comes off looking good because it offers its customer's the worst phones. Hence light network traffic. If the Droid catches on we will soon see Verizon on its knees. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 7:50 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a customer either, I wouldn't pay my cellular carrier for the privilege of mapping how bad their network is. It's not about politician or technologist, it's about being a shill or apologist. I'm neither...I'm a customer, I pay for a service. I'm glad the network I'm on doesn't have such horrid service that they needed to build such an app for their smartphones. Maybe if they put money into network improvements instead of lawyers to whine about verizon spreading the truth, their customers might be happier. ATT, we aren't happy, till you aren't happy...and now we have an app for that too. The smart part about this is that ATT will find out where people want to use iPhones and can't get service. If there is enough demand they can build where they are most wanted. Apparently much of the iPhone problem is that there are overly large concentrations of the things in vocal areas like SF, DC and NYC. If you suck there the word gets spread. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
Oh I get very well why they are doing it. But would you really put up with this? ATT has known about this issue since the first six months of the iPhone release, if by now they still don't know where calls are getting dropped, what have they been doing all this time? Well recently they have been taking Verizon to court for being honest which in the end just upped the ante and made ATT look like whining crybabies. Their CEO talked about how it was the iPhone users own fault for actually expecting their device to work as advertised and that his customers were too stupid to know what a megabyte was. I'd argue a lot of iphone users are smarter than most others, but he likes to insult them. The single instance of ATT wanting their own customers to work for them, on top of paying the most expensive charges in the country might not be so bad if not coupled with these other things ATT has done or said. Also, the fact is, those areas you mention are also the only few areas ATT has 3g, so the only place you have a provable faster network...is where in the end it sucks the most unless you get up at 3am to test it. I hope Droid and Eris and the samsung phone on Verizon do start testing Verizon's network, competition is good and I think with the new slate of Android phones coming, especially the biggie soon to be released with the snapdragon CPU, will only make things better for mobile customers. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:06 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: The smart part about this is that ATT will find out where people want to use iPhones and can't get service. If there is enough demand they can build where they are most wanted. Apparently much of the iPhone problem is that there are overly large concentrations of the things in vocal areas like SF, DC and NYC. If you suck there the word gets spread. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
On Dec 13, 2009, at 2:02 PM, mike wrote: ATT offers the single most popular smartphone, beyond that, every network now has virtually the same phones...so no, Verizon doesn't offer the worst phones. Why You Can’t Get a Good Phone With Verizon | Gadget Lab | Wired.com http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/verizon-smartphones/ Why does the U.S. carrier known for the best network have the worst smartphones? Verizon Wireless Focuses On Network Performance In Lieu Of Having Snazzy Smartphone Line-Up http://moconews.net/article/419-verizon-wireless-focuses-on-network-performance-in-lieu-of-having-snazz/ So far, Verizon’s weak smartphone portfolio has yet to impact the largest U.S. carrier... SpoonFed: Why Verizon is Losing the Smart Phone War http://blog.laptopmag.com/spoonfed-why-verizon-wireless-is-losing-the-smartphone-war So where does this leave Verizon? Twiddling its thumbs. It has fiercely loyal customers, and the carrier wins award after award for reliability, but right now it doesn’t have the device portfolio to match its high-quality network. Why is Verizon so slow with phones with newer technology? http://forum.dvdtalk.com/tech-talk/561277-why-verizon-so-slow-phones-newer-technology.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
All information prior to Android. The lineups on the carriers changes, Verizon was a few weeks late to the Android game, but now offer 3, on top of the blackberry and WM phones every other carrier has. They don't have an iPhone...but only ATT have that. So can you point to something that is actually missing at Verizon? Blackberry? check WM phones? check Android? check On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 1:05 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 13, 2009, at 2:02 PM, mike wrote: ATT offers the single most popular smartphone, beyond that, every network now has virtually the same phones...so no, Verizon doesn't offer the worst phones. Why You Can’t Get a Good Phone With Verizon | Gadget Lab | Wired.com http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/verizon-smartphones/ Why does the U.S. carrier known for the best network have the worst smartphones? Verizon Wireless Focuses On Network Performance In Lieu Of Having Snazzy Smartphone Line-Up http://moconews.net/article/419-verizon-wireless-focuses-on-network-performance-in-lieu-of-having-snazz/ So far, Verizon’s weak smartphone portfolio has yet to impact the largest U.S. carrier... SpoonFed: Why Verizon is Losing the Smart Phone War http://blog.laptopmag.com/spoonfed-why-verizon-wireless-is-losing-the-smartphone-war So where does this leave Verizon? Twiddling its thumbs. It has fiercely loyal customers, and the carrier wins award after award for reliability, but right now it doesn’t have the device portfolio to match its high-quality network. Why is Verizon so slow with phones with newer technology? http://forum.dvdtalk.com/tech-talk/561277-why-verizon-so-slow-phones-newer-technology.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] moto android again
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Where does a robot engender fear and aprehension? Droid is a play on google's OS name, not motorola's. An android is defined as a robotic automaton, specifically a robot that takes on human form and functionality, a la the humanoid destroyer depicted in the Terminator movie series or the metal woman in Metropolis, or those in the Will Smith movie, the title of which currently escapes me. Androids are not normally considered as warm and fuzzy robots that do good. In stories, they typically exist to wreak havoc upon the human populous. I think that type of imagery works well in the United States, particularly since we are engaged in the war without end, or so we have been told. Thus, we saw the original Droid ads drawing upon that name as well as drawing upon metal machines of destruction to sell that product. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] moto android again
I guess it's different habits. I base my feelings on the books I read for years, especially Asimov, when I think about robots. And in most the commercials, they talk about getting stuff done, not much bombing going on...but I get your feeling on them, as I said they remind me of Michael Bay movies. I say Data from Star Trek, you go Hector from Saturn 3. The Maria robot was created by a mad scientist, so it's not really the robots fault how she is. I'd say Giskard is one of the more pure examples from Asimov because it could make choices beyond it's programming. And those choices were for the well being of humans it loved. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 1:28 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Where does a robot engender fear and aprehension? Droid is a play on google's OS name, not motorola's. An android is defined as a robotic automaton, specifically a robot that takes on human form and functionality, a la the humanoid destroyer depicted in the Terminator movie series or the metal woman in Metropolis, or those in the Will Smith movie, the title of which currently escapes me. Androids are not normally considered as warm and fuzzy robots that do good. In stories, they typically exist to wreak havoc upon the human populous. I think that type of imagery works well in the United States, particularly since we are engaged in the war without end, or so we have been told. Thus, we saw the original Droid ads drawing upon that name as well as drawing upon metal machines of destruction to sell that product. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Facebook TOS and Jason Calacanis
The following is an excerpt from Jason Calacanis's newest email about the recent change in Facebook TOS. If you are a FB user, you may want to read it. In this case, if you simply click through the windows you've exposed all of your private Facebook information, including comments, friends, pictures and status updates, to everyone. In other words clicking through changes everything in Facebook terms--unlike every other license or update screen you've experienced in your life. I'm sorry, what the frack just happened? I turned over my friend list, photos and status updates to everyone in the world? Why on earth would anyone do that with their Facebook page? The entire purpose of Facebook since inception has been to share your information with a small group of people in your private network. Everyone knows that and everyone expects that. In fact, Facebook's success is largely based on the face that people feel save putting their private information on Facebook. When you do get to the second page a series of confusing radio buttons default--yes defaults--to giving everyone access to your social graph. Wow. I've been using the internet since before images were supported. I've been a member of every social network since Six Degrees and Ryze, almost a decade before Facebook became available to the public, and I was confused by their settings page. An average user, certainly, has no idea what is going on by these changes. So why is Facebook trying to trick their users? Simple: search results. Facebook is trying to dupe hundreds of millions of users they've spent years attracting into exposing their data for Facebook's personal gain: pageviews. Yes, Facebook is tricking us into exposing all our items so that those personal items get indexed in search engines--including Facebook's--in order to drive more traffic to Facebook. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Users or Programs?
Hi all, Related to my previous question about swapping boot drives, I suspect I am going to bite the bullet and build in time to do a re-install and not try to band-aid it all. Which leads me to another question. My Win 7 machine will have at least 3 users on it (me, wife, daughter). Is there a preferred order to installing programs vs. users? In the past in Vista and even in XP, I found that only a few well written programs actually ASK if you want it installed for jsut you or for all users. Many of the programs I install are only for my use and don't need to clutter up everyone else's desktop or start menu. But try as I might, I usually find that most programs get installed for all. Then if someone removes the icon from their desktop, it disappears from mine as well... So, I was thinking this time to set up all the program when I am the ONLY user, and then to set up the other two user accounts at the end. But if I do that, will they still have access to the subset of programs that they do use? Really the crux of this is how to install programs selectively for some users but not all? Michael * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Users or Programs?
Interesting dilemma. I can't imagine why them deleting a shortcut from their desktop would affect your desktop. Or whatever menus you're using to run the apps. Much more annoying to me is when an app asks if I want to install an icon to my desktop and I forget I had to use the elevated admin account to install the app, so the icon goes off to poor fictional admin's desktop, but not mine! On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Michael Wosnick mwosn...@rogers.com wrote: In the past in Vista and even in XP, I found that only a few well written programs actually ASK if you want it installed for jsut you or for all users. Many of the programs I install are only for my use and don't need to clutter up everyone else's desktop or start menu. But try as I might, I usually find that most programs get installed for all. Then if someone removes the icon from their desktop, it disappears from mine as well... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Users or Programs?
I think it's because (by default?) it gets installed in the all users desktop folder so the icon is not in my desktop folder per se. When it gets deleted by one of the family, it gets deleted from the common folder. So, I figure I should be able to move it from the common folder to the specific user folder but for the life of me that simple task seems to not go well or easily, at least not in my experience. So I want to install in the correct place from the get-go. = From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:27:53 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Users or Programs? Interesting dilemma. I can't imagine why them deleting a shortcut from their desktop would affect your desktop. Or whatever menus you're using to run the apps. Much more annoying to me is when an app asks if I want to install an icon to my desktop and I forget I had to use the elevated admin account to install the app, so the icon goes off to poor fictional admin's desktop, but not mine! On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Michael Wosnick mwosn...@rogers.com wrote: In the past in Vista and even in XP, I found that only a few well written programs actually ASK if you want it installed for jsut you or for all users. Many of the programs I install are only for my use and don't need to clutter up everyone else's desktop or start menu. But try as I might, I usually find that most programs get installed for all. Then if someone removes the icon from their desktop, it disappears from mine as well... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Users or Programs?
An interesting note: Win7 has moved this to C:\Users\Public\Desktop. Anyway, I'm unaware of a method to automatically redirect a shortcut from the public desktop to your own. It wouldn't affect me for a few reasons. First, I would just replace the shortcut as soon as I found it missing, probably via the SendTo context menu, likely without even thinking about it. Second, since Vista I've used ObjectDock to arrange my apps into 5 tabs (kind of like one could do in WinXP). Lastly, the five apps I use for a work project are all set to launch simultaneously via Macro Express when I press ctrl+alt+v. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Michael Wosnick mwosn...@rogers.com wrote: I think it's because (by default?) it gets installed in the all users desktop folder so the icon is not in my desktop folder per se. When it gets deleted by one of the family, it gets deleted from the common folder. So, I figure I should be able to move it from the common folder to the specific user folder but for the life of me that simple task seems to not go well or easily, at least not in my experience. So I want to install in the correct place from the get-go. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] fone gps trouble
Got a great Motorola Surf a3100 and put in 16gb microSDhc card and installed motonav (destinator) .but when I put the maps in, says they are not registered .saw where some say to use a patcher which I did (patches maps) .didn't help .ideas? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] fone gps trouble
Are you having GPS trouble or Application trouble? I know for android and WM you can download apps that just basically check your GPS status, how many sats you are connected to etc. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:55 PM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: Got a great Motorola Surf a3100 and put in 16gb microSDhc card and installed motonav (destinator) .but when I put the maps in, says they are not registered .saw where some say to use a patcher which I did (patches maps) .didn't help .ideas? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Bad Euphemisms [was: Maybe, maybe not was: The Cloud stole her data...]
This is a very misleading subject line, as we have no evidence or indication that this data was stored in a cloud. Thus we also have no evidence it was a failure of cloud storage that caused information loss. I just worry a couple of the luddites on the list will actually reference this event in the future. Remember that poor lady that lost her entire classmates.com account to a cloud?. The cloud is such a bad euphemism that you can't even define it, yet you use it often and blame others for misinterpreting it [e.g., not agreeing with you]. Maybe that's because it's so /nebulous/. Is the cloud online or remote storage or in an unidentified location only accessed through a web site about which you know little, or is the cloud a euphemism for describing a remote storage system that you don't understand? Now, why do you think that something that's stored remotely through an Internet site isn't in that big cloud when it's in remote servers on the Internet, a.k.a. 'cloud'? And when that data is removed it's not lost in the cloud? Call it what it is. Don't use a bad euphemism when a perfectly good word or description is already available--and easy to say, write and spell. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Users or Programs?
Quoting Michael Wosnick mwosn...@rogers.com: Hi all, Related to my previous question about swapping boot drives, I suspect I am going to bite the bullet and build in time to do a re-install and not try to band-aid it all. Which leads me to another question. My Win 7 machine will have at least 3 users on it (me, wife, daughter). Is there a preferred order to installing programs vs. users? In the past in Vista and even in XP, I found that only a few well written programs actually ASK if you want it installed for jsut you or for all users. Many of the programs I install are only for my use and don't need to clutter up everyone else's desktop or start menu. But try as I might, I usually find that most programs get installed for all. Then if someone removes the icon from their desktop, it disappears from mine as well... So, I was thinking this time to set up all the program when I am the ONLY user, and then to set up the other two user accounts at the end. But if I do that, will they still have access to the subset of programs that they do use? Really the crux of this is how to install programs selectively for some users but not all? You should be able to move all the desktop icons from the All Users folder to your own folder in Windows Explorer. Like Tony said, they'll be in C:\Users\user name\Desktop. Just move whatever you want for yourself to your folder and leave the common programs in the All Users folder. The question is, what did they do with the Start Menu folders? Ahh. The Google knows. It's in C:\Program Data\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu, but you need to unhide hidden folders to see it. It looks, though, like you can't separate into individual start menus per user. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
Yes, you can boot from an external drive, but that's not what he's asking. It's what he needs to do, but didn't state it. With a loaner computer, there's no reason to bother to switch the hard drive when you can plug in an external, possibly bare drive for a week or so until the right computer arrives. Easy. I can boot from a flash drive on my Mac. That's easier. Might work with Windows? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
* What's the usefulness of the Apple menu bar that morphs with each application and leaves apps running and consuming memory and file locking in place when you are done with the program but unknowingly only close the app window. You have to be an experienced user to avoid the complications unnecessarily and clumsily caused by the archaic menu bar design. First time I used Vista, I couldn't find menus in most of the programs. Then I hit the ALT key and the menus appeared--JUST LIKE IN *DOS*. Now THAT'S really archaic. Apple menus change because the apps have different purposes. Different menus are good. Fitting square pegs into round holes as a menu metaphor is pointless. It's more efficient for workflow to leave programs open in the background to go back and forth even where windows aren't always open. I usually have five or six programs running and use them all. No need to close and reopen programs that are being used most of the time anyway, unless you don't care about wasting time--that's just bad design. My Mac has enough memory and a fast processor to handle the traffic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
