Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Chris, Knife the baby. Was a direct quote from Bill Gates, who said it when a startup told him they would not agree to a purchase offer from M$. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Doesn't justify how they got that money. And Gates goes from Knife the baby to savior... Knife the baby??! Good Lord, he must be doing something I haven't heard about. He's a war profiteer, maybe? He's been selling munitions to terrorists? Peddling tainted infant formula to Third World countries? Selling cars that he knows to be unsafe at any speed? Charging exorbitant rents for rat-infested tenements and kicking orphans out onto the street? Do you actually picture the guy like he's in some flickering silent movie, twirling his mustaches and tying Nell to the railroad track? Come on. He made an OS you don't like, and his company has engaged in some aggressive and occasionally questionable business practices that aren't significantly different from what thousands of other businesses have done--or would if they could. There aren't any dead babies. A little perspective would be nice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Actually knife the baby came from Tevanian in court, he said it in regards to Quicktime. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Chris, Knife the baby. Was a direct quote from Bill Gates, who said it when a startup told him they would not agree to a purchase offer from M$. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Doesn't justify how they got that money. And Gates goes from Knife the baby to savior... Knife the baby??! Good Lord, he must be doing something I haven't heard about. He's a war profiteer, maybe? He's been selling munitions to terrorists? Peddling tainted infant formula to Third World countries? Selling cars that he knows to be unsafe at any speed? Charging exorbitant rents for rat-infested tenements and kicking orphans out onto the street? Do you actually picture the guy like he's in some flickering silent movie, twirling his mustaches and tying Nell to the railroad track? Come on. He made an OS you don't like, and his company has engaged in some aggressive and occasionally questionable business practices that aren't significantly different from what thousands of other businesses have done--or would if they could. There aren't any dead babies. A little perspective would be nice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
On Feb 8, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Chris, Knife the baby. Was a direct quote from Bill Gates, who said it when a startup told him they would not agree to a purchase offer from M$. Why are you so surprised? Even Robert Mugabe, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Il-sung, and Omar al-Bashir have devoted fans. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
As I said, I'm aware of the quote (and it wasn't Gates who said it, it was an Apple VP). My point was that you try to equate selling software with war profiteering such. I obviously didn't pick the best part of your message to quote. Chris, Knife the baby. Was a direct quote from Bill Gates, who said it when a startup told him they would not agree to a purchase offer from M$. Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Chris, Knife the baby. Was a direct quote from Bill Gates, who said it when a startup told him they would not agree to a purchase offer from M$. Why are you so surprised? Even Robert Mugabe, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Il-sung, and Omar al-Bashir have devoted fans. So, the simple fact that it was NOT Gates who said this is of no relevance. Acknowledging that it was an Apple guy, not an MS guy, would interfere too much with MS-bashing. Can't have that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Of yours? Stewart At 10:25 AM 2/8/2010, you wrote: Why are you so surprised? Even Robert Mugabe, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Il-sung, and Omar al-Bashir have devoted fans. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
On Feb 8, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: So, the simple fact that it was NOT Gates who said this is of no relevance. Acknowledging that it was an Apple guy, not an MS guy, would interfere too much with MS-bashing. Can't have that. Not that the facts have anything to do with what Chris espouses... UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Plaintiff, vs. MICROSOFT CORPORATION, Defendant. COURT'S FINDINGS OF FACT 106. In their discussions with Apple, Microsoft's representatives made it clear that, if Apple continued to market multimedia playback software for Windows 95 that presented a platform for content development, then Microsoft would enter the authoring business to ensure that those writing multimedia content for Windows 95 concentrated on Microsoft's APIs instead of Apple's. The Microsoft representatives further stated that, if Microsoft was compelled to develop and market authoring tools in competition with Apple, the technologies provided in those tools might very well be inconsistent with those provided by Apple's tools. Finally, the Microsoft executives warned, Microsoft would invest whatever resources were necessary to ensure that developers used its tools; its investment would not be constrained by the fact that authoring software generated only modest revenue. http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Chris Dunford Knife the baby??! Good Lord, he must be doing something I haven't heard about. He's a war profiteer, maybe? He's been selling munitions to terrorists? snip This is a reference from the antitrust trial. See http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CGN/is_3533/ai_53185748/ for ... the details. Yes, I know. My point was that Gates was being explicitly compared to people who made the money they gave away from war profiteering and the like. Gates sells computer software. I think this is more about market control than a free market for software. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly On a clear disk you can seek forever * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Doesn't justify how they got that money. And Gates goes from Knife the baby to savior... Knife the baby??! Good Lord, he must be doing something I haven't heard about. He's a war profiteer, maybe? He's been selling munitions to terrorists? Peddling tainted infant formula to Third World countries? Selling cars that he knows to be unsafe at any speed? Charging exorbitant rents for rat-infested tenements and kicking orphans out onto the street? Do you actually picture the guy like he's in some flickering silent movie, twirling his mustaches and tying Nell to the railroad track? Come on. He made an OS you don't like, and his company has engaged in some aggressive and occasionally questionable business practices that aren't significantly different from what thousands of other businesses have done--or would if they could. There aren't any dead babies. A little perspective would be nice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Chris Dunford Doesn't justify how they got that money. And Gates goes from Knife the baby to savior... Knife the baby??! Good Lord, he must be doing something I haven't heard about. He's a war profiteer, maybe? He's been selling munitions to terrorists? snip This is a reference from the antitrust trial. See http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CGN/is_3533/ai_53185748/ for ... the details. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
There aren't any dead babies. A little perspective would be nice. It isn't as bad as it looks. It's an OS, not a war crime. Sure, a lot of people don't like it. A lot of people don't like a lot of things. That doesn't invalidate Windows. As far as the strategies, that's business. Why agonize over something you can't do anything about. The bottom line is that the OS does, with some tweaking, the task. It may not be elegant but it does the job. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Knife the baby??! Good Lord, he must be doing something I haven't heard about. He's a war profiteer, maybe? He's been selling munitions to terrorists? snip This is a reference from the antitrust trial. See http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CGN/is_3533/ai_53185748/ for ... the details. Yes, I know. My point was that Gates was being explicitly compared to people who made the money they gave away from war profiteering and the like. Gates sells computer software. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
What's wrong with making a buck off of a war, people do this. I'm afraid you haven't got the message. I know there's a lot of great companies that have done this. Bell Labs, for one. Messerschmitt for another. Mitsubishi. Ford. General Motors. Name the ones that haven't profited from war. It's hard to do. They ALL make money from death and destruction. Luckily our guys may have saved more lives overall. But listen to me, Daddy Warbucks, it ain't a free ride. There's an open market for souls on this planet and corporations are the biggest whores on the block. Sorry for the imagery. I wish I could call it another way but I can't. As far as Bill Gates, the court finds him not guilty. Complicit enabling is not a crime, * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Quoting Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com: They too gave away much of their questionable gains to great causes. A cleansing experience, I guess. Doesn't justify how they got that money. And Gates goes from Knife the baby to savior... I thought Balmer was the baby knifer. No? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Ballmer was still a mass of pimples when Bill made Knife the baby a notable quote, but SB learned at the feet of the knife-master, Mr. Gates. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Reid Katan Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:03 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it Quoting Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com: They too gave away much of their questionable gains to great causes. A cleansing experience, I guess. Doesn't justify how they got that money. And Gates goes from Knife the baby to savior... I thought Balmer was the baby knifer. No? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Yes, Gates and his backers make the biggest philanthropy ever. Reminds me of the big capitalists like Andrew Carnegie and Mellon. They too gave away much of their questionable gains to great causes. A cleansing experience, I guess. Doesn't justify how they got that money. And Gates goes from Knife the baby to savior... Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:34 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Wow. No, really...WOW. He could be saving 8 million children and the mac fan bois are crying about a computer virus. I think that Gates, and I believe he is the biggest philanthropist in the United States, just met with Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi (sp?) over in Italy and wound up getting some mention in the Italian press by essentially scolding Italy for having the smallest portion of its GNP going to help the poor in foreign countries. Gates is apparently on a world tour to promote and encourage relatively rich nations to come to the aid of others in the world who are in trouble and need help. So, if he is a thief, and to an extent ripping off those wealthy enough to be able afford computers, maybe in a way he is modern day Robin Hood? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Schmidt, Paul paul.schm...@ssa.govwrote: Not on this scale, but the Newman Foundation seems to do pretty good too. FYI You got sent to spam in my gmail with a big red warning that you may not be who you claim to be. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/press-releases/Pages/decade-of-vaccines-wec-announcement-100129.aspx Pledges 10 Billion dollars to vaccines, could save as many as 8 million kids. Has anyone ever even come close to doing this much good with their money? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
On Jan 29, 2010, at 10:33 AM, mike wrote: Has anyone ever even come close to doing this much good with their money? It is my and your money money. We were cheated out of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
I knew Tom would be the first to complain about saving kids. BTW, it's not YOUR money or MINE...it's HIS...you gave it to him if you bought an MS product, he didn't take it. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:02 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2010, at 10:33 AM, mike wrote: Has anyone ever even come close to doing this much good with their money? It is my and your money money. We were cheated out of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Not on this scale, but the Newman Foundation seems to do pretty good too. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:33 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it http://www.gatesfoundation.org/press-releases/Pages/decade-of-vaccines-w ec-announcement-100129.aspx Pledges 10 Billion dollars to vaccines, could save as many as 8 million kids. Has anyone ever even come close to doing this much good with their money? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Too bad Gates didn't spend some of that money ten years ago to fight computer viruses' ability to attack Windows. He made that money selling Windows; a virus magnet. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of tjpa Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:03 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it On Jan 29, 2010, at 10:33 AM, mike wrote: Has anyone ever even come close to doing this much good with their money? It is my and your money money. We were cheated out of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Wow. No, really...WOW. He could be saving 8 million children and the mac fan bois are crying about a computer virus. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Too bad Gates didn't spend some of that money ten years ago to fight computer viruses' ability to attack Windows. He made that money selling Windows; a virus magnet. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of tjpa Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:03 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it On Jan 29, 2010, at 10:33 AM, mike wrote: Has anyone ever even come close to doing this much good with their money? It is my and your money money. We were cheated out of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:34 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Wow. No, really...WOW. He could be saving 8 million children and the mac fan bois are crying about a computer virus. I think that Gates, and I believe he is the biggest philanthropist in the United States, just met with Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi (sp?) over in Italy and wound up getting some mention in the Italian press by essentially scolding Italy for having the smallest portion of its GNP going to help the poor in foreign countries. Gates is apparently on a world tour to promote and encourage relatively rich nations to come to the aid of others in the world who are in trouble and need help. So, if he is a thief, and to an extent ripping off those wealthy enough to be able afford computers, maybe in a way he is modern day Robin Hood? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
