Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-29 Thread gerald
then shop Costco or BJ's.  they are so much better.

i think you will have much difficulty living and shopping in USA and not 
finding the same porblems.

what percentage of your beloved MAC products are produced offshore, by slave 
labor?

At 11:49 PM 1/28/2009, you wrote:
b_s-wilk wrote:
 I don't shop at Sam's club, since it's owned by evil trolls.
?
Please elucidate. 

Sam's Club is owned by Walmart. Since Sam Walton died Walmart has been the 
epitome of a bad neighbor. They get tax breaks from local communities, often 
paying no local tax, sell products below cost until the competition goes out 
of business, mislabel products as 'made in US' when they're imported [not from 
US territories either], make employees work off the clock, fire employees who 
want to have a union, and underpay their employees so badly that many have to 
apply for food stamps and state health care programs.

Worst, the Waltons, Alice Walton in particular, has been spending $millions 
for lobbying to repeal the estate tax so they can keep all of their +$80 
billions and not pay for the resources that gave Sam Walton the opportunity to 
build his company in the first place.

Sorry, Stewart, et al, that you don't have choices where you live. Sometimes 
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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
You know, I really wonder how I seem to stay profitable and
have zero employee turnover.  I really ought to get into a line
of work that doesn't really need all these highly skilled career
professionals that I'm competing for.

A couple of years ago I listened to an interview with the president of 
BJ's on this topic. They are in a similar business to Sam's/WalMart, but 
have a very different business model in regards to their employees. BJ's 
managers concluded that paying better wages and taking better care of 
employees would more than pay for itself in higher productivity from 
lower turnover. He sounded very much like you, wondering about 
Sam's/WalMart very different decision.

We see decisions like this all the time in business. 

Circuit City fired all their experienced staff a little over a year ago. 
I opined here that this would lead to their downfall. It did.

Some managers even think that saving a few $100 on cheap PCs instead of 
getting highly-productive Macs is good management. Hard to believe, but 
true.

It does seem to work for WalMart. To understand why you need to look more 
broadly. WalMart is profiting from loopholes in the system. They 
aggressively shift costs to the government and local communities. It is 
sort of like the economic equivalent of pollution. The reason pollution 
pays is that the polluter is not made to pay the full cost of their 
actions. The community pays. The polluter profits.


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[CGUYS] Slave labor, was Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-29 Thread One Man
What percentage of everything you consume is produced offshore by slave labor 
?

What do you think your Nikes (anywhere) and Kathy Lee Gifford $20 skirts 
(Walmart) would cost without it?  Would you be willing to pay the true cost 
of such items when made by well-paid workers?

Clearly, you've never been in Asia, where slave labor provides money to 
families who would otherwise lack it or otherwise starve or sell their children 
into the sex trade of the slums as an alternative.

 what percentage of your beloved MAC products are produced
 offshore, by slave labor?


  


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Re: [CGUYS] Slave labor, was Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-29 Thread gerald

Clearly, you've never been in Asia, where slave labor provides money to 
families who would otherwise lack it or otherwise starve or sell their 
children into the sex trade of the slums as an alternative.

i do believe tom's neocon would want to know what was wrong with that picture, 
and could not the family still make product, and sell the hotties into sex 
trade.  

that was the business of Jack Abromov  and The Hammer  deLay.  dig around a 
bit on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_Islands

Marianahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_Islands Islands work practices. 


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Re: [CGUYS] Slave labor, was Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-29 Thread gerald
At 12:53 PM 1/29/2009, you wrote:
What percentage of everything you consume is produced offshore by slave 
labor ?

excluding food(we eat a lot of food from mexico and south america) and wine, i 
would guess well over 50%, and maybe even over 75%.

last i heard, japan and korea allowed most all of a product to be built in se 
asia or eastern africa and still get a made in japan/korea label.  almost 
anything smaller than an automobile is made with slave labor. 


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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Nice shot just wish there was one close by.  There isn't so I visit 
with the trolls.


Stewart


At 04:40 PM 1/28/2009, you wrote:
Costco business membership is $100. You get rebates on purchases. 
With the regular memberships at Costco and BJs, there's good prices 
but no rebates. Sometimes it's worth it to pay more to get more. I 
don't shop at Sam's club, since it's owned by evil trolls.


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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-28 Thread MrMike6by9
Slight correction, with the combined Costco membership/American Express
charge card, you do get rebates for charged purchased at Costco with the
regular [Gold Star] membership. The business account isn't the same.

YMMV

 Costco business membership is $100. You get rebates on purchases. With
 the regular memberships at Costco and BJs, there's good prices but no
 rebates. Sometimes it's worth it to pay more to get more. I don't shop
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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-28 Thread Robert

b_s-wilk wrote:

 I don't shop at Sam's club, since it's owned by evil trolls.

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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-28 Thread Tom Piwowar
  I don't shop at Sam's club, since it's owned by evil trolls.
Please elucidate.

Walmart. The folks who shipped all those US jobs to China.


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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-28 Thread katan
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:21:36 -0500, Robert wrote:

b_s-wilk wrote:
  I don't shop at Sam's club, since it's owned by evil trolls.
? 

Please elucidate. 

Evil Troll Wal*Mart and Sams*Club are owned by the same Evil-Doers.

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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-28 Thread b_s-wilk

b_s-wilk wrote:

 I don't shop at Sam's club, since it's owned by evil trolls.


?
Please elucidate. 


Sam's Club is owned by Walmart. Since Sam Walton died Walmart has been 
the epitome of a bad neighbor. They get tax breaks from local 
communities, often paying no local tax, sell products below cost until 
the competition goes out of business, mislabel products as 'made in US' 
when they're imported [not from US territories either], make employees 
work off the clock, fire employees who want to have a union, and 
underpay their employees so badly that many have to apply for food 
stamps and state health care programs.


Worst, the Waltons, Alice Walton in particular, has been spending 
$millions for lobbying to repeal the estate tax so they can keep all of 
their +$80 billions and not pay for the resources that gave Sam Walton 
the opportunity to build his company in the first place.


Sorry, Stewart, et al, that you don't have choices where you live. 
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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-28 Thread Tom Piwowar
To compensate for the risk I would want a really big discount. I bet they 
won't be offering anything that big.

Every time I checked Circuit City prices against others I found Circuit 
City (and Best Buy too) were much too high. Even adding shipping costs 
for a large TV I saved $100s by shopping on the internet. So be sure to 
do your research.

Often liquidators will haul in all kinds of junk to unload on 
bargain-crazed consumers. With TVs it is often hard to tell exactly what 
you are buying. Every brand has many models and stores like Circuit City 
sometimes get their own model numbers so it is hard to compare.

*RCA tv from the 60s that was hand-me-down seems to have finally died, just
in time for me to consider buying a new, HD-ready tv.  Someone suggested I
might get a deal at Circuit City but wonder if it would be too much of a
gamble if something goes wrong and all sales are final.  Anyone here been
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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-28 Thread Eric S. Sande
They get tax breaks from local communities, often paying no local tax, sell 
products below cost until the competition goes out of
business, mislabel products as 'made in US' when they're imported [not from 
US territories either], make employees work off the clock,
fire employees who want to have a union, and underpay their employees so 
badly that many have to apply for food stamps and state health care 
programs.


Wow, how do they do that?  All of my employees are forced to
pay union dues, are given no choice about full medical care,
pensions, educational benefits, and have guaranteed no layoff
contracts.  I also make them comply with OSHA standards and
cruelly pay for their educations and in fact I force them to sit
through required professional training throughout their careers.

I personally supervise their professional development and on
numerous occasions make them do stuff like take long,
onerous breaks at high class restaurants to eat lunch at my
expense.

Even though they cry for more I never let them work for more
than 37.5 hours a week, except in cases where they bend my
arm, and then I'm more than likely to double their wages (which
are extremely high to begin with).

Occasionally Ben-Hur's galley has to get up to ramming speed,
but that's where the training and loyalty pays off.  I'd like to see
how they do that at Wal-Mart.

Every now and then I compel them to accept presents.

Even worse, I make it a point to torture them by accomodating
their personal lives and maintaining a flexible attitude, which I
know is merely an exhibition of weakness.

You know, I really wonder how I seem to stay profitable and
have zero employee turnover.  I really ought to get into a line
of work that doesn't really need all these highly skilled career
professionals that I'm competing for.

I guess Wal-Mart can make it work, after a fashion, but my
business model is different.  Anyone that deliver the kind of
professional levels of expertise and reliability that I'm looking
for is welcome to come and compete for the jobs that I
probably don't have openings for once every five years or so.

Although I usually replace due to promotions, not hiring.

I am going to be looking for education, experience, security
clearances, long resumes, and suchlike.  I haven't got the
budget or the headcount to do interns anymore.

What disturbs me is that there doesn't appear to be an entry
level middle sort of job anymore.  I started as an operator
at the phone company, but I started with a degree in psychology
and considerable grad school.  I knew that was equivalent to
working in the mailroom  but there was a path to advancement.

I'd say that the economy was pretty bad back then, I did some
crap jobs too and it's easy to say a job sucks until you haven't
got one.  That is what Walmart counts on, they'll AWAYS
have a work force no matter what.

I'm in a position now to not operate that way, but I wasn't
always.

I don't care for Wal-Mart, and I won't buy there, but it is what
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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-27 Thread gerald
i bought one of these:

http://www.buy.com/retail/usersearchresults.asp?querytype=homequ=samsung+dlpqxt=homedisplay=col

comes with complete mfgr's warranty.  it was airfreighted from CA.  arrived in 
about 2 days.  61  LED DLP.  the price is $1200 compared to $2000 at best buy. 
 i am pretty certain that it is being sold from a warehouse front of samsung.  
buy.com is just a larger ordering house.

if you can live with the small lump in the back, this is a good option to 
plasma.  
standard dlp goes through the light source in 1000(?) hrs.  this is not much if 
you walk away from the TV and leave it on for 10 hrs a day.(3 months!!).  the 
leds last much longer, i have not checked as to how long.  this tv is very 
bright.

At 08:58 PM 1/26/2009, you wrote:
*RCA tv from the 60s that was hand-me-down seems to have finally died, just
in time for me to consider buying a new, HD-ready tv.  Someone suggested I
might get a deal at Circuit City but wonder if it would be too much of a
gamble if something goes wrong and all sales are final.  Anyone here been
snapping up any bargains there?

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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City? / No Savings at Circuit City Liquidation Sale

2009-01-27 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
As far as I know these sales are not administered by the Store 
themselves but an outside agency whose job it is to get the biggest 
bucks possible to pay off creditors.


Stewart

At 09:25 AM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
No savings at CC Liquidation Sales. When Tower Records liquidated, I 
found the same.


From the Washington Post. *http://tinyurl.com/cmous4

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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-27 Thread Ranbo
Is that $100 per year?  Don't live very close to Costco and don't spend that
much per year, so may not make sense for me to get business account anyway.

Thanks for your and everyone else's suggestions.  Pretty definitely going to
stay away from CC liquidation, unless it's near the end of the liquidation
period (ends sometime in March) and they still have tvs, so have to mark
them way, way down.  Nice fantasy, anyway.

BTW, what's the weather doing up there today?

Randall

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:09 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:


 Did you find any particular online sites you found good TV deals on?


 Don't buy a TV online. Buy it in a store. That is, unless you will be home
 when it's delivered, and the delivery truck driver will wait while you
 unpack the TV to test it. Many online sites won't take TVs back once the box
 is opened. If they do, you'll have to pay shipping.

 In 2007 we joined Costco to buy two TVs. We got a business membership with
 an American Express card. Along with the 37 and 42 HDTVs, we got other
 good deals. Both Costco and AmEx give cash rebates on purchases to business
 members. Membership cost $100. Our rebate for the year was $148, plus the
 $10 cash incentive for joining in the first place. We bought one TV on sale
 and the other was a markdown. No rebates with a regular membership.

 A year later, in October, a friend got an incredible deal on a Sharp Aquos
 HDTV at Sears. She shopped online and picked it up in the store. No
 interest, 24 months, or 10% cash rebate.

 Look for the deals in the Sunday newspapers. Consider the supermarket ads
 too. We bought a Daewoo TV at our local ShopRite store for less than $100 a
 few years ago on Black Friday. I see HDTVs there now. Does Giant or Wegman's
 sell TVs? BJs has good deals, and there was a free pass in Sunday's coupon
 flyers. Some  office, electronics or computer specialty stores have HDTVs.

 I'd start at Sears. Come on up to Delaware to buy your TV.

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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City? / No Savings at Circuit City Liquidation Sale

2009-01-27 Thread Reid Katan

Quoting John Settle john_j_set...@yahoo.com:


Sue Cubic wrote:


If I bought something under these final sale circumstances, I think  
 I'd demand to take it out of the box at the store.


Sue



No savings at CC Liquidation Sales. When Tower Records liquidated, I
found the same.


That's what I found. I went to CC in Naptown on Friday. They've got  
10% off the good stuff (stuff you'd *go* to CC to buy [TVs,  
computers, stereos]), 20% off CDs and DVDs, 30% off furniture (TV  
stands). That's not really as good as a good sale.


They had a couple of bare spots, but they had signs around proclaiming  
new merchandise arriving daily.


I suspect that when they closer to having to actually close stores  
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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City? / No Savings at Circuit City Liquidation Sale

2009-01-27 Thread gerald
i read that XXX??? liquidators bought the merchandise.  creditors are out of 
the loop.  so is CC.

At 10:26 AM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
As far as I know these sales are not administered by the Store themselves but 
an outside agency whose job it is to get the biggest bucks possible to pay off 
creditors.

Stewart

At 09:25 AM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
No savings at CC Liquidation Sales. When Tower Records liquidated, I found 
the same.

 From the Washington Post. *http://tinyurl.com/cmous4

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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-27 Thread Ranbo
61!!So what time is the Superbowl party?!  I got the beer!

Randall

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 8:36 AM, gerald ger...@slawecki.com wrote:

 i bought one of these:


 http://www.buy.com/retail/usersearchresults.asp?querytype=homequ=samsung+dlpqxt=homedisplay=col

 comes with complete mfgr's warranty.  it was airfreighted from CA.  arrived
 in about 2 days.  61  LED DLP.  the price is $1200 compared to $2000 at
 best buy.  i am pretty certain that it is being sold from a warehouse front
 of samsung.  buy.com is just a larger ordering house.

 if you can live with the small lump in the back, this is a good option to
 plasma.
 standard dlp goes through the light source in 1000(?) hrs.  this is not
 much if you walk away from the TV and leave it on for 10 hrs a day.(3
 months!!).  the leds last much longer, i have not checked as to how long.
  this tv is very bright.

 At 08:58 PM 1/26/2009, you wrote:
 *RCA tv from the 60s that was hand-me-down seems to have finally died,
 just
 in time for me to consider buying a new, HD-ready tv.  Someone suggested I
 might get a deal at Circuit City but wonder if it would be too much of a
 gamble if something goes wrong and all sales are final.  Anyone here been
 snapping up any bargains there?
 
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[CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-26 Thread Ranbo
*RCA tv from the 60s that was hand-me-down seems to have finally died, just
in time for me to consider buying a new, HD-ready tv.  Someone suggested I
might get a deal at Circuit City but wonder if it would be too much of a
gamble if something goes wrong and all sales are final.  Anyone here been
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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-26 Thread db

I  heard there weren't  so many  bargains on big ticket items.
db

Ranbo wrote:

*RCA tv from the 60s that was hand-me-down seems to have finally died, just
in time for me to consider buying a new, HD-ready tv.  Someone suggested I
might get a deal at Circuit City but wonder if it would be too much of a
gamble if something goes wrong and all sales are final.  Anyone here been
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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-26 Thread Ranbo
Thanks,

Did you find any particular online sites you found good TV deals on?

Randall

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 To compensate for the risk I would want a really big discount. I bet they
 won't be offering anything that big.

 Every time I checked Circuit City prices against others I found Circuit
 City (and Best Buy too) were much too high. Even adding shipping costs
 for a large TV I saved $100s by shopping on the internet. So be sure to
 do your research.

 Often liquidators will haul in all kinds of junk to unload on
 bargain-crazed consumers. With TVs it is often hard to tell exactly what
 you are buying. Every brand has many models and stores like Circuit City
 sometimes get their own model numbers so it is hard to compare.

 *RCA tv from the 60s that was hand-me-down seems to have finally died,
 just
 in time for me to consider buying a new, HD-ready tv.  Someone suggested I
 might get a deal at Circuit City but wonder if it would be too much of a
 gamble if something goes wrong and all sales are final.  Anyone here been
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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-26 Thread Sue Cubic

At 08:58 PM 01/26/2009 -0500, Ranbo wrote

*RCA tv from the 60s that was hand-me-down seems to have finally died, just
in time for me to consider buying a new, HD-ready tv.  Someone suggested I
might get a deal at Circuit City but wonder if it would be too much of a
gamble if something goes wrong and all sales are final.  Anyone here been
snapping up any bargains there?


Our local CC store has no real bargains.  Best I saw was 10% off a few 
TV's, nothing off any computers yet.


All sales final worries me a lot.  When I bought a new TV (not from CC) 
last spring, I got it home and found the screen broken right in the 
center!  There was no damage on the box.  Some of the packing material was 
missing from the box, but the box was stapled shut as if it had never been 
opened.


If I bought something under these final sale circumstances, I think I'd 
demand to take it out of the box at the store.


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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-26 Thread Sue Cubic

At 09:12 PM 01/26/2009 -0600, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote
You have every right to, but also understand all manufacturers warranties 
are still valid.


Do you think a manufacturer would stand behind damage most likely caused in 
the store's warehouse?  They might have in my case, as it was pretty 
obvious that all of the packing material wasn't in the box.  Styro blocks 
were along one side, but not the other.  I saw the breakage before ever 
taking it out of the box, so back to the store it went!


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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-26 Thread Ranbo
Yeah, but imagine it can be quite a hassle, and maybe expense, to try to
deal with the manufacturer if you get home with a defective item.  Think I'm
(and Sue's story) is talking me out of the CC option.

Randall

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall 
popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:

 You have every right to, but also understand all manufacturers warranties
 are still valid.

 Stewart


 At 09:01 PM 1/26/2009, you wrote:

  Our local CC store has no real bargains.  Best I saw was 10% off a few
 TV's, nothing off any computers yet.

 All sales final worries me a lot.  When I bought a new TV (not from CC)
 last spring, I got it home and found the screen broken right in the center!
  There was no damage on the box.  Some of the packing material was missing
 from the box, but the box was stapled shut as if it had never been opened.

 If I bought something under these final sale circumstances, I think I'd
 demand to take it out of the box at the store.

 Sue


 Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
 mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
 Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
 Ozark, AL  SL 82



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Re: [CGUYS] Buying tv from Circuit City?

2009-01-26 Thread b_s-wilk


Did you find any particular online sites you found good TV deals on?


Don't buy a TV online. Buy it in a store. That is, unless you will be 
home when it's delivered, and the delivery truck driver will wait while 
you unpack the TV to test it. Many online sites won't take TVs back once 
the box is opened. If they do, you'll have to pay shipping.


In 2007 we joined Costco to buy two TVs. We got a business membership 
with an American Express card. Along with the 37 and 42 HDTVs, we got 
other good deals. Both Costco and AmEx give cash rebates on purchases to 
business members. Membership cost $100. Our rebate for the year was 
$148, plus the $10 cash incentive for joining in the first place. We 
bought one TV on sale and the other was a markdown. No rebates with a 
regular membership.


A year later, in October, a friend got an incredible deal on a Sharp 
Aquos HDTV at Sears. She shopped online and picked it up in the store. 
No interest, 24 months, or 10% cash rebate.


Look for the deals in the Sunday newspapers. Consider the supermarket 
ads too. We bought a Daewoo TV at our local ShopRite store for less than 
$100 a few years ago on Black Friday. I see HDTVs there now. Does Giant 
or Wegman's sell TVs? BJs has good deals, and there was a free pass in 
Sunday's coupon flyers. Some  office, electronics or computer specialty 
stores have HDTVs.


I'd start at Sears. Come on up to Delaware to buy your TV.

Betty


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