Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
They have a bias that can be seen pretty easily. (Ask Tom about their reviews and recommendations on Computers) I think it only rational to evaluate CR based on how they rate things I do know a lot about (yes, computers). In this area their bias has been so blatent that it throws into question everything they do. I have seen them print survey statistics and then in the text state the exact opposite of what the statistics showed. I wonder about their overall quality control if they let one group of reviewers run so far amuck for so many years without getting caught. I wonder how much support they get from the Gates Foundation. Based on what I do know is true I would not trust CR's recommendations on anything. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The problem I see with CR is that they have two completely different approaches to products. One approach is to stress test products in a controlled laboratory environment, while the other is to have reviewers just play with products and report on how they liked/disliked them. If you want to find out which house paint holds up the best, CR will give you the results of their exhaustive testing. n the other hand, if you want to find out which Merlot or Chardonnay is best, maybe you should check out Food Wine Magazine. On that note, I put personal computers and software in the latter category. But I have to say that getting unbiased reviews of ANY product is a very difficult challenge, whether it be entertainment, computing, autos, photography, or even breakfast cereal. So much of the valuation of these things is a personal experience that finding universal objective measurements is close to impossible. My own approach is to try to get a sampling of various opinions and try to determine which come closest to the way I would value that product or service. For instance, I almost never change the stations on my car radio, so a complaint that the controls are difficult to operate is meaningless to me, but they could be very critical to someone who fiddles with his/her car audio constantly. Mike Tom Piwowar wrote: They have a bias that can be seen pretty easily. (Ask Tom about their reviews and recommendations on Computers) I think it only rational to evaluate CR based on how they rate things I do know a lot about (yes, computers). In this area their bias has been so blatent that it throws into question everything they do. I have seen them print survey statistics and then in the text state the exact opposite of what the statistics showed. I wonder about their overall quality control if they let one group of reviewers run so far amuck for so many years without getting caught. I wonder how much support they get from the Gates Foundation. Based on what I do know is true I would not trust CR's recommendations on anything. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
CR will give you the results of their exhaustive testing. n the other hand, if you want to find out which Merlot or Chardonnay is best, maybe you should check out Food Wine Magazine. On that note, I put personal computers and software in the latter category. I agree. I get all my computer information from Cook's magazine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
I've been a car nut all my life and been reading about cars in newspapers, Road and Track, Car and Driver, and Consumer Reports for 40 years. I've owned around 15, and driven and ridden in a couple dozen more. I'm sure many or most people disagree with me but my perception is that as far as quality and reliability goes, cars from the far east and many of the European makers are clearly better that the Americans makes. There is often talk in the media about improvements in satisfaction of American car buyers, but as far as customer surveys go, the ones I've seen still indicate that the American makers are still well behind in the satisfaction ratings. Enjoy! Tom Piwowar wrote: Please tell me where you have read that American autos are high quality. Where have you read that they are not? Should not the accuser be the one who must provide the evidence? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Alvin Auerbach wrote: ...from what I could tell. As individuals, our car yarns are anecdotes. When Consumer Reports (CR) collects all of those anecdotes, they become statistics. CR has auto test engineers who test the cars in CR's own lab and on CR's own test track. No individual can do all of that. No individual can make the sound judgement of quality and performance and reliability that CR can, using their own tests and the data gathered from their readers; and data from government and insurance industry tests. I agree. But I still take some of their ratings of products with a grain of salt. I like the Mac, but it took CR a long time to say much of anything good about Apple computers. I would not but any car that is not a station wagon. I also have never considered buying an SUV. That eliminates 95% of car models, and until recently pretty much all American cars. So I'd have to fish through a lot of their ratings to find anything to buy. I don't think CR is much effected by public opinion, but they do rate and talk about products for the mainstream public. I think they take the perspective of the mainstream public. I'm not much a mainstream guy, so again 95% of what they talk about and rate, I would never buy. I think the info CR provides is an excellent tool. You just have to use it an a way that makes it work for you. After years of subscribing to CR I finally stopped the magazine and now I just pay a small yearly fee for access to their testing and ratings on line. Jordan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
David K Watson One box has superior specs, better reviews, and higher customer satisfaction ratings. The other one is cheaper and sells more. Where do you get your figures? I looked on amazon, and the Wii had better customer satisfaction ratings there than any of the Xbox models. That also seems to be the general understanding on the tech sites I visit. Aren't the Xbox's legendary for the red ring of death? -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly The darn thing works better if you plug it in * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Aren't the Xbox's legendary for the red ring of death? There was some discussion of this. The main cause for the legendary RRODs was a bad custom IC that is no longer used. Some members here presented anecdotal evidence that there are still problems, but others (including me) had contrary anecdotal evidence. I couldn't find any press etc. indicating that it's still much of an issue. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
I think the answer to this one is similar to one I have seen for decades. YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) Consumer Reports would always knock and rate US produced Autos all the time. The only auto with high quality was made in Japan or Germany. For years now that mistaken notion has been disproven. But CR (from the last time I read it) still follows that logic. We have even seen that ugly rumor pushed on this list by everyone with respect of OS's. For me one thing might work much better than someone else. We are all unique and individuals. However tehre is always some thing (Like a Yugo or Coby) that will be panned by all. I am not sure how old my S-I-L Xbox was when it failed but I do know it failed. But down here our power system is pretty notorious for not having good clean electricity and that is one area that still will mess up anything electronic. Stewart at 12:54 PM 4/5/2009, you wrote: There was some discussion of this. The main cause for the legendary RRODs was a bad custom IC that is no longer used. Some members here presented anecdotal evidence that there are still problems, but others (including me) had contrary anecdotal evidence. I couldn't find any press etc. indicating that it's still much of an issue. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
One box has superior specs, better reviews, and higher customer satisfaction ratings. The other one is cheaper and sells more. I did not expect this to turn into a gaming discussion, but if this is the only market segment where MS might excel, so be it. Does anyone expect the OnLive Micro Console and similar server-based solutions to spell the end for products like the XBox and PS? OnLive's Game Streaming Is Trouble for Consoles Upgrades http://play.tm/wire/2415231/onlive-s-game-streaming-is-trouble-for-consoles -upgrades/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This sounds like a killer idea. Not only could it spell trouble for those but also for the larger gaming market, those of us who build our own gaming systems. I can't see ever spending 400 dollars on a console that is frozen in time when I can build my own. That said, doing what they say they are going to do is a monumental task. On top of everything else, there is the bandwith problem...are the cable companies going to just allow this kind of bandwith to go? What if they do, they make contracts with these gaming companies...then see the profit they are making off their cables and come back for more. ATT and Verizon and the cable guys already have a nice protection racket going, how will this idea fare in that market? The guys who made Crysis claim this works with their premier game...if it does, wow. A side not, this could be Apple's in into the living room. The apple tv hasn't made a dent, this could be a way for Apple to get another leg under their media chair. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: One box has superior specs, better reviews, and higher customer satisfaction ratings. The other one is cheaper and sells more. I did not expect this to turn into a gaming discussion, but if this is the only market segment where MS might excel, so be it. Does anyone expect the OnLive Micro Console and similar server-based solutions to spell the end for products like the XBox and PS? OnLive's Game Streaming Is Trouble for Consoles Upgrades http://play.tm/wire/2415231/onlive-s-game-streaming-is-trouble-for-consoles -upgrades/http://play.tm/wire/2415231/onlive-s-game-streaming-is-trouble-for-consoles%0A-upgrades/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
On top of everything else, there is the bandwith problem...are the cable companies going to just allow this kind of bandwith to go? OnLive claims to have found an ultra compressed video format so bandwidth should not be a problem, but as you say, monthly caps could be a problem for serious gamers. The FCC should start setting a standard by going after the outrageous fees being charged for SMS text messages. Step 2 would be going after Cox/Comcast's outrageous claims that transporting bits is expensive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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They need to go after every cable company that offers anyt\ype of service because what they claim and what they deliver are two different things. Stewart At 03:00 PM 4/5/2009, you wrote: OnLive claims to have found an ultra compressed video format so bandwidth should not be a problem, but as you say, monthly caps could be a problem for serious gamers. The FCC should start setting a standard by going after the outrageous fees being charged for SMS text messages. Step 2 would be going after Cox/Comcast's outrageous claims that transporting bits is expensive. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Does anyone expect the OnLive Micro Console and similar server-based solutions to spell the end for products like the XBox and PS? This could certainly be the end of consoles--IF they can deliver frames and respond to user actions fast enough. Gamers won't tolerate any significant lag, especially if there's inequality between players. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Please tell me where you have read that American autos are high quality. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I think the answer to this one is similar to one I have seen for decades. YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) Consumer Reports would always knock and rate US produced Autos all the time. The only auto with high quality was made in Japan or Germany. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That is one of the reasons Satellite modem service has not made the inroads into High speeds service (Plus their high price) too much lag in service. Stewart At 03:46 PM 4/5/2009, you wrote: This could certainly be the end of consoles--IF they can deliver frames and respond to user actions fast enough. Gamers won't tolerate any significant lag, especially if there's inequality between players. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Please tell me where you have read that American autos are high quality. Where have you read that they are not? Should not the accuser be the one who must provide the evidence? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I need to inject here. I have read some good things about American autos in places like Road Track and etc. type magazines. However I take these with a grain of salt over my personal experiences. I've owned quite a few cars over my 47 years on the planet. Some of the best ones have been American made. Some of the worst have also been American made. And the same goes for the foreign autos I've owned. I think, especially when it comes to vehicles, quality highly depends on what the user is looking for. An example would be one of my last cars. It was a Mercury Cougar, 1990 model. I got rid of it in 2007. It was a fantastic car! Comfortable as could be, even at high speeds, which it accomplished very quickly and easily. On top of that it got 25 mpg average. I replaced it when it got to the point the seals needed to be replaced. I've never had good luck with cars after this procedure. It got replaced by a 2006 Chevy Impala. So far, no complaints. By the way, I chose the Impala over the Chrysler Sebring(sp). The Chrysler, at highway speeds, was noisy as hell in the back seats. The Impala, little noise and felt more like a limo at highway speeds. I stayed away from foreign models due to cost for the size I was looking for. Sure you can get a high quality full size foreign car, but they cost twice as much, and the quality seems just about the same from what I could tell. Jeff M On Apr 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Jordan wrote: Please tell me where you have read that American autos are high quality. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I think the answer to this one is similar to one I have seen for decades. YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) Consumer Reports would always knock and rate US produced Autos all the time. The only auto with high quality was made in Japan or Germany. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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They have been putting out some very good automobiles. They rate very highly in customer satisfaction survey's. Plus I have owned a few (YMMV) and have not had problems with them. Stewart At 04:09 PM 4/5/2009, you wrote: Please tell me where you have read that American autos are high quality. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I think the answer to this one is similar to one I have seen for decades. YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) Consumer Reports would always knock and rate US produced Autos all the time. The only auto with high quality was made in Japan or Germany. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
...from what I could tell. As individuals, our car yarns are anecdotes. When Consumer Reports (CR) collects all of those anecdotes, they become statistics. CR has auto test engineers who test the cars in CR's own lab and on CR's own test track. No individual can do all of that. No individual can make the sound judgement of quality and performance and reliability that CR can, using their own tests and the data gathered from their readers; and data from government and insurance industry tests. Of course, this is all done by people, and occasionally, people make mistakes. Of course, the public has their own preferences and value judgments, but using your own criteria you can make a sound choice from the data on the cars listed by CR; both new and used. Additionally, CR anonymously purchases their cars from dealers, using ordinary folks who buy the cars in their own names. AFAIK, the auto magazines borrow cars from the manufacturers. All of the money that comes to CR, comes from their readers. AFAIK, most of the money that comes to the auto magazines, comes from their advertisers. There is apt to be very much less bias from CR than from the auto magazines. IMO, from the purchase to the publication, no one informs the public about cars as well as does Consumer Reports. Alvin On Apr 5, 2009, at 6:01 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: I stayed away from foreign models due to cost for the size I was looking for. Sure you can get a high quality full size foreign car, but they cost twice as much, and the quality seems just about the same from what I could tell. Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Where have you read that they are not? Should not the accuser be the one who must provide the evidence? OFF TOPIC -- HALT! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Do you only buy products CR recommends? Do you own anything they have given a poor rating to only to have the opposite experience? I have heard anecdotes about CR not being so unbiased. Or course those are only anecdotes. I take CR with a grain of salt. From what I've seen (just my personal opinion) they seem to give higher marks to items that are selling very well, regardless of quality. In spite of all their testing, public perception seems to bleed it's way in to their ratings. But as I said, this is my one person's personal opinion. Jeff M On Apr 5, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Alvin Auerbach wrote: ...from what I could tell. As individuals, our car yarns are anecdotes. When Consumer Reports (CR) collects all of those anecdotes, they become statistics. CR has auto test engineers who test the cars in CR's own lab and on CR's own test track. No individual can do all of that. No individual can make the sound judgement of quality and performance and reliability that CR can, using their own tests and the data gathered from their readers; and data from government and insurance industry tests. Of course, this is all done by people, and occasionally, people make mistakes. Of course, the public has their own preferences and value judgments, but using your own criteria you can make a sound choice from the data on the cars listed by CR; both new and used. Additionally, CR anonymously purchases their cars from dealers, using ordinary folks who buy the cars in their own names. AFAIK, the auto magazines borrow cars from the manufacturers. All of the money that comes to CR, comes from their readers. AFAIK, most of the money that comes to the auto magazines, comes from their advertisers. There is apt to be very much less bias from CR than from the auto magazines. IMO, from the purchase to the publication, no one informs the public about cars as well as does Consumer Reports. Alvin On Apr 5, 2009, at 6:01 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: I stayed away from foreign models due to cost for the size I was looking for. Sure you can get a high quality full size foreign car, but they cost twice as much, and the quality seems just about the same from what I could tell. Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Yes and no. They have a bias that can be seen pretty easily. (Ask Tom about their reviews and recommendations on Computers) They will gather all the data, and then when it comes to the American Automobiles they rate them lower based on their bias than a comparable foreign auto. (I used to subscribe and read it.) When it comes to appliances it tends to be much more even (There is not a lot of foreign competition on this one.) I support them and still go to them when it comes time to buy appliances etc. I just take their auto reviews with a grain of salt. Stewart At 05:46 PM 4/5/2009, you wrote: ...from what I could tell. As individuals, our car yarns are anecdotes. When Consumer Reports (CR) collects all of those anecdotes, they become statistics. CR has auto test engineers who test the cars in CR's own lab and on CR's own test track. No individual can do all of that. No individual can make the sound judgement of quality and performance and reliability that CR can, using their own tests and the data gathered from their readers; and data from government and insurance industry tests. Of course, this is all done by people, and occasionally, people make mistakes. Of course, the public has their own preferences and value judgments, but using your own criteria you can make a sound choice from the data on the cars listed by CR; both new and used. Additionally, CR anonymously purchases their cars from dealers, using ordinary folks who buy the cars in their own names. AFAIK, the auto magazines borrow cars from the manufacturers. All of the money that comes to CR, comes from their readers. AFAIK, most of the money that comes to the auto magazines, comes from their advertisers. There is apt to be very much less bias from CR than from the auto magazines. IMO, from the purchase to the publication, no one informs the public about cars as well as does Consumer Reports. Alvin Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
I dunno. As the mother of four boys that have been doing the whole game system thing since the Atari/Pong days, according to my kids, plus all of their friends for nigh on too many years to mention, our current XBox is better than anything that's come before. According to them, the XBox is far superior. Personally, I'm not real interested in the graphics, sound, or anything else that they seem to think makes it superior. After a couple of decades of being Nintendo clan, I was a bit surprised m'self...but it is what it is. Hasn't missed a beat since the original purchase. If it died tomorrow, I would have more than gotten my money's worth. PS. A lot of people make fun of us old folks that buy the WII fit. :-) Thanks, this is the same thing my kids and virtually all of their friends say. My son's opinion is that it's not even a contest. When we got the Wii (yes, for exercise), he played with it for an hour or so, said Eh, and went back to the Xbox. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
I dunno. As the mother of four boys that have been doing the whole game system thing since the Atari/Pong days, according to my kids, plus all of their friends for nigh on too many years to mention, our current XBox is better than anything that's come before. According to them, the XBox is far superior. Personally, I'm not real interested in the graphics, sound, or anything else that they seem to think makes it superior. After a couple of decades of being Nintendo clan, I was a bit surprised m'self...but it is what it is. Hasn't missed a beat since the original purchase. If it died tomorrow, I would have more than gotten my money's worth. PS. A lot of people make fun of us old folks that buy the WII fit. :-) I'm holding a Wii over my kids' heads for straight A's on the next set of report cards. They are very stoked by the idea. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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MS certainly has. Most obviously, they neglected InternetExplorer for years and are now playing catch up. Waiting years for Vista and then getting a flop is another. They are behind in cloud computing. Their search engine is a very distant third so they are really back in the pack with many little companies. I think much of their enterprise software is substandard. They make some nice mice, but they are not top drawer. XBox lost out to Wii. The Zune is a zune. Can you name something MS makes that is considered best quality in its category? I can't think of anything. I thought they were an unstoppable juggernaut? Oh, you have 2 opinions that conflict with one another. Am I surprised? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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However those IC's still fail in those units. Both my Son-in-law and his friend had theirs crash in the last 3 months. One extended warranty one not. Stewart Well, your son et al have been most unlucky. All I can say is that our anecdotal evidence is quite different from yours, and that I have not seen anything in the press about unusual failure rates in the newer boxes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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We get it, Tom. MS sucks. You said it, I didn't. It is also noteworthy that you can only dredge up one MS *product of quality* and that assertion for the XBox is questionable. You make the above point better than I ever could. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The Wii and Xbox are less competitors and more companions. The reason the Wii numbers are so high? Yes it's cool, and different and all that, but it's also a LOT of users second game machine. It was never meant to compete with the xbox or ps 3. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote: Not only that but Netflix is allowing members to use a Xbox a lot like an Apple TV. Son in Law did that and loved it. He also uses it as his DVD player, no extra equipment. By the way on a 46 TV it looks awesome. It is indeed, I've seen it. You can even use it as a receiver/DVR for over-the-air HDTV (stick a digital TV tuner in a PC, then stream the signal over the home network to the Xbox, where you use Media Extender to control playing and recording). Or watch HD movies and network TV directly off the Internet via Xbox Live Video. It's pretty cool stuff. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
The Wii and Xbox are less competitors and more companions. The reason the Wii numbers are so high? Yes it's cool, and different and all that, but it's also a LOT of users second game machine. It was never meant to compete with the xbox or ps 3. I think that's true to an extent, although I know an awful lot of families who had to make a choice between them at Christmastime. And the media do love comparing them. :) In any event, whether this is true or not, TP's statement that Xbox lost out to Wii was uninformed and rather foolish--unless he's talking about sales. But that can't be, because the question, which he himself posed, was name one thing MS makes that's best in class (not to mention that it would it invalidate his position on Mac/PC). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Now you are pushing it. Our local cable outlet does not even have over the cable Digital you must use the box that they loan you. HD? What is that? Again not even on the horizon. Seriously looking at DISH but there are some drawbacks at this point. Stewart At 10:41 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Not only that but Netflix is allowing members to use a Xbox a lot like an Apple TV. Son in Law did that and loved it. He also uses it as his DVD player, no extra equipment. By the way on a 46 TV it looks awesome. It is indeed, I've seen it. You can even use it as a receiver/DVR for over-the-air HDTV (stick a digital TV tuner in a PC, then stream the signal over the home network to the Xbox, where you use Media Extender to control playing and recording). Or watch HD movies and network TV directly off the Internet via Xbox Live Video. It's pretty cool stuff. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
As is the case with my son-in-law. Stewart At 01:41 AM 4/2/2009, you wrote: The Wii and Xbox are less competitors and more companions. The reason the Wii numbers are so high? Yes it's cool, and different and all that, but it's also a LOT of users second game machine. It was never meant to compete with the xbox or ps 3. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
Our local cable outlet does not even have over the cable Digital you must use the box that they loan you. HD? What is that? Again not even on the horizon. Seriously looking at DISH but there are some drawbacks at this point. Perhaps I should have said, ONE can even use it for HDTV rather than YOU can even use it. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Never mind my rant. Our Cable system has declared Bankruptcy and is not expected to improve or change anything for the good for sometime. The local entity is hopeful that another cable system will come into town and offer better service. Stewart At 07:10 AM 4/2/2009, you wrote: Our local cable outlet does not even have over the cable Digital you must use the box that they loan you. HD? What is that? Again not even on the horizon. Seriously looking at DISH but there are some drawbacks at this point. Perhaps I should have said, ONE can even use it for HDTV rather than YOU can even use it. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
In any event, whether this is true or not, TP's statement that Xbox lost out to Wii was uninformed and rather foolish--unless he's talking about sales. MS loses $$$ on every unit sold. What is it about losing that you don't understand? Do they lose money on every unit, but make it up in volume? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
Every once in awhile Tom does get a funny one off. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned that the xbox history of build quality isn't something to be desired also. I was in a best buy around the first xbox release and both customer trial units had red rings of death. On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: In any event, whether this is true or not, TP's statement that Xbox lost out to Wii was uninformed and rather foolish--unless he's talking about sales. MS loses $$$ on every unit sold. What is it about losing that you don't understand? Do they lose money on every unit, but make it up in volume? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
Many bit the April Fools article on M$ soliciting TARP funds... Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- In any event, whether this is true or not, TP's statement that Xbox lost out to Wii was uninformed and rather foolish--unless he's talking about sales. MS loses $$$ on every unit sold. What is it about losing that you don't understand? Do they lose money on every unit, but make it up in volume? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
In any event, whether this is true or not, TP's statement that Xbox lost out to Wii was uninformed and rather foolish--unless he's talking about sales. MS loses $$$ on every unit sold. What is it about losing that you don't understand? Do they lose money on every unit, but make it up in volume? I'll tell you what I don't understand, and that's why you state that Xbox loses to Wii on *QUALITY* and then try to defend that statement with irrelevancy about sales and profits. Can you defend your statement, or not? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned that the xbox history of build quality isn't something to be desired also. I was in a best buy around the first xbox release and both customer trial units had red rings of death. There was an issue with a custom IC that failed in the early boxes. MS switched to a different IC and fixed every box for nothing, whether it was in warranty or not. I wouldn't call that a history. But now Tom will... (Incidentally, compare MS's response with Sony's, which refused to do what MS did when under-engineered PS2 DVD drives failed en masse. They charged $129.95 to fix any unit more than 90 days old, thereby making additional profit for each failure. Ours failed on the 91st day. They eventually settled a class action suit at $25 or a free game per affected user. Thanks a lot.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
The ring of death has visited my 360 three times in 2 and a half years. M$ has gotten better in turnaround time but losing a gaming/entertainment system for weeks at a time really blowz. I personally would have liked a ps3 but the $$$ didn't make sense at the time. This IMHO is what frugality truly costs. Dictated but not read! -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dunford Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:05 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned that the xbox history of build quality isn't something to be desired also. I was in a best buy around the first xbox release and both customer trial units had red rings of death. There was an issue with a custom IC that failed in the early boxes. MS switched to a different IC and fixed every box for nothing, whether it was in warranty or not. I wouldn't call that a history. But now Tom will... (Incidentally, compare MS's response with Sony's, which refused to do what MS did when under-engineered PS2 DVD drives failed en masse. They charged $129.95 to fix any unit more than 90 days old, thereby making additional profit for each failure. Ours failed on the 91st day. They eventually settled a class action suit at $25 or a free game per affected user. Thanks a lot.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
irrelevancy about sales and profits Sales and profits are only irrelevancies when MS isn't making them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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irrelevancy about sales and profits Sales and profits are only irrelevancies when MS isn't making them. I guess that's a roundabout way of admitting that you can't defend your statement. Thanks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
The ring of death has visited my 360 three times in 2 and a half years. M$ has gotten better in turnaround time but losing a gaming/entertainment system for weeks at a time really blowz. I personally would have liked a ps3 but the $$$ didn't make sense at the time. This IMHO is what frugality truly costs. I'm sorry to hear that. I don't, however, think that this is typical. Practically everyone we knew got the RROD with the early boxes--since then, no one has. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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PC mag and several others put the failure rate as high as 33% for the 360. Arstechnica reported as high as 16% and at the time MS pledged 1 billion to fix the xbox line. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2007/07/microsoft-shares-360-defect-information-claiming-unacceptable-numbers-of-returns-and-repairs.ars On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote: I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned that the xbox history of build quality isn't something to be desired also. I was in a best buy around the first xbox release and both customer trial units had red rings of death. There was an issue with a custom IC that failed in the early boxes. MS switched to a different IC and fixed every box for nothing, whether it was in warranty or not. I wouldn't call that a history. But now Tom will... (Incidentally, compare MS's response with Sony's, which refused to do what MS did when under-engineered PS2 DVD drives failed en masse. They charged $129.95 to fix any unit more than 90 days old, thereby making additional profit for each failure. Ours failed on the 91st day. They eventually settled a class action suit at $25 or a free game per affected user. Thanks a lot.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
PC mag and several others put the failure rate as high as 33% for the 360. Arstechnica reported as high as 16% and at the time MS pledged 1 billion to fix the xbox line. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2007/07/microsoft-shares-360-defect- information-claiming-unacceptable-numbers-of-returns-and-repairs.ars Mike, this article is nearly two years old. The failures they are talking about mostly stemmed from the bad IC that has been replaced. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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However those IC's still fail in those units. Both my Son-in-law and his friend had theirs crash in the last 3 months. One extended warranty one not. Stewart At 07:35 PM 4/2/2009, you wrote: PC mag and several others put the failure rate as high as 33% for the 360. Arstechnica reported as high as 16% and at the time MS pledged 1 billion to fix the xbox line. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2007/07/microsoft-shares-360-defect- information-claiming-unacceptable-numbers-of-returns-and-repairs.ars Mike, this article is nearly two years old. The failures they are talking about mostly stemmed from the bad IC that has been replaced. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
I dunno. As the mother of four boys that have been doing the whole game system thing since the Atari/Pong days, according to my kids, plus all of their friends for nigh on too many years to mention, our current XBox is better than anything that's come before. According to them, the XBox is far superior. Personally, I'm not real interested in the graphics, sound, or anything else that they seem to think makes it superior. After a couple of decades of being Nintendo clan, I was a bit surprised m'self...but it is what it is. Hasn't missed a beat since the original purchase. If it died tomorrow, I would have more than gotten my money's worth. PS. A lot of people make fun of us old folks that buy the WII fit. :-) Donna In a message dated 4/2/2009 8:56:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, popoz...@earthlink.net writes: However those IC's still fail in those units. Both my Son-in-law and his friend had theirs crash in the last 3 months. One extended warranty one not. Stewart **Lose weight like TV’s Biggest Loser finalists. Start w/ a FREE Weight-Loss Plan! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220200127x1201334384/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213622551%3B35099622%3Bc) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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One box has superior specs, better reviews, and higher customer satisfaction ratings. The other one is cheaper and sells more. Where do you get your figures? I looked on amazon, and the Wii had better customer satisfaction ratings there than any of the Xbox models. That also seems to be the general understanding on the tech sites I visit. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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One box has superior specs, better reviews, and higher customer satisfaction ratings. The other one is cheaper and sells more. Where do you get your figures? I looked on amazon, and the Wii had better customer satisfaction ratings there than any of the Xbox models. That also seems to be the general understanding on the tech sites I visit. I can't remember where I saw it; it was a while ago. However, it was a poll (a real one, not a web site poll) rather than customer-submitted feedback, so I would tend to trust it more. In any event, there's no question on the specs and not much of one about the reviews. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
WII seems to be outselling any of the gamer type machines right now, but I think that is because your non typical buyer is standing in line to buy it. (read over 50 years old) Incidentally, no one cares about those of us who are over 50, so sales to we nearly-dead don't count. We aren't in anyone's target demographic. Even though we have all the money. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Comparing the Xbox with the WII is not a fair comparison. They serve different purposes and really are aimed at two different groups. I think it's just as fair as comparing an iMac to an HP laptop, don't you? :) Anyway, it was Tom who made the initial comparison. I was just pointing out that his conclusion conflicts with his verdict in the case of PC v. Mac. In the case of computers, quality is what's important (so MS loses). In the case of games, it's sales that are important (so MS loses). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Well I don't know about all the money plus I am not yet an empty nester. But yeah you are right, no one seems to market to us except AARP! Stewart At 02:48 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: WII seems to be outselling any of the gamer type machines right now, but I think that is because your non typical buyer is standing in line to buy it. (read over 50 years old) Incidentally, no one cares about those of us who are over 50, so sales to we nearly-dead don't count. We aren't in anyone's target demographic. Even though we have all the money. :) Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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But yeah you are right, no one seems to market to us except AARP! Right, I forgot about them. AARP and the wheelie chair guys, Hoveround. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I like their mice. I do too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Their keyboards and mice are one of only two brands I will buy. Logitech is the other one. And Keytronic? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
Incidentally, no one cares about those of us who are over 50, so sales to we nearly-dead don't count. We aren't in anyone's target demographic. Even though we have all the money. :) Not true. One of my clients is a magazine whos circulation skews to the seniors. There are many businesses who are very interested in taking their money. If the stock market improves this interest will certainly increase. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
As WFBs constantly remind us, raw sales numbers are all that counts. You make my point. You dispute this view in PC v. Mac but endorse it in Xbox v. Wii. The only thing that's consistent is that MS loses no matter what. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Uhhh...aren't we the target audience for Cialis and Viagra, Embril, Enablex, etc., ad nauseam! lol Donna In a message dated 4/1/2009 7:26:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, popoz...@earthlink.net writes: That's about right. Enjoy your golden years! Stewart At 06:00 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: But yeah you are right, no one seems to market to us except AARP! Right, I forgot about them. AARP and the wheelie chair guys, Hoveround. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 **New Low Prices on Dell Laptops – Starting at $399 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631247x1201390185/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540506%3B35046329%3Bx) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The same with the PS3. Xbox made marketing smarts with the Netflixs deal. Stewart At 07:07 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Anyway, it was Tom who made the initial comparison. I was just pointing out that his conclusion conflicts with his verdict in the case of PC v. Mac. In the case of computers, quality is what's important (so MS loses). In the case of games, it's sales that are important (so MS loses). Except I would say that the quality of the Wii is superior to the XBox. I only brought up sales figures to give the WFBs an opportunity to admit that sales numbers are not what is important. Th Wii is superior because it is a better design and a more clever use of technology. The MS product is just more dumb iron. The design philosophy is that bigger, bulkier, and speedier is all that counts. Not creativity and brains. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Some of those I do not use the others I cannot afford. Stewart At 07:26 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Uhhh...aren't we the target audience for Cialis and Viagra, Embril, Enablex, etc., ad nauseam! lol Donna Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
I only brought up sales figures to give the WFBs an opportunity to admit that sales numbers are not what is important. Nope. Gotta love how you make stuff up. I brought up sales numbers, not you, and only because it's the only conceivable measure by which you could say that Xbox lost to Wii, and because this is totally inconsistent with your position on PC/Mac. Your inquiry, as I feel sure you will recall, had to do with quality, not with sales. Except I would say that the quality of the Wii is superior to the XBox. The MS product is just more dumb iron. Absolutely. Video quality, audio quality, number of voices, smoothness and responsiveness, connectivity, none of that irrelevant crap really matters in gameplay. Who would think such a thing? *Totally* fooled the reviewers who said things like hands down your best game console option. Morons. Didn't they see the logo? We get it, Tom. MS sucks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
Not only that but Netflix is allowing members to use a Xbox a lot like an Apple TV. Son in Law did that and loved it. He also uses it as his DVD player, no extra equipment. By the way on a 46 TV it looks awesome. Stewart At 09:04 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Absolutely. Video quality, audio quality, number of voices, smoothness and responsiveness, connectivity, none of that irrelevant crap really matters in gameplay. Who would think such a thing? *Totally* fooled the reviewers who said things like hands down your best game console option. Morons. Didn't they see the logo? We get it, Tom. MS sucks. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
You make my point. You dispute this view in PC v. Mac but endorse it in Xbox v. Wii. The only thing that's consistent is that MS loses no matter what. You are having trouble following obvious logic. I think you are an autoresponder in need of better programming. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
Yup - it is ultimately game play that sustains interest in a game system. The rest is chrome. On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Video quality, audio quality, number of voices, smoothness and responsiveness, connectivity, none of that irrelevant crap really matters in gameplay. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
Not only that but Netflix is allowing members to use a Xbox a lot like an Apple TV. Son in Law did that and loved it. He also uses it as his DVD player, no extra equipment. By the way on a 46 TV it looks awesome. It is indeed, I've seen it. You can even use it as a receiver/DVR for over-the-air HDTV (stick a digital TV tuner in a PC, then stream the signal over the home network to the Xbox, where you use Media Extender to control playing and recording). Or watch HD movies and network TV directly off the Internet via Xbox Live Video. It's pretty cool stuff. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
Not best but in the top 5. Their keyboards and mice are one of only two brands I will buy. Logitech is the other one. Stewart At 08:52 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: Can you name something MS makes that is considered best quality in its category? I can't think of anything. As I suspected. The answer is no. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Xbox lost out to Wii. Well, now this is a really interesting conclusion. We (wii?) have both, and there is no comparison. Except for the wiimotes, which really are pretty cool, Xbox is superior in *every* respect. As in blows it away. Side-by-side with the Xbox's HD graphics, the Wii looks like a Commodore 64. The gameplay is smoother and more responsive, and there's no comparison in the sound. This is not me, certified MS lapdog, speaking; it's my kids, who could care less about who made the boxes. The Wii sits untouched. I don't even know if it still works; nobody cares. You certainly can't be talking about features/specs, because, if you were, I'd have to assume that you have no idea WTF you're talking about. Full details at http://tinyurl.com/23okra, but here are a few goodies (and believe me, this is just the tip of the iceberg): Xbox Wii --- CPU 3.2 GHz PowerPC w/3 729MHz IBM Broadway dual-threaded cores Clock500Mhz 243Mhz System RAM 512MB64MB Video RAM512MB24MB Best video res 1080p480p Video bandwidth 21.6 GB/sec 3.9 GB/sec HDMI Yep Nope (obviously) Storage Up to 120GB HD 512MB flash Digital audioDolby 5.1Nope Plays DVDs Yep Nope Well, you get the idea. So, the only way you could *possibly* say that Xbox lost out to Wii is in terms of sales. Wii does sell more. Of course, it is cheaper. So, let's summarize. Two companies produce machines with the same basic function. One box has superior specs, better reviews, and higher customer satisfaction ratings. The other one is cheaper and sells more. Which machine does Tom think is the winner? Hey, it's the one that sells more! Hmmm. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
