Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
Betty (b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED]) replied: When I want to copy the header, I simply choose Edit as New in Thunderbird's Message menu. Then I make whatever changes I want, or keep it as is. I comment: Betty, I tried this repeatedly in incoming and outgoing messages. In my hands, this step appears to be writing a new e-mail. I get the headers separated from the message. Have I overlooked something? If all I want to do is copy the headers and not send a new email, I set the headers to display the info I want. Then I select Forward which neatly displays the header for the selected email. this email, View Headers Normal: Original Message Subject: Re: Looking for an e-mail client with particular features Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:23:19 -0500 From: b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CGUYS COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM this email, View Headers All: Original Message From: - Sun Dec 07 22:26:54 2008 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: X-Mozilla-Keys: FCC: mailbox://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Sent X-Identity-Key: id1 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:26:54 -0500 From: b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mozilla-Draft-Info: internal/draft; vcard=0; receipt=0; uuencode=0 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CGUYS COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: Looking for an e-mail client with particular features Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How much information do you need from the headers? The former [Normal] should be enough, but you do have a choice. You could look at the code, but forwarding is much easier. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
At 05:59 PM 12/7/2008, Michael S. Altus wrote: I comment: Thank you for this suggestion. I tried and might continue to check Eudora ver 7. I find that the button line has only icons and not words, and otherwise is crowded. If I pause for a second over a button, I get a tool-tip that describes its function. Perhaps not as handy as having legible words continuously displayed, but, with regular use, one gets to know the buttons and doesn't need the words. Right-click on blank space on the toolbar that has In, Out, Check mail, New Message, etc, and select Customize and you can customize the toolbars to your heart's content. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
Eudora will do what you describe below, if I understand correctly what you are asking. It also has an excellent filtering system for automatically moving incoming messages into individual mailboxes. The available filtering criteria are a broad set, not simply the message sender (which is, of course, allowed). In Eudora, the entire incoming message is displayed in a single pane, and CTRL-A selects all, including the displayed message headers. If you can read the manual and write simple code in the settings file, you can select exactly which headers will be displayed and which will not. I haven't found (but can't say it doesn't exist) a GUI dialog for setting the displayed headers. I know that Eudora isn't being supported any more, but Version 7 is very good. I don't know what the current status is with regard to a registration code for disabling the advertisements or whatever crippling the unregistered version has. Fred Holmes At 04:15 PM 12/4/2008, Michael S. Altus wrote: I am looking for an e-mail client that that a feature like AOL version 7. As a freelance medical writer-editor, I have individual Word folders for each client. One of the files in these folders is named Correspondence, in which I routinely keep copies of incoming and outgoing e-mails. I have used AOL version 7 for several years because I can copy the visible headers (subject; date; from; to) in incoming and outgoing e-mails. That is, when I have an incoming or outgoing e-mail on the screen, I can select (Ctrl+A) and copy (Ctrl+C) the e-mail, including the visible headers, and paste (Ctrl+V) it into a Word file that, as mentioned, is named Correspondence. If you are unclear about what I mean, look at the e-mails in the www.cguys.org archives. These e-mails are formatted in a way that that the visible headers can be copied along with the text. When AOL version 9 was introduced, I tried it and found that the e-mails were configured differently. The visible headers are in the background, so to speak. When I would select an entire page (Ctrl-A), I would get only the body of the e-mail, not including the visible headers. For this reason, I downgraded to AOL version 7. I find that two e-mail clients, Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla Thunderbird, are configured in the same way as AOL version 9. When I select on the body of an e-mail, I get only the body, not the visible headers. My webhost offers webmail access to the e-mails. I do not care for the format, and I prefer to have an e-mail client on my computer so as to assure that e-mails are downloaded to my computer from the web. Does anyone know of an e-mail client that formats e-mails to enable copying visible headers along with the text? Thanks, Michael Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS Intensive Care Communications, Inc.(R) Biomedical Writing and Editing Baltimore MD; [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows is a USENET news group that provides excellent support for Eudora, and while I use Forte Agent to read newsgroups, I think that they can be read / posted to from a browser, although I've never tried it. Current activity on the newsgroup is maybe one thread per day. Answers come promptly. Fred Holmes At 05:16 PM 12/4/2008, Sue Cubic wrote: At 04:45 PM 12/04/2008 -0500, Matthew S. Taylor wrote Pegasus email would do what you want. You can also change the message display options in Thunderbird to show the headers such that they would be copied. So will Eudora, which is probably the most versatile of all the email clients. You need to find Ver 7xx, though--not Ver 8--which is really Thunderbird. Far as I know you can still get Ver7xx at http://www.eudora.com/ It's available for both Win and Mac, and there is good online support via an email list http://lists.listmoms.net/lists/ Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
Yes, but ... I think he wants to copy only the five or so useful headers, along with the body text. Show all or details often displays all of the headers (e.g., what the blah, blah toolbar button in Eudora does), including all of the headers that display routing information and timestamping of intermediate processes in the message's transmittal and delivery. Fred Holmes At 09:30 PM 12/4/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In thunderbird you can do it two ways: 1. Ctl-U (or from the menu view/message source) to see a particular message - that's what I'd recommend. 2. View/Headers/All -- and then as I described earlier you can forward a message inline and copy the information Michael S. Altus wrote: I asked: Does anyone know of an e-mail client that formats e-mails to enable copying visible headers along with the text? Matthew Taylor replied: Pegasus email would do what you want. You can also change the message display options in Thunderbird to show the headers such that they would be copied. Matthew, Could you please walk me through the steps in Thunderbird version 2? I am using a Windows XP computer. Thanks, Michael Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS Intensive Care Communications, Inc.(R) Biomedical Writing and Editing Baltimore MD; [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
I am looking for an e-mail client that that a feature like AOL version 7. As a freelance medical writer-editor, I have individual Word folders for each client. One of the files in these folders is named Correspondence, in which I routinely keep copies of incoming and outgoing e-mails. I have used AOL version 7 for several years because I can copy the visible headers (subject; date; from; to) in incoming and outgoing e-mails. That is, when I have an incoming or outgoing e-mail on the screen, I can select (Ctrl+A) and copy (Ctrl+C) the e-mail, including the visible headers, and paste (Ctrl+V) it into a Word file that, as mentioned, is named Correspondence. If you are unclear about what I mean, look at the e-mails in the www.cguys.org archives. These e-mails are formatted in a way that that the visible headers can be copied along with the text. When AOL version 9 was introduced, I tried it and found that the e-mails were configured differently. The visible headers are in the background, so to speak. When I would select an entire page (Ctrl-A), I would get only the body of the e-mail, not including the visible headers. For this reason, I downgraded to AOL version 7. I find that two e-mail clients, Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla Thunderbird, are configured in the same way as AOL version 9. When I select on the body of an e-mail, I get only the body, not the visible headers. My webhost offers webmail access to the e-mails. I do not care for the format, and I prefer to have an e-mail client on my computer so as to assure that e-mails are downloaded to my computer from the web. Does anyone know of an e-mail client that formats e-mails to enable copying visible headers along with the text? Thanks, Michael Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS Intensive Care Communications, Inc.(R) Biomedical Writing and Editing Baltimore MD; [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
Pegasus email would do what you want. You can also change the message display options in Thunderbird to show the headers such that they would be copied. Matthew On Dec 4, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Michael S. Altus wrote: I am looking for an e-mail client that that a feature like AOL version 7. As a freelance medical writer-editor, I have individual Word folders for each client. One of the files in these folders is named Correspondence, in which I routinely keep copies of incoming and outgoing e-mails. I have used AOL version 7 for several years because I can copy the visible headers (subject; date; from; to) in incoming and outgoing e-mails. That is, when I have an incoming or outgoing e-mail on the screen, I can select (Ctrl+A) and copy (Ctrl+C) the e-mail, including the visible headers, and paste (Ctrl+V) it into a Word file that, as mentioned, is named Correspondence. If you are unclear about what I mean, look at the e-mails in the www.cguys.org archives. These e-mails are formatted in a way that that the visible headers can be copied along with the text. When AOL version 9 was introduced, I tried it and found that the e- mails were configured differently. The visible headers are in the background, so to speak. When I would select an entire page (Ctrl-A), I would get only the body of the e-mail, not including the visible headers. For this reason, I downgraded to AOL version 7. I find that two e-mail clients, Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla Thunderbird, are configured in the same way as AOL version 9. When I select on the body of an e-mail, I get only the body, not the visible headers. My webhost offers webmail access to the e-mails. I do not care for the format, and I prefer to have an e-mail client on my computer so as to assure that e-mails are downloaded to my computer from the web. Does anyone know of an e-mail client that formats e-mails to enable copying visible headers along with the text? Thanks, Michael Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS Intensive Care Communications, Inc.(R) Biomedical Writing and Editing Baltimore MD; [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
I use Mozilla thunderbird. If I want to copy the heading information, I select forward the email inline and then I can copy it (except for bcc recipients). Michael S. Altus wrote: I am looking for an e-mail client that that a feature like AOL version 7. As a freelance medical writer-editor, I have individual Word folders for each client. One of the files in these folders is named Correspondence, in which I routinely keep copies of incoming and outgoing e-mails. I have used AOL version 7 for several years because I can copy the visible headers (subject; date; from; to) in incoming and outgoing e-mails. That is, when I have an incoming or outgoing e-mail on the screen, I can select (Ctrl+A) and copy (Ctrl+C) the e-mail, including the visible headers, and paste (Ctrl+V) it into a Word file that, as mentioned, is named Correspondence. If you are unclear about what I mean, look at the e-mails in the www.cguys.org archives. These e-mails are formatted in a way that that the visible headers can be copied along with the text. When AOL version 9 was introduced, I tried it and found that the e-mails were configured differently. The visible headers are in the background, so to speak. When I would select an entire page (Ctrl-A), I would get only the body of the e-mail, not including the visible headers. For this reason, I downgraded to AOL version 7. I find that two e-mail clients, Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla Thunderbird, are configured in the same way as AOL version 9. When I select on the body of an e-mail, I get only the body, not the visible headers. My webhost offers webmail access to the e-mails. I do not care for the format, and I prefer to have an e-mail client on my computer so as to assure that e-mails are downloaded to my computer from the web. Does anyone know of an e-mail client that formats e-mails to enable copying visible headers along with the text? Thanks, Michael Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS Intensive Care Communications, Inc.(R) Biomedical Writing and Editing Baltimore MD; [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
Since you already have a direct answer to your question, now I'd like to ask WHY you need (or want?) to do this? It kind of sounds like you're stuck with some ancient way of handling email that can quite likely be done better these days. I mean, we too use email for business, but I can't recall the last time I needed to copy headers from a client. What's the purpose? On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Matthew S. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pegasus email would do what you want. You can also change the message display options in Thunderbird to show the headers such that they would be copied. Matthew On Dec 4, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Michael S. Altus wrote: I am looking for an e-mail client that that a feature like AOL version 7. As a freelance medical writer-editor, I have individual Word folders for each client. One of the files in these folders is named Correspondence, in which I routinely keep copies of incoming and outgoing e-mails. I have used AOL version 7 for several years because I can copy the visible headers (subject; date; from; to) in incoming and outgoing e-mails. That is, when I have an incoming or outgoing e-mail on the screen, I can select (Ctrl+A) and copy (Ctrl+C) the e-mail, including the visible headers, and paste (Ctrl+V) it into a Word file that, as mentioned, is named Correspondence. If you are unclear about what I mean, look at the e-mails in the www.cguys.org archives. These e-mails are formatted in a way that that the visible headers can be copied along with the text. When AOL version 9 was introduced, I tried it and found that the e-mails were configured differently. The visible headers are in the background, so to speak. When I would select an entire page (Ctrl-A), I would get only the body of the e-mail, not including the visible headers. For this reason, I downgraded to AOL version 7. I find that two e-mail clients, Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla Thunderbird, are configured in the same way as AOL version 9. When I select on the body of an e-mail, I get only the body, not the visible headers. My webhost offers webmail access to the e-mails. I do not care for the format, and I prefer to have an e-mail client on my computer so as to assure that e-mails are downloaded to my computer from the web. Does anyone know of an e-mail client that formats e-mails to enable copying visible headers along with the text? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
At 05:10 PM 12/04/2008 -0500, Tony B wrote Since you already have a direct answer to your question, now I'd like to ask WHY you need (or want?) to do this? It kind of sounds like you're stuck with some ancient way of handling email that can quite likely be done better these days. I mean, we too use email for business, but I can't recall the last time I needed to copy headers from a client. What's the purpose? I use Eudora, which has a blah-blah button to expose all the headers in any email. I use headers to track and report spammers most of the time. Sometimes you just want to know who you're getting email from! Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
At 04:45 PM 12/04/2008 -0500, Matthew S. Taylor wrote Pegasus email would do what you want. You can also change the message display options in Thunderbird to show the headers such that they would be copied. So will Eudora, which is probably the most versatile of all the email clients. You need to find Ver 7xx, though--not Ver 8--which is really Thunderbird. Far as I know you can still get Ver7xx at http://www.eudora.com/ It's available for both Win and Mac, and there is good online support via an email list http://lists.listmoms.net/lists/ Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
No, this wouldn't explain why the OP needs to copy headers along with the bodies. I mean, every email client tells him who the email is from, and further, he's saving them in subfolders under that client's name anyway. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Sue Cubic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Eudora, which has a blah-blah button to expose all the headers in any email. I use headers to track and report spammers most of the time. Sometimes you just want to know who you're getting email from! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
I asked: Does anyone know of an e-mail client that formats e-mails to enable copying visible headers along with the text? Matthew Taylor replied: Pegasus email would do what you want. You can also change the message display options in Thunderbird to show the headers such that they would be copied. Matthew, Could you please walk me through the steps in Thunderbird version 2? I am using a Windows XP computer. Thanks, Michael Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS Intensive Care Communications, Inc.(R) Biomedical Writing and Editing Baltimore MD; [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
Eudora. Stewart At 03:15 PM 12/4/2008, you wrote: I am looking for an e-mail client that that a feature like AOL version 7. As a freelance medical writer-editor, I have individual Word folders for each client. One of the files in these folders is named Correspondence, in which I routinely keep copies of incoming and outgoing e-mails. I have used AOL version 7 for several years because I can copy the visible headers (subject; date; from; to) in incoming and outgoing e-mails. That is, when I have an incoming or outgoing e-mail on the screen, I can select (Ctrl+A) and copy (Ctrl+C) the e-mail, including the visible headers, and paste (Ctrl+V) it into a Word file that, as mentioned, is named Correspondence. If you are unclear about what I mean, look at the e-mails in the www.cguys.org archives. These e-mails are formatted in a way that that the visible headers can be copied along with the text. When AOL version 9 was introduced, I tried it and found that the e-mails were configured differently. The visible headers are in the background, so to speak. When I would select an entire page (Ctrl-A), I would get only the body of the e-mail, not including the visible headers. For this reason, I downgraded to AOL version 7. I find that two e-mail clients, Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla Thunderbird, are configured in the same way as AOL version 9. When I select on the body of an e-mail, I get only the body, not the visible headers. My webhost offers webmail access to the e-mails. I do not care for the format, and I prefer to have an e-mail client on my computer so as to assure that e-mails are downloaded to my computer from the web. Does anyone know of an e-mail client that formats e-mails to enable copying visible headers along with the text? Thanks, Michael Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS Intensive Care Communications, Inc.(R) Biomedical Writing and Editing Baltimore MD; [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
In thunderbird you can do it two ways: 1. Ctl-U (or from the menu view/message source) to see a particular message - that's what I'd recommend. 2. View/Headers/All -- and then as I described earlier you can forward a message inline and copy the information Michael S. Altus wrote: I asked: Does anyone know of an e-mail client that formats e-mails to enable copying visible headers along with the text? Matthew Taylor replied: Pegasus email would do what you want. You can also change the message display options in Thunderbird to show the headers such that they would be copied. Matthew, Could you please walk me through the steps in Thunderbird version 2? I am using a Windows XP computer. Thanks, Michael Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS Intensive Care Communications, Inc.(R) Biomedical Writing and Editing Baltimore MD; [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Looking for an e-mail client with particular features
Doesn't matter why OP wants to do this. That's his business. When I want to copy the header, I simply choose Edit as New in Thunderbird's Message menu. Then I make whatever changes I want, or keep it as is. Betty No, this wouldn't explain why the OP needs to copy headers along with the bodies. I mean, every email client tells him who the email is from, and further, he's saving them in subfolders under that client's name anyway. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Sue Cubic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Eudora, which has a blah-blah button to expose all the headers in any email. I use headers to track and report spammers most of the time. Sometimes you just want to know who you're getting email from! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
