Re: [CGUYS] Torchwood (Was Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!)

2008-02-11 Thread Paul Meyer
Some of the really good writing in T'wood gets thrown away
maybe because C.J. is as authorative as the Doctor (e.g. his
explanation of Torchwood's 1,2 & 4) 

I read that T'wood was in part inspired by the success of Buffy/Angel
but particularly the latter.  I can definitely see that but
what is ironic is that Dr. Who actually blazed the trail for Buffy
(e.g. long, long story arcs, creation of mythos,
genre-bending, humour - especially T. Baker).  Partly because of
the B/A influence, they seem to dip into fantasy/occult stuff
without even attempting sci-fi windowdressing. Seems a departure
from the Who-ian canon. Still I like it.

My Who education post Baker is vastly incomplete.
... oh yeah, "Computers!"



--- Reid Katan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Quoting Paul Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Any Doctor Who fans following Torchwood?
> 
> Me me me. I don't like it as much as Dr Who. Cap'n Jack was so much  
> better in his couple of Dr Who episodes. He's too serious now. I
> liked  
> the one where them three people came through the rift from WWII era.
> 
> Then again, I don't like the new Who as much as the old Who. The  
> inside of the Tardis is just wrong, and they spend too much time in  
> Cardiff. And what's with the romantic involvement between The Doctor 
> 
> and his companion? Never had that before. They even romanticized the 
> 
> relationship between him and Sarah Jane.
> 
> Katan
> 
> 
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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-09 Thread Sue Cubic

At 10:49 AM 02/09/2008 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote

>Iggle = Eagle in Philadelphian.

and we did not even get to the tough stuff...

How do you respond to "Wid or widout?



Definitely Wid!  My husband used to mow the "lawnd" every week also.

Sue



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[CGUYS] Torchwood (Was Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!)

2008-02-09 Thread Reid Katan

Quoting Paul Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Any Doctor Who fans following Torchwood?


Me me me. I don't like it as much as Dr Who. Cap'n Jack was so much  
better in his couple of Dr Who episodes. He's too serious now. I liked  
the one where them three people came through the rift from WWII era.


Then again, I don't like the new Who as much as the old Who. The  
inside of the Tardis is just wrong, and they spend too much time in  
Cardiff. And what's with the romantic involvement between The Doctor  
and his companion? Never had that before. They even romanticized the  
relationship between him and Sarah Jane.


Katan



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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Iggle = Eagle in Philadelphian.

and we did not even get to the tough stuff...

How do you respond to "Wid or widout?



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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-09 Thread Sue Cubic

At 06:57 AM 02/09/2008 -0800, Paul Meyer wrote

Any Doctor Who fans following Torchwood?
(I know it's OT but what about all that
indecipherable obscureness about Philadelphia
and a (?) pig.  I am not even going to
ask what an iggle is.)


I think an iggle is a type of bird only found in PA. :)

Sue



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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
I'm about three quarters of the way through Torchwood season 1 .  I
thought they were better as the series goes on  Some of the earlier
ones had these sex oriented plot twists that felt like an HBO comedy
where they used to have a topless women in the shot for no particular
reason.  I liked the one about the ghost best.

Iggle = Eagle in Philadelphian.

On Feb 9, 2008 9:57 AM, Paul Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Any Doctor Who fans following Torchwood?
> (I know it's OT but what about all that
> indecipherable obscureness about Philadelphia
> and a (?) pig.  I am not even going to
> ask what an iggle is.)
>
> --- katan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:56:19 -0800, Paul Meyer wrote:
> >
> > >Is that a Doctor Who quote?
> >
> > Why yes. Yes it is. From "the Face of Evil".
> >
> > --
> > katan
> >
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> > They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts
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> > of the facts that needs altering.
> >
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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-09 Thread Paul Meyer
Any Doctor Who fans following Torchwood? 
(I know it's OT but what about all that
indecipherable obscureness about Philadelphia
and a (?) pig.  I am not even going to
ask what an iggle is.)

--- katan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:56:19 -0800, Paul Meyer wrote:
> 
> >Is that a Doctor Who quote?
> 
> Why yes. Yes it is. From "the Face of Evil".
> 
> --
> katan
> 
> The very powerful, and the very stupid have one thing in common.
> They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts
> to fit
> their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one
> of the facts that needs altering.
> 
>The Doctor (Number 4)
> 
> 
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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-07 Thread Paul Meyer
Is that a Doctor Who quote?

--- katan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 00:59:34 -0500, Michael Fernando wrote:
> 
> >> This particular public will certainly be migrating to the Google
> >> product. I've spent a *lot* of time avoiding Microsoft products
> except
> >> for OSes because I'm too lazy to learn Linux and too cheap to buy
> a Mac.
> >
> >
> >Well, certain Linux distros have come a long way.  I think Ubuntu
> can be
> >used for everyday desktop tasks.  Give it a try.  After all, it is a
> >completely free download as opposed to RedHat or SuSE.  You just
> have to get
> 
> Oh, I know. I've actually installed a couple distros of Linux
> (Mandrake, Ubuntu, Red Hat (before it went commercial)). It really
> isn't that hard to do.
> 
> >used to knowing what application to use.  For instance, how do you
> know you
> >need to use Nero or Toast (or your favorite CD writing sw) to burn a
> CD on a
> >Windows machine?  You just know ... similarly, you have to get to
> "know"
> 
> Right. Some are obvious. Firefox, Open Office. I quite like my
> orphaned
> mail program though (PMMail), and AFAIK it's only Windoze and OS/2,
> so
> that leads to Wine which I never quite mastered. Largely through lack
> of effort, I'll admit.
> 
> >So, you don't have to be a command-line addict to use Linux these
> days.
> 
> Well where's the fun in that? (-:
> 
> --
> katan
> 
> The very powerful, and the very stupid have one thing in common.
> They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts
> to fit
> their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one
> of the facts that needs altering.
> 
>The Doctor (Number 4)
> 
> 
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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-05 Thread katan
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:56:19 -0800, Paul Meyer wrote:

>Is that a Doctor Who quote?

Why yes. Yes it is. From "the Face of Evil".

--
katan

The very powerful, and the very stupid have one thing in common.
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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-04 Thread katan
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 00:59:34 -0500, Michael Fernando wrote:

>> This particular public will certainly be migrating to the Google
>> product. I've spent a *lot* of time avoiding Microsoft products except
>> for OSes because I'm too lazy to learn Linux and too cheap to buy a Mac.
>
>
>Well, certain Linux distros have come a long way.  I think Ubuntu can be
>used for everyday desktop tasks.  Give it a try.  After all, it is a
>completely free download as opposed to RedHat or SuSE.  You just have to get

Oh, I know. I've actually installed a couple distros of Linux
(Mandrake, Ubuntu, Red Hat (before it went commercial)). It really
isn't that hard to do.

>used to knowing what application to use.  For instance, how do you know you
>need to use Nero or Toast (or your favorite CD writing sw) to burn a CD on a
>Windows machine?  You just know ... similarly, you have to get to "know"

Right. Some are obvious. Firefox, Open Office. I quite like my orphaned
mail program though (PMMail), and AFAIK it's only Windoze and OS/2, so
that leads to Wine which I never quite mastered. Largely through lack
of effort, I'll admit.

>So, you don't have to be a command-line addict to use Linux these days.

Well where's the fun in that? (-:

--
katan

The very powerful, and the very stupid have one thing in common.
They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit
their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one
of the facts that needs altering.

   The Doctor (Number 4)



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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-04 Thread Paul Meyer
You can get free RedHat (Fedora) or Suse (OpenSuse) and
there is even a free server version of RedHat (CentOS).
Ubuntu is probably the best most desktop ready version.

The real issue in desktop distro's seem to be those
that are willing to bundle propietary drivers and codes.
There are distros based on Ubuntu that do that (Saboyan).

When KDE 4.0 starts coming with distros (Kubuntu I think
is stilling working on integrating it, Ubuntu won't use
it) and when the
compositing windows managers are working with the graphics
cards, Linux promises to be the future of snazzy desktops.


--- Michael Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > When that happens would the public and advertisers
> > > migrate to the MSN product or the Google product?
> 
> > This particular public will certainly be migrating to the Goolge
> > product. I've spent a *lot* of time avoiding Microsoft products
> except
> > for OSes because I'm too lazy to learn Linux and too cheap to buy a
> Mac.
> 
> 
> Well, certain Linux distros have come a long way.  I think Ubuntu can
> be
> used for everyday desktop tasks.  Give it a try.  After all, it is a
> completely free download as opposed to RedHat or SuSE.  You just have
> to get
> used to knowing what application to use.  For instance, how do you
> know you
> need to use Nero or Toast (or your favorite CD writing sw) to burn a
> CD on a
> Windows machine?  You just know ... similarly, you have to get to
> "know"
> that k3b is a nice GUI based CD/DVD burning app on Linux.  On Ubuntu,
> spend
> some time searching for stuff in the System -> Administration ->
> Synaptic
> Package Manager and you will be amazed at the wealth of pre-built
> packages
> available (all free) just a mouse click away.  You can also look at
> the
> library of application software by package popularity via
> Applications ->
> Add/Remove
> 
> So, you don't have to be a command-line addict to use Linux these
> days.
> 
> 
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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-04 Thread Paul Meyer
I remember when I used the Yahoo directory to find
interesting stuff. I google mostly these days (and Google
seems to have a parallel directory structure, obviously
modeled on Yahoo) but I would be anxious if couldn't use 
that directory style search someday.


--- Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The head on today's NY Times story is "A Giant Bid That Shows How
> Tired 
> the Giant Is" and it reads like an obituary.
> 
> Curiously, Google is not always my first choice for search. Many
> times I 
> go to Wikipedia instead. In my book Wikipedia is #2 in search. 
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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-02 Thread Michael Fernando
> > When that happens would the public and advertisers
> > migrate to the MSN product or the Google product?

> This particular public will certainly be migrating to the Goolge
> product. I've spent a *lot* of time avoiding Microsoft products except
> for OSes because I'm too lazy to learn Linux and too cheap to buy a Mac.


Well, certain Linux distros have come a long way.  I think Ubuntu can be
used for everyday desktop tasks.  Give it a try.  After all, it is a
completely free download as opposed to RedHat or SuSE.  You just have to get
used to knowing what application to use.  For instance, how do you know you
need to use Nero or Toast (or your favorite CD writing sw) to burn a CD on a
Windows machine?  You just know ... similarly, you have to get to "know"
that k3b is a nice GUI based CD/DVD burning app on Linux.  On Ubuntu, spend
some time searching for stuff in the System -> Administration -> Synaptic
Package Manager and you will be amazed at the wealth of pre-built packages
available (all free) just a mouse click away.  You can also look at the
library of application software by package popularity via Applications ->
Add/Remove

So, you don't have to be a command-line addict to use Linux these days.



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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
The head on today's NY Times story is "A Giant Bid That Shows How Tired 
the Giant Is" and it reads like an obituary.

Curiously, Google is not always my first choice for search. Many times I 
go to Wikipedia instead. In my book Wikipedia is #2 in search. 



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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-02 Thread Jeff Wright
> I wonder what would be left of Yahoo! if MS did gobble it up. The
> services offered by Yahoo! and MSN are for the most part identical. It
> would make no sense to offer identical services for very long. So MS
> would be paying $45 Billion to merely eliminate a competitor. When that
> happens would the public and advertisers migrate to the MSN product or
> the Google product?
> 
> MS has a long history of buying companies and squandering their assets.
> Anyone remember WebTV?

I see this a giant waste of money too.  Have you been spiking the MS water
supply with hallucinogens?



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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-01 Thread Reid Katan

Quoting Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


I wonder what would be left of Yahoo! if MS did gobble it up. The
services offered by Yahoo! and MSN are for the most part identical. It
would make no sense to offer identical services for very long. So MS
would be paying $45 Billion to merely eliminate a competitor. When that
happens would the public and advertisers migrate to the MSN product or
the Google product?


This particular public would certainly migrate to the Google product  
(except for OSes because I'm too lazy to learn Linux, and too cheap to  
buy a Mac).


Katan



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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-01 Thread Reid Katan

Well that didn't work as planned. What I *meant* to say was:

Quoting Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


I wonder what would be left of Yahoo! if MS did gobble it up. The
services offered by Yahoo! and MSN are for the most part identical. It
would make no sense to offer identical services for very long. So MS
would be paying $45 Billion to merely eliminate a competitor. When that
happens would the public and advertisers migrate to the MSN product or
the Google product?


This particular public will certainly be migrating to the Goolge  
product. I've spent a *lot* of time avoiding Microsoft products except  
for OSes because I'm too lazy to learn Linux and too cheap to buy a Mac.


Katan



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Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-01 Thread mike
I personally don't see much difference between yahoo or msn.  If anything it
sounds like they would buy them out to shut them down.

Mike

On Feb 1, 2008 7:57 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I wonder what would be left of Yahoo! if MS did gobble it up. The
> services offered by Yahoo! and MSN are for the most part identical. It
> would make no sense to offer identical services for very long. So MS
> would be paying $45 Billion to merely eliminate a competitor. When that
> happens would the public and advertisers migrate to the MSN product or
> the Google product?
>
> MS has a long history of buying companies and squandering their assets.
> Anyone remember WebTV?
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[CGUYS] MS Yahoo!

2008-02-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
I wonder what would be left of Yahoo! if MS did gobble it up. The 
services offered by Yahoo! and MSN are for the most part identical. It 
would make no sense to offer identical services for very long. So MS 
would be paying $45 Billion to merely eliminate a competitor. When that 
happens would the public and advertisers migrate to the MSN product or 
the Google product? 

MS has a long history of buying companies and squandering their assets. 
Anyone remember WebTV?



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