Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
While long naked URLs are broken in Thunderbird, the link will be preserved if the URL is wrapped in , and this is the case for every email program I've heard of. Example: with http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203974.html?hpid=sec-tech without http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203974.html?hpid=sec-tech So, aside from cases where there are character limits like twitter, it is actually easier to not use URL shorteners. On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:24 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: Date:Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:41:06 -0500 From:Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure] John Emmerling wrote: What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird for email. Very long web addresses are broken when they wrap around to the next line. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
At one time they recommended this for AOL users. My Eudora will usually follow a broken link. What I also like is that with a false link, I can place my mouse over it, and see the true link in Eudora. Tells me when I have a false link. Stewart At 02:33 PM 3/13/2010, you wrote: While long naked URLs are broken in Thunderbird, the link will be preserved if the URL is wrapped in , and this is the case for every email program I've heard of. Example: with http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203974.html?hpid=sec-tech without http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203974.html?hpid=sec-tech So, aside from cases where there are character limits like twitter, it is actually easier to not use URL shorteners. On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:24 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: Date:Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:41:06 -0500 From:Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure] John Emmerling wrote: What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird for email. Very long web addresses are broken when they wrap around to the next line. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
With all the protections I have these days (UAC, Spybot immunize, safe browsing warnings, etc), I don't feel the need for this, but if you must you can see where these shortened links go before you click on them. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8636 . Equivalents available in other browsers too. TinyURLs always give me the heebies. You can *claim* it's for Something Wonderful when the TinyURL actually points to something nefarious. You need an add-on for this? As Art said, for tinyurl.com, you add preview for preview.tinyurl.com. Or go to http://untiny.me/ and insert the shortened URL. I use http://is.gd which needs only an ending hypen to get a preview, as in http://is.gd/amyeC- . Is.gd is easy to remember and easy to type too Thank goodness for tiny countries like Grenada and Tuvalu to give us these domains--can they profit from this?. BTW, Art's URL example, http://tinyurl.com/X gets you to a real site for unicycling. Are shortened URLs really that scary??? BOOO! What's the real risk that Something Wonderful turns out to be not so wonderful? Close the window. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with respect to wide-open domains like .tv. What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? On 3/12/10, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: With all the protections I have these days (UAC, Spybot immunize, safe etc. Are shortened URLs really that scary??? BOOO! What's the real risk that Something Wonderful turns out to be not so wonderful? Close the window. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Twitter and rick-rolls! On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.comwrote: Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with respect to wide-open domains like .tv. What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? On 3/12/10, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: With all the protections I have these days (UAC, Spybot immunize, safe etc. Are shortened URLs really that scary??? BOOO! What's the real risk that Something Wonderful turns out to be not so wonderful? Close the window. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
At 3:06 PM -0500 3/12/10, John Emmerling wrote: Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with respect to wide-open domains like .tv. What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I think the URL-shortning service became popular when Twitter, with its 140-character limit on message size, took off in popularity. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Actually I think it came about to ease the problem of urls breaking in emails. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Roger D. Parish rogerd.par...@gmail.comwrote: At 3:06 PM -0500 3/12/10, John Emmerling wrote: Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with respect to wide-open domains like .tv. What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I think the URL-shortning service became popular when Twitter, with its 140-character limit on message size, took off in popularity. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Yup it is a little older than Twitter. It came about when url's tended to be a little wordy. Stewart At 04:11 PM 3/12/2010, you wrote: Actually I think it came about to ease the problem of urls breaking in emails. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Roger D. Parish rogerd.par...@gmail.comwrote: At 3:06 PM -0500 3/12/10, John Emmerling wrote: Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with respect to wide-open domains like .tv. What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I think the URL-shortning service became popular when Twitter, with its 140-character limit on message size, took off in popularity. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
John Emmerling wrote: What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird for email. Very long web addresses are broken when they wrap around to the next line. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
On 03/12/2010 03:06 PM, John Emmerling wrote: What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? No, they don't, in fact many wrap at 72 characters. Actually tinyurls and similar services can be safer with preview features than a supposed safe looking URL with a hidden link. Of course the safest approach is not to click on links from folks you do not know. I suggest that few have gotten burned either with a tinyurl or the entire link on this list regardless of how adversarial things become. Besides once someone on this list does burn others, that individual's reputation is shot, so if for example I use some browser like links or turn off script running in browsers and only use non-privileged accounts with browsers any threat is limited indeed. My habit of using Linux also makes things aimed at Windows weaknesses less of a problem too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Please define burned. What happened? Did your hard drive melt? How is this burned experience different from the supposedly innocent URL you sent this week, http://tinyurl.com/X ? No, they don't, in fact many wrap at 72 characters. Actually tinyurls and similar services can be safer with preview features than a supposed safe looking URL with a hidden link. Of course the safest approach is not to click on links from folks you do not know. I suggest that few have gotten burned either with a tinyurl or the entire link on this list regardless of how adversarial things become. Besides once someone on this list does burn others, that individual's reputation is shot, so if for example I use some browser like links or turn off script running... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Quoting John DeCarlo johndeca...@gmail.com: Sounds like a spam email to me. Especially with the tinyurl. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: http://tinyurl.com/yet2zns TinyURLs always give me the heebies. You can *claim* it's for Something Wonderful when the TinyURL actually points to something nefarious. Perhaps if one wishes to point to something on this list with a TinyURL, they ought to also add the not-so-tiny-URL also. In this case though, I gave Steve the benefit of the doubt and followed his TinyURL. Nothing spammy about it. In fact, go straight to the FCC site: www.broadband.gov * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
With all the protections I have these days (UAC, Spybot immunize, safe browsing warnings, etc), I don't feel the need for this, but if you must you can see where these shortened links go before you click on them. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8636 . Equivalents available in other browsers too. TinyURLs always give me the heebies. You can *claim* it's for Something Wonderful when the TinyURL actually points to something nefarious. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
On 03/11/2010 10:59 PM, Reid Katan wrote: In this case though, I gave Steve the benefit of the doubt and followed his TinyURL. Nothing spammy about it. In fact, go straight to the FCC site: www.broadband.gov if folks are really paranaoid, every tinyurl created can have the phrase preview inserted in the URL like for example: http://tinyurl.com/X http://preview.tinyurl.com/ Please note the URLs above are nulls as far as I can determine. If you click on them, I accept no responsibility, I wouldn't, they're examples Depending upon your browser settings with tinyurl, it will either display what the tinyurl URL resolves to or a preview of the page in your browser and please note it's definitely your choice on how you configure your browser to react to tinyurl.com. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
