Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything?
http://news.digitaltrends.com/news/story/14066/iphone_leads_us_smartphone_s ales iPhone outsold all smartphones in July according to iSuppli. The iPhone accounted for 1.8 percent of all mobile handset sales in July. The iPhone outsold all other smartphones during the period this included all BlackBerrys, the entire Palm portfolio, and anything from Motorola, Nokia, or Samsung. The iPhone tied the popular LG Chocolate phone in sales during July. This is a remarkable accomplishment for Apple, considering that July * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything?
The article refers to killer apps surfacing for iPhone. The list was *not* actually that impressive. It has only been two weeks. Give us a break. I have already started to run into people with iPhones. Back when I was an early adopter of iPod it took several months before a saw someone else with white headphones. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Interpret survey shows 90% of iPhone buyers either extremely or very satisfied. Apparently such high marks are almost unheard of. Half of buyers switched to ATT from another carrier. One third of buyers had to break a contract to get the iPhone paying an average of $167 to do so. 40% of iPhone buyers never owned an iPod. 30% never bought an Apple product before. Now that's intersting. 10% of public agrees with Jeff (I'm suprised the number is that high). Wow! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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-Original Message- Interpret survey shows 90% of iPhone buyers either extremely or very satisfied. Apparently such high marks are almost unheard of. Half of buyers switched to ATT from another carrier. One third of buyers had to break a contract to get the iPhone paying an average of $167 to do so. 40% of iPhone buyers never owned an iPod. 30% never bought an Apple product before. Now that's intersting. 10% of public agrees with Jeff (I'm suprised the number is that high). Wow. You went from iPhone buyers to public in only a few lines. That's almost honest! For something that you had to camp out to get, pay $500-600 and commit to a $1500 contract, you'd better be satisfied, even if you're not. Herr Doctor, I don't doubt the coolness of the iPhone's design and functionality, I just don't get off on endless hype from marketing trolls and pack mentality journalists. If you bought one and are happy with your purchase, I'm happy for you too. With that said, if you were my financial advisor, I'd fire you. We get it. It's cool. It does neat tricks. It impresses your friends and makes your enemies jealous. It might even get you laid. We *really* do get it. Now shut the f### up about it already. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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We get it. It's cool. It does neat tricks. It impresses your friends and makes your enemies jealous. It might even get you laid. We *really* do get it. Now shut the f### up about it already. Jeff sure hates it when the world becomes a better place and does not want to hear about it. I'm sure he chortles at the thought of all the poor Vista upgraders whose computers went poof. This one's for Jeff... http://youtube.com/watch?v=JOhUVrF7FZo BTW the user in the video is Chris Pirillo, founder of the Lockergnome technology portal and columnist for CPU magazine. So he is no dummy. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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My Vista came on the new HP Notebook that I recently bought, and it works just fine! No complaints! In fact, I rather like it. Bart - Original Message - From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything? We get it. It's cool. It does neat tricks. It impresses your friends and makes your enemies jealous. It might even get you laid. We *really* do get it. Now shut the f### up about it already. Jeff sure hates it when the world becomes a better place and does not want to hear about it. I'm sure he chortles at the thought of all the poor Vista upgraders whose computers went poof. This one's for Jeff... http://youtube.com/watch?v=JOhUVrF7FZo BTW the user in the video is Chris Pirillo, founder of the Lockergnome technology portal and columnist for CPU magazine. So he is no dummy. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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My phone is cooler than yours Jeff, and it helps me save/make money. I have an iPhone. It does the following for me, and my business seamlessly: 1. Make conference calls on the first attempt without embarrassing myself by losing one of the callers. 2. Send and receive SMS messages easily and quickly 3. Read my email in a manner similar to what I would expect from a desktop mail app. 4. Access websites with a real web browser, not a crippled phone browser. 5. Use Google maps for directions, traffic conditions, and locating services. 6. Go directly to voicemail that is important to me, bypassing messages that need to take a lower priority. It is not just cool, it is a productivity booster. After following you on various threads I have no choice but to lump you in with the many IT professionals who only want people to be productive up to the point where they might not need you anymore, then things become a bad idea. Mason Jeff Wright wrote: Herr Doctor, I don't doubt the coolness of the iPhone's design and functionality, I just don't get off on endless hype from marketing trolls and pack mentality journalists. If you bought one and are happy with your purchase, I'm happy for you too. With that said, if you were my financial advisor, I'd fire you. We get it. It's cool. It does neat tricks. It impresses your friends and makes your enemies jealous. It might even get you laid. We *really* do get it. Now shut the f### up about it already. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Mason--You don't need to justify it to me or confuse me with other people. Really. You. Don't. Please refer to the points in my previous post where I shared your happiness and noted my primary dislike of the whole situation. It's really very simple. I shouldn't have to spell it out, but I will: 1. As much as I dislike marketing trolls, I hate lap dog tech writers who jump at their command and live to hype the next big thing, for *months*. 2. It's poor way to spend money. YMMV. Go. Be happy and productive. I will continue to be simultaneously happy for you. When the price and restrictions drop and it ceases to be a drooling marketing orgy of Scrooge McDuck proportions, my skin will crawl less at the sight of one. Really. We get it. We really do. -Original Message- My phone is cooler than yours Jeff, and it helps me save/make money. I have an iPhone. It does the following for me, and my business seamlessly: 1. Make conference calls on the first attempt without embarrassing myself by losing one of the callers. 2. Send and receive SMS messages easily and quickly 3. Read my email in a manner similar to what I would expect from a desktop mail app. 4. Access websites with a real web browser, not a crippled phone browser. 5. Use Google maps for directions, traffic conditions, and locating services. 6. Go directly to voicemail that is important to me, bypassing messages that need to take a lower priority. It is not just cool, it is a productivity booster. After following you on various threads I have no choice but to lump you in with the many IT professionals who only want people to be productive up to the point where they might not need you anymore, then things become a bad idea. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Jeff sure hates it when the world becomes a better place and does not want to hear about it. By all means, tell me about it. I'll even ask questions and politely, yet convincingly, compliment you. After the 100th time that day, and it becomes clear that I don't share your almost sexual desire for this object, I will tell you to go far, far away, amongst other things. I'm sure he chortles at the thought of all the poor Vista upgraders whose computers went poof. Now, that's not a fair statement. You know I save my chortling solely for Mac users. BTW the user in the video is Chris Pirillo, founder of the Lockergnome technology portal and columnist for CPU magazine. So he is no dummy. Like Mason, you're confusing me with someone else. I never questioned anyone's intelligence, just their fiscal wisdom. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Quoting the Doctor, a woman after my own heart. Constance Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, as the seventh Dr. Who says, Time will tell. It always does. --Constance -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:22 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything? OK. Games, iChat, office apps--this is nice, and understandable. At least it's useful. Guess I don't see it as that much of a change. When one gets to a tipping point it does not take much of a change to produce a revolution. It is hard to spot the tipping point because the approach to the tipping point is just a bunch of small incremental changes. So what is the consequence of just one more small incremental change? Nothing, until you get to the tipping point. Laser printers + WYSIWYG turned the whole printing industry upside down. MP3 + hard drive in a small box turned the whole music industry upside down. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I don't see how this would be bad for the iPhone. If the FCC did force phone to open to any carrier, Apple's iPhone registration site would still be better than having to sign up with a sales person in a store. Apple would need to get agreements with other carriers and let customers select their carrier before they register the iPhone on the web. Carriers would be eager to do that. Apple makes their money on the phone, not the telephone service. They got advantages from ATT by agreeing to make them exclusive, but that could be a short term boost for Apple, getting them into the market more easily. It probably isn't necessary for long-term success. I do remember people saying much the same when Apple debuted the iPod a few years ago - too late to market, only one place to buy music, too expensive, too hard to add free pirated music... Now they own the MP3 market and Apple's model did change everything in the music market. Oh, and Apple's share price has gone up by about $100 since then. Mark Snyder -Original Message- It will probably take my lifetime, but the FCC would like to change this so that the Iphone would be portable on any GSM network. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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AT$T paid apple for the being able to offer the iPhone. As far as carriers being eager to get the iPhone, why did verizon pass on it? Also some of the features offered on the iPhone other carriers refuse to enable on their phones. Verizon for one is notorious for turning off the capabilities of the phones they offer. Apple goes with one carrier for the same reason OS X only runs on one standard piece of hardware, they can control the environment better and apparently give better service. Imagine the iPhone on three or four carriers, not all carriers would let you do the same things so Apple would have to create websites for each carrier detailing each carriers service for the iPhone instead of one clear iPhone page on the apple site. Mike On 7/11/07, Snyder, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see how this would be bad for the iPhone. If the FCC did force phone to open to any carrier, Apple's iPhone registration site would still be better than having to sign up with a sales person in a store. Apple would need to get agreements with other carriers and let customers select their carrier before they register the iPhone on the web. Carriers would be eager to do that. Apple makes their money on the phone, not the telephone service. They got advantages from ATT by agreeing to make them exclusive, but that could be a short term boost for Apple, getting them into the market more easily. It probably isn't necessary for long-term success. I do remember people saying much the same when Apple debuted the iPod a few years ago - too late to market, only one place to buy music, too expensive, too hard to add free pirated music... Now they own the MP3 market and Apple's model did change everything in the music market. Oh, and Apple's share price has gone up by about $100 since then. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Hooey. Apple would set minimum requirements for the carriers if the FCC required them to open it up. If the FCC required opening phones to any carrier, Verizon would not be able to pull their stunts. Since ATT paid Apple, I would bet the others would jump to meet Apple's requirements. Apple already controls the hardware and the software on the iPhone, so they don't need to limit it to one carrier any more than they care which company you use for internet access. Mark Snyder -Original Message- AT$T paid apple for the being able to offer the iPhone. As far as carriers being eager to get the iPhone, why did verizon pass on it? Also some of the features offered on the iPhone other carriers refuse to enable on their phones. Verizon for one is notorious for turning off the capabilities of the phones they offer. Apple goes with one carrier for the same reason OS X only runs on one standard piece of hardware, they can control the environment better and apparently give better service. Imagine the iPhone on three or four carriers, not all carriers would let you do the same things so Apple would have to create websites for each carrier detailing each carriers service for the iPhone instead of one clear iPhone page on the apple site. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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This is one area that really needs to change. In Europe you buy a phone, not cell phone service. Incoming calls are free. My brother is stationed over there right now. He was a little worried about getting a cell phone while over there. Once he got there a friend of his had a handful of phones to offer him. All he has to do is get a SIM card and recharge it every now and then and he is fine. Variety of reasons for it. 1.) Over here remember most cell companies are off shoots of Bell phone companies. Cells are a huge source of revenue and they want to squeeze every penny out of it. Also they make no money on handsets. Most are sold at a lose to entice you to the company. (Cell companies that are co-owned by landline companies are sources of revenue while the land-line usually is not nearly as profitable.) 2.) European cell companies (and many nations) are usually government owned and controlled monopolies. They make money no matter what. There are plenty more that I am not so up on, but it is a reality, domestic companies want to shield you from using services that may not be profitable to them so they disable and control what you can and cant do with your cell phone. Other nations control the phone service so they are not as profit conscious and allow other services to be used. Stewart At 08:34 AM 7/11/2007, you wrote: AT$T paid apple for the being able to offer the iPhone. As far as carriers being eager to get the iPhone, why did verizon pass on it? Also some of the features offered on the iPhone other carriers refuse to enable on their phones. Verizon for one is notorious for turning off the capabilities of the phones they offer. Apple goes with one carrier for the same reason OS X only runs on one standard piece of hardware, they can control the environment better and apparently give better service. Imagine the iPhone on three or four carriers, not all carriers would let you do the same things so Apple would have to create websites for each carrier detailing each carriers service for the iPhone instead of one clear iPhone page on the apple site. Mike Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I heard something similar. Someone told me the reason that Apple went with one carrier is that in this exclusive arrangement they could negotiate to ensure that the cellular service supported the functionality of the phone that Apple wanted/ needed. If Apple had made the iPhone available to all carriers the reverse would have happened ... Apple would have no bargaining power... the iPhone functionality would have had to conform to all the cell company's systems preferences so the iPhone would not have been substantially different from any other phone in a functional sense. ATT got something in exchange for something that Apple wanted. Does anyone know if and how ATT changed their cellular network to accommodate the iPhone? db mike wrote: AT$T paid apple for the being able to offer the iPhone. As far as carriers being eager to get the iPhone, why did verizon pass on it? Also some of the features offered on the iPhone other carriers refuse to enable on their phones. Verizon for one is notorious for turning off the capabilities of the phones they offer. Apple goes with one carrier for the same reason OS X only runs on one standard piece of hardware, they can control the environment better and apparently give better service. Imagine the iPhone on three or four carriers, not all carriers would let you do the same things so Apple would have to create websites for each carrier detailing each carriers service for the iPhone instead of one clear iPhone page on the apple site. Mike On 7/11/07, Snyder, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see how this would be bad for the iPhone. If the FCC did force phone to open to any carrier, Apple's iPhone registration site would still be better than having to sign up with a sales person in a store. Apple would need to get agreements with other carriers and let customers select their carrier before they register the iPhone on the web. Carriers would be eager to do that. Apple makes their money on the phone, not the telephone service. They got advantages from ATT by agreeing to make them exclusive, but that could be a short term boost for Apple, getting them into the market more easily. It probably isn't necessary for long-term success. I do remember people saying much the same when Apple debuted the iPod a few years ago - too late to market, only one place to buy music, too expensive, too hard to add free pirated music... Now they own the MP3 market and Apple's model did change everything in the music market. Oh, and Apple's share price has gone up by about $100 since then. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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That is the 64,000 question why would any Cell phone company turn it down? I do know that Verizon still uses CDMA so that may have been an obstacle. It could be Verizon wanted Apple to enable and use Verizons get it now technology or Verizons web partners, but who really knows? A Verizon official who was part of the planning, but the problem is none of them are talking. I just read that Apple's exclusivity agreement with ATT runs till 2012. That is a long time. Stewart At 03:14 PM 7/11/2007, you wrote: Then why did Verizon turn Apple down saying Apple was asking for too much? Adding 700,000 subscribers over a weekend is not something any company turns down lightly. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Correct but if you check them most of the stock is owned (or used to be) by some quasi government entity. Remember Savin? Majority owned by the province of Ontario (or was at one time) Bell Canada has an offer on the table to be bought by a Canadian Teachers pension group (Or another government pension group.) Many foreign countries see no problem mixing public with private at all. The competing telecoms do so only with the governments approval and also cooperation. Now understand I am not saying it is wrong it is the way they do it over there. Socialism is not evil. Capitalism is not evil. It is the way it gets used and manipulated that causes the problems. :-) Stewart At 03:40 PM 7/11/2007, you wrote: That may have been true years ago, but no longer. BT, Deutsche Telekom, France Telecom, Telecom Italia, Telekom Austria are all stock companies. Most European countries have dozens of competing telecom companies. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Too much could mean anything. You add that 700k in subscribers added is huge which it is, but verizon wouldn't know that the iphone would sell as such. Too much could have been forcing verizon to take off their logo...it could have been anything. You assume those changes verizon didn't want to do had to do with their network, it might have had to do with their business model which was talked about previously. Verizon may not have wanted to allow apple to be used as the portal to activate. Mike On 7/11/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From just what I've heard, AT$T had to make no changes. The things apple touted such as being able to listen to any msg in any order is possible on any network, they simply don't let you do it... Then why did Verizon turn Apple down saying Apple was asking for too much? Adding 700,000 subscribers over a weekend is not something any company turns down lightly. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Constance, Apple's business model for the iPhone - buy it at Apple or ATT, then activate and choose services at home or office - if they couple it with their user interfaces that many people love, is the change point. You can bet that Apple will provide technical assistance through their genius bar, and that also will help. Would it solve your cell phone issues? Maybe, maybe not. I am not suggesting the iPhone as a cure for your cell phone problems, as I am not sure I know what they are. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Thanks for the reply. My problem is not that I don't follow technology--I have to be pretty savvy about certain aspects of technology for my job, and for the job(s) I hope to get. It's that I get rather alarmed when I see overhyped products and exaggerated claims for technology that, in the business world, doesn't really do much for the users, but does a lot for the manufacturers and the corporations. EXAMPLE: I've spent many, many hours on websites and the phone lately, trying to track down, among other things, the answer to why my cellphone suddenly stopped working in critical parts of town. It took hours to finally get to a real human being who knew anything at all about my problem. I'm going to have to make the trek to the cellphone storefront, because it's clear that this is the only way I can get a straight answer about my problem; and even if the guy is wearing something that would make a used-car salesman blush, I'm sure he's going to look WONDERFUL. Does anybody really think that a cute new interface would have made my quest any easier? It's far more likely that it would have added new twists and turns to my search, and that it would have taken much longer to get to the help I needed. Technology is only as good as the companies that use it, and the purposes for which it is used. I have a sneaking suspicion that iPhone related technology will be used to make things convenient for the corporations--especially the phone service providers--not the customers. So far, phone service providers don't exactly inspire confidence. To quote Ernestine, the telephone operator: We don't care. We don't have to. We're the telephone company! And as for ordering other stuff: most people can wait until they get to a regular computer terminal to order something online; and a regular phone (cellphone or otherwise) will do quite nicely to order by phone. Good customer service impresses me; jargon and technological dodges don't. --Constance Warner -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Snyder, Mark Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:41 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything? Constance, the IDC article I posted was mostly about how the iPhone's home registration process would change things that are now ordered by sales people in stores. So you can buy it without sitting down with the one in the plaid pants, white shoes and belt. The article also explains that this will add efficiencies to the process that are expected to save costs to buyers and sellers. The iPhone is also a new configuration of the smart phone with improved user interfaces. I am afraid that unless you follow technology and the business of technology, this may not impress you. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Will someone translate this for me? As far as I can see, the iPhone doesn't do anything for the user that extant gadgets already do, only it does it a lot prettier and anywhere there's a really great wireless connection. It's also very expensive and only works with one phone carrier (which, incidentally, works very poorly in the national capitol area). Exactly how, please, is this revolutionary? I hear phrases about the iPhone bringing about an automated self-service ordering process which has deep implications for empowering different parts of the digital value chain allowing me, as a user, to activate or deactivate services on [my] own, which will bring about the utopia of affordable mass customization. Say WHAT It looks like the author is saying that the iPhone and similar gadgets will allow corporations to fire even more of their human staff, leaving customers to flounder in a hybrid voicemail/ internet hell (if we dare to ask for anything). And this while we're coping with a handheld device that probably requires a Visual Quick-Start Guide for the average user to actually make the thing work. Would someone please translate this whole BIG CHANGE thing into normal, non-business English? What does the iPhone do for us that current devices don't? How will our lives be different, today and tomorrow, because the iPhone exists? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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Tipping point? Tom, you have to stop sniffing the iPhone glue. The iPhone has a very nice interface, no question. But beyond that, no killer app; it's not doing anything that already isn't being done by other smart/cell phones and media players. It's clearly evolutionary, not the other thing. If you have to have *everything* in one package and just have the hots for ATT, then by all means, go nuts, get an iPhone. Once you can extract yourself from the noisy and sticky fog of the hype machine, then it will be clearer that the tipping point for mobile media and communications was long ago. A little thing called the Blackberry could be credited with that. When the iPhone gets a crack nickname attached to it, then you have something other than hype. You'll have a real product success and a network of loyal users. It doesn't today. Right now, the iPhone is the Paris Hilton of handhelds: famous for being famous. -Original Message- When one gets to a tipping point it does not take much of a change to produce a revolution. It is hard to spot the tipping point because the approach to the tipping point is just a bunch of small incremental changes. So what is the consequence of just one more small incremental change? Nothing, until you get to the tipping point. Laser printers + WYSIWYG turned the whole printing industry upside down. MP3 + hard drive in a small box turned the whole music industry upside down. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Article in USA today about the fact that when analog TV is gone the 700Mhz range will be auctioned off, and they will require open service by all participants. No locking in, controlling equipment options etc. It was mentioned that our Cell phone companies often disable options on Cell phones to lock folks into networks and content. The Iphone was one of those mentioned about being controlling. Oh on the Sprint thing. It was mentioned only 1000 customers got the velvet boot as it was called and this is out of 53,000,000 customers. This is an astronomically small percentage. (NPR Market Place) Stewart At 10:08 AM 7/9/2007, you wrote: Blackberry CEO Jim Balsillie spoke of the same thing in reference to the iphone weakening the power of the telcos to control the food chain...sounds good to me weakening the entire cell phone industries hold on us. Mike On 7/9/07, Snyder, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The analysts at IDC say that Apple's iPhone has already changed the business model with their online signup (First paragraph pasted below). I could not add a decent link, since IDC requires membership (www.IDC.com), but they discuss opportunities for both business and for customers by bypassing the sales person business model. iPhone Activation Model: Big Implications for Mass Customization Mark Winther July 06, 2007 Largely unrecognized in the post iDay mania, iPhone is a radical departure in communications industry customer interaction. Before iPhone, mobile phone transactions are primarily an in-store experience. With iPhone, ATT and Apple have applied the e-commerce technology of Synchronoss Technologies to create an automated self-service ordering process. After iPhone, the automated order processes has deep implications for empowering different parts of the digital value chain. When users can activate or de-activate services on their own without a retail store visit, the cost-to-service drops dramatically, business models become very fluid, and affordable mass customization come within reach. Thank you, Mark Snyder * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Tipping point? Tom, you have to stop sniffing the iPhone glue. Thanks Jeff. Now I know I'm right. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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LOL Tom, if you are right, at least you have a lot of company in the technical press. On 7/10/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tipping point? Tom, you have to stop sniffing the iPhone glue. Thanks Jeff. Now I know I'm right. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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The iPhone is pretty, but it's much too expensive for my budget; and ATT has by reputation the WORST record of coverage of the national capitol area of any of the major carriers. (I checked.) Since coverage is one of my two main issues at the moment, I guess the iPhone is not for me. --Constance On Jul 10, 2007, at 6:42 AM, Snyder, Mark wrote: Constance, Apple's business model for the iPhone - buy it at Apple or ATT, then activate and choose services at home or office - if they couple it with their user interfaces that many people love, is the change point. You can bet that Apple will provide technical assistance through their genius bar, and that also will help. Would it solve your cell phone issues? Maybe, maybe not. I am not suggesting the iPhone as a cure for your cell phone problems, as I am not sure I know what they are. Thank you, Mark Snyder * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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It will probably take my lifetime, but the FCC would like to change this so that the Iphone would be portable on any GSM network. Stewart At 08:18 PM 7/10/2007, you wrote: The iPhone is pretty, but it's much too expensive for my budget; and ATT has by reputation the WORST record of coverage of the national capitol area of any of the major carriers. (I checked.) Since coverage is one of my two main issues at the moment, I guess the iPhone is not for me. --Constance Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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The analysts at IDC say that Apple's iPhone has already changed the business model with their online signup (First paragraph pasted below). I could not add a decent link, since IDC requires membership (www.IDC.com), but they discuss opportunities for both business and for customers by bypassing the sales person business model. iPhone Activation Model: Big Implications for Mass Customization Mark Winther July 06, 2007 Largely unrecognized in the post iDay mania, iPhone is a radical departure in communications industry customer interaction. Before iPhone, mobile phone transactions are primarily an in-store experience. With iPhone, ATT and Apple have applied the e-commerce technology of Synchronoss Technologies to create an automated self-service ordering process. After iPhone, the automated order processes has deep implications for empowering different parts of the digital value chain. When users can activate or de-activate services on their own without a retail store visit, the cost-to-service drops dramatically, business models become very fluid, and affordable mass customization come within reach. Thank you, Mark Snyder * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Blackberry CEO Jim Balsillie spoke of the same thing in reference to the iphone weakening the power of the telcos to control the food chain...sounds good to me weakening the entire cell phone industries hold on us. Mike On 7/9/07, Snyder, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The analysts at IDC say that Apple's iPhone has already changed the business model with their online signup (First paragraph pasted below). I could not add a decent link, since IDC requires membership (www.IDC.com), but they discuss opportunities for both business and for customers by bypassing the sales person business model. iPhone Activation Model: Big Implications for Mass Customization Mark Winther July 06, 2007 Largely unrecognized in the post iDay mania, iPhone is a radical departure in communications industry customer interaction. Before iPhone, mobile phone transactions are primarily an in-store experience. With iPhone, ATT and Apple have applied the e-commerce technology of Synchronoss Technologies to create an automated self-service ordering process. After iPhone, the automated order processes has deep implications for empowering different parts of the digital value chain. When users can activate or de-activate services on their own without a retail store visit, the cost-to-service drops dramatically, business models become very fluid, and affordable mass customization come within reach. Thank you, Mark Snyder * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Tog (asktog.com) is often a harsh critic of user interfaces (and Apple)... The iPhone really is a study in delight. It really is wonderful that, in an industry rife with companies striving for mediocrity, one company is still doing things right. Those of us who flocked to Apple in the beginning did so not to build computers, but to change the world. Apple is once again doing just that. Apple is now entering the consumer electronics world, where the lackluster attitude of we'll fix it in the next release is not good enough. The iPhone proves they are more than ready. -- Thomas Piwowar - Thomas J. Piwowar Associates, Inc. electronic publishing training and consulting 1710 Rhode Island Ave NW - Washington DC - 20036 V:202-223-6813 - Fx:202-223-5059 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.tjpa.com -- * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I'm so used to doing most of my business over the internet. So I was quite annoyed to discover that the cell phone vendors are so focused on getting us into their stores. Many times after a frustrating on-line experience I found myself trekking to the store to make a simple transaction. Largely unrecognized in the post iDay mania, iPhone is a radical departure in communications industry customer interaction. Before iPhone, mobile phone transactions are primarily an in-store experience. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Cell phone vendors are still into selling services and add-ons to their phones. I change phones every year or so, and buy my own, so therefore I do not want to have to go to the storeand activate as I feel with the sophistication on line we should be able to so and so on line. Well half the time I have had to go into the store pay a fee for what I think I can do. The reason they will not let me activate on line? So they can try and sell me a Data plan or a message plan to make extra revenue! Stewart At 01:40 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote: I'm so used to doing most of my business over the internet. So I was quite annoyed to discover that the cell phone vendors are so focused on getting us into their stores. Many times after a frustrating on-line experience I found myself trekking to the store to make a simple transaction. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I really hate to be a wet blanket, but the iPhone just isn't going to change anything that wasn't already in the process of changing. Wired has a story about new software the iPhone has inspired. http://www.wired.com/software/softwarereviews/news/2007/07/iphone_webapps One you can view from your computer is www.gasapp.com This is exactly what I was thinking of. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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OK. Games, iChat, office apps--this is nice, and understandable. At least it's useful. Guess I don't see it as that much of a change. The hype on the iPhone is getting to be annoying. It's hard to see how ANYTHING can live up to that much hype. --Constance Warner -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:48 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything? I really hate to be a wet blanket, but the iPhone just isn't going to change anything that wasn't already in the process of changing. Wired has a story about new software the iPhone has inspired. http://www.wired.com/software/softwarereviews/news/2007/07/iphone_webapp s One you can view from your computer is www.gasapp.com This is exactly what I was thinking of. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Constance, the IDC article I posted was mostly about how the iPhone's home registration process would change things that are now ordered by sales people in stores. So you can buy it without sitting down with the one in the plaid pants, white shoes and belt. The article also explains that this will add efficiencies to the process that are expected to save costs to buyers and sellers. The iPhone is also a new configuration of the smart phone with improved user interfaces. I am afraid that unless you follow technology and the business of technology, this may not impress you. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Will someone translate this for me? As far as I can see, the iPhone doesn't do anything for the user that extant gadgets already do, only it does it a lot prettier and anywhere there's a really great wireless connection. It's also very expensive and only works with one phone carrier (which, incidentally, works very poorly in the national capitol area). Exactly how, please, is this revolutionary? I hear phrases about the iPhone bringing about an automated self-service ordering process which has deep implications for empowering different parts of the digital value chain allowing me, as a user, to activate or deactivate services on [my] own, which will bring about the utopia of affordable mass customization. Say WHAT It looks like the author is saying that the iPhone and similar gadgets will allow corporations to fire even more of their human staff, leaving customers to flounder in a hybrid voicemail/ internet hell (if we dare to ask for anything). And this while we're coping with a handheld device that probably requires a Visual Quick-Start Guide for the average user to actually make the thing work. Would someone please translate this whole BIG CHANGE thing into normal, non-business English? What does the iPhone do for us that current devices don't? How will our lives be different, today and tomorrow, because the iPhone exists? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Thanks for the reply. My problem is not that I don't follow technology--I have to be pretty savvy about certain aspects of technology for my job, and for the job(s) I hope to get. It's that I get rather alarmed when I see overhyped products and exaggerated claims for technology that, in the business world, doesn't really do much for the users, but does a lot for the manufacturers and the corporations. EXAMPLE: I've spent many, many hours on websites and the phone lately, trying to track down, among other things, the answer to why my cellphone suddenly stopped working in critical parts of town. It took hours to finally get to a real human being who knew anything at all about my problem. I'm going to have to make the trek to the cellphone storefront, because it's clear that this is the only way I can get a straight answer about my problem; and even if the guy is wearing something that would make a used-car salesman blush, I'm sure he's going to look WONDERFUL. Does anybody really think that a cute new interface would have made my quest any easier? It's far more likely that it would have added new twists and turns to my search, and that it would have taken much longer to get to the help I needed. Technology is only as good as the companies that use it, and the purposes for which it is used. I have a sneaking suspicion that iPhone related technology will be used to make things convenient for the corporations--especially the phone service providers--not the customers. So far, phone service providers don't exactly inspire confidence. To quote Ernestine, the telephone operator: We don't care. We don't have to. We're the telephone company! And as for ordering other stuff: most people can wait until they get to a regular computer terminal to order something online; and a regular phone (cellphone or otherwise) will do quite nicely to order by phone. Good customer service impresses me; jargon and technological dodges don't. --Constance Warner -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Snyder, Mark Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:41 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything? Constance, the IDC article I posted was mostly about how the iPhone's home registration process would change things that are now ordered by sales people in stores. So you can buy it without sitting down with the one in the plaid pants, white shoes and belt. The article also explains that this will add efficiencies to the process that are expected to save costs to buyers and sellers. The iPhone is also a new configuration of the smart phone with improved user interfaces. I am afraid that unless you follow technology and the business of technology, this may not impress you. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Will someone translate this for me? As far as I can see, the iPhone doesn't do anything for the user that extant gadgets already do, only it does it a lot prettier and anywhere there's a really great wireless connection. It's also very expensive and only works with one phone carrier (which, incidentally, works very poorly in the national capitol area). Exactly how, please, is this revolutionary? I hear phrases about the iPhone bringing about an automated self-service ordering process which has deep implications for empowering different parts of the digital value chain allowing me, as a user, to activate or deactivate services on [my] own, which will bring about the utopia of affordable mass customization. Say WHAT It looks like the author is saying that the iPhone and similar gadgets will allow corporations to fire even more of their human staff, leaving customers to flounder in a hybrid voicemail/ internet hell (if we dare to ask for anything). And this while we're coping with a handheld device that probably requires a Visual Quick-Start Guide for the average user to actually make the thing work. Would someone please translate this whole BIG CHANGE thing into normal, non-business English? What does the iPhone do for us that current devices don't? How will our lives be different, today and tomorrow, because the iPhone exists? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing
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OK. Games, iChat, office apps--this is nice, and understandable. At least it's useful. Guess I don't see it as that much of a change. When one gets to a tipping point it does not take much of a change to produce a revolution. It is hard to spot the tipping point because the approach to the tipping point is just a bunch of small incremental changes. So what is the consequence of just one more small incremental change? Nothing, until you get to the tipping point. Laser printers + WYSIWYG turned the whole printing industry upside down. MP3 + hard drive in a small box turned the whole music industry upside down. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Well, as the seventh Dr. Who says, Time will tell. It always does. --Constance -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:22 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything? OK. Games, iChat, office apps--this is nice, and understandable. At least it's useful. Guess I don't see it as that much of a change. When one gets to a tipping point it does not take much of a change to produce a revolution. It is hard to spot the tipping point because the approach to the tipping point is just a bunch of small incremental changes. So what is the consequence of just one more small incremental change? Nothing, until you get to the tipping point. Laser printers + WYSIWYG turned the whole printing industry upside down. MP3 + hard drive in a small box turned the whole music industry upside down. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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This offering has more promise for change in my mind http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/05/technology/circuits/05pogue.html?_r=1oref=slogin David Pogue - [quote] It's called T-Mobile HotSpot @Home, and it's absolutely ingenious. It could save you hundreds or thousands of dollars a year, and yet enrich T-Mobile at the same time. In the cellphone world, win-win plays like that are extremely rare. Here's the basic idea. If you're willing to pay $10 a month on top of a regular T-Mobile voice plan, you get a special cellphone. When you're out and about, it works like any other phone; calls eat up your monthly minutes as usual. But when it's in a Wi-Fi wireless Internet hot spot, this phone offers a huge bargain: all your calls are free. You use it and dial it the same as always — you still get call hold, caller ID, three-way calling and all the other features — but now your voice is carried by the Internet rather than the cellular airwaves. These phones hand off your calls from Wi-Fi network to cell network seamlessly and automatically, without a single crackle or pop to punctuate the switch. As you walk out of a hot spot, fewer and fewer Wi-Fi signal bars appear on the screen, until — blink! — the T-Mobile network bars replace them. (The handoff as you move in the opposite direction, from the cell network into a hot spot, is also seamless, but takes slightly longer, about a minute.) [/quote] -- When you were born you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die the world cries and you rejoice. - Anon * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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If going to the store front really helps I'll eat my phone. Now clearly, I *hope* it does help you...but I've been to too many store fronts to have much faith in it helping you. Mike On 7/9/07, Constance Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to have to make the trek to the cellphone storefront, because it's clear that this is the only way I can get a straight answer about my problem; and even if the guy is wearing something that would make a used-car salesman blush, I'm sure he's going to look WONDERFUL. Does anybody really think that a cute new interface would have made my quest any easier? It's far more likely that it would have added new twists and turns to my search, and that it would have taken much longer to get to the help I needed. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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At 5:05 PM -0400 7/9/07, Constance Warner wrote: EXAMPLE: I've spent many, many hours on websites and the phone lately, trying to track down, among other things, the answer to why my cellphone suddenly stopped working in critical parts of town. This is a standard business question. It will take an additional investment of capital to make the signal strength in that area high enough to make your cell phone work. The business person answers your question with these three questions: 1. If I make that investment, will I make enough money to recover my investment in a reasonable amount of time, and then go on to make a profit? 2. If I don't make that investment, will I lose money? 3. If I make an alternative investment, will I make more money or lose less money than by making the investment that you want me to make? Obviously if the answers point to making more money or not losing as much money, then you'll get your new antennas. If not, ... * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Well if it keeps me from asking directions, where do I buy one!?! Mason Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My family and I were at Stone Harbor, NJ this week, and my wife got hit with a putt-putt golf club. She needed stitches, or so I suspected. I opened the phone, went to maps and looked up Stone Harbor. Once that came up(seconds), I searched for Hospital. In a few seconds I had a map with the hospitals. It saved us time: a) finding out where they were and b) getting directions. The maps provided on the phone will also show traffic conditions by clicking on a little car on the bottom right-hand corner of the map. I think it is very well done and will put a lot of Garmins in the discount bins when they add GPS. Mason Tom Piwowar wrote: How much can you do with an interface limited by the physical size of a cell phone? Even if you were using voice recognition, you would need privacy (and probably a place to sit) why is this any different from laptops. And why would you say that smart phones are driving web-apps? I think Apple's calamari demo is a good case. Google maps are great, but are not available at the location where they would have the most value. I tried pre-loading maps into my Palm, but that was not particularly convenient -- printing out was far more useful. But then before leaving on a trip I would spend an hour printing maps of the route and enlargements of the tricky parts. Even then we got lost more than once and my printed maps were useless. On the road I had no access to directions on demand. The calamari demo shows maps as they ought to be. Maps can't be the only service of this type that woule be useful. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Thart's right. Previously the inability of hardware to display pages in an effective manner gave Web developers little incentive. Cell providers also severely restricted access (my cell phone is locked to only access CNN, ABC, and ESPN). The iPhone opens the flood gates. I just hope that ATT will respond to the flood of new revenue by spending some of it on upgrading their network. Because for the first time it starts to make sense to use a smart phone to access internet applications. Smart phones are becoming ever more powerful/capable. Web developers want to target these users now. Smart phones are more portable than laptops and they are designed to be used while moving about. Apple's iPhone brings the possibilities into greater focus, and it will only be improved (and get more competition). See why this will drive web apps into new stuff? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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There is a japanese maker I believe that is working on putting a projector into a cell phone and they are not far off. Mike On 7/6/07, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One person said, approximately, This will finally make use of my 52 cell phone screen. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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The drive to make laptops and notebooks smaller has reached it's limit for the older age group. Too small and they become useless I was just looking to upgrade my cell phone. I found all the models in the store had smaller and thinner type that was painful to decipher. So I guess I'm stuck with my old cell phone. With Apple I'm depending on a left-handed CEO with declining eyesight to intervene on my behalf. Youngsters do complain that some aspects of OS X are too big. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Score one for the over 50 crowd!!! Stewart At 02:43 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote: With Apple I'm depending on a left-handed CEO with declining eyesight to intervene on my behalf. Youngsters do complain that some aspects of OS X are too big. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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That is one of the reasons I do not want to go to a flat panel display for my home system. I have a 19 CRT that I keep at 800x600 so I can see without straining. Most of the flat panels have a much high resolution native and would shrink what is displayed. Stewart At 02:43 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote: I was just looking to upgrade my cell phone. I found all the models in the store had smaller and thinner type that was painful to decipher. So I guess I'm stuck with my old cell phone. With Apple I'm depending on a left-handed CEO with declining eyesight to intervene on my behalf. Youngsters do complain that some aspects of OS X are too big. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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The maps on the iphone aren't going to be particularly good either. With a GPS enabled cell phones however the map feature becomes very useful. Hopefully apple will add this to the feature set. Must be remembered, this is a 1.0 release, and from reports a good one...ver 2 I believe will be very interesting. Mike On 7/6/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much can you do with an interface limited by the physical size of a cell phone? Even if you were using voice recognition, you would need privacy (and probably a place to sit) why is this any different from laptops. And why would you say that smart phones are driving web-apps? I think Apple's calamari demo is a good case. Google maps are great, but are not available at the location where they would have the most value. I tried pre-loading maps into my Palm, but that was not particularly convenient -- printing out was far more useful. But then before leaving on a trip I would spend an hour printing maps of the route and enlargements of the tricky parts. Even then we got lost more than once and my printed maps were useless. On the road I had no access to directions on demand. The calamari demo shows maps as they ought to be. Maps can't be the only service of this type that woule be useful. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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My family and I were at Stone Harbor, NJ this week, and my wife got hit with a putt-putt golf club. She needed stitches, or so I suspected. I opened the phone, went to maps and looked up Stone Harbor. Once that came up(seconds), I searched for Hospital. In a few seconds I had a map with the hospitals. It saved us time: a) finding out where they were and b) getting directions. The maps provided on the phone will also show traffic conditions by clicking on a little car on the bottom right-hand corner of the map. I think it is very well done and will put a lot of Garmins in the discount bins when they add GPS. Mason Tom Piwowar wrote: How much can you do with an interface limited by the physical size of a cell phone? Even if you were using voice recognition, you would need privacy (and probably a place to sit) why is this any different from laptops. And why would you say that smart phones are driving web-apps? I think Apple's calamari demo is a good case. Google maps are great, but are not available at the location where they would have the most value. I tried pre-loading maps into my Palm, but that was not particularly convenient -- printing out was far more useful. But then before leaving on a trip I would spend an hour printing maps of the route and enlargements of the tricky parts. Even then we got lost more than once and my printed maps were useless. On the road I had no access to directions on demand. The calamari demo shows maps as they ought to be. Maps can't be the only service of this type that woule be useful. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything?
I don't think the iPhone will change anything that isn't already pretty far along in the process of changing (such as the 24/7 on-call status of a lot of workers in today's economy). The iPhone is very pretty, of course, and it's got cachet at the moment; but I'm not sure it does anything critical that existing devices don't do. It just does it in full color with a touch-screen. It's the latest in a series of high-status items, possession of which indicates that the owner is cool, is important, and is one of the people who count. Most people can't afford such status markers, and it's a strain on the budget when having them becomes a requirement of doing business. (Have you looked at the cost of a Blackberry and a monthly subscription, for example? And that on top of a cellphone bill, which is pretty much a necessity for a lot of people in a lot of jobs.) --Constance Warner * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: Smart phones that can access on-demand Web-based applications have the potential to reshape the business landscape forever. This isn't just about the iPhone. Information-technology departments are already supporting BlackBerrys and other smart phones. These devices will get better as manufacturers try to fend off Apple. There is an ever-increasing number of Web applications and a rising demand for these handheld Internet access devices. We may soon be seeing a real, fundamental shift in the way workers work. Are you ready? iPhone is said to be running the complete OSX. Perhaps, it is the OSX kernel + a stripped down set of apps. Does anyone here know? In a perfect world, I'd like to dream of ... The handheld devices that have a standard set of dock interfaces. The docking station can provide it a full screen, a keyboard, wired broadband, speakers, etc. The handheld provides the full OS + apps + data. So, you carry around your entire machine in your pocket and whenever you want to use it as a full desktop with __your__ OS, apps, data, etc., just plug it into the nearest docking stating. In other words, any application or content that you purchase, therefore licensed only to your device, is now available to you anywhere anytime the way _you_ like it. When you want to use the handheld as a mobile device, you can again use it that way (ie phone, music player, etc.). Until this standardization comes around, I think, a whole new set of gadgets and apps will spring up for the iPhone to use it, as much as it can, like a full featured computer. A lot of the handhelds these days run various other OSes (mostly stripped down versions) like Linux, Windows CE, plus Java. So, what's needed is a standard to allow the consumers to pick a device they like, then pick the OS they like, etc. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Steve, I agree with your observations. I do, however, appreciate the honesty of the phrase on-demand. We all know that the less aggressive upon request would really mean on-demand. I feel the same about the term human resources, which accurately depicts workers as something to be used up, discarded, and replaced (if possible, by cheaper or even non-human resources). We could think of more pleasant terms, but at least there's no hiding the underlying philosophy with on-demand and human resources. Jeff Myers -Original Message- From: Steve Rigby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Will the iPhone Change Everything? And, who was it who dreamed up the term on-demand. Why not something a little kinder and gentler, such as upon request? Why the petulant and obnoxious tone? Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Must be something on the user end...I hear human resources and do not think at all of something to be used up and tossed. As for 'on demand', I always assumed it was a term being applied to for example demanding a ppv movie, no human involvement, just a person 'demanding' a computer do something. I'm not sure I care if I demand a computer do something. This reminds of that non issue from several years ago about complaints about calling HD's 'slave' and 'master'. More important things to worry about. Mike On 7/4/07, Myers, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: feel the same about the term human resources, which accurately depicts workers as something to be used up, discarded, and replaced (if possible, by cheaper or even non-human resources). We could think of more pleasant terms, but at least there's no hiding the underlying philosophy with on-demand and human resources. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Smart phones that can access on-demand Web-based applications have the potential to reshape the business landscape forever. This isn't just about the iPhone. Information-technology departments are already supporting BlackBerrys and other smart phones. These devices will get better as manufacturers try to fend off Apple. There is an ever-increasing number of Web applications and a rising demand for these handheld Internet access devices. We may soon be seeing a real, fundamental shift in the way workers work. Are you ready? Cell phones have already changed the way in which many workers work, although not for the benefit of the employee. Many a blue collar worker is now expected to be on 24 hour a day standby because of the ability to use mobile phones as a virtual noose around the neck. The Nextel system is especially popular as a tool to keep workers on call at almost any time of the day, never being able to fully escape the grasp of their employer, not even on their own time. The employer will provide the phone as a virtual umbilical cord to the company, and in many cases if the employee does not respond when the phone rings, they can lose their job. Will the use of internet access ratchet this up yet another notch? White collar workers are not exempt from the noose around the neck syndrome either. Plenty of companies require their employees, even if on vacation, to use that phone or internet access to check in with the office daily, often to be handed work to do. So much for time off in many instances. And, who was it who dreamed up the term on-demand. Why not something a little kinder and gentler, such as upon request? Why the petulant and obnoxious tone? Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
