Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-30 Thread Sue Cubic

At 10:30 PM 08/29/2007 -0400, John DeCarlo wrote

Sue,

I am pretty sure there is no way in Yahoo groups to directly add people.


At the very bottom of the invite page, click on Add members from an 
existing email list.  You can just add one member if you like, or 
several--there is a top limit but I've forgotten how many.  This is kinda 
hidden, as it easy to abuse such a function.  I direct-add people who just 
can't seem to figure out how to get themselves on the list.  I *do* make 
them try, though.  Moderators of family lists often direct-add the old 
aunties. :)


I prefer to steer them through joining from the web site.  If they do not 
already have a YahooID and password, Yahoo walks them through all that 
automatically.  Saves a lot of hassle the first time they want to view 
photos or files (which you can't do without a YahooID).


This is the message that I send out to blind email requests to join:
***
To join xxx, go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/x/ (this would be the URL of your 
Group Home page)


Click on the button that says:  Join This Group!

Please give your reasons for wanting to join this group, plus your name and 
general location.





I like your suggested work around of inviting people who you see in the
email request queue.  You can put in a note that this is part of your double
opt-in approach g.


I'd guess 80% of applicants put enough info in the original application to 
satisfy me that they are not spammers.  The ones who don't, I contact 
privately.  I do not send invites in these circumstances...I save their 
initial request and approve that if and when I hear back from them.  If you 
send an invite, they can join immediately without sending any info.  This 
might work fine for you, though, if you know all of your potential members.


I would guess, in your case, that an applicant's street address might be 
required?  In my case, on my international list, I simply ask for general 
location (country, area, etc), and find that people don't resist so much 
if you don't ask for actual address.  On my closed list (which involves 
volunteers in the family court), I am provided a list of those who qualify 
from the head of the organization, and I will send invites to those 
folks.  This is simply a courtesy, as list membership is required in the 
organization.  I *could* direct-add them.


The *purpose* of email lists should be the deciding factor as to how you 
control (or don't) memberships.


Sue



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Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-30 Thread Sue Cubic

At 12:06 AM 08/30/2007 -0400, Alvin Auerbach wrote

Sue,

Potential members -- let's say potential households instead: 1300. We have 
a newsletter which we publish about 3 or 4 times per year in which stress 
the importance of joining the group.


I would use some variation on the message I just posted, and print that in 
the newsletter.  A great share of the 1700+ members on my international 
list join because the list owner is a monthly contributing author to an 
industry magazine.  The info to join the list is in the footer of all of 
her articles.



I want and need the Yahoo machinery to do its work, and keep my work at a 
minimum. I feel overloaded already. :(


Yes, and there is no reason not to.  IF they attempt to join through the 
website info that you publish in your newsletter (hopefully most of them 
will apply in that manner), and provide the info you need the first time 
around, then you can just approve the member through email and be done.


There are a couple of really good list management lists that you can join 
if you're interested.  Contact me privately for details if you'd like.


Sue



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Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-29 Thread Tony B
That just bears out what I said. We show 267 active members (out of
868), and in the month of July there were 4,308 posts!

Of course, that doesn't count the shoutbox or chatroom or PMs.


On 8/29/07, Alvin Auerbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tony, thanks for your reply. We currently have over 340 members, with
 over 240 messages in July. A few members have dropped out due to the
 deluge, there's been a few flames, but mostly we don't have
 problems, except for the Yahoo software.

 Alvin

 I've never had that specific problem, but my Yahoo account has been
 hacked twice making it impossible for me to do ANY moderating on my
 list for long periods.
 
 I didn't think AOL did public groups. The alternative is Google Groups
 I believe. I'm only in one; they seem the same.
 
 I run a neighborhood web forum up here in WV, and IMHO free mailing
 lists are not a great way to engender a sense of community. Maybe with
 10-20 people, but once you start getting more nobody can handle the
 deluge of email. Unless nobody talks about anything.



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Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Here is a problem I run into that is not really Yahoogroups problem.

Every now and then my ISP (earthlink) just drops emails.  I mean they 
drop them, I don't get them and they go into the etherworld. (This 
happened with a few important notifications for payments I receive 
for a couple of accounts.)


I also cannot set my charter addresses as alternatives to Yahoogroups 
as Charter will not let their authorization email into the system.


I am not sure where the problem lies, but I suspect it is because 
yahoogroups mail is often tagged as spam by some major spam filters 
and it it just gets filtered out.


This might be a good reason to switch to Googlegroups, but they are 
not without problems either.


Stewart


At 08:53 AM 8/29/2007, you wrote:
Stewart, thanks for your reply. I've always had all of those boxes 
checked. On receipt of your message, I went back and looked at them, 
and they're still checked.


I think that I'm getting notified if an application makes it to 
Pending, and anyhow I check Pending regardless of any notification. 
It's just that many applications for memberships just don't get from 
E-mail Commands to Pending!! And Yahoo doesn't seem to care!!


Alvin


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Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-29 Thread Kelly Morris
Alvin - I run two lists on YahooGroups, one with about 700 subscribers.

What has worked for me is to NOT moderate subscriptions but instead to moderate 
posts from all new members (I think that this lasts 6 months). When spammers 
and/or others who are inappropriate to the group post their first messages, I 
reject their message, unsusbscribe them, and then ban them.

Not exactly the highest-tech solution but it works for me and it might for you. 
Presumably, if someone outside your neighborhood subscribes, it's not  with the 
intention of lurking but rather of selling something, etc. and they will 
probably show themselves right away.

Good luck. Kelly



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Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-29 Thread Sue Cubic

At 04:29 PM 08/29/2007 +, Kelly Morris wrote

Alvin - I run two lists on YahooGroups, one with about 700 subscribers.

What has worked for me is to NOT moderate subscriptions but instead to 
moderate posts from all new members (I think that this lasts 6 months).


Moderating members lasts until the moderator changes the status of the 
member to unmoderated.  A moderator can change the status as soon as the 
membership appears, or leave it in place for as long as they want.


I've never had any known problems with pending messages or memberships 
showing up.  If I did, I'd probably set the list the same way you have.  As 
long as it works the way it's supposed to, I think it's easier to weed out 
spammers from the git-go.


Sue



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Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-29 Thread Alvin Auerbach
I know that the message gets to yahoo because it's listed in the 
email commands!




Here is a problem I run into that is not really Yahoogroups problem.

Every now and then my ISP (earthlink) just drops emails.  I mean 
they drop them, I don't get them and they go into the etherworld. 
(This happened with a few important notifications for payments I 
receive for a couple of accounts.)


I also cannot set my charter addresses as alternatives to 
Yahoogroups as Charter will not let their authorization email into 
the system.


I am not sure where the problem lies, but I suspect it is because 
yahoogroups mail is often tagged as spam by some major spam filters 
and it it just gets filtered out.


This might be a good reason to switch to Googlegroups, but they are 
not without problems either.


Stewart


At 08:53 AM 8/29/2007, you wrote:
Stewart, thanks for your reply. I've always had all of those boxes 
checked. On receipt of your message, I went back and looked at 
them, and they're still checked.


I think that I'm getting notified if an application makes it to 
Pending, and anyhow I check Pending regardless of any notification. 
It's just that many applications for memberships just don't get 
from E-mail Commands to Pending!! And Yahoo doesn't seem to 
care!!


Alvin


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Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-29 Thread Sue Cubic

At 08:06 PM 08/29/2007 -0400, Alvin Auerbach wrote
It's not that we want to control what people write, after they're in the 
group. We want to control who gets in to the group. So we need to approve 
or deny, so we need the request to go to Pending.


I understand--I have a closed group like that also.  How many potential 
members do you have?  How do the neighbors find out about the 
group?  Perhaps it would work to simply have them email you and you could 
send invites or even direct add them to your group?


Sue



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Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Yes there is, you have to know how Yahoo does it.

(Believe me they had me stumped too until the other moderator of our 
group caught it.)


Go to invite people just like you normally would.

Scroll down to the bottom.  It says,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daystar//group/daystar/subs_addAdd 
Members from an existing email list.


Click this and then you will do a direct add, however you are limited 
to how many times you can do this a day.


Stewart



At 09:30 PM 8/29/2007, you wrote:

Sue,

I am pretty sure there is no way in Yahoo groups to directly add people.

I like your suggested work around of inviting people who you see in the
email request queue.  You can put in a note that this is part of your double
opt-in approach g.

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own


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Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-29 Thread Alvin Auerbach

Sue,

Potential members -- let's say potential households instead: 1300. We 
have a newsletter which we publish about 3 or 4 times per year in 
which stress the importance of joining the group.


I want and need the Yahoo machinery to do its work, and keep my work 
at a minimum. I feel overloaded already. :(


Alvin



At 08:06 PM 08/29/2007 -0400, Alvin Auerbach wrote
It's not that we want to control what people write, after they're 
in the group. We want to control who gets in to the group. So we 
need to approve or deny, so we need the request to go to Pending.


I understand--I have a closed group like that also.  How many 
potential members do you have?  How do the neighbors find out about 
the group?  Perhaps it would work to simply have them email you and 
you could send invites or even direct add them to your group?


Sue




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Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-29 Thread Alvin Auerbach

Finally!! A reply from Yahoo!

This makes sense, so I guess that I'll stop worrying about it. If 
people want to join but don't follow the instructions there's nothing 
that I can do about it (except point it out to them).


Thanks everyone for your assistance.

Alvin

==Begin Message From Yahoo ==

Hello Alvin,

Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups.

We appreciate your patience, Alvin.

I have heard back from our engineers regarding your concerns about
potential members who have requested to join the group via email not
showing in the pending members section. Members who request to join via

email are sent a confirmation email asking them to confirm. Once this
email is returned, they will show up in pending. If they do not respond

to the confirmation, they will not show in pending.

I hope this has addressed your concerns. Please contact us again if you

have any further questions or concerns.

Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Groups.

Regards,

Gidget

==End Message From Yahoo ==


At 9:15 PM -0400 8/28/07, Alvin Auerbach wrote:

Part 1

Is anyone else a YahooGroups moderator in a group where the 
moderator must approve each applicant?


If so, have you had this [see below] problem, where the email 
request for membership is received by yahoo, but is not transferred 
to the Pending page, where a moderator can deal with it?


Have you complained?

What happened?

I have this problem over and over, and prospective members are 
angry, since they apply and are not approved.


Have you found some other way to get around the problem?

FAQ: Why do you want to approve each membership application?

Ans: The Group is for our neighborhood only, and we disapprove any 
applicant outside of our boundaries.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Part 2

Is AOL any better?

Is there a way to transition to AOL and not need to have all the 
members reapply?


Thanks,

Alvin


Begin Message to YahooGroups 
IT NEVER ENDS!!

The page
http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//logs?cat=cmds
shows
Aug 28, 2007 5:59 pm  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Membership requested via email

The page
http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//members?group=pending
does NOT show this request at Aug 28, 2007 8:35 pm

The page
http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//logs?cat=mod
does NOT show any activity regarding
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

CAN YOU PLEASE, PLEASE, MAKE THE YAHOOGROUPS SOFTWARE WORK?

Please advise.

Thank you,

Alvin
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[CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-28 Thread Alvin Auerbach

Part 1

Is anyone else a YahooGroups moderator in a group where the moderator 
must approve each applicant?


If so, have you had this [see below] problem, where the email request 
for membership is received by yahoo, but is not transferred to the 
Pending page, where a moderator can deal with it?


Have you complained?

What happened?

I have this problem over and over, and prospective members are angry, 
since they apply and are not approved.


Have you found some other way to get around the problem?

FAQ: Why do you want to approve each membership application?

Ans: The Group is for our neighborhood only, and we disapprove any 
applicant outside of our boundaries.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Part 2

Is AOL any better?

Is there a way to transition to AOL and not need to have all the 
members reapply?


Thanks,

Alvin


Begin Message to YahooGroups 
IT NEVER ENDS!!

The page
http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//logs?cat=cmds
shows
Aug 28, 2007 5:59 pm  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Membership requested via email

The page
http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//members?group=pending
does NOT show this request at Aug 28, 2007 8:35 pm

The page
http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//logs?cat=mod
does NOT show any activity regarding
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

CAN YOU PLEASE, PLEASE, MAKE THE YAHOOGROUPS SOFTWARE WORK?

Please advise.

Thank you,

Alvin
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Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-28 Thread Tony B
I've never had that specific problem, but my Yahoo account has been
hacked twice making it impossible for me to do ANY moderating on my
list for long periods.

I didn't think AOL did public groups. The alternative is Google Groups
I believe. I'm only in one; they seem the same.

I run a neighborhood web forum up here in WV, and IMHO free mailing
lists are not a great way to engender a sense of community. Maybe with
10-20 people, but once you start getting more nobody can handle the
deluge of email. Unless nobody talks about anything.



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Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help

2007-08-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

I moderate quite a few groups on Yahoo and I always get notified.'

Here are a couple of things to check.

Go into your group (Make sure you are logged on with your proper ID)

Click members, then click moderators.

Click the pencil looking thingy under your ID name (Yahoo)

This will get you into preferences for that email address.

Make sure that Notify this moderator when is checked.  There are 
three the top two need to be checked.


Then scroll down and there are a bunch of other boxes to make sure are checked.

when you are done click the box that says save changes.

I have two to three address that I have in my groups, one home, one 
work, and another backup.  I usually get notification on all of 
these, but I have gone in and set them up for this.


Stewart


At 08:15 PM 8/28/2007, you wrote:

Part 1

Is anyone else a YahooGroups moderator in a group where the 
moderator must approve each applicant?


If so, have you had this [see below] problem, where the email 
request for membership is received by yahoo, but is not transferred 
to the Pending page, where a moderator can deal with it?


Have you complained?

What happened?

I have this problem over and over, and prospective members are 
angry, since they apply and are not approved.


Have you found some other way to get around the problem?

FAQ: Why do you want to approve each membership application?

Ans: The Group is for our neighborhood only, and we disapprove any 
applicant outside of our boundaries.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Part 2

Is AOL any better?

Is there a way to transition to AOL and not need to have all the 
members reapply?


Thanks,

Alvin


Begin Message to YahooGroups 
IT NEVER ENDS!!

The page
http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//logs?cat=cmds
shows
Aug 28, 2007 5:59 pm  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Membership requested via email

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CAN YOU PLEASE, PLEASE, MAKE THE YAHOOGROUPS SOFTWARE WORK?

Please advise.

Thank you,

Alvin
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Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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