Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
At 10:30 PM 08/29/2007 -0400, John DeCarlo wrote Sue, I am pretty sure there is no way in Yahoo groups to directly add people. At the very bottom of the invite page, click on Add members from an existing email list. You can just add one member if you like, or several--there is a top limit but I've forgotten how many. This is kinda hidden, as it easy to abuse such a function. I direct-add people who just can't seem to figure out how to get themselves on the list. I *do* make them try, though. Moderators of family lists often direct-add the old aunties. :) I prefer to steer them through joining from the web site. If they do not already have a YahooID and password, Yahoo walks them through all that automatically. Saves a lot of hassle the first time they want to view photos or files (which you can't do without a YahooID). This is the message that I send out to blind email requests to join: *** To join xxx, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/x/ (this would be the URL of your Group Home page) Click on the button that says: Join This Group! Please give your reasons for wanting to join this group, plus your name and general location. I like your suggested work around of inviting people who you see in the email request queue. You can put in a note that this is part of your double opt-in approach g. I'd guess 80% of applicants put enough info in the original application to satisfy me that they are not spammers. The ones who don't, I contact privately. I do not send invites in these circumstances...I save their initial request and approve that if and when I hear back from them. If you send an invite, they can join immediately without sending any info. This might work fine for you, though, if you know all of your potential members. I would guess, in your case, that an applicant's street address might be required? In my case, on my international list, I simply ask for general location (country, area, etc), and find that people don't resist so much if you don't ask for actual address. On my closed list (which involves volunteers in the family court), I am provided a list of those who qualify from the head of the organization, and I will send invites to those folks. This is simply a courtesy, as list membership is required in the organization. I *could* direct-add them. The *purpose* of email lists should be the deciding factor as to how you control (or don't) memberships. Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
At 12:06 AM 08/30/2007 -0400, Alvin Auerbach wrote Sue, Potential members -- let's say potential households instead: 1300. We have a newsletter which we publish about 3 or 4 times per year in which stress the importance of joining the group. I would use some variation on the message I just posted, and print that in the newsletter. A great share of the 1700+ members on my international list join because the list owner is a monthly contributing author to an industry magazine. The info to join the list is in the footer of all of her articles. I want and need the Yahoo machinery to do its work, and keep my work at a minimum. I feel overloaded already. :( Yes, and there is no reason not to. IF they attempt to join through the website info that you publish in your newsletter (hopefully most of them will apply in that manner), and provide the info you need the first time around, then you can just approve the member through email and be done. There are a couple of really good list management lists that you can join if you're interested. Contact me privately for details if you'd like. Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
That just bears out what I said. We show 267 active members (out of 868), and in the month of July there were 4,308 posts! Of course, that doesn't count the shoutbox or chatroom or PMs. On 8/29/07, Alvin Auerbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony, thanks for your reply. We currently have over 340 members, with over 240 messages in July. A few members have dropped out due to the deluge, there's been a few flames, but mostly we don't have problems, except for the Yahoo software. Alvin I've never had that specific problem, but my Yahoo account has been hacked twice making it impossible for me to do ANY moderating on my list for long periods. I didn't think AOL did public groups. The alternative is Google Groups I believe. I'm only in one; they seem the same. I run a neighborhood web forum up here in WV, and IMHO free mailing lists are not a great way to engender a sense of community. Maybe with 10-20 people, but once you start getting more nobody can handle the deluge of email. Unless nobody talks about anything. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
Here is a problem I run into that is not really Yahoogroups problem. Every now and then my ISP (earthlink) just drops emails. I mean they drop them, I don't get them and they go into the etherworld. (This happened with a few important notifications for payments I receive for a couple of accounts.) I also cannot set my charter addresses as alternatives to Yahoogroups as Charter will not let their authorization email into the system. I am not sure where the problem lies, but I suspect it is because yahoogroups mail is often tagged as spam by some major spam filters and it it just gets filtered out. This might be a good reason to switch to Googlegroups, but they are not without problems either. Stewart At 08:53 AM 8/29/2007, you wrote: Stewart, thanks for your reply. I've always had all of those boxes checked. On receipt of your message, I went back and looked at them, and they're still checked. I think that I'm getting notified if an application makes it to Pending, and anyhow I check Pending regardless of any notification. It's just that many applications for memberships just don't get from E-mail Commands to Pending!! And Yahoo doesn't seem to care!! Alvin Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
Alvin - I run two lists on YahooGroups, one with about 700 subscribers. What has worked for me is to NOT moderate subscriptions but instead to moderate posts from all new members (I think that this lasts 6 months). When spammers and/or others who are inappropriate to the group post their first messages, I reject their message, unsusbscribe them, and then ban them. Not exactly the highest-tech solution but it works for me and it might for you. Presumably, if someone outside your neighborhood subscribes, it's not with the intention of lurking but rather of selling something, etc. and they will probably show themselves right away. Good luck. Kelly * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
At 04:29 PM 08/29/2007 +, Kelly Morris wrote Alvin - I run two lists on YahooGroups, one with about 700 subscribers. What has worked for me is to NOT moderate subscriptions but instead to moderate posts from all new members (I think that this lasts 6 months). Moderating members lasts until the moderator changes the status of the member to unmoderated. A moderator can change the status as soon as the membership appears, or leave it in place for as long as they want. I've never had any known problems with pending messages or memberships showing up. If I did, I'd probably set the list the same way you have. As long as it works the way it's supposed to, I think it's easier to weed out spammers from the git-go. Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
I know that the message gets to yahoo because it's listed in the email commands! Here is a problem I run into that is not really Yahoogroups problem. Every now and then my ISP (earthlink) just drops emails. I mean they drop them, I don't get them and they go into the etherworld. (This happened with a few important notifications for payments I receive for a couple of accounts.) I also cannot set my charter addresses as alternatives to Yahoogroups as Charter will not let their authorization email into the system. I am not sure where the problem lies, but I suspect it is because yahoogroups mail is often tagged as spam by some major spam filters and it it just gets filtered out. This might be a good reason to switch to Googlegroups, but they are not without problems either. Stewart At 08:53 AM 8/29/2007, you wrote: Stewart, thanks for your reply. I've always had all of those boxes checked. On receipt of your message, I went back and looked at them, and they're still checked. I think that I'm getting notified if an application makes it to Pending, and anyhow I check Pending regardless of any notification. It's just that many applications for memberships just don't get from E-mail Commands to Pending!! And Yahoo doesn't seem to care!! Alvin Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
At 08:06 PM 08/29/2007 -0400, Alvin Auerbach wrote It's not that we want to control what people write, after they're in the group. We want to control who gets in to the group. So we need to approve or deny, so we need the request to go to Pending. I understand--I have a closed group like that also. How many potential members do you have? How do the neighbors find out about the group? Perhaps it would work to simply have them email you and you could send invites or even direct add them to your group? Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
Yes there is, you have to know how Yahoo does it. (Believe me they had me stumped too until the other moderator of our group caught it.) Go to invite people just like you normally would. Scroll down to the bottom. It says, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daystar//group/daystar/subs_addAdd Members from an existing email list. Click this and then you will do a direct add, however you are limited to how many times you can do this a day. Stewart At 09:30 PM 8/29/2007, you wrote: Sue, I am pretty sure there is no way in Yahoo groups to directly add people. I like your suggested work around of inviting people who you see in the email request queue. You can put in a note that this is part of your double opt-in approach g. John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
Sue, Potential members -- let's say potential households instead: 1300. We have a newsletter which we publish about 3 or 4 times per year in which stress the importance of joining the group. I want and need the Yahoo machinery to do its work, and keep my work at a minimum. I feel overloaded already. :( Alvin At 08:06 PM 08/29/2007 -0400, Alvin Auerbach wrote It's not that we want to control what people write, after they're in the group. We want to control who gets in to the group. So we need to approve or deny, so we need the request to go to Pending. I understand--I have a closed group like that also. How many potential members do you have? How do the neighbors find out about the group? Perhaps it would work to simply have them email you and you could send invites or even direct add them to your group? Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
Finally!! A reply from Yahoo! This makes sense, so I guess that I'll stop worrying about it. If people want to join but don't follow the instructions there's nothing that I can do about it (except point it out to them). Thanks everyone for your assistance. Alvin ==Begin Message From Yahoo == Hello Alvin, Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups. We appreciate your patience, Alvin. I have heard back from our engineers regarding your concerns about potential members who have requested to join the group via email not showing in the pending members section. Members who request to join via email are sent a confirmation email asking them to confirm. Once this email is returned, they will show up in pending. If they do not respond to the confirmation, they will not show in pending. I hope this has addressed your concerns. Please contact us again if you have any further questions or concerns. Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Groups. Regards, Gidget ==End Message From Yahoo == At 9:15 PM -0400 8/28/07, Alvin Auerbach wrote: Part 1 Is anyone else a YahooGroups moderator in a group where the moderator must approve each applicant? If so, have you had this [see below] problem, where the email request for membership is received by yahoo, but is not transferred to the Pending page, where a moderator can deal with it? Have you complained? What happened? I have this problem over and over, and prospective members are angry, since they apply and are not approved. Have you found some other way to get around the problem? FAQ: Why do you want to approve each membership application? Ans: The Group is for our neighborhood only, and we disapprove any applicant outside of our boundaries. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 2 Is AOL any better? Is there a way to transition to AOL and not need to have all the members reapply? Thanks, Alvin Begin Message to YahooGroups IT NEVER ENDS!! The page http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//logs?cat=cmds shows Aug 28, 2007 5:59 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Membership requested via email The page http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//members?group=pending does NOT show this request at Aug 28, 2007 8:35 pm The page http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//logs?cat=mod does NOT show any activity regarding [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAN YOU PLEASE, PLEASE, MAKE THE YAHOOGROUPS SOFTWARE WORK? Please advise. Thank you, Alvin End Message to YahooGroups * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
Part 1 Is anyone else a YahooGroups moderator in a group where the moderator must approve each applicant? If so, have you had this [see below] problem, where the email request for membership is received by yahoo, but is not transferred to the Pending page, where a moderator can deal with it? Have you complained? What happened? I have this problem over and over, and prospective members are angry, since they apply and are not approved. Have you found some other way to get around the problem? FAQ: Why do you want to approve each membership application? Ans: The Group is for our neighborhood only, and we disapprove any applicant outside of our boundaries. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 2 Is AOL any better? Is there a way to transition to AOL and not need to have all the members reapply? Thanks, Alvin Begin Message to YahooGroups IT NEVER ENDS!! The page http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//logs?cat=cmds shows Aug 28, 2007 5:59 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Membership requested via email The page http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//members?group=pending does NOT show this request at Aug 28, 2007 8:35 pm The page http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//logs?cat=mod does NOT show any activity regarding [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAN YOU PLEASE, PLEASE, MAKE THE YAHOOGROUPS SOFTWARE WORK? Please advise. Thank you, Alvin End Message to YahooGroups * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
I've never had that specific problem, but my Yahoo account has been hacked twice making it impossible for me to do ANY moderating on my list for long periods. I didn't think AOL did public groups. The alternative is Google Groups I believe. I'm only in one; they seem the same. I run a neighborhood web forum up here in WV, and IMHO free mailing lists are not a great way to engender a sense of community. Maybe with 10-20 people, but once you start getting more nobody can handle the deluge of email. Unless nobody talks about anything. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] YahooGroups Problem - Please Help
I moderate quite a few groups on Yahoo and I always get notified.' Here are a couple of things to check. Go into your group (Make sure you are logged on with your proper ID) Click members, then click moderators. Click the pencil looking thingy under your ID name (Yahoo) This will get you into preferences for that email address. Make sure that Notify this moderator when is checked. There are three the top two need to be checked. Then scroll down and there are a bunch of other boxes to make sure are checked. when you are done click the box that says save changes. I have two to three address that I have in my groups, one home, one work, and another backup. I usually get notification on all of these, but I have gone in and set them up for this. Stewart At 08:15 PM 8/28/2007, you wrote: Part 1 Is anyone else a YahooGroups moderator in a group where the moderator must approve each applicant? If so, have you had this [see below] problem, where the email request for membership is received by yahoo, but is not transferred to the Pending page, where a moderator can deal with it? Have you complained? What happened? I have this problem over and over, and prospective members are angry, since they apply and are not approved. Have you found some other way to get around the problem? FAQ: Why do you want to approve each membership application? Ans: The Group is for our neighborhood only, and we disapprove any applicant outside of our boundaries. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 2 Is AOL any better? Is there a way to transition to AOL and not need to have all the members reapply? Thanks, Alvin Begin Message to YahooGroups IT NEVER ENDS!! The page http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//logs?cat=cmds shows Aug 28, 2007 5:59 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Membership requested via email The page http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//members?group=pending does NOT show this request at Aug 28, 2007 8:35 pm The page http://groups.yahoo.com/[group]//logs?cat=mod does NOT show any activity regarding [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAN YOU PLEASE, PLEASE, MAKE THE YAHOOGROUPS SOFTWARE WORK? Please advise. Thank you, Alvin End Message to YahooGroups * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived