Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Ranbo ran...@gmail.com wrote: So would using a refurb/generic void the warranty? Can't find mine. Merely using an ink or toner not made by the manufacturer of the printer will not void any warranty. However, if said cartridge, toner or ink, were to leak and damage the printer because of a defect in that cartridge, it could well be that free repair or replacement of the printer, if it is still under warranty, could be in jeopardy. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
What do you mean by I use the in my Canon fax/printer with great results? Thanks Randall On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 8, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: The quality of the recycling is key. Some just refill. Others clean, strip and redo the cartridge. I use the in my Canon fax/printer with great results. I avoid refills. New compatible is best. Remanufactured is usually okay. Price is less than half so I'm willing to accept an occasional dud. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
I think he was trying to say he uses them. I just got a cartridge for the church Dell/all-in-one and it states on the invoice refurbished. Paid about half the price of a new one from Dell. Stewart At 04:35 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote: What do you mean by I use the in my Canon fax/printer with great results? Thanks Randall On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 8, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: The quality of the recycling is key. Some just refill. Others clean, strip and redo the cartridge. I use the in my Canon fax/printer with great results. I avoid refills. New compatible is best. Remanufactured is usually okay. Price is less than half so I'm willing to accept an occasional dud. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
*My Canon literature implies that getting the OEM Canon toner will extend the life of the printer. Anyone know if there is any evidence that this would be true? Randall * On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: The two I mentioned will replace if they do not work. I have good luck with them. They rebuild OEM empties. Or purchase compatibles. Not sure what you get when you get it as it looks new. These companies buy the OEM empties for cents on the dollar and sell at about 50% retail for ink jet replacements. I have had generally good luck, but if it does not work, I call and they send replacement. Stewart At 07:24 PM 1/8/2010, you wrote: I use the in my Canon fax/printer with great results. I avoid refills. New compatible is best. Remanufactured is usually okay. Price is less than half so I'm willing to accept an occasional dud. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
*He uses the OEM toner catridges? Guess we'll have to see what he says. BTW, the cartridge on InkSmiles is new (the only one they have) and costs as much as the Canon OEM and more than from Staples. The other site you mentioned has them (says built from scratch) for less than half this price. A good deal if it doesn't shorten life of printer or cause other problems. * On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: I think he was trying to say he uses them. I just got a cartridge for the church Dell/all-in-one and it states on the invoice refurbished. Paid about half the price of a new one from Dell. Stewart At 04:35 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote: What do you mean by I use the in my Canon fax/printer with great results? Thanks Randall On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 8, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: The quality of the recycling is key. Some just refill. Others clean, strip and redo the cartridge. I use the in my Canon fax/printer with great results. I avoid refills. New compatible is best. Remanufactured is usually okay. Price is less than half so I'm willing to accept an occasional dud. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
Usually has to do with quality of rebuilds and parts changed/refurbished. Plus quality of toner, and if they leak. Some of the cheaper ones have a tendency to leak which will gunk up the interior. A good quality refurb/generic will be not cause problems. But Canon cannot guarantee the quality of a refurb/generic so they will not guarantee the life of the printer with those in it. Stewart At 04:53 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote: *My Canon literature implies that getting the OEM Canon toner will extend the life of the printer. Anyone know if there is any evidence that this would be true? Randall Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
I have not bought a printer cartridge from Dell since we bought it over three years ago. I have been using refurbs/generic from a number of sources. The ones from LD are refurbs. Which means they get used carts. Strip them down and rebuild them. Not just refill. This gives you much better life and use. Stewart At 04:55 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote: *He uses the OEM toner catridges? Guess we'll have to see what he says. BTW, the cartridge on InkSmiles is new (the only one they have) and costs as much as the Canon OEM and more than from Staples. The other site you mentioned has them (says built from scratch) for less than half this price. A good deal if it doesn't shorten life of printer or cause other problems. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
So would using a refurb/generic void the warranty? Can't find mine. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Usually has to do with quality of rebuilds and parts changed/refurbished. Plus quality of toner, and if they leak. Some of the cheaper ones have a tendency to leak which will gunk up the interior. A good quality refurb/generic will be not cause problems. But Canon cannot guarantee the quality of a refurb/generic so they will not guarantee the life of the printer with those in it. Stewart At 04:53 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote: *My Canon literature implies that getting the OEM Canon toner will extend the life of the printer. Anyone know if there is any evidence that this would be true? Randall Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
Would be hard to prove it. Secondly with the short warranties on these things you are usually just past the warranty when you change out your first toner. When we got ours I got extended warranty plus ordered a hi yield cart. The first one lasted about 6 mos. The hi yields last about 9-10 mos. Nothing was ever said when we had to swap ours out twice with the toner carts. Matter of fact they want you to take it out before you ship the old one back. The only guarantee the OEM toners give you is that it will work with your machine. Same one the generic folks give you. Like I said with both of the ones I mentioned they will ship you out a replacement for any bad one you get. No questions asked. My caveat with any generic seller, check out their reviews with someone. Some of these companies sell junk. Also you want rebuilds at a bare minimum. Not refills. Rebuilds replace wearable parts. Stewart At 07:14 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote: So would using a refurb/generic void the warranty? Can't find mine. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
Your printer will be obsolete and unsupported by then-current software long before it actually dies. Or they just won't sell toner cartridges for it any more because the market is too small. (for home / home office use) We are getting more and more paperless as time goes bye. At 05:53 PM 1/9/2010, Ranbo wrote: *My Canon literature implies that getting the OEM Canon toner will extend the life of the printer. Anyone know if there is any evidence that this would be true? Randall * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
You obviously have never dealt with the clientele I deal with. If we could install two flat screens I would be able to print less. Folks not interested. They want printed material in front of them. Churches (smaller ones less than 200+ membership) will be the last bastions of printed material. Our church body just published (within the last two years) a new printed hymnal. A lot of us questioned the usefulness of publishing an expensive and useless piece of material when they could have pushed all of it to use electronically. Instead they want us to pay thousands for the new hymnal and then if we want electronic one spends Hundreds more!!! Institutions do not always follow technological trends, and tend to be quite behind the times. Stewart At 07:40 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote: Your printer will be obsolete and unsupported by then-current software long before it actually dies. Or they just won't sell toner cartridges for it any more because the market is too small. (for home / home office use) We are getting more and more paperless as time goes bye. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
*Do you ever see the day when each person coming to a service will be handed an Apple tablet, with all the prayers, hymns, etc. on them? Heck, could have the whole Bible downloaded, as well as sermons, nice pics and whatever else would be useful. By the time today's teenagers replace all the current Church goers, could services be mostly virtual? Randall * On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: You obviously have never dealt with the clientele I deal with. If we could install two flat screens I would be able to print less. Folks not interested. They want printed material in front of them. Churches (smaller ones less than 200+ membership) will be the last bastions of printed material. Our church body just published (within the last two years) a new printed hymnal. A lot of us questioned the usefulness of publishing an expensive and useless piece of material when they could have pushed all of it to use electronically. Instead they want us to pay thousands for the new hymnal and then if we want electronic one spends Hundreds more!!! Institutions do not always follow technological trends, and tend to be quite behind the times. Stewart At 07:40 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote: Your printer will be obsolete and unsupported by then-current software long before it actually dies. Or they just won't sell toner cartridges for it any more because the market is too small. (for home / home office use) We are getting more and more paperless as time goes bye. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
In some places they are getting that way. In some areas local churches are branch offices/satellite buildings of a big main campus. The sermon etc. is broadcast there. I have done Bible Studies using nothing but power point etc. Within my faith group however that will not be the case as we do not believe in hands off ministry or worship etc. There are certain aspects of our doctrine that requires a live body to be present and do things. Don't need tablets for worship, many places have large screens mounted up front and they work well. My buildings architecture dictates against those. That is why I said two large screen LCD panels. 50 panels mounted properly one on each side would cover 100% of the congregation. (My church is a round church, so we sit in an arc.) Easier seen as far as I am concerned. Also larger print for those with eye site problems. We are probably talking about 5K easily and, well (this is my church) the folks tend to be skin flints especially about technology. I keep a lot of my resources on my work laptop so this is technologically possible. (Bibles, study notes dictionaries, etc.) Stewart At 08:04 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote: *Do you ever see the day when each person coming to a service will be handed an Apple tablet, with all the prayers, hymns, etc. on them? Heck, could have the whole Bible downloaded, as well as sermons, nice pics and whatever else would be useful. By the time today's teenagers replace all the current Church goers, could services be mostly virtual? Randall * On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: You obviously have never dealt with the clientele I deal with. If we could install two flat screens I would be able to print less. Folks not interested. They want printed material in front of them. Churches (smaller ones less than 200+ membership) will be the last bastions of printed material. Our church body just published (within the last two years) a new printed hymnal. A lot of us questioned the usefulness of publishing an expensive and useless piece of material when they could have pushed all of it to use electronically. Instead they want us to pay thousands for the new hymnal and then if we want electronic one spends Hundreds more!!! Institutions do not always follow technological trends, and tend to be quite behind the times. Stewart At 07:40 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote: Your printer will be obsolete and unsupported by then-current software long before it actually dies. Or they just won't sell toner cartridges for it any more because the market is too small. (for home / home office use) We are getting more and more paperless as time goes bye. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Ranbo wrote: What do you mean by I use the in my Canon fax/printer with great results? I must have pressed the m key too lightly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Ranbo wrote: *My Canon literature implies that getting the OEM Canon toner will extend the life of the printer. Anyone know if there is any evidence that this would be true? Vague wording on such a claim should give you pause. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
Time (already, after 8 months of fairly light use) to replace black and white toner cartridge for Canon 4-in-1 laser printer. Regular cartridge runs around $80. I see there are compatible generic cartridges for as low as around $25. Questions are: a) are these likely to work (had bad experiences with generic ink jet cartridges which didn't work at all with Dell ink jet) b) are they likely to work, but work less well as far as quantity and/or quality and c) are they likely to damage the printer and reduce its life, as Canon's literature suggests? Thanks as always Randall * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
Quality and life of them varies by vendor. I have had some give me all they can give and last just as long as OEM. I have had others that last half as long. Quality of cartridge is varied also. They are generally recycled OEM cartridges recycled by a company. The quality of the recycling is key. Some just refill. Others clean, strip and redo the cartridge. I like to stick to two vendors for my generic laser cartridges and ink catridges. LD Products and Inksmiles www.ldproducts.com (have a couple of alternate sites, but still the main one.) www.inksmile.com Our church collects empty cartridges and sends them in to empties for cash which is tied in with inksmiles. Stewart At 02:51 PM 1/8/2010, you wrote: Time (already, after 8 months of fairly light use) to replace black and white toner cartridge for Canon 4-in-1 laser printer. Regular cartridge runs around $80. I see there are compatible generic cartridges for as low as around $25. Questions are: a) are these likely to work (had bad experiences with generic ink jet cartridges which didn't work at all with Dell ink jet) b) are they likely to work, but work less well as far as quantity and/or quality and c) are they likely to damage the printer and reduce its life, as Canon's literature suggests? Thanks as always Randall * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
Thanks On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Quality and life of them varies by vendor. I have had some give me all they can give and last just as long as OEM. I have had others that last half as long. Quality of cartridge is varied also. They are generally recycled OEM cartridges recycled by a company. The quality of the recycling is key. Some just refill. Others clean, strip and redo the cartridge. I like to stick to two vendors for my generic laser cartridges and ink catridges. LD Products and Inksmiles www.ldproducts.com (have a couple of alternate sites, but still the main one.) www.inksmile.com Our church collects empty cartridges and sends them in to empties for cash which is tied in with inksmiles. Stewart At 02:51 PM 1/8/2010, you wrote: Time (already, after 8 months of fairly light use) to replace black and white toner cartridge for Canon 4-in-1 laser printer. Regular cartridge runs around $80. I see there are compatible generic cartridges for as low as around $25. Questions are: a) are these likely to work (had bad experiences with generic ink jet cartridges which didn't work at all with Dell ink jet) b) are they likely to work, but work less well as far as quantity and/or quality and c) are they likely to damage the printer and reduce its life, as Canon's literature suggests? Thanks as always Randall * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] generic laser printer cartridges?
On Jan 8, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: The quality of the recycling is key. Some just refill. Others clean, strip and redo the cartridge. I use the in my Canon fax/printer with great results. I avoid refills. New compatible is best. Remanufactured is usually okay. Price is less than half so I'm willing to accept an occasional dud. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
