Re: [CGUYS] DVI vs VGA [was: LCD Monitor and color fringing]
And yet I CAN get 1440 x 900 with the VGA connection; that is how I am running it, at that resolution. That is what is so confusing. Why would you assume that the two would be the same? The analog circuits can easily interpolate data that is not really there. The digital circuits won't exceed what is enabled by RAM. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVI vs VGA [was: LCD Monitor and color fringing]
I guess you meant to say smaller. I've seen people do this, usually those with poorer eyesight, but with LCD technology it just isn't true. By setting an LCD to a lower resolution, the text looks larger to them, so they mistakenly think the picture is clearer. But it isn't. First, know that electrically speaking, LCDs should *always* be set to their native resolution. Now, to compensate for the sharper (harder to read) text, turn on and tune ClearType. If additional help is needed, go into Appearance and select a larger font size. Oh, and on the fringing - if color appears where it shouldn't, the monitor is defective and should be returned for warranty repair *without delay* as the warranty clock is running. Obviously you need to make sure the resolution is set correctly before you can make this judgment. On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me it would be a limitation of the video drivers to set the proper resolution. I actually have my 19 Samsung set at a larger resolution (1024x768) than it's native and it is far clearer in that resolution than it is in the native resolution (1280x960). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVI vs VGA [was: LCD Monitor and color fringing]
Using your terminology I guess. But in this case that is not true. When I set it for the native resolution it was not sharp or clear. The text looked jagged and just did not look right. (My eye sight is not 20-20 but it is also not poor I do wear glasses to correct it.) At the non native resolution it is clear as a bell and looks perfect. I ran CRT/LCD side by side for a little while off of the video card and I could tell a immense difference between the two. The CRT looks soft while the LCD looks sharp. In this case the native resolution (listed) just did not work for the LCD. Stewart At 09:28 AM 7/23/2008, you wrote: I guess you meant to say smaller. I've seen people do this, usually those with poorer eyesight, but with LCD technology it just isn't true. By setting an LCD to a lower resolution, the text looks larger to them, so they mistakenly think the picture is clearer. But it isn't. First, know that electrically speaking, LCDs should *always* be set to their native resolution. Now, to compensate for the sharper (harder to read) text, turn on and tune ClearType. If additional help is needed, go into Appearance and select a larger font size. Oh, and on the fringing - if color appears where it shouldn't, the monitor is defective and should be returned for warranty repair *without delay* as the warranty clock is running. Obviously you need to make sure the resolution is set correctly before you can make this judgment. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVI vs VGA [was: LCD Monitor and color fringing]
From what I have read, either the cable is bad or the monitor is. I suggest trying another cable and returning the monitor if that doesn't fix the problem. db Tony B wrote: I guess you meant to say smaller. I've seen people do this, usually those with poorer eyesight, but with LCD technology it just isn't true. By setting an LCD to a lower resolution, the text looks larger to them, so they mistakenly think the picture is clearer. But it isn't. First, know that electrically speaking, LCDs should *always* be set to their native resolution. Now, to compensate for the sharper (harder to read) text, turn on and tune ClearType. If additional help is needed, go into Appearance and select a larger font size. Oh, and on the fringing - if color appears where it shouldn't, the monitor is defective and should be returned for warranty repair *without delay* as the warranty clock is running. Obviously you need to make sure the resolution is set correctly before you can make this judgment. On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me it would be a limitation of the video drivers to set the proper resolution. I actually have my 19 Samsung set at a larger resolution (1024x768) than it's native and it is far clearer in that resolution than it is in the native resolution (1280x960). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVI vs VGA [was: LCD Monitor and color fringing]
The LCD has a native resolution of 1440 x 900. However, when connected via the DVI cable, that resolution was not available in the display preferences, only 1280 x 960 and one or two other, smaller resolutions (I didn't write them down; sorry). When using the VGA cable, however, I have fourteen different resolutions to choose from, from 640 x 480 up through 1440 x 900. When you use the VGA cable the LCD is connected to the Mac via an A2D converter and mimics an analog multi-sync monitor. So the Mac;s System Preferences present you with a set of VGA options. Whan conncted via DVI the Mac knows exactly what you have, there is no A2D conversion, and you get the correct options for the LCD. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVI vs VGA [was: LCD Monitor and color fringing]
At 5:23 PM -0400 7/23/08, you wrote: The LCD has a native resolution of 1440 x 900. However, when connected via the DVI cable, that resolution was not available in the display preferences, only 1280 x 960 and one or two other, smaller resolutions (I didn't write them down; sorry). When using the VGA cable, however, I have fourteen different resolutions to choose from, from 640 x 480 up through 1440 x 900. When you use the VGA cable the LCD is connected to the Mac via an A2D converter and mimics an analog multi-sync monitor. So the Mac;s System Preferences present you with a set of VGA options. Whan conncted via DVI the Mac knows exactly what you have, there is no A2D conversion, and you get the correct options for the LCD. That sounds good, Tom, except that the native 1440 x 900 is NOT available with the DVI cable. Wouldn't you expect that one to be there? -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVI vs VGA [was: LCD Monitor and color fringing]
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Roger D. Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5:23 PM -0400 7/23/08, you wrote: When you use the VGA cable the LCD is connected to the Mac via an A2D converter and mimics an analog multi-sync monitor. So the Mac;s System Preferences present you with a set of VGA options. Whan conncted via DVI the Mac knows exactly what you have, there is no A2D conversion, and you get the correct options for the LCD. That sounds good, Tom, except that the native 1440 x 900 is NOT available with the DVI cable. Wouldn't you expect that one to be there? Roger, It is my experience that using the DVI cable means that the Mac or Windows will read data across the cable and only present based on what it sees. So maybe the connection at the LCD monitor, the video card, or the cable itself has a problem of some sort. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVI vs VGA [was: LCD Monitor and color fringing]
That sounds good, Tom, except that the native 1440 x 900 is NOT available with the DVI cable. Wouldn't you expect that one to be there? Only if that was a setting the card was capable of. Considering the age of your card I'm not surprised it doesn't. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVI vs VGA [was: LCD Monitor and color fringing]
At 8:42 PM -0400 7/23/08, Tom Piwowar wrote: That sounds good, Tom, except that the native 1440 x 900 is NOT available with the DVI cable. Wouldn't you expect that one to be there? Only if that was a setting the card was capable of. Considering the age of your card I'm not surprised it doesn't. And yet I CAN get 1440 x 900 with the VGA connection; that is how I am running it, at that resolution. That is what is so confusing. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVI vs VGA [was: LCD Monitor and color fringing]
At 10:57 PM -0400 7/22/08, Tom Piwowar wrote: Get a video card with a digital output, and use the digital cable to connect the LCD monitor to the video card. The color fringing is almost certainly caused in the part of the circuitry where the signal is analog. Could even be caused by a poor quality analog (VGA) video cable. I am surprised how often LCDs with digital inputs are connected using VGA cables. I have even seen DVI to VGA adapters used in situations where the computer did not have a VGA and the LCD had noth VGA and DVI. This discussion prompts me to ask a question that has been bothering me for a while, ever since I replaced a CRT with a 19 wide-screen LCD on my G4 PowerMac Sawtooth. The Mac has an admittedly anemic ATI RagePro AGP video card with only 16MB of VRAM, but the card has both a VGA and a DVI output. The LCD also has both VGA and DVI. When I bought the LCD, I also got a DVI cable, figuring that was the best way to connect the monitor to the video card. The LCD has a native resolution of 1440 x 900. However, when connected via the DVI cable, that resolution was not available in the display preferences, only 1280 x 960 and one or two other, smaller resolutions (I didn't write them down; sorry). When using the VGA cable, however, I have fourteen different resolutions to choose from, from 640 x 480 up through 1440 x 900. Does anyone have an explanation, or even idle speculation, for why this is the case? -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVI vs VGA [was: LCD Monitor and color fringing]
To me it would be a limitation of the video drivers to set the proper resolution. I actually have my 19 Samsung set at a larger resolution (1024x768) than it's native and it is far clearer in that resolution than it is in the native resolution (1280x960). Stewart At 10:50 PM 7/22/2008, you wrote: This discussion prompts me to ask a question that has been bothering me for a while, ever since I replaced a CRT with a 19 wide-screen LCD on my G4 PowerMac Sawtooth. The Mac has an admittedly anemic ATI RagePro AGP video card with only 16MB of VRAM, but the card has both a VGA and a DVI output. The LCD also has both VGA and DVI. When I bought the LCD, I also got a DVI cable, figuring that was the best way to connect the monitor to the video card. The LCD has a native resolution of 1440 x 900. However, when connected via the DVI cable, that resolution was not available in the display preferences, only 1280 x 960 and one or two other, smaller resolutions (I didn't write them down; sorry). When using the VGA cable, however, I have fourteen different resolutions to choose from, from 640 x 480 up through 1440 x 900. Does anyone have an explanation, or even idle speculation, for why this is the case? -- Roger Lovettsville, VA Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
