Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-24 Thread mike
You forgot Ultimate edition!  Vista is like baskin robins, only not as
tasty.

Mike

On 9/23/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There are four flavors of Vista.

 Home, Home basic, Business and Business Premium.

 Of the four the upper two are the best of the bunch and from what I
 understand the only ones MS Legal to run on parallels.

 However you will also pay a premium.

 Also note that when you get into Vista there are numerous programs
 that have not been tweaked for Vista.

 The first question that needs to be asked is, if she is installing
 Parallels and wants to run Windows is she doing it for a specific
 piece of hardware or software?

 If she is doing it for a particular piece of hardware do they have
 Drivers for Vista?  Will it run in Vista?  if it is software the same
 questions should be asked.

 I can see no reason to buy Vista Business or Business premium if what
 she wants to do will run in XP.  (Price for XP 95-105 and up. Vista
 Business 259-up)

 I have no problems with XP.  I run an antivirus (Free) and have my
 system behind a router with a firewall.  I use Eudora for my email
 and I trash all email and attachments I do not know

 Stewart

 At 06:42 PM 9/23/2007, you wrote:
 Vista is more than XP with security turned on.  It's built in.  Since
 security, or the lack there of, is one of XP's major flaws, I say that's
 sufficient reason to choose Vista.
 
 If you're going to use Parallels, keep in mind that you must buy a
 business
 edition of Vista (vs one of the home editions) to legally use it with
 Parallels or receive any Parallels customer support.

 Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Prince of Peace
 Ozark, AL  SL 82


 
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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
notice the prices are OEM, which is cheaper than the full retail
but not supported directly from microsoft, the oem must provide
support..

Is this not the stuff that is supposed to be sold only with a computer? 



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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Ultimate and the Business premium I was mentioning are the same cat.

And the prices you show there are for OEM.  The licence on OEM 
specifically prohibits it being installed in a virtual computer.


MS wants them to spend a whole bunch for a full copy of Business or 
Ultimate to use it that way.


Stewart


At 06:03 AM 9/24/2007, you wrote:

At 12:00 AM 9/24/2007, you wrote:

Date:Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:29:46 -0500
From:Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: first iMac question  ug Vista

There are four flavors of Vista.

Home, Home basic, Business and Business Premium.



Sorry Rev, no cigar the highest level of Vista is Ultimate..

go here to see the prices and flavors

http://www.tcponline.com/Softwares_operating_systems.htm

notice the prices are OEM, which is cheaper than the full retail
but not supported directly from microsoft, the oem must provide
support..

Rich

PS: I sure wish some of the members of the list would learn cut/copy-n-paste..



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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-24 Thread Adil Godrej

There are four flavors of Vista.

Home, Home basic, Business and Business Premium.


Actually, there are five: Home, Home Basic, Business, Enterprise, and 
Ultimate (what you are calling Business Premium, I think), in 
ascending order of what they contain (this can be read to be more 
good stuff or more stuff to make my life complicated). Enterprise 
is like the Business version (MS calls it the premium business 
edition [no caps]), with a few more items in it to make it easier to 
administer centrally. The average schmo (which is what some software 
companies think of us, I believe) buying for personal use will not be 
interested in Enterprise. And, of course, they all come in 32- and 
64-bit versions, which for XP Pro led to a different flavor (too many 
things behave differently from 32-bit XP Pro), but perhaps not so with Vista.


Ref: 
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/default.mspx


Adil 




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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
I could buy an OEM to go along with the system I built this past 
year.  It would only be valid with that system and could not be 
transferred over to any other system.

That is for people who are building systems for resale, not for their own 
use.



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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
No it is also being interpreted as being for sale to folks who build 
their own.  Newegg sells them with a warning,

---
   * Disclaimer: Qualifying proof of purchase must be recent 
receipts showing the purchase of a mother board, hard drive, RAM and 
a CPU.  The components can be on multiple receipts; not necessarily 
all on one receipt nor on the same receipt as the qualifying Windows 
XP/Office 2003 that you purchased.



This allows OEM's to be purchased by everyday schlubs like me without 
having to have or obtain a sales tax certificate from the 
state.  This does not allow someone to go out and buy it and then resell it.


Your using an old interpretation of OEM.  It was for manufacturers to 
get deep discounts on OS's that everyday schlubs like me could not 
get. It has been loosened up so that builders like me can get it, but 
not at as deep a discount.  (I bet Dell does not pay $95.00 per copy 
for their windows XP's)


By the way they did this with 98 also.  I built a few systems years 
ago and ordered as many 98's as I did systems. They were all OEM's 
coming in plain black and white CD holders.


Stewart


At 10:50 AM 9/24/2007, you wrote:

I could buy an OEM to go along with the system I built this past
year.  It would only be valid with that system and could not be
transferred over to any other system.

That is for people who are building systems for resale, not for their own
use.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-24 Thread b_s-wilk

New flavor: Genuine Windows® Vista Home Premium

Shipped with new Compaq notebook. What's the difference? Maybe if we got 
Vista Ultimate it would have taken less than a week to get online with 
wireless.


Choose your flavor
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/default.mspx
M$ logo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkT4peQdbs



You forgot Ultimate edition!  Vista is like baskin robins, only not as
tasty.

Mike

On 9/23/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 There are four flavors of Vista.

 Home, Home basic, Business and Business Premium.

 Of the four the upper two are the best of the bunch and from what I
 understand the only ones MS Legal to run on parallels.

 However you will also pay a premium.

 Also note that when you get into Vista there are numerous programs
 that have not been tweaked for Vista.

 The first question that needs to be asked is, if she is installing
 Parallels and wants to run Windows is she doing it for a specific
 piece of hardware or software?

 If she is doing it for a particular piece of hardware do they have
 Drivers for Vista?  Will it run in Vista?  if it is software the same
 questions should be asked.

 I can see no reason to buy Vista Business or Business premium if what
 she wants to do will run in XP.  (Price for XP 95-105 and up. Vista
 Business 259-up)

 I have no problems with XP.  I run an antivirus (Free) and have my
 system behind a router with a firewall.  I use Eudora for my email
 and I trash all email and attachments I do not know





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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-23 Thread E. Riley Casey

Any particular wife or just one of the bunch ?

I have just loaded XP onto a new MacBook Pro and it's running quite 
well - now.  I'm using Bootcamp which is the Apple provided software 
for making their computers bootup with Windows.  Parallels on the 
other hand allows the Mac OS   the Windows OS to operate side by 
side without rebooting.  Not surprisingly this requires considerably 
more resources from the hardware in terms of RAM.  Unless you have 
some crying need for Vista I would suggest that XP will make like 
easier and perhaps zippier.  Also take care with things like Windows 
updates.  Both Bootcamp and Parallels make some assumptions about 
what they expect in the way of a Windows OS.  If you update things 
needlessly you could break those expectations.   The need for virus 
protection and other such prophylactics that are needed to protect 
Windows from the cold, cruel world go away IF you use the Mac OS for 
email and web browsing and restrict the Windows OS to local 
operations only.


And exactly what is a ' UG ' anyway ?

==   in reply to ...

Bought wife a new iMac 2.4g 24.  lots of questions.  got parallels, 
now she says she needs a(n) MS OS. 

I think all Vista UG needs to see XP to UG.  can she use a new copy 
of vista UG and one of the xp's we have laying around to load vista 
on her machine?  does she want/need the 64 bit version?




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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-23 Thread Rich Schinnell

At 04:12 PM 9/23/2007, you wrote:

Date:Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:41:51 -0400
From:Wayne Dernoncourt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: first iMac question  ug Vista
gerald
 does she want to load Vista, or would she be better off
 with XP?  again, will a new UG work?

From everything I've read, Windows Vista is Windows XP with
more security stuff turned on breaking drivers and programs
but doing a better job at security.  Good in some respects,
bad in others.  Since playing HD DVD's isn't a big deal on
this Mac, I don't need Vista.  Security Now has had podcasts
about Vista along with Windows Weekly(??).

I did something similar.  I bought a Mac  Parallels this past
summer and went to Best Buy and bought a copy of Windows XP.  I
had lots of problems installing it and tech support said We
think you have an upgrade copy...  I looked and I had bought
an upgrade copy.  I had never noticed.  Best Buy wouldn't take
it back (no exchange plus cash if for the right one if they
would've had any).  So I ordered one from Buy.com, ten minutes
after I clicked buy, I realized I needed some stuff from
amazon.com, bought it there, went back to buy.com to cancel,
clicked cancel, they said okay.  A day and half later, I get
an email saying Oooops, the order had already gone into the
system.  Contact us for an RMA and we will take it back.
I'm still waiting for the stuff for amazon.com to show up, I
don't remember what is slowing things down, but in the end I'm
going to either have two copies of Windows XP Home or have to
hassle with sending one back.

Long and short, I'm going to have a copy of Windows XP Home
here if you are interested.

--
Take care  | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't
Wayne D.   | supply this, at least not directly
Managing senior programmers is like herding cats!


Wayne, I hope you did not pay any more than $95 for your xp home?

The Computer place in va and MD both sell xp home OEM version for
around $95 and is allowed to be installed without going and paying
full retail for the xp..

check out their site at

http://www.tcponline.com

their prices for oem operating systems (sorry only MD G)

http://www.tcponline.com/Softwares_operating_systems.htm


Rich



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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

There are four flavors of Vista.

Home, Home basic, Business and Business Premium.

Of the four the upper two are the best of the bunch and from what I 
understand the only ones MS Legal to run on parallels.


However you will also pay a premium.

Also note that when you get into Vista there are numerous programs 
that have not been tweaked for Vista.


The first question that needs to be asked is, if she is installing 
Parallels and wants to run Windows is she doing it for a specific 
piece of hardware or software?


If she is doing it for a particular piece of hardware do they have 
Drivers for Vista?  Will it run in Vista?  if it is software the same 
questions should be asked.


I can see no reason to buy Vista Business or Business premium if what 
she wants to do will run in XP.  (Price for XP 95-105 and up. Vista 
Business 259-up)


I have no problems with XP.  I run an antivirus (Free) and have my 
system behind a router with a firewall.  I use Eudora for my email 
and I trash all email and attachments I do not know


Stewart

At 06:42 PM 9/23/2007, you wrote:

Vista is more than XP with security turned on.  It's built in.  Since
security, or the lack there of, is one of XP's major flaws, I say that's
sufficient reason to choose Vista.

If you're going to use Parallels, keep in mind that you must buy a business
edition of Vista (vs one of the home editions) to legally use it with
Parallels or receive any Parallels customer support.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-22 Thread gerald
does she want to load Vista, or would she be better off with XP?  again, will a 
new UG work?

At 12:50 PM 9/22/2007, you wrote:
Bought wife a new iMac 2.4g 24.  lots of questions.  got parallels, now she 
says she needs a(n) MS OS.  

I think all Vista UG needs to see XP to UG.  can she use a new copy of vista 
UG and one of the xp's we have laying around to load vista on her machine?  
does she want/need the 64 bit version? 



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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-22 Thread mike
No reason at all to use 64bit, I'd stick with xp unless she has some
specific reason to Vista.

Mike

On 9/22/07, gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 does she want to load Vista, or would she be better off with XP?  again,
 will a new UG work?

 At 12:50 PM 9/22/2007, you wrote:
 Bought wife a new iMac 2.4g 24.  lots of questions.  got parallels, now
 she says she needs a(n) MS OS.
 
 I think all Vista UG needs to see XP to UG.  can she use a new copy of
 vista UG and one of the xp's we have laying around to load vista on her
 machine?  does she want/need the 64 bit version?
 
 
 
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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

2007-09-22 Thread Tom Piwowar
Bought wife a new iMac 2.4g 24.  lots of questions.  got parallels, now 
she says she needs a(n) MS OS.

Unless she is a software developer needing to test applications on 
specific platforms, the first question to ask is says who? Nine times 
out of ten this is a bogus line given by some IT type who just does not 
know much about computers. 



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