Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
Check New egg you can search by CPU etc. YOU can also read reviews of teh MB's. Another place to look is Toms Hardware. An 01 is extremely dated MB. Mine was just bought this year and I have a tendency to buy about a year old stuff so mine is probably vintage 08. Stewart At 12:15 AM 12/17/2009, you wrote: On 12/16/2009 11:37 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: How old is that MB? Sept.'01 The last MB I bought had HDMI Video, USB 2.0 and Firewire built onto the Motherboard. The audio is not half bad. (Oh Also 10/100/1000 ethernet) It doesn't have the capability of HDMI Video. The USB on the motherboard is, not only 1.1, it also only has two USB slots. No Ethernet connection. I cant remember but I think it had Nvidia chip set for Video. I am not sure about the video chipset. I don't game so not a big deal, but I still think it was 128 MB for video. I think the on-board VRAM is only 128MB There is usually some pretty good video on MB's sold today. What is a good motherboard search engine? Laptops tend to lowball video with an INtel video chipset. ok My work laptop has an ATI chip set. Stewart I am not sure what my Netbook has. But my tower has the V694T chipset. Christopher * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
On 12/17/2009 9:44 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Check New egg you can search by CPU etc. YOU can also read reviews of teh MB's. Another place to look is Toms Hardware. An 01 is extremely dated MB. Mine was just bought this year and I have a tendency to buy about a year old stuff so mine is probably vintage 08. Stewart Will do * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tech has changed a lot in those few years. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Check New egg you can search by CPU etc. YOU can also read reviews of teh MB's. Another place to look is Toms Hardware. An 01 is extremely dated MB. Mine was just bought this year and I have a tendency to buy about a year old stuff so mine is probably vintage 08. Stewart At 12:15 AM 12/17/2009, you wrote: On 12/16/2009 11:37 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: How old is that MB? Sept.'01 The last MB I bought had HDMI Video, USB 2.0 and Firewire built onto the Motherboard. The audio is not half bad. (Oh Also 10/100/1000 ethernet) It doesn't have the capability of HDMI Video. The USB on the motherboard is, not only 1.1, it also only has two USB slots. No Ethernet connection. I cant remember but I think it had Nvidia chip set for Video. I am not sure about the video chipset. I don't game so not a big deal, but I still think it was 128 MB for video. I think the on-board VRAM is only 128MB There is usually some pretty good video on MB's sold today. What is a good motherboard search engine? Laptops tend to lowball video with an INtel video chipset. ok My work laptop has an ATI chip set. Stewart I am not sure what my Netbook has. But my tower has the V694T chipset. Christopher * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: This sounds like someone who had a nightmare experience once and isn't going to allow it to happen again. I don't want to put words in Christopher's mouth...just what I was thinking. Same reason I won't buy Hitachi drives even if they are half the price and twice the warranty. Not to mention, he doesn't really have to explain himself to anybody. Personally, I like something with potential to grow. Whether I use it or not. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On 12/16/2009 9:37 AM, Reid Katan wrote: Sheesh. And I thought my 8-bay was big. (-: Is ATX still the popular form factor? Last time I built a computer, it was--still is--a P3 450. It's been a while. I thought ATX was still the standard form factor. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Intel came up with a BTX form factor. Stewart At 09:34 AM 12/16/2009, you wrote: On 12/16/2009 9:37 AM, Reid Katan wrote: Sheesh. And I thought my 8-bay was big. (-: Is ATX still the popular form factor? Last time I built a computer, it was--still is--a P3 450. It's been a while. I thought ATX was still the standard form factor. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
Well, as you've seen by now this isn't the case. The OP clings to the belief that he needs all these PCI slots because he thinks the onboard equivalents don't work as well. I'm not sure where he got that idea, but I doubt we'll be changing his mind in our lifetimes. Since the only card he would actually be putting in these slots is a sound card, it still makes no sense to need more than one or two PCI slots. Another camp fears that all the onboard devices will fail at some point and they will need PCI slots to use to prevent having to replace the mobo. They haven't actually had this experience, but their overwhelming *fear* of it happening will probably guide their choices for many years to come. Again, they apparently haven't actually counted how many PCI slots would be needed to replace all the broken onboard devices. One I think (audio), although there are USB audio solutions also. Hitachi drives are currently the best drives on the market. They're built to higher specs, that's why they cost a bit more. They may be overkill for most people. If you had a bad experience with one then it's probably no great loss as you have many other viable choices for average systems. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:20 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: This sounds like someone who had a nightmare experience once and isn't going to allow it to happen again. I don't want to put words in Christopher's mouth...just what I was thinking. Same reason I won't buy Hitachi drives even if they are half the price and twice the warranty. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Christopher Range wrote: I didn't have a nightmare experience that necessitates having that many slots. Just the thought of having that much dependence on the motherboard, when the functions of a peripheral card is far better than the sub-standard garbage on the motherboard, is what causes me to need that many slots.. Don't bad mouth mother! Not all mobos are crap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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A memory I'd successfully blocked out until now. I got my monstrosity late one Saturday night as it was the only case they had with the brand new ATX form. Lots of space to play around inside, but with a menacing aspect due to its sheer size. Anyway, it too saw the dump a couple years ago. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:00 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Christopher Range wrote: That is why, I have the same 13-bay Full-Tower ATX that I bought ten years ago. I have upgraded the sound card, RAM, HD's, speakers, monitor, hard disk controller, floppy drive, webcam, headphones, keyboard, mouse and, digital camera; all in that time. I used to have one of those. We nicknamed it The Refrigerator. Eventually we grew tired of mocking it and sent it to the crusher. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It used to be if you wanted good sound you got an add on card, that myth lasted longer because of companies who made these cards wanting to stay in business. I know serious audiophiles say to move the sound card away from the rig..as in external connected via toslink. I've used the sound on the mobo for years now, I get surround sound out on my system behind the tv through the spdif connection, sounds great. My main system I still use two PCI slots, one for esata and one for a tv tuner card. My main system has room for about ten rear slots and 4 optical drives and 6 HD's. I like the freedom...I keep 7 HD's in this system but at any one time only 3 are connected...the others are long term storage, and one is an ubuntu install. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:58 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Christopher Range wrote: I didn't have a nightmare experience that necessitates having that many slots. Just the thought of having that much dependence on the motherboard, when the functions of a peripheral card is far better than the sub-standard garbage on the motherboard, is what causes me to need that many slots.. Don't bad mouth mother! Not all mobos are crap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On 12/16/2009 10:57 AM, Stewart Marshall wrote: Intel came up with a BTX form factor. Stewart You are right. I just crashed head first into 'duh'. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On 12/16/2009 11:12 AM, Tony B wrote: Well, as you've seen by now this isn't the case. The OP clings to the belief that he needs all these PCI slots because he thinks the onboard equivalents don't work as well. I'm not sure where he got that idea, but I doubt we'll be changing his mind in our lifetimes. Since the only card he would actually be putting in these slots is a sound card, it still makes no sense to need more than one or two PCI slots. Think about, a motherboard manufacturer's goal is to make motherboard's. They don't focus entirely on, good quality graphics or, good quality sound. I have looked at the difference between my motherboard's graphics function and, my video card. My video card is better. The same goes for my sound card. It doesn't make sense to you. But it certainly makes sense to me. Another camp fears that all the onboard devices will fail at some point and they will need PCI slots to use to prevent having to replace the mobo. They haven't actually had this experience, but their overwhelming *fear* of it happening will probably guide their choices for many years to come. Again, they apparently haven't actually counted how many PCI slots would be needed to replace all the broken onboard devices. One I think (audio), although there are USB audio solutions also. While you are correct, I haven't counted. I still consider it overdependence on the motherboard, to plug in everything under the sun, directly into the motherboard. Hitachi drives are currently the best drives on the market. They're built to higher specs, that's why they cost a bit more. They may be overkill for most people. If you had a bad experience with one then it's probably no great loss as you have many other viable choices for average systems. Hitachi is a moot point, in that, I am not debating the quality of their drives. So I take your word for it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On 12/16/2009 2:13 PM, Tony B wrote: A memory I'd successfully blocked out until now. I got my monstrosity late one Saturday night as it was the only case they had with the brand new ATX form. Lots of space to play around inside, but with a menacing aspect due to its sheer size. Anyway, it too saw the dump a couple years ago. The only way, my tower case will end up in the dumpster, is if, it gets damaged to the point of being unusable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On 12/16/2009 1:58 PM, tjpa wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Christopher Range wrote: I didn't have a nightmare experience that necessitates having that many slots. Just the thought of having that much dependence on the motherboard, when the functions of a peripheral card is far better than the sub-standard garbage on the motherboard, is what causes me to need that many slots.. Don't bad mouth mother! Not all mobos are crap. Show me one, that won't have a sub-standard video, audio or, USB port. The ones' on my motherboard are v1.1. The USB/Firewire Combo card is v2.0 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Hitachi was to me :) On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: Hitachi is a moot point, in that, I am not debating the quality of their drives. So I take your word for it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That's not sub standard, you just have old. There are a lot of nice mobos with built in 5.1 surround...digital audio out..etc etc, I have one, it's got fantastic sound. They carry the same chipsets the cards you buy. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: On 12/16/2009 1:58 PM, tjpa wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Christopher Range wrote: I didn't have a nightmare experience that necessitates having that many slots. Just the thought of having that much dependence on the motherboard, when the functions of a peripheral card is far better than the sub-standard garbage on the motherboard, is what causes me to need that many slots.. Don't bad mouth mother! Not all mobos are crap. Show me one, that won't have a sub-standard video, audio or, USB port. The ones' on my motherboard are v1.1. The USB/Firewire Combo card is v2.0 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
How old is that MB? The last MB I bought had HDMI Video, USB 2.0 and Firewire built onto the Motherboard. The audio is not half bad. (Oh Also 10/100/1000 ethernet) I cant remember but I think it had Nvidia chip set for Video. I don't game so not a big deal, but I still think it was 128 MB for video. There is usually some pretty good video on MB's sold today. Laptops tend to lowball video with an INtel video chipset. My work laptop has an ATI chip set. Stewart At 10:19 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote: Show me one, that won't have a sub-standard video, audio or, USB port. The ones' on my motherboard are v1.1. The USB/Firewire Combo card is v2.0 Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
Unless you are looking at 200-300 sound cards. I have seen extreme gamers put more into peripheral sound cards and video cards than into the MB/Memory/Harddrive setup. Remember PT Barnum's axiom there is a sucker born every minute. They make the mistake and think price=quality and usability. Or to put it another way, they have more money than brains and common sense. Stewart At 10:32 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote: That's not sub standard, you just have old. There are a lot of nice mobos with built in 5.1 surround...digital audio out..etc etc, I have one, it's got fantastic sound. They carry the same chipsets the cards you buy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On 12/16/2009 11:37 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: How old is that MB? Sept.'01 The last MB I bought had HDMI Video, USB 2.0 and Firewire built onto the Motherboard. The audio is not half bad. (Oh Also 10/100/1000 ethernet) It doesn't have the capability of HDMI Video. The USB on the motherboard is, not only 1.1, it also only has two USB slots. No Ethernet connection. I cant remember but I think it had Nvidia chip set for Video. I am not sure about the video chipset. I don't game so not a big deal, but I still think it was 128 MB for video. I think the on-board VRAM is only 128MB There is usually some pretty good video on MB's sold today. What is a good motherboard search engine? Laptops tend to lowball video with an INtel video chipset. ok My work laptop has an ATI chip set. Stewart I am not sure what my Netbook has. But my tower has the V694T chipset. Christopher * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
This sounds like someone who had a nightmare experience once and isn't going to allow it to happen again. I don't want to put words in Christopher's mouth...just what I was thinking. Same reason I won't buy Hitachi drives even if they are half the price and twice the warranty. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: What the heck are you talking about? You already said you aren't a gamer, so you don't need good video hardware; onboard video will more than suffice for business apps. Audio? Creative hasn't upgraded their cards in ages, and you said you have an old Audigy. How often do you replace audio cards? Is it your habit to switch around amongst Creative, then a few months later, someone else? Who? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I bypass on-board technology because, it limits the end-user, to the meanderings of the the motherboard manufacturer. That is why I have a separate video n' sound card. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
No problem. I didn't have a nightmare experience that necessitates having that many slots. Just the thought of having that much dependence on the motherboard, when the functions of a peripheral card is far better than the sub-standard garbage on the motherboard, is what causes me to need that many slots.. - Original Message - From: mike xha...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:20:14 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots??? This sounds like someone who had a nightmare experience once and isn't going to allow it to happen again. I don't want to put words in Christopher's mouth...just what I was thinking. Same reason I won't buy Hitachi drives even if they are half the price and twice the warranty. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
