Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread danny
On 29 Jan 2003, Austin Acton wrote:

 I asked for people's biggest beef with 9.0 w/r/t audio apps.  Here's
 what I got (please comment if you know a good answer):
 1. supermount in 9.0 sucks
tell them to become clubmembers :)

 3. no low-latency patched kernel
I've been playing with the idea to put a preempt kernel in contrib for 
9.1. If I can find time.

 5. no GUI to change sound card settings a.k.a. draksound is too basic
*agree*
 6. no easy way to disable arts, and it interferes with everything
huh? kcontrol?


Danny






Re: [Cooker] Problem with kde 3.1

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Marco Donati wrote:
 I just installed kde 3.1 by RPM from Cooker...

On 9.0?

 
 I have a problem...
 
 if i execute startkde as a user i have a relocation error in
 libkdeui.so.4

Yes, this will happen if you installed KDE3.1 from cooker on 9.0.

 
 Instead if i try to log as user and then i write
 su
 password
 
 and i execute startkde as root X start well...
 

root's setup under KDE differs from normal users.

If you're on 9.0, either rebuild the src.rpm's from cooker, on your box,
or wait till packages for 9.0 are availble from the KDE FTP mirrors.

Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] Easy Idea to Make Mandrake Better: Fast User Switching

2003-01-30 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons




Damian Gatabria wrote:

  
Does GDM run by default on a Mandrake install where the user has chosen
KDE as the default desktop?

  
  
Well, i really don't know... but since it's the only DM that has a consistent
look with Mandrake's background images and icons, i would guess so.

Damian
  

I was under the impression that KDM was used when KDE is chosen as the
default.

The only reason I'm commenting on this is because I occasionally set up
another X session for my fiance'. I have to select another tty, login
to her user account and run startx -- :1 to get her off to the races.
I'm sure a properly written shell script would do the same thing but I
haven't gotten around to it.

I tried what was suggested above:
K -- Configuration -- Start up  init -- New login with GDM


This does not work due to the fact GDM is not running.  (At least that
is what the dialog box says.)  :-) 

This feature would be excellent for dorm rooms and other shared living
arrangements. You can easily check your e-mail and not screw up your
room mates term paper...cd burn, etc.

-- 
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Re: [Cooker] the line between cooker and contrib.

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Leon Brooks wrote:
 On Thursday 30 January 2003 04:33 am, Stefan van der Eijk wrote:
 
Anyone disagree?
 
 
 Yeah. (-:
 
 Despite the confusion it entails, there are a lot of long-term benefits to 
 having several disparate approaches and some decentralisation. Willing 
 co-operation between the `outliers' so that (for example) PLF and Texstar 
 RPMs are always interoperable would be nice, though.

I think PLF will have to be realistic and rather start adding Obsoletes
tags to stuff like kdemoreartwork-liquid (for mosfet-liquid or whatever
Tex calls it).

 
 The PLF page with all of the natty URPMI stuff is here, IMHO Mandrake should 
 have something similar for their own stuff:
 
 http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php

# urpmi urpmi.setup
# urpmi.setup

(Doesn't work behind an authenticating proxy though, I want to know how
to setup a urpmi.setup source so I can host one internally here for
other students ...)

Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] icons/default/index.theme missing

2003-01-30 Thread John Allen
On Thursday 30 January 2003 01:37, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 23:49, Jason Komar wrote:
  On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 16:41, Bret Baptist wrote:

 How do you mean, temporary workaround? This isn't a bug, it's a design
 choice. The reversion to old cursors is mentioned in the changelog of
 the latest X as something MDK have decided to do.

Well it now appears to be in /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme
along with all the other index.theme files. 

Cool eh.

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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users (the problem with aRts)

2003-01-30 Thread John Allen
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 22:14, Austin Acton wrote:
 Hey,
 I ran a mini survey on Linux Audio Users Group to ask people about
 Mandrake.  Mostly I just wanted to know what packages to work on, but I
 also asked them what we needed to improve to make 9.1 the primo audio
 distribution (other than more software).

The problem with aRts is that is does not run with real-time priority, so for 
example switching desktops causes a blip in audio playback.

aRts needs to be suid root, and switch to the current user after it has set 
prority to real-time.

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Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakconf-9.1-0.13mdk

2003-01-30 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  yep, i forget to update ugtk2.pm from perl-GTK2.
  just update to the last one i uploaded a couple of hours ago.
  
 
 rpm -q drakconf
 drakconf-9.1-0.13mdk

install perl-GTK2-0.0.cvs.2003.01.27.1-2mdk.i586.rpm !





Re: [Cooker] Easy Idea to Make Mandrake Better: Fast User Switching

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Timothy R. Butler wrote:
 Hi everyone,
   I'd like to propose an idea that I think could easily be implemented by 9.1
 final and would be really great. I mean, wonderful.  Most of you probably
 know the term Fast user switching from the Windows XP marketingspeak. Most
 of you also know that GNU/Linux is fully capable of doing the same thing.
 

This is something I have requested before, Mandrakesoft, please consider it!

Of course, we have had this much longer than XP, but the
point-and-clickers (the one's who would currently not be able to fix
their mouse with MCC if their mouse wasn't working) would think XP had
it first, because XP has a GUI for it.

   The problem is, until recently, no one bothered to implement a GUI for this.
 Now Xandros has full fast user switching functionality -- there is a menu
 option that lets you login as another user (i.e. start another X session) or
 easily jump to another open session -- another tty). Red Hat, using gdm,
 offers the former functionality, but not the latter (you must still use
 Ctrl+Alt+F[num] combinations to switch).
 

IMHO, kdm needs to implement this, and the two need to be compatible, so
if I am running gdm, but using KDE, the logout dialog still offers the
options I get if I'm running kdm.

   Now, I'm not sure if Xandros' modifications are GPL'ed or not, but even if
 they weren't, I'd imagine that they would be very easy to reimplement on
 Mandrake. Since GNU/Linux already has the capability, it is a real shame not
 to exploit it, I think. If MDK implemented both pieces of the puzzle that I
 mention above, it would be the FIRST major distribution to do so, and would
 also be the FIRST Free Software-friendly distro to do so.
 
   With it being mostly implementing a simple gui to watch open X sessions and
 allow easy launching of additional X tty's seems to me something that would
 take very little effort but be nice to brag about on the 9.1 press release.

All we need is:
-New login support in kdm like gdm has, so that they are compatible
-A visible menu to Change users, which lists current sessions, and has
an option for a new session
-Lock the current session (via screensaver) just before switching.

I haven't used the XP user switching GUI, so there might be better ways
of doing this.

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Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakconf-9.1-0.13mdk

2003-01-30 Thread francesco.melo
Thierry Vignaud wrote:


Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 

yep, i forget to update ugtk2.pm from perl-GTK2.
just update to the last one i uploaded a couple of hours ago.

 

rpm -q drakconf
drakconf-9.1-0.13mdk
   


install perl-GTK2-0.0.cvs.2003.01.27.1-2mdk.i586.rpm !



 

i still have christmas  and happy new year splash screen ..is it 
possible to change it?

thanks

francesco




Re: [Cooker] Broken KFMCLIENT in last update

2003-01-30 Thread Simone Riccio
Robert Fox wrote:


On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 18:13, Jason Straight wrote:
 

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On Wednesday 29 January 2003 12:56 pm, Crispin Boylan wrote:
   

i get the same behaviour, neither the browser or the home page will open
and give me the same errors.  I'm not using a newly installed system
either, I was fine on rc6, its when i updated kdebase to 3.1-1mdk (2mdk
and 3mdk have not fixed the behaviour either) that the problem started
occuring.  I've also tried recreating the .kde directory from scratch
and the problem still occurs.

cheers
cris.
 

Does this also happen with a newly created user?

   


I reported this earlier (KDE 3.1 broken) - and I have confirmed this
problem with BOTH upgraded systems and fresh installs.

I just performed a complete fresh install on a test notebook and the
same problem occurs with kfmclient.

Thx,
R.Fox


 

I can confirm the beavior! Fresh install updated with cooker packages 
for kde 3.1...

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Re: [Cooker] icons/default/index.theme missing

2003-01-30 Thread Simone Riccio
Adam Williamson wrote:


On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 23:49, Jason Komar wrote:
 

On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 16:41, Bret Baptist wrote:
   

I updated my cooker to the newest XFree86 last night and noticed that the 
cursor was back to the old boring style.  I went on a search and found out 
that there is no /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/index.theme to be found.  
In fact the icons directory is missing!  What is the deal?

Here are the versions of XFree86:
XFree86-server-4.2.99.5-0.20030127.1mdk
XFree86-libs-4.2.99.5-0.20030127.1mdk
XFree86-4.2.99.5-0.20030127.1mdk
XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.2.99.5-0.20030127.1mdk
XFree86-xfs-4.2.99.5-0.20030127.1mdk
XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.2.99.5-0.20030127.1mdk

Thanks!
 

I noticed the same thing. A temporary work-around is to create a
.Xdefaults file in your home directory. Mine contains:

# default user settings for X
---
Xcursor.size: 16
Xcursor.theme: whiteglass
---
# eof
   


How do you mean, temporary workaround? This isn't a bug, it's a design
choice. The reversion to old cursors is mentioned in the changelog of
the latest X as something MDK have decided to do.
 

. i don't like the choice much... white and redglass looked muh more 
modern...

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[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] gkrellm-2.1.7a-1mdk

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Frederic Crozat wrote:
 --=-=-=
 Name: gkrellm  Relocations: (not relocateable)
 Version : 2.1.7aVendor: MandrakeSoft
 Release : 1mdk  Build Date: Thu Jan 30 09:54:46 2003
 Install date: (not installed)   Build Host: hp6.mandrakesoft.com
 Group   : MonitoringSource RPM: (none)
 Size: 859025   License: GPL
 Packager: Mandrake Linux Team http://www.mandrakeexpert.com
 URL : http://gkrellm.net/
 Summary : Multiple stacked system monitors
 Description :

 --=-=-=
 
 * Thu Jan 30 2003 Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.1.7a-1mdk
 
 - Release 2.1.7a
 

Can the next person who updates gkrellm please:

1) Replace the  in the gkrellm init script with -d
2) Re-enable the init script (both in %install and %files server)

Since 2.1.0 it correctly detaches from the tty with the -d option, so it
can be re-enabled

Regards,
Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Jesper Noer Pedersen
On Torsdag den 30. januar 2003 09:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 29 Jan 2003, Austin Acton wrote:
  I asked for people's biggest beef with 9.0 w/r/t audio apps.  Here's
  what I got (please comment if you know a good answer):
  1. supermount in 9.0 sucks

 tell them to become clubmembers :)


I happen to be a clubmember and I have looked everywhere, but I just can't 
find that kernel where supermount is working. Any help? Please

Jesper Noer




Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 02:13, Leon Brooks wrote:
 On Thursday 30 January 2003 09:42 am, Adam Williamson wrote:
  esd and arts should never walk all over each other -
  one belongs to GNOME and should only be running when GNOME is running,
  one belongs to KDE and should only be running when KDE is running.
 
 I run KDE on :0 and GNOME on :1 so where do I stand? (-:
 
 If I have a multi-screen machine (e.g. four screens, four video cards, four 
 sets of USB mice and keyboards), and the users on these screens are running 
 disparate WM's, where do they stand WRT sound daemons?
 
 Have the designers of these things forgotten that they're running on a 
 multi-USER system?

Wow, I wish I had your RAM :). Interesting point that, I must admit I
don't know. You'd have to check with the docs, or the designers.
-- 
adamw





Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 02:57, George Mitchell wrote:

 If I can just jump in on this, there is certainly a big hole when it 
 comes to trying to configure an ISA sound chip.  I have been unable to 
 properly configure my ALS 120 chip since 7.2 and the 2.2 kernel.  Plain 
 old audio has worked with fits and starts and midi has NEVER worked 
 right since then.  The Red Hat sndconfig program no longer even attempts 
 to configure midi, which makes stellar apps like Rosegarden next to 
 useless for me.  I am hoping for some miracle with the 2.6 kernel.

I doubt you'll get it. Obsoleting hardware does need to be done at
*some* point and I don't think too many people are lamenting the ISA
bus...
-- 
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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 04:39, Brook Humphrey wrote:

  Plus a seriously dedicated audio workstation probably would avoid the
  overhead of KDE and use blackbox or something anyway.
 
 Not true I run kde on everything. Can't stand gnome. Started using mandrake 
 about 5.3 time because it had kde. Wish it didn't have gnome at all. So can 
 we please stop the kde bashing. 

No-one was bashing KDE, or pushing GNOME. Brook was pointing out that
for a single task which requires heavy resources, a lightweight WM
(Blackbox, IceWM) makes more sense than a heavyweight one (KDE **OR**
GNOME).

 I even run kde on my server box's. Every try to sell a box to windows users 
 that are used to looking at a gui? Let me tell you gnome don't cut it. and 
 they want something. Kde is close enough to windows they get around really 
 easy.

Is there a comp.windowmanager.advocacy newsgroup? If not, there needs to
be. :)

I came to Mandrake directly from Windows, picked GNOME out of the WM
options I was given pretty much at random, and it's always worked for
me. So don't presume to know everything.

 Having said that I like to record under linux but have not been able to with 
 9.0 even when the app is run through soundwrapper. So something still needs 
 to be done for this to work properly.

This is a problem with your sound driver. Recording is fine on my
machines. I'd file a bug at OSS or ALSA, depending on which driver you
use.
-- 
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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 06:02, Lonnie Borntreger wrote:

 It would be REAL nice if we could get a common multi-open interface
 across all of Linux.  Of course, I believe this would work the best if
 done at the driver level eliminating the need for artsd, esd, jack,
 etc.  Anything higher than the driver means that the apps have to be
 developed to that API, as opposed to the normal audio API so you'll
 never have all apps work and play together.  I'm sure I'll get kicked
 for that point of view...

Not at all. I thought that was part of the point of ALSA? Doesn't it
support multiple opening at the driver level?
-- 
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Re: [Cooker] icons/default/index.theme missing

2003-01-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 09:08, Simone Riccio wrote:

 How do you mean, temporary workaround? This isn't a bug, it's a design
 choice. The reversion to old cursors is mentioned in the changelog of
 the latest X as something MDK have decided to do.
   
 
 . i don't like the choice much... white and redglass looked muh more 
 modern...

Well, I happen to agree, but that doesn't make it a bug :). The post I
was replying to had a method for restoring whiteglass.
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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Jesper Noer Pedersen wrote:
 On Torsdag den 30. januar 2003 09:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
On 29 Jan 2003, Austin Acton wrote:

I asked for people's biggest beef with 9.0 w/r/t audio apps.  Here's
what I got (please comment if you know a good answer):
1. supermount in 9.0 sucks

tell them to become clubmembers :)

 
 
 I happen to be a clubmember and I have looked everywhere, but I just can't 
 find that kernel where supermount is working. Any help? Please

Click the RPM Voting thing in the navigation bar, then in the RPM
voting nav bar, choose search. Enter 'kernel', choose 9.0/i586 in the
drop-down boxes, and his the search button.

Alternatively, do the urpmi.addmedia for club-testing-9.0-i586, and
'urpmq kernel-' or use rpmrake.

Buchan


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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread mika . laitio
Problem is that most of the users would newer quess that they need to 
disable some pam_console for getting sounds... Or even if they know that 
they need to disable pam_console
they would need to find out how to really do that...

Mika





David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
30.01.2003 05:28
Please respond to cooker

 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc: 
Subject:Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users


I've seen that happen on 8.x, I had to disable
pam_console for the sound devices.  I haven't had any
problems with that on 9.x though.

--- James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 with audio stuff. I have had the situation where I
 have started KDE,
 logged off, logged into GNOME and not had any sound
 because artsd was
 still running. It's probably not a very common
 situation, but it does
 occasionally happen.
 
 James.
 
 
 

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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Austin Acton wrote:
 Survey results:
 
 I asked what apps we were missing.  They listed about 30 total.  I've
 got a lot of work to do.  :-(
 

Would you lije to make a list? Are any of them currently in club or on
on thac's site (http://rpm.nyvalls.se/sound9.0.html)?

 I asked them to list their three favorite audio apps (excluding
 libraries, mixers, and ogg/mp3 encoders/players).
 56% of the votes were for apps currently in cooker/contrib
 28% of the votes were for packages we don't have
 6% were for apps we can't include for legal reasons
 

Are the 6% all in PLF (if they are acceptable there?).

Buchan
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Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakconf-9.1-0.13mdk

2003-01-30 Thread Thierry Vignaud
francesco.melo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 i still have christmas and happy new year splash screen ..is it
 possible to change it?

the designer has not yet finish the theme, i'm like everybody, i'm
waiting for it :-)





Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   6. no easy way to disable arts, and it interferes with
   everything
  
  arts is what allows different progs to share a single /dev/dsp.
 
 seems like alsa can do this too on some hardware, with no need for
 arts...

only if hw supports it of course..





Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  2. drakx in 9.0 doesn't detect USB audio devices or MIDI devices
 
 uh, what's this? can you tell more?
 esp. a /proc/bus/usb/devices on a box having such hardware?

we've both audio and snd-usb-audio.
usb hotplug support should take care of it.

i think there's an usb sound device a the 4th floor if you want to
test.





Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Adam Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Not at all. I thought that was part of the point of ALSA? Doesn't it
 support multiple opening at the driver level?

only if hw supports it :

tv@vador asound/card0/pcm0p $ cat info
card: 0
device: 0
subdevice: 0
stream: PLAYBACK
id: Intel ICH
name: Intel 82801AA-ICH
subname: subdevice #0
class: 0
subclass: 0
subdevices_count: 1   - This tells you how many streams the sound
 card can handle in hardware at the same time.
 E.g. Only one application at a time can use the card.
subdevices_avail: 0   - This tells you how many streams are left
 (here xmms currently eat my sound card)

sb live have subdevices_avail count as 32 because the it can handle 32
streams at once in hardware.




as for software mix, there were some attempts (the smix plugin[1],
portaudio, ...)

there are other applications/tools you can use, one of which is jack
that allows for multiple audio streams mixed in software and lots of
other cool stuff.


[1] never finished :-(





[Cooker] Better support for LDAP

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
We're completing our LDAP setup now, in conjunction with the samba-ldap
packages, and it is really starting to work well (except for the small
niggles such as with ssh/ssl etc).

So, I am trying to make setting up an LDAP server easier, and I would
also appreciate feedback on the samba-ldap stuff from others who are
using it (or just LDAP, but might want better tools).

I don't know if it's appropriate for this list, and may be too
high-volume for [EMAIL PROTECTED], so if you're interested in
working on these issues, mail me off-list (unless significant numbers
think it should stay on-list) and I will cc everyone tomorrow to get going.

In the meantime, here is the wizard I have started on. I am not sure if
drakwizard is rich enough for this (we will need a password entry field,
which I don't think drakwizard supports, and for importing ldap entries
a progress dialog would be nice), but I think it's worth a start.

However, since I'm not good with perl, it would help if someone who is
could lend a hand, I can tell you exactly what I need done, and
prototype in bash ...

To try the drakwizard:
1)urpmi drakwizard

2)Get this:
http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/cooker/drakwizard-ldap-0.0.20030130.tar.gz

and untar it in /usr/share/wizards


Goal is to provide a gui that does all the basics:
1)Setup ldap server in master or slave
1a)if master, be able to import data from the system (with
openldap-migration and another script for samba users)
1b)If slave, be able to import data from the master via 'ldapsearch -x
-h master -D $rootdn -w $rootpw|su ldap - -c slapadd -c
2)Be able to add/remove slave servers to a master server, so that you
can setup a slave server in 1b (prompting when to do what on the other
machine).


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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Steffen Barszus
On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:32, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 06:02, Lonnie Borntreger wrote:
  It would be REAL nice if we could get a common multi-open interface
  across all of Linux.  Of course, I believe this would work the best if
  done at the driver level eliminating the need for artsd, esd, jack,
  etc.  Anything higher than the driver means that the apps have to be
  developed to that API, as opposed to the normal audio API so you'll
  never have all apps work and play together.  I'm sure I'll get kicked
  for that point of view...

 Not at all. I thought that was part of the point of ALSA? Doesn't it
 support multiple opening at the driver level?

At least it seems to work, no clue if it was the intention. with both , my 
cs46xx (terratec dmx-fire 1024) and my former onboard AC97 I was allways able 
to oben several mplayers a bunch of xmms' and let them all play. The problem 
of artsd is that it takes over /dev/dsp exclusiv (for me the only application 
i know that do this). So if I want to hear music or start mplayer 'killall 
artsd' is mandatory. Another solution would be to set the artsd idletime to 
3-5s and switch off all soundevents in kde.
With killed artsd I never had any problems with sound in any apps (beside I 
don't use any kde-app for sound or video) But I'm not too deep in audio. 


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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Steffen Barszus
On Thursday 30 January 2003 01:10, Pixel wrote:
 Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   6. no easy way to disable arts, and it interferes with everything
 
  arts is what allows different progs to share a single /dev/dsp.

 seems like alsa can do this too on some hardware, with no need for
 arts...

Yes it can. The question is: Is OSS not capable to do this ? If both 
(OSSAlsa) are able to do so arts is obsolete isn't it ? Can someone with 
knowledge comment on this ? 

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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Steffen Barszus
On Thursday 30 January 2003 00:30, Todd Lyons wrote:

  5. no GUI to change sound card settings a.k.a. draksound is too basic

 Do you mean the settings that are necessary to be changed for older ISA
 sound cards?  PCI cards don't have those settings.  If they're looking
 for the mixer settings, then they need to run aumix or kmix.  If you're
 looking for just a button to fire up aumix/kmix, that might be
 reasonable.


I guess mixer setup is not the only thing when it comes to soundcards. I can't 
speak for cooker, but in 9.0 draksound was to basic and had problems. I was 
not able to change my soundcard with draksound. 

It sets up only a simple 2-speaker alsa-oss-emulation for my terratec dmx-fire 
1024. With the information given on www.alsa-project.org I have 4 speaker, 
spdif and some other things. I don't know if there is an easy solution for 
this, since there are other far more complicated soundcards than mine ( think 
of audigy or other higher quality cards)
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[Cooker] [Bug 1142] [drakconf] Mandrake Control Center has lots of dummy description entries

2003-01-30 Thread [Bug 1142]
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1142

[EMAIL PROTECTED] changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution||FIXED



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This is Mandrake 9.1 beta 1, but I've also seen this in 9.1 beta 2 (I'm using beta 1 
because 
beta 1 works with my network card (SiS900) and beta 2 doesn't). 
 
Every section has these on every icon.  Do a grep for dummy description in the 
source 
and you'll see all the areas (I guess -- I'm not sure how the source is set up, it 
could be 
getting this from a single source I suppose).




[Cooker] [Bug 1147] [Hardware] New: pcmcia blocks boot

2003-01-30 Thread [Bug 1147]
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1147

   Product: Hardware
 Component: Hardware
   Summary: pcmcia blocks boot
   Version: 9.1-0.1mdk
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: blocker
  Priority: P1
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Beta 2.  Toshiba Portege 7010CT, vanilla.  docked.  no pcmcia cards inserted.

Installation of MD 9.1b2 (or knoppix) is fine.

However, on the first boot from hard disk, during the standard startup, at
PCMCIA  the computer locks totally.  It requires a hard reboot, then a knoppix
reboot to delete /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia so that booting works.

(I also tried it with -v.  the last thing I see before hard death is uname -r.
the computer is not superfast, so this is painful.)



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[Cooker] [Bug 1148] [ggv] New: ggv pdf rendering under gnome 2.2 looks terrible

2003-01-30 Thread [Bug 1148]
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1148

   Product: ggv
 Component: ggv
   Summary: ggv pdf rendering under gnome 2.2 looks terrible
   Version: 1.99.97-3mdk
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


It seems that there is a problem with the rendering of ggv in the gnome 2.0
series . The same pdf is rendered passibly by both gv and xpdf but ggv's
rendering is almost illegible. This seems to be a font aa problem of some sort.

thanks,
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[Cooker] [Bug 1149] [kernel-source] New: make menuconfig fails on ALSA component

2003-01-30 Thread [Bug 1149]
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1149

   Product: kernel-source
 Component: kernel-source
   Summary: make menuconfig fails on ALSA component
   Version: 2.4.21-0.pre3.3mdk
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Running 'make menuconfig' and navigating to the ALSA configuration results in 
a crash. the patch below fixes this.

diff -Nuarp linux-2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk/arch/i386/config.in linux-2.4.21-
0.pre3.1mdk.new/arch/i386/config.in
--- linux-2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk/arch/i386/config.in2003-01-16 
18:18:19.0 +0200
+++ linux-2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk.new/arch/i386/config.in2003-01-19 
14:03:57.0 +0200
@@ -451,6 +451,8 @@ if [ $CONFIG_VT = y ]; then
endmenu
 fi
 
+source drivers/usb/Config.in
+
 mainmenu_option next_comment
 comment 'Sound'
 
@@ -460,8 +462,6 @@ if [ $CONFIG_SOUND != n ]; then
 fi
 endmenu
 
-source drivers/usb/Config.in
-
 source net/bluetooth/Config.in
 
 mainmenu_option next_comment
diff -Nuarp linux-2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk/sound/Config.in linux-2.4.21-
0.pre3.1mdk.new/sound/Config.in
--- linux-2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk/sound/Config.in2003-01-16 18:18:14.0 
+0200
+++ linux-2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk.new/sound/Config.in2003-01-19 
14:04:36.0 +0200
@@ -8,7 +8,6 @@ dep_tristate 'Advanced Linux Sound Archi
 if [ $CONFIG_SND != n ]; then
   source sound/core/Config.in
   source sound/drivers/Config.in
-  source sound/usb/Config.in
 fi
 if [ $CONFIG_SND != n -a $CONFIG_ISA = y ]; then
   source sound/isa/Config.in



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[Cooker] [Bug 1149] [kernel-source] make menuconfig fails on ALSA component

2003-01-30 Thread [Bug 1149]
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1149





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Created an attachment (id=135)
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patch for ALSA

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Running 'make menuconfig' and navigating to the ALSA configuration results in 
a crash. the patch below fixes this.

diff -Nuarp linux-2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk/arch/i386/config.in linux-2.4.21-
0.pre3.1mdk.new/arch/i386/config.in
--- linux-2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk/arch/i386/config.in2003-01-16 
18:18:19.0 +0200
+++ linux-2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk.new/arch/i386/config.in2003-01-19 
14:03:57.0 +0200
@@ -451,6 +451,8 @@ if [ $CONFIG_VT = y ]; then
endmenu
 fi
 
+source drivers/usb/Config.in
+
 mainmenu_option next_comment
 comment 'Sound'
 
@@ -460,8 +462,6 @@ if [ $CONFIG_SOUND != n ]; then
 fi
 endmenu
 
-source drivers/usb/Config.in
-
 source net/bluetooth/Config.in
 
 mainmenu_option next_comment
diff -Nuarp linux-2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk/sound/Config.in linux-2.4.21-
0.pre3.1mdk.new/sound/Config.in
--- linux-2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk/sound/Config.in2003-01-16 18:18:14.0 
+0200
+++ linux-2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk.new/sound/Config.in2003-01-19 
14:04:36.0 +0200
@@ -8,7 +8,6 @@ dep_tristate 'Advanced Linux Sound Archi
 if [ $CONFIG_SND != n ]; then
   source sound/core/Config.in
   source sound/drivers/Config.in
-  source sound/usb/Config.in
 fi
 if [ $CONFIG_SND != n -a $CONFIG_ISA = y ]; then
   source sound/isa/Config.in




Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] gkrellm-2.1.7a-1mdk

2003-01-30 Thread Frederic Crozat
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:26:27 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:

 Frederic Crozat wrote:
 --=-=-=
 Name: gkrellm  Relocations: (not relocateable)
 Version : 2.1.7aVendor: MandrakeSoft
 Release : 1mdk  Build Date: Thu Jan 30 09:54:46 2003
 Install date: (not installed)   Build Host: hp6.mandrakesoft.com
 Group   : MonitoringSource RPM: (none)
 Size: 859025   License: GPL
 Packager: Mandrake Linux Team http://www.mandrakeexpert.com
 URL : http://gkrellm.net/
 Summary : Multiple stacked system monitors
 Description :
 
 --=-=-=
 
 * Thu Jan 30 2003 Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.1.7a-1mdk
 
 - Release 2.1.7a
 
 
 Can the next person who updates gkrellm please:
 
 1) Replace the  in the gkrellm init script with -d
 2) Re-enable the init script (both in 0nstall and 0.00iles server)
 
 Since 2.1.0 it correctly detaches from the tty with the -d option, so it
 can be re-enabled

Thanks, I'll fix that :)

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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 3. no low-latency patched kernel
 Honestly I thought it had some patches applied, but I guess not.

CD09_mini_low_latency.patch patch in the kernel source :)





Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Austin Acton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 2. drakx in 9.0 doesn't detect USB audio devices or MIDI devices

 uh, what's this? can you tell more?
 esp. a /proc/bus/usb/devices on a box having such hardware?

it should be done by hotplug, last time (8.1 time) i had that stuff on
my desktop and we had configured it automatically.





Re: [Cooker] Re: Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Brian J. Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Well, if you are going to include that, you may as well add the
 O_STREAMING patch (sorry, don't have a URL handy, Internet connection

we have a mini_latency patch included developed from Andrew
Morton. But i didn't here about the O_STREAMING stuff.. (and i don't
like new syscall in mdk kernel)





Re: [Cooker] Booting PXE clients with dhcpd/tftp

2003-01-30 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
J.A. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Someone has a setup like this and got it working with current cooker ?

you may want to ask this on mnf@, florin is hangout there and should
be able to answer to your questions.





Hebrew Support (was: [Cooker] hebrew don`t work in MDK 9.1 B)

2003-01-30 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
nadav mavor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 during the install in hebrew sam of the button are blank
 and in the drakcronat the hebrew is backward
 any idears ?

we tested yesterday the hebrew version of mcc and it was looking
good (except some missing translation). The PO file himself is writen
backward (which look weird definitely) but it display nicely under
GTK2.





[Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] geotiff-1.1.4-6mdk

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Lenny Cartier wrote:
 [Contrib-RPM]
 
 --=-=-=
 Name: geotiff  Relocations: (not relocateable)
 Version : 1.1.4 Vendor: MandrakeSoft
 Release : 6mdk  Build Date: Thu Jan 30 08:28:59 2003
 Install date: (not installed)   Build Host: bi.mandrakesoft.com
 Group   : Sciences/Geosciences  Source RPM: (none)
 Size: 343818   License: Public Domain / MIT
 Packager: Lenny Cartier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 URL : http://www.remotesensing.com/geotiff/geotiff.html
URL is wrong, should be:
http://www.remotesensing.org/geotiff/geotiff.html

1.2.0 is current

ftp://ftp.remotesensing.org/pub/geotiff/libgeotiff/libgeotiff-1.2.0.tar.gz

It might mean I can build gdal against this, instead of gdal's internal
copy.

Regards,
Buchan

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[Cooker] Re: Hebrew Support

2003-01-30 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Chmouel Boudjnah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 we tested yesterday the hebrew version of mcc and it was looking
 good (except some missing translation). The PO file himself is writen
 backward (which look weird definitely) but it display nicely under
 GTK2.

humm i tested the install and it's all fine execpt it was missing the
pango module for xft hebrew. The fonts are quit ugly thougt.





Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Chmouel Boudjnah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 well so it's not a problem with our detection stuff it just a driver
 to get integrated for some kind of media.

i looked at the driver and it's quite unusefull if we integrate the
driver without all the utils and the firmware upgrade. If someone got
this such beast we can try to work with him to get it works.





Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
Austin Acton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 2. drakx in 9.0 doesn't detect USB audio devices or MIDI devices

What's that? How to detect it? Somewhere in cooker has one?

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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Guillaume Cottenceau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Austin Acton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 2. drakx in 9.0 doesn't detect USB audio devices or MIDI devices

 What's that? How to detect it? Somewhere in cooker has one?

see titi and me answer before posting :p





Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
Guillaume Cottenceau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Austin Acton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  2. drakx in 9.0 doesn't detect USB audio devices or MIDI devices
 
 What's that? How to detect it? Somewhere in cooker has one?

Ignore that - I didn't notice the loads of other answers at first
sight..

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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 10:25, Steffen Barszus wrote:

 At least it seems to work, no clue if it was the intention. with both , my 
 cs46xx (terratec dmx-fire 1024) and my former onboard AC97 I was allways able 
 to oben several mplayers a bunch of xmms' and let them all play. The problem 
 of artsd is that it takes over /dev/dsp exclusiv (for me the only application 
 i know that do this). So if I want to hear music or start mplayer 'killall 
 artsd' is mandatory. Another solution would be to set the artsd idletime to 
 3-5s and switch off all soundevents in kde.

Er, that's because if you use a sound server you're meant to route *all*
sound through it. If you're using arts, you should run xmms and mplayer
through soundwrapper (run them as soundwrapper xmms and soundwrapper
mplayer, not just xmms and mplayer). If you look at Mandrake's menu
entries for e.g. xmms, this is how they're launched.
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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 10:31, Steffen Barszus wrote:
 On Thursday 30 January 2003 01:10, Pixel wrote:
  Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
6. no easy way to disable arts, and it interferes with everything
  
   arts is what allows different progs to share a single /dev/dsp.
 
  seems like alsa can do this too on some hardware, with no need for
  arts...
 
 Yes it can. The question is: Is OSS not capable to do this ? If both 
 (OSSAlsa) are able to do so arts is obsolete isn't it ? Can someone with 
 knowledge comment on this ? 

a) I don't believe OSS can, and b) no it isn't. As someone else said, it
can only be done by ALSA if it's supported in hardware. Many cards do
this, but some (including quite a lot of onboard sound chips) can't.
arts, esd etc. can do it with any sound hardware, because they combine
the streams themselves and just send one to the hardware (at least, I
believe that's how they work.)
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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Pascal Cavy
Le Jeudi 30 Janvier 2003 12:29, Adam Williamson a écrit :

 Er, that's because if you use a sound server you're meant to route *all*
 sound through it. If you're using arts, you should run xmms and mplayer
 through soundwrapper (run them as soundwrapper xmms and soundwrapper
 mplayer, not just xmms and mplayer). If you look at Mandrake's menu
 entries for e.g. xmms, this is how they're launched.

you can also use an arts output plugin for these apps : ie xmms-arts for 
example.

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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Pascal Cavy
Le Jeudi 30 Janvier 2003 12:31, Chmouel Boudjnah a écrit :
 Chmouel Boudjnah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  well so it's not a problem with our detection stuff it just a driver
  to get integrated for some kind of media.

 i looked at the driver and it's quite unusefull if we integrate the
 driver without all the utils and the firmware upgrade. If someone got
 this such beast we can try to work with him to get it works.

Hi 

one of my friends has one, but he is not linux expert. He installed mdk9.0 and 
I compiled this driver on his system. I can have remote accesss to his 
machine if necessary to make some tests.

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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Hey,

 one of my friends has one, but he is not linux expert. He installed mdk9.0 and 
 I compiled this driver on his system. I can have remote accesss to his 
 machine if necessary to make some tests.

that's mostly for the user-space package i will need help and maybe
talk about that with titi..





[Cooker] mcc generic monitor resolution options

2003-01-30 Thread Felix Miata
Standard aspect ratio is 4/3. Available resolutions in 9.0 in 4/3 ratio
for CRT are 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768  1600x1200. The only choice
between 1024x768  1600x1200 is 1280x1024, which is a 5/4 ratio that
distorts everything (see URL in .sig). Why are more 4/3 options not
offered, such as 960x720, 1152x864, 1280x960, 1400x1050 or 1800x1350?
Should I file a bug to ask that these be added to 9.1?
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Re: [Cooker] Fast User Switching done right

2003-01-30 Thread Leon Brooks
On Thursday 30 January 2003 05:21 pm, Buchan Milne wrote:
 Timothy R. Butler wrote:
   I'd like to propose an idea that I think could easily be implemented by
 9.1 final and would be really great. I mean, wonderful.  Most of you
 probably know the term Fast user switching from the Windows XP
 marketingspeak. Most of you also know that GNU/Linux is fully capable of
 doing the same thing.

 Of course, we have had this much longer than XP, but the
 point-and-clickers (the one's who would currently not be able to fix
 their mouse with MCC if their mouse wasn't working) would think XP had
 it first, because XP has a GUI for it.

What we have is different. There is no security, for example. Someone could 
wander in, switch to their own screen and be working on it when you came 
back, and if you assumed you had logged out they would then be likely to have 
an opportunity to go through your stuff.

What would be needed to work around this are a text-mode tool and 
modifications to the screensavers (in KDE and xscreensaver).

The screensaver mod would detect the X instance losing focus and immediately 
throw the screensaver into a mode where it locked the session until it again 
achieved focus, then whoever focussed on the session would need to know the 
user's password to be able to get past the screensaver.

Likewise the text console mod would blank the console when it lost focus, and 
demand a password before unblanking when focus returned.

One useful advanced feature of these mods would be to not do this if focus 
arrived from an unlocked session owned by the same user. Another would be the 
option of starting a new session as a different user, or by identifying 
yourself as an administrator.

A feature I would like to see in screensavers is awareness of power 
management, so that when the screen was suspended or powered down, the 
screensaver just displayed black and stopped chewing CPU cycles (SIGSTP?).

The next step beyond this is complete session management, like Sun's, where 
your X session goes through a virtual X server which is basically just a 
router. You can then park a session somewhere, which routes it to a 'null' X 
server (bit-bucket), wander off to another screen (potentially on the same 
box) and unpark the session from the other box.

A *really*cool* option for this would be multiple independent sessions for the 
same user, that is, when you log in you get the option of starting a new 
session, unparking a parked session, or `snatching' an active session from 
another screen.

For the penultimate in coolosity, wire the consoles and/or `screen' program 
into the same logic. To see just how cool this would be in real life, 
consider this scenario:

You are called away from work to a customer site at the wrong end
of a modem. You ssh in to work, which sees no DISPLAY envar so does
not offer you anything graphical. You start a new session, but you
could have taken over one of your Konsole windows if it had been
useful. You start a new console session fix a bug, compile the result
and push it to your updates server, where this and other clients can
easily fetch it. Test, iterate. The day ends, you go home and log in.
Your home machine `knows' about your work machine so it offers you
sessions on that as well as a new one. You `snatch' your work
session, glance at your MRTG graphs, scroll back through a few of
your IRC sessions, note that the customer needs an extra piece, so
scp it from your home machine to the FTP server at work. Because the
inbound scp is not a terminal, it automatically gets a new text
session. You start another compile at work, open a new session at
home and get into some seriously relaxing bzfragging.

Challenge an XP user to do that (-: even using VNC it would be clumsy and 
slow, if it could be done, and using VNC on an XP box is illegal :-)

I'd be surprised if the `X router' didn't already exist somewhere.

Cheers; Leon





Re: [Cooker] Problem with kde 3.1

2003-01-30 Thread Marco Donati
Thanks!

I resolve it...

I had to change QTDIR from /usr/local/qt where was qt 3.1.0 in
/usr/lib/qt3/lib where is qt3.1.1

 

On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 10:00, Buchan Milne wrote:
 Marco Donati wrote:
  I just installed kde 3.1 by RPM from Cooker...
 
 On 9.0?
 
  
  I have a problem...
  
  if i execute startkde as a user i have a relocation error in
  libkdeui.so.4
 
 Yes, this will happen if you installed KDE3.1 from cooker on 9.0.
 
  
  Instead if i try to log as user and then i write
  su
  password
  
  and i execute startkde as root X start well...
  
 
 root's setup under KDE differs from normal users.
 
 If you're on 9.0, either rebuild the src.rpm's from cooker, on your box,
 or wait till packages for 9.0 are availble from the KDE FTP mirrors.
 
 Buchan
 
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[Cooker] MySpell Bulgarian dependancies

2003-01-30 Thread Robert Fox
Somehow MySpell Bulgarian got installed and when I try to remove it - it
says:

[root@foxbase rfox]# urpme myspell-bg_BG-1.0.1-0.20020716.5mdk
To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be removed
(42 MB):
OpenOffice.org-1.0.1-10mdk
OpenOffice.org-l10n-en-1.0.1-10mdk
mozilla-spellchecker-1.3-0.alpha.3mdk
myspell-bg_BG-1.0.1-0.20020716.5mdk
Is this OK? (Y/n)

Huh?

Thanks,
R.Fox
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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread gabor
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 11:31, Steffen Barszus wrote:
 On Thursday 30 January 2003 01:10, Pixel wrote:
  Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
6. no easy way to disable arts, and it interferes with everything
  
   arts is what allows different progs to share a single /dev/dsp.
 
  seems like alsa can do this too on some hardware, with no need for
  arts...
 
 Yes it can. The question is: Is OSS not capable to do this ? If both 
 (OSSAlsa) are able to do so arts is obsolete isn't it ? Can someone with 
 knowledge comment on this ? 

OSS and ALSA are the same on this. if the hardware ( soundcard )
supports it then the oss or alsa driver supports it ( like sb-live ) ,
and if not, then the ossalsa drivers don't support it ( like sb-128pci
).

os arts is not obsolete.

gabor





Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread gabor
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 12:27, Adam Williamson wrote:
 6. no easy way to disable arts, and it interferes with everything
   
arts is what allows different progs to share a single /dev/dsp.
  
   seems like alsa can do this too on some hardware, with no need for
   arts...
  
  Yes it can. The question is: Is OSS not capable to do this ? If both 
  (OSSAlsa) are able to do so arts is obsolete isn't it ? Can someone with 
  knowledge comment on this ? 
 
 a) I don't believe OSS can

OSS can do it ( sb-live, with OSS drivers for example )

gabor






Re: [Cooker] MySpell Bulgarian dependancies

2003-01-30 Thread François Pons
Le jeu 30/01/2003 à 14:52, Robert Fox a écrit :
 Somehow MySpell Bulgarian got installed and when I try to remove it - it
 says:
 
 [root@foxbase rfox]# urpme myspell-bg_BG-1.0.1-0.20020716.5mdk
 To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be removed
 (42 MB):
 OpenOffice.org-1.0.1-10mdk
 OpenOffice.org-l10n-en-1.0.1-10mdk
 mozilla-spellchecker-1.3-0.alpha.3mdk
 myspell-bg_BG-1.0.1-0.20020716.5mdk
 Is this OK? (Y/n)
 
 Huh?

Problably because you got only this myspell-dictionary and removing it
cause all requiring package to be removed too, install another
myspell-dictionary and you will be allowed to remove it safely ?

François.





[Cooker] Procmail issue

2003-01-30 Thread Pascal Terjan
Most of my mail which are not redirected to another directory stay in 
postfix queue (I activated soft bounce) with this message :

(can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Error while 
writing to /var/spool/mail/pascalimap )

$ ll /var/spool/mail/pascalimap
-rw-rw1 pascalimap mail 51211216 jan 30 14:38 
/var/spool/mail/pascalimap

$ df /var/spool/mail/pascalimap
SysFichier   1K-blocsUtilisé Dispo.   Util% Monté sur
/dev/hda8  4137264   2845672   1081428  73% /

Anyone has an idea ?
Can't procmail handle 50MB mailboxes ?




Re: [Cooker] Re: latest bincimap

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Oden Eriksson wrote:
 måndagen den 27 januari 2003 12.48 skrev Buchan Milne:
 
Oden Eriksson wrote:

Buchan Milne writes:

The big issue is migrating mail which is in mbox files. That's why my
first prodcution mail server *still* runs UW. And unfortunately that
affects all current Maildir server. Would be nice if there were a
mbox2maildir migration IMAP server ;-).

http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=mbox2maildirbtnG=
Goo gle+Search
http://freshmeat.net/projects/imapmigration

Sure, there is also imapcopy
(http://www.jplanglois.com/products/imapcp/) and mb2md
(http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/mb2md/), but one can't just
dump uw while people have mail servers running it ...
 
 
 Yes I see, this needs to be done methodical and carefully. Are there many 
 users? Downtime is unaceptable?

About 80 users, downtime unacceptable in the day, and must be minimised
after hours (some people use webmail from home or overseas).

 
 
I must still get around to testing these, and then migrate ...

And we don't like disturbing the users too much, mail server upgrade is
dependant on our recently completed file server migration ... the kind
of thigns you don't want to do simultaneously!
 
 
 He he he, no it would be to much to keep track of.
 

Well, primary server (including ldap master, windows domain controller
amanda etc) is running fine, and the old server is up and running as a
hot spare with rysnc syncing nightly (we will have to see if rsync can
keep 130GB of data in sync over  128k ISDN ;-)). So that means we can
start play^H^H^H^Hworking on the mail server 

 
Also, the KDE kolab project uses cyrus ... so do we want 4 IMAP servers
in the distro?

Then we won't see either kolab or cyrus-imap in mandrake because of the
cyrus-imap license?

According to FM it's OSI-approved, and from reading it, it seems almost
identical (except for paragraph 4 which seems to reiterate 1 and 2 but
for some distribution besides source or binary?) to the modified
GPL-compatible BSD:

http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/imapd/license.html

Of course Mandrake uses the GPL-incompatibly-licensed postfix (IBM
public license) as default MTA ;-)
 
 
 I don't know about the license model, but I vaugly recall a discussion on this 
 list some time ago that it would not make it.
 

Still no response on it ...

 Well..., back on topic. I would like people to test this new server and report 
 to me their experience. It's very promising. I will test it in production 
 myself this week.
 

OK, we have a spare box that happens to run cooker, and I have bincimap
installed but Mozilla don't like it.

1)Do I need to maildirmake ~/Maildir as with courier, and if so how
(urpmf maildirmake gives courier-imap which conflicts with bincimap :-()
2)Anything else I need for non-ssl but to bounce xinetd and configure
/etc/pam.d/checkpassword-pam ?

telnet to 143 gives:

Trying xxx.xxx.xxx.37...
Connected to caeisd1.xxx.xxx.xx (xxx.xxx.xxx.37).
Escape character is '^]'.
Storage::load(/etc/bincimap.conf) succeeded
11128 0 [unknown@???.???.???.???:] Connection from * OK Welcome to
Binc IMAP v1.0.17 (c) Copyright 2002, 2003 Andreas Aardal Hanssen at
2003-01-30T04:01:49Z

No mods to /etc/bincimap.conf, ~ is on NFS mount, should I try setting
  path = ./Maildir/ to be local?

But mozilla still don't want to play.

Are there more docs than 'rpm -qd bincimap' ?

Regards,
Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] Procmail issue

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Pascal Terjan wrote:
 Most of my mail which are not redirected to another directory stay in
 postfix queue (I activated soft bounce) with this message :
 
 (can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Error while
 writing to /var/spool/mail/pascalimap )
 
 $ ll /var/spool/mail/pascalimap
 -rw-rw1 pascalimap mail 51211216 jan 30 14:38
 /var/spool/mail/pascalimap
 
 $ df /var/spool/mail/pascalimap
 SysFichier   1K-blocsUtilisé Dispo.   Util% Monté sur
 /dev/hda8  4137264   2845672   1081428  73% /
 
 Anyone has an idea ?
 Can't procmail handle 50MB mailboxes ?
 

On an 8.0 box:

bgmilne@mail bgmilne]$ grep mailbox.*size
/usr/share/doc/postfix-20010228/sample/*
/usr/share/doc/postfix-20010228/sample/sample-local.cf:# The
mailbox_size_limit parameter controls the maximal size of a
/usr/share/doc/postfix-20010228/sample/sample-local.cf:# mailbox or
maildir file (in fact, it limits the size of any file
/usr/share/doc/postfix-20010228/sample/sample-local.cf:mailbox_size_limit
= 5120

Don't think this question belongs on cooker though ...

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Re: [Cooker] Procmail issue

2003-01-30 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:58:12 +0100
Pascal Terjan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone has an idea ?
 Can't procmail handle 50MB mailboxes ?

Just found a mailbox_size_limit defaulting to 50MB in postfix
configuration :-)




Re: [Cooker] Easy Idea to Make Mandrake Better: Fast User Switching

2003-01-30 Thread Wouter Lagerweij
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 02:35, Damian Gatabria wrote:
 On Thursday 30 January 2003 02:57, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
  Hi everyone,
I'd like to propose an idea that I think could easily be implemented by
  9.1 final and would be really great. I mean, wonderful.  Most of you
  probably know the term Fast user switching from the Windows XP
  marketingspeak. Most of you also know that GNU/Linux is fully capable of
  doing the same thing.
 
 In Mandrake 9.0 (From KDE):
 
 K -- Configuration -- Start up  init -- New login with GDM
 
 This will launch a second instance of X running on tty8. you can have
 as many X sessions open as you like, running different desktops, logged
 as different users
 
 It's not Fast user switching. It's called a multiuser OS, and it's far
 ahead of XP in this respect, IMO.

One thing I haven't been able to get to work right with this is sound
support. I can only use sound on the first X instance started. Is there
a way to fix that?

Wouter

-- 
I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. 
 It can always be crossed out. 
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[Cooker] [Bug 1150] [xmms] New: cd-roms with mp3 not read in xmms (and konqueror)

2003-01-30 Thread [Bug 1150]
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1150

   Product: xmms
 Component: program
   Summary: cd-roms with mp3 not read in xmms (and konqueror)
   Version: 1.2.7-16mdk
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


both cd-rom (Matshita DVD-rom) and external cd-writer (LITEON LXR24101A) are 
recognized correctly. However, when I try to access the content of many of my cds the 
system does not read from the cd players, and nothing is displayed either in XMMS (for 
mp3) nor in Krusader or Konqueror.
Right now I could make it work by opening K3B (software for burning cds) which could 
see easily that the cds are instead full, and only after this also XMMS saw the 
content of the cds.



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[Cooker] [Bug 1151] [Installation] New: no upgrade if you hit the back button

2003-01-30 Thread [Bug 1151]
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1151

   Product: Installation
 Component: Installation
   Summary: no upgrade if you hit the back button
   Version: 1.772
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: critical
  Priority: P2
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


During the installation of Mdk9.1 b2, besides the problem with the visualization of 
the packages menu as already reported by other users (the list is longer than the 
screen and there were no navigation buttons nor scroll-bar, and passing to the 
following stage was impossible), I also had a problem when trying to upgrade my 
previous MDK 9.0.

The first time i put the new cds and start the installation of Mdk9.1b2 it asks me if 
i want to upgrade the system: I say yes, go on but then realize I had made a mistake 
in a previous stage. Hitting the back button brought me to screens which were not 
there before during the first phase of the upgrade procedure, and when I tried to move 
forward again there was no longer the possibility to upgrade, but it started a brand 
new installation deleting all the old files and data (not a big loss, but still quite 
annoying!)



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[Cooker] [Bug 880] [kernel] Can't boot because of HighPoint HPT370 RAID

2003-01-30 Thread [Bug 880]
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=880





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So it look working with latest kernel, please report me if it does resolv all
the issues ?



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I just installed Mandrake 9.1 Beta 2 and after install I can't boot it. The only
thing I get on screen is some debug info and some error message about /dev/hde.
On keyboard Caps lock and Scroll Lock are flashing and the only thing I can do
is turn off the computer. /dev/hde is a hard drive on HightPint HPT370 RAID
controler that is integrated onto motherboard Abit KT7A-RAID. Mandrake 9.0 boots
just fine on the same computer. The BIOS version is A9 and the BIOS version of
HPT370 is 2.34.




[Cooker] [Bug 1152] [rdesktop] New: Segmentation fault in rdesktop

2003-01-30 Thread [Bug 1152]
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1152

   Product: rdesktop
 Component: rdesktop
   Summary: Segmentation fault in rdesktop
   Version: 1.1.0-7mdk
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I do have an windows 2k adv. server with sp3 installed. it run wts (widows
terminal server) when I try to connect to it from mdk 9.1 beta 2, I open
virtual network connection and press windows terminal services and enter the
ip 192.168.0.1 and screen size 800x600 and press connection then it try to
start but failes.. and colse the rfbdrake 0.8.2 gui.

so I start a konsole and enter 

[bjorn@localhost bjorn]$ rdesktop -F 192.168.0.1
rdesktop: A Remote Desktop Protocol client.
Version 1.1.0-pl19-9-0 . Copyright (C) 1999-2001 Matt Chapman.
See http://www.rdesktop.org/ for more information.

See http://bibl4.oru.se/projects/rdesktop for information
on the patches you are running

Segmentation fault
[bjorn@localhost bjorn]$


I know that the windows server is up and running..



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[Cooker] [Bug 1153] [kdebase] New: The application KDE Help Center (khelpcenter) crashed and caused the signal 11 (sigsegv).

2003-01-30 Thread [Bug 1153]
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1153

   Product: kdebase
 Component: documentation
   Summary: The application KDE Help Center (khelpcenter) crashed
and caused the signal 11 (sigsegv).
   Version: 3.1-4mdk
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New Thread 16384
(LWP 2351)]

(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
0x420ad539 in wait4 () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
#0  0x420ad539 in wait4 () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
#1  0x4212d910 in sys_sigabbrev () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
#2  0x40ef2fc3 in waitpid () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0
#3  0x406337eb in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler(int) ()
   from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4
#4  0x412e761b in KHC::Navigator::qt_invoke(int, QUObject*) ()
   from /usr/lib/kde3/khelpcenter.so
#5  0x409bb34b in QObject::activate_signal(QConnectionList*, QUObject*) ()
   from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3

got this after doing some rtfm..



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[Cooker] [Bug 1154] [kdebase] New: cant use kicker if kweather dont find network

2003-01-30 Thread [Bug 1154]
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1154

   Product: kdebase
 Component: program
   Summary: cant use kicker if kweather dont find network
   Version: 3.1-4mdk
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I have added the kweather on this kicker, but when i boot and it dont get
contackt with my network (dont get any ip) a msg popsup and tells me that it
cant contackt nasa.gov for weather reports. but afther i press ok, kicker dont
work.. when i pres on any programs and/or the k  nothing respons.



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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Pascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 oops it's extigy :
 http://www.soundblaster.com/products/extigy/
 linux driver is here :
 http://www.cs.umass.edu/~cochran/

well so it's not a problem with our detection stuff it just a driver
to get integrated for some kind of media.





Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1151] [Installation] New: no upgrade if you hit the back button

2003-01-30 Thread Pixel
[Bug 1151] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The first time i put the new cds and start the installation of Mdk9.1b2 it
 asks me if i want to upgrade the system: I say yes, go on but then realize I
 had made a mistake in a previous stage. Hitting the back button brought me to
 screens which were not there before during the first phase of the upgrade
 procedure, and when I tried to move forward again there was no longer the
 possibility to upgrade, but it started a brand new installation deleting all
 the old files and data (not a big loss, but still quite annoying!)

most back buttons are fixed in upcoming beta3. please tell which one
are still remaining.

@resolution=fixed





Re: [Cooker] Easy Idea to Make Mandrake Better: Fast User Switching

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
 Damian Gatabria wrote:

K -- Configuration -- Start up  init -- New login with GDM

What ex-Windows user would think to find it there (along with
configuring LILO etc)?


This will launch a second instance of X running on tty8. you can have
as many X sessions open as you like, running different desktops, logged
as different users

It's not Fast user switching. It's called a multiuser OS, and it's far
ahead of XP in this respect, IMO.

But for many users, a feature doesn't exist until it has a gui that they
can find easily.


have a nice day :o)

(Btw, my k menu is in spanish, so i'm sorry if the translation
of the menu is not accurate.)

Damian

  

 Does GDM run by default on a Mandrake install where the user has chosen
 KDE as the default desktop?

No, KDM

KDM needs this, and done compatibly.

Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] Re: latest bincimap

2003-01-30 Thread Oden Eriksson

- Original Message -
From: Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] Re: latest bincimap


 Oden Eriksson wrote:
  måndagen den 27 januari 2003 12.48 skrev Buchan Milne:
 
 Oden Eriksson wrote:
 
 Buchan Milne writes:
 
 The big issue is migrating mail which is in mbox files. That's why my
 first prodcution mail server *still* runs UW. And unfortunately that
 affects all current Maildir server. Would be nice if there were a
 mbox2maildir migration IMAP server ;-).
 

http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=mbox2maildirbtnG=
 Goo gle+Search
 http://freshmeat.net/projects/imapmigration
 
 Sure, there is also imapcopy
 (http://www.jplanglois.com/products/imapcp/) and mb2md
 (http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/mb2md/), but one can't just
 dump uw while people have mail servers running it ...
 
 
  Yes I see, this needs to be done methodical and carefully. Are there
many
  users? Downtime is unaceptable?

 About 80 users, downtime unacceptable in the day, and must be minimised
 after hours (some people use webmail from home or overseas).

I upgraded a system this morning with 500+ users
(qmail+vpopmail+courier-imap+sqwebmail+maildrop), no migration though. No
sweat.

I guess you find a lot of usefull migrating stuf if you go to www.qmail.org
(for maildirs)

(this keyboard is crazy..., the keys doesn't always take...)

 
 
 I must still get around to testing these, and then migrate ...
 
 And we don't like disturbing the users too much, mail server upgrade is
 dependant on our recently completed file server migration ... the kind
 of thigns you don't want to do simultaneously!
 
 
  He he he, no it would be to much to keep track of.
 

 Well, primary server (including ldap master, windows domain controller
 amanda etc) is running fine, and the old server is up and running as a
 hot spare with rysnc syncing nightly (we will have to see if rsync can
 keep 130GB of data in sync over  128k ISDN ;-)). So that means we can
 start play^H^H^H^Hworking on the mail server 

Very cool! I guess you ntp first to prevent synthetic time, or maybe it's
not nessesary with rsync?

 
 Also, the KDE kolab project uses cyrus ... so do we want 4 IMAP
servers
 in the distro?
 
 Then we won't see either kolab or cyrus-imap in mandrake because of the
 cyrus-imap license?
 
 According to FM it's OSI-approved, and from reading it, it seems almost
 identical (except for paragraph 4 which seems to reiterate 1 and 2 but
 for some distribution besides source or binary?) to the modified
 GPL-compatible BSD:
 
 http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/imapd/license.html
 
 Of course Mandrake uses the GPL-incompatibly-licensed postfix (IBM
 public license) as default MTA ;-)
 
 
  I don't know about the license model, but I vaugly recall a discussion
on this
  list some time ago that it would not make it.
 

 Still no response on it ...

  Well..., back on topic. I would like people to test this new server and
report
  to me their experience. It's very promising. I will test it in
production
  myself this week.
 

 OK, we have a spare box that happens to run cooker, and I have bincimap
 installed but Mozilla don't like it.

 1)Do I need to maildirmake ~/Maildir as with courier, and if so how
 (urpmf maildirmake gives courier-imap which conflicts with bincimap :-()

I think you can define mailbox in /etc/*.conf if needed.

 2)Anything else I need for non-ssl but to bounce xinetd and configure
 /etc/pam.d/checkpassword-pam ?

I must admit I know very little how this should be configured (pam), I tried
to look at other packages to give me hints. If all else fails try to use
DJB's checkpassword package without pam support and change the xinetd
files, I think vdanen has binaries.

A pam guru should help out here...

 telnet to 143 gives:

 Trying xxx.xxx.xxx.37...
 Connected to caeisd1.xxx.xxx.xx (xxx.xxx.xxx.37).
 Escape character is '^]'.
 Storage::load(/etc/bincimap.conf) succeeded
 11128 0 [unknown@???.???.???.???:] Connection from * OK Welcome to
 Binc IMAP v1.0.17 (c) Copyright 2002, 2003 Andreas Aardal Hanssen at
 2003-01-30T04:01:49Z

 No mods to /etc/bincimap.conf, ~ is on NFS mount, should I try setting
   path = ./Maildir/ to be local?

 But mozilla still don't want to play.

 Are there more docs than 'rpm -qd bincimap' ?

This is unknown ground. Maybe I should rename the package to
*0.BETA_QUALITY.1mdk so that people acknowledges it as a software in eary
development.

I plan to test run bincimap in my tcpserver+daemontools+qmail+vpopmail env,
not with /etc/passwd or mailbox users.

 Regards,
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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Brook Humphrey
On Thursday 30 January 2003 02:46 am, Steffen Barszus wrote:
 On Thursday 30 January 2003 00:30, Todd Lyons wrote:
   5. no GUI to change sound card settings a.k.a. draksound is too basic
 
  Do you mean the settings that are necessary to be changed for older ISA
  sound cards?  PCI cards don't have those settings.  If they're looking
  for the mixer settings, then they need to run aumix or kmix.  If you're
  looking for just a button to fire up aumix/kmix, that might be
  reasonable.

 I guess mixer setup is not the only thing when it comes to soundcards. I
 can't speak for cooker, but in 9.0 draksound was to basic and had problems.
 I was not able to change my soundcard with draksound.

 It sets up only a simple 2-speaker alsa-oss-emulation for my terratec
 dmx-fire 1024. With the information given on www.alsa-project.org I have 4
 speaker, spdif and some other things. I don't know if there is an easy
 solution for this, since there are other far more complicated soundcards
 than mine ( think of audigy or other higher quality cards)

Yup I tried it with a hercules game theatre xp 7.1 and well it played sound 
well but the thing has so many deveices you should see when I pull up the 
mixer. Any basicly I can play just fine out of it but nothing else. 

I'm going to try the game fortisimo III 7.1 next.

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[Cooker] Apache startup fails

2003-01-30 Thread Levi Ramsey
After

urpme `rpm -qa 'apache*'`

followed by

urpmi mod_php php-mysql

# /etc/init.d/httpd start
Starting httpd: [  OK  ]
# ps -ax | grep 'httpd'
23207 vc/1 S  0:00 grep httpd

The only syslog entries that appear are:

Jan 30 09:46:02 tatiana httpd: [Thu Jan 30 09:46:02 2003] [warn] module
php4_module is already loaded, skipping
Jan 30 09:46:02 tatiana httpd:
Jan 30 09:46:02 tatiana httpd: [Thu Jan 30 09:46:02 2003] [warn] module
mod_php4.c is already added, skipping
Jan 30 09:46:02 tatiana httpd: httpd startup succeeded

# rpm -qa 'apache*' '*php*'
apache-modules-1.3.27-5mdk
php-mysql-4.3.0-1mdk
apache-common-1.3.27-5mdk
mod_php-4.3.0-2mdk
libphp_common430-430-7mdk
apache-1.3.27-5mdk
apache-conf-1.3.27-3mdk

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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Brook Humphrey
On Thursday 30 January 2003 01:30 am, Adam Williamson wrote:

 This is a problem with your sound driver. Recording is fine on my
 machines. I'd file a bug at OSS or ALSA, depending on which driver you
 use.

Hm I've tried this with two different hercules sound cards and also with the 
motherboard built in sound. The built in sound is the ac97 standard stuff 
that like 99% of the motherboards have built in. 

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Re: [Cooker] Problem with kde 3.1

2003-01-30 Thread Marco Donati
Thanks!

I resolve it...

I had to change QTDIR from /usr/local/qt where was qt 3.1.0 in
/usr/lib/qt3/lib where is qt3.1.1

 


On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 10:00, Buchan Milne wrote:
 Marco Donati wrote:
  I just installed kde 3.1 by RPM from Cooker...
 
 On 9.0?
 
  
  I have a problem...
  
  if i execute startkde as a user i have a relocation error in
  libkdeui.so.4
 
 Yes, this will happen if you installed KDE3.1 from cooker on 9.0.
 
  
  Instead if i try to log as user and then i write
  su
  password
  
  and i execute startkde as root X start well...
  
 
 root's setup under KDE differs from normal users.
 
 If you're on 9.0, either rebuild the src.rpm's from cooker, on your box,
 or wait till packages for 9.0 are availble from the KDE FTP mirrors.
 
 Buchan
 
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Re: [Cooker] Broken KFMCLIENT in last update

2003-01-30 Thread Marco Donati
It seems ok in kdebase-3.1-4mdk

Bye!

On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 10:07, Simone Riccio wrote:
 Robert Fox wrote:
 
 On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 18:13, Jason Straight wrote:
   
 
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 12:56 pm, Crispin Boylan wrote:
 
 
 i get the same behaviour, neither the browser or the home page will open
 and give me the same errors.  I'm not using a newly installed system
 either, I was fine on rc6, its when i updated kdebase to 3.1-1mdk (2mdk
 and 3mdk have not fixed the behaviour either) that the problem started
 occuring.  I've also tried recreating the .kde directory from scratch
 and the problem still occurs.
 
 cheers
 cris.
   
 
 Does this also happen with a newly created user?
 
 
 
 
 I reported this earlier (KDE 3.1 broken) - and I have confirmed this
 problem with BOTH upgraded systems and fresh installs.
 
 I just performed a complete fresh install on a test notebook and the
 same problem occurs with kfmclient.
 
 Thx,
 R.Fox
 
 
   
 
 I can confirm the beavior! Fresh install updated with cooker packages 
 for kde 3.1...
 
 This e-mail was scanned by RAV Antivirus. (www.ravantivirus.com)
 
 







Re: [Cooker] icons/default/index.theme missing

2003-01-30 Thread Bret Baptist
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 7:37 pm, Adam Williamson wrote:
 How do you mean, temporary workaround? This isn't a bug, it's a design
 choice. The reversion to old cursors is mentioned in the changelog of
 the latest X as something MDK have decided to do.

OK, but if you are going to be taking something away and removing a 
configuration file from it's default location, shouldn't there at least be a 
way to configure it?  What I am saying is where is the drak tool to configure 
the cursor?  If there is not one then we should have the config file in the 
default location, until there is one.  Does this make sense?  Thanks.


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Re: [Cooker] Re: latest bincimap

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Oden Eriksson wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [Cooker] Re: latest bincimap
 
 
users? Downtime is unaceptable?

About 80 users, downtime unacceptable in the day, and must be minimised
after hours (some people use webmail from home or overseas).
 
 
 I upgraded a system this morning with 500+ users
 (qmail+vpopmail+courier-imap+sqwebmail+maildrop), no migration though. No
 sweat.

It's not always the number of users total that counts, but the number of
concurrents ... we have 80, and about 50 concurrent most of the day.

 
 I guess you find a lot of usefull migrating stuf if you go to www.qmail.org
 (for maildirs)
 

I try and stay away from qmail.org ;-).

Well, primary server (including ldap master, windows domain controller
amanda etc) is running fine, and the old server is up and running as a
hot spare with rysnc syncing nightly (we will have to see if rsync can
keep 130GB of data in sync over  128k ISDN ;-)). So that means we can
start play^H^H^H^Hworking on the mail server 
 
 
 Very cool! 

We still have to see if win** roaming profiles still work on the other
side ... but we have disconnected auth (would work nicer if 3c589_cs had
working ifplugd ...) on the pilot Mandrake 9.0 laptop running with a
local slave ldap on it. All we need now is disconnected file access
(intersync? coda? AFS?) to have it work as well as win2k on the laptops :-(.

 I guess you ntp first to prevent synthetic time, or maybe it's
 not nessesary with rsync?

NTP will come, but we're only sync'ing one way at present, so it doesn't
really matter. Users don't worry if the file has a timestamp that is out
by 1 minute if it means they are guaranteed to have the file available
if one office gets destroyed ...


Well..., back on topic. I would like people to test this new server and
 
 report
 
to me their experience. It's very promising. I will test it in
 
 production
 
myself this week.


OK, we have a spare box that happens to run cooker, and I have bincimap
installed but Mozilla don't like it.

1)Do I need to maildirmake ~/Maildir as with courier, and if so how
(urpmf maildirmake gives courier-imap which conflicts with bincimap :-()
 
 
 I think you can define mailbox in /etc/*.conf if needed.

I think I will try courier and binc together in the meantime, courier on
my cooker box, bincimap on another, both NFS'ing /home/users off the
same server .. at least then I have a maildirmake somewhere.

 
 
2)Anything else I need for non-ssl but to bounce xinetd and configure
/etc/pam.d/checkpassword-pam ?
 
 
 I must admit I know very little how this should be configured (pam), I tried
 to look at other packages to give me hints. If all else fails try to use
 DJB's checkpassword package without pam support and change the xinetd
 files, I think vdanen has binaries.

 A pam guru should help out here...

I know the odd thing about pam, and our /etc/pam.d/system-auth is setup
nicely (so your pam_stack entries should be fine), but you probably only
need one auth line, and maybe an account line.

I see courier-imap has a session entry, but AFAIK it doesn't actually do
session support (I tried to have it use pam_mkhomedir, with a maildir in
/etc/skel/Maildir, but that didn't work, so the windows login script
connects users to their home on the mail server, and samba, which can be
made to require session support, does it for me...).

But I don't think it's an auth issue, mozilla hasn't given me a login
prompt yet, and this is all I get in /var/log/auth.log:

Jan 30 16:59:14 caeisd1 xinetd[11056]: START: imap pid=11238
from=xxx.xxx.xxx.36


But mozilla still don't want to play.

I guess I should try with something else also (pine etc), but mozilla says:

Mail server caeisd1 is not an IMAP4 mail server


Are there more docs than 'rpm -qd bincimap' ?
 
 
 This is unknown ground. Maybe I should rename the package to
 *0.BETA_QUALITY.1mdk so that people acknowledges it as a software in eary
 development.

No problem ... someone needs to test it ;-).

 
 I plan to test run bincimap in my tcpserver+daemontools+qmail+vpopmail env,
 not with /etc/passwd or mailbox users.
 

We're a SME, and most of my clients are also, so account on most of my
machines are pam/nss-accessible (local, ldap or winbind).

OK, I have courier on my own box and it works fine, on the same
~/Maildir as the machine that has binc, so I'm a bit stuck here 

Time to look for more docs (and I suspect it's going to be the *.cpp
kind :-().

Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] icons/default/index.theme missing

2003-01-30 Thread Jason Komar
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 18:37, Adam Williamson wrote:

 
 How do you mean, temporary workaround? This isn't a bug, it's a design
 choice. The reversion to old cursors is mentioned in the changelog of
 the latest X as something MDK have decided to do.

Workaround: Meaning a temporary kluge (clumsy or inelegant solution to
some problem) used to bypass, mask or otherwise avoid a misfeature in
some system.

IMO having to create a defaults file is not my idea of an elegant
solution to turn on different cursor styles should someone want them.
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[Cooker] Some files in cooker seems to have bad signatures...

2003-01-30 Thread mika . laitio
When running urpmi.update I get following error from the bad signatures.
Does it mean that someone could have made backdoor to one of these files?

[root@aragorn lamikr]# urpmi --media cooker3 --auto-select --auto
 
ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/apa
che2-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
 
ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/apa
che2-common-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
 
ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/lib
openal0-0.0.6-4mdk.i586.rpm
 
ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/lib
apr0-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
 
ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/apa
che2-conf-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
 
ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/pro
cps3-3.1.5-2mdk.i586.rpm
 
ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/apa
che2-manual-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
The following packages have bad signatures:
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/apache2-common-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libapr0-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/apache2-conf-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/apache2-manual-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/apache2-modules-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm




Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Chmouel Boudjnah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  one of my friends has one, but he is not linux expert. He
  installed mdk9.0 and I compiled this driver on his system. I can
  have remote accesss to his machine if necessary to make some
  tests.
 
 that's mostly for the user-space package i will need help and maybe
 talk about that with titi..

once you've a working driver, add it to soft/ldetect-lst/lst/pcitable,
gi/kernel/list_modules.pm::l{multimedia}{sound} and
gi/perl-install/harddrake/sound.pm (oss - alsa mapping tables).

every driver in list_modules should be listed in pcitable, and every
sound driver listed in list_modules should be listed in sound.pm (else
the infamous unlisted driver bug)





Re: [Cooker] Some files in cooker seems to have bad signatures...

2003-01-30 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Jan 30 16:46 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When running urpmi.update I get following error from the bad signatures.
 Does it mean that someone could have made backdoor to one of these files?
 
 [root@aragorn lamikr]# urpmi --media cooker3 --auto-select --auto
  
 ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/apa
 che2-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
  
 ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/apa
 che2-common-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
  
 ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/lib
 openal0-0.0.6-4mdk.i586.rpm
  
 ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/lib
 apr0-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
  
 ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/apa
 che2-conf-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
  
 ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/pro
 cps3-3.1.5-2mdk.i586.rpm
  
 ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/apa
 che2-manual-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
 The following packages have bad signatures:
 /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/apache2-common-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
 /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libapr0-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
 /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/apache2-conf-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
 /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/apache2-manual-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
 /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/apache2-modules-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm

RPMS2 is contrib, which isn't signed as main is.

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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread scott chevalley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 29 Jan 2003, Austin Acton wrote:

 

I asked for people's biggest beef with 9.0 w/r/t audio apps.  Here's
what I got (please comment if you know a good answer):
1. supermount in 9.0 sucks
   

tell them to become clubmembers :)

 

3. no low-latency patched kernel
   

I've been playing with the idea to put a preempt kernel in contrib for 
9.1. If I can find time.

 

5. no GUI to change sound card settings a.k.a. draksound is too basic
   

*agree*
 

6. no easy way to disable arts, and it interferes with everything
   

huh? kcontrol?


Danny



 

preempt would be very nice.  I only hope it will also have XFS support.. :)

Scott






Re: [Cooker] Some files in cooker seems to have bad signatures...

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When running urpmi.update I get following error from the bad signatures.
 Does it mean that someone could have made backdoor to one of these files?
 
 [root@aragorn lamikr]# urpmi --media cooker3 --auto-select --auto
  
 ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS2/apa
 che2-2.0.44-1mdk.i586.rpm
  

Contrib's doesn't get signed, so at present (unless fpons can tell us
whether, and if so how, urpm* can default to not checking gpg sigs
per-source) if you have any contribs, you need to add --no-verify-rpm

Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] icons/default/index.theme missing

2003-01-30 Thread Bret Baptist
On Thursday 30 January 2003 9:08 am, Jason Komar wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 18:37, Adam Williamson wrote:
  How do you mean, temporary workaround? This isn't a bug, it's a design
  choice. The reversion to old cursors is mentioned in the changelog of
  the latest X as something MDK have decided to do.

 Workaround: Meaning a temporary kluge (clumsy or inelegant solution to
 some problem) used to bypass, mask or otherwise avoid a misfeature in
 some system.

 IMO having to create a defaults file is not my idea of an elegant
 solution to turn on different cursor styles should someone want them.

Preach on brother!  Read my comment above.

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usb exitgy driver (was: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users)

2003-01-30 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Thierry Vignaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 once you've a working driver, add it to soft/ldetect-lst/lst/pcitable,
 gi/kernel/list_modules.pm::l{multimedia}{sound} and
 gi/perl-install/harddrake/sound.pm (oss - alsa mapping tables).
 every driver in list_modules should be listed in pcitable, and every
 sound driver listed in list_modules should be listed in sound.pm (else
 the infamous unlisted driver bug)

the problem is not that it's also the shitty stuff that needs to be
done in userspace tools like specified on the webpage[1] which should
have be done by guess what ? draksound

Footnotes: 
[1]  http://www.cs.umass.edu/~cochran/






Re: [Cooker] Easy Idea to Make Mandrake Better: Fast User Switching

2003-01-30 Thread scott chevalley
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:


Damian Gatabria wrote:


Does GDM run by default on a Mandrake install where the user has chosen
KDE as the default desktop?
   


Well, i really don't know... but since it's the only DM that has a consistent
look with Mandrake's background images and icons, i would guess so.

Damian
 

I was under the impression that KDM was used when KDE is chosen as the 
default.

The only reason I'm commenting on this is because I occasionally set 
up another X session for my fiance'.  I have to select another tty, 
login to her user account and run startx -- :1 to get her off to the 
races.  I'm sure a properly written shell script would do the same 
thing but I haven't gotten around to it.

I tried what was suggested above:

K -- Configuration -- Start up  init -- New login with GDM

 

This does not work due to the fact GDM is not running. (At least that 
is what the dialog box says.) :-)

This feature would be excellent for dorm rooms and other shared living 
arrangements.  You can easily check your e-mail and not screw up your 
room mates term paper...cd burn, etc.

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Must be Thursday... Bwahahahahah... -Mind Slap in ZDNet Forum regarding the almost immediate hack of new Smart Phone running MS OS.
 

to change from KDM to GDM as the login manager, edit 
/etc/sysconfig/desktop and change DISPLAYMANAGER=kdm to 
DISPLAYMANAGER=gdm and then do a service dm restart and you'll have gdm 
running. 

Scott





Re: [Cooker] icons/default/index.theme missing

2003-01-30 Thread Jason Komar
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 08:02, Bret Baptist wrote:
 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 7:37 pm, Adam Williamson wrote:
  How do you mean, temporary workaround? This isn't a bug, it's a design
  choice. The reversion to old cursors is mentioned in the changelog of
  the latest X as something MDK have decided to do.
 
 OK, but if you are going to be taking something away and removing a 
 configuration file from it's default location, shouldn't there at least be a 
 way to configure it?  What I am saying is where is the drak tool to configure 
 the cursor?  If there is not one then we should have the config file in the 
 default location, until there is one.  Does this make sense?  Thanks.

Well said. That makes complete sense to me.
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Re: Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Lissimore
On January 29, 2003 08:21 pm, Quel Qun wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 18:10, Austin Acton wrote:
  On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 21:13, Leon Brooks wrote:
   Have the designers of these things forgotten that they're running on a
   multi-USER system?
 
  Jack, jack, and jack should all get along fine, although it's in heavy
  development.

 Did I dream it or jackd only supports alsa? I can only find an oss
 driver for my card.

Last time I checked ALSA support in jack was very new (only in CVS when I 
checked).   The ALSA support should be expanding now.  So if there is an ALSA 
driver for your card, it should work with jack soon...




Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Austin Acton
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 05:09, Buchan Milne wrote:
  I asked what apps we were missing.  They listed about 30 total.  I've
  got a lot of work to do.  :-(
 Would you lije to make a list? Are any of them currently in club or on
 on thac's site (http://rpm.nyvalls.se/sound9.0.html)?

About half are on Thac's site.  I was planning on starting with those
(all of them).  But if you want to do it, I can work on the rest!
(not finished compiling the list)

  6% were for apps we can't include for legal reasons
 Are the 6% all in PLF (if they are acceptable there?).

Yes, all were on PLF or club.

Austin

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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Austin Acton wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 05:09, Buchan Milne wrote:
 
I asked what apps we were missing.  They listed about 30 total.  I've
got a lot of work to do.  :-(

Would you lije to make a list? Are any of them currently in club or on
on thac's site (http://rpm.nyvalls.se/sound9.0.html)?
 
 
 About half are on Thac's site.  I was planning on starting with those
 (all of them).  But if you want to do it, I can work on the rest!
 (not finished compiling the list)
 

I was thinking Danny could do it once he has an account on klama ;-). I
haven't used all the stuff, but if it works as thac has it now, I can
try and just ensure it passes rpmlint etc ...

I guess though that maybe Danny could better spend his time on a
low-latency/preempt kernel with XFS support ...

Also, some packages relate to stuff Gotz maintains, so maybe you should
compile the list, and I will take some stuff (kde stuff that works with
alsa probably, and maybe notation-related packages which I can at least
understand and use ...). I don't have time to get up to speed with the
midi, waveform, recording apps. I already have enough to do as it is ...

 
6% were for apps we can't include for legal reasons

Are the 6% all in PLF (if they are acceptable there?).
 
 Yes, all were on PLF or club.

Well, then there's nothing more anyone can do about it that doesn't
involve lawyers.


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Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread andre
On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:21, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 02:13, Leon Brooks wrote:
  On Thursday 30 January 2003 09:42 am, Adam Williamson wrote:
   esd and arts should never walk all over each other -
   one belongs to GNOME and should only be running when GNOME is running,
   one belongs to KDE and should only be running when KDE is running.
 
  I run KDE on :0 and GNOME on :1 so where do I stand? (-:
 
  If I have a multi-screen machine (e.g. four screens, four video cards,
  four sets of USB mice and keyboards), and the users on these screens are
  running disparate WM's, where do they stand WRT sound daemons?
 
  Have the designers of these things forgotten that they're running on a
  multi-USER system?

 Wow, I wish I had your RAM :). Interesting point that, I must admit I
 don't know. You'd have to check with the docs, or the designers.

Within 256 MB i would expect to be able to run every WM which comes with 
Mandrake on it's own vt




Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio Users

2003-01-30 Thread andre
On Thursday 30 January 2003 03:13, Leon Brooks wrote:
 If I have a multi-screen machine (e.g. four screens, four video cards, four
 sets of USB mice and keyboards), and the users on these screens are running
 disparate WM's, where do they stand WRT sound daemons?

 Have the designers of these things forgotten that they're running on a
 multi-USER system?


Linux is not meant to run more than one local user even if it is possible with 
some hacks. But in the case you describe one would expect to use /dev/dsp1 
for the second user or use a meta sound deamon which mixes the two sound 
deamons of the different local users




[Cooker] Re: usb exitgy driver

2003-01-30 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Chmouel Boudjnah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 the problem is not that it's also the shitty stuff that needs to be
 done in userspace tools like specified on the webpage[1] which
 should have be done by guess what ? draksound

humm... or better fix audio and snd-usb-audio.

forking driver as stated on that page is bad.

usb drivers should per class.

the author would had better had quirks for his usb device than forking
a driver.





[Cooker] Linux Audio RPMs

2003-01-30 Thread Austin Acton
Okay, here's the todo list.
Personally, I suggest Danny work on the kernel.  That's top priority in
my eyes.  Gotz is a wizard and already maintains a lot of audio apps, so
maybe he can pick some of these to do.  Buchan, you can take some if you
want to, and I'll do the rest.

Top priority, highly requested and on Thac's site
ladcca
qjackconnect
csound
cecelia
rtsynth
swami
muse
vstserver
pd
ceres
mammut
ardour
vkeyb
kalsatools
noteedit
lilypond

Highly requested, to start from scratch:
amsynth
spiralsynthmodular
freqtweak
spiralloops
spiralsynth
(We may need a C++ hacker to get *spiral* apps to compile as they are
very non-ANSI code.)

Requested by only a few users, to start from scratch, lowest priority:
pain
jmax
seq24
gdam
kguitar (do we already have this?)
denemo
ecamegapedal
athena

Austin

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Re: [Cooker] Re: usb exitgy driver

2003-01-30 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Thierry Vignaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 humm... or better fix audio and snd-usb-audio.

 forking driver as stated on that page is bad.

 usb drivers should per class.

 the author would had better had quirks for his usb device than forking
 a driver.

well if we don't have any others choice to support it better to put
it, that's the whole point of distribution kernel (even if it's ugly
our target is to just get it works !!)





Re: [Cooker] Linux Audio RPMs

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Austin Acton wrote:
 Okay, here's the todo list.
 Personally, I suggest Danny work on the kernel.  That's top priority in
 my eyes.  Gotz is a wizard and already maintains a lot of audio apps, so
 maybe he can pick some of these to do.  Buchan, you can take some if you
 want to, and I'll do the rest.
 

OK, anyone else who wants to take these, please keep the list of RPMs
intact (ie don't let them be quoted by your mailer) so it stays orderly ...

Put your mail address in the 2nd column if you take one, additional info
only goes there if *no-one* currently wants to take the rpm, and is just
there to indicate how much work it would be (based on previous specs,
current version etc). Of course there are also SRPMs on thac's site in
many cases, but check the versions.

Top priority, highly requested and on Thac's site
=
ladcca  
qjackconnect[EMAIL PROTECTED]
csound
cecelia
rtsynth
swami
muse0.6.0-pre3 (0.8a current) in contrib:
  http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/contrib-SPECS/muse/
vstserver
pd
ceres
mammut
ardour  0.96.4??? in contrib:
http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/contrib-SPECS/ardour/ardour.spec
vkeyb
kalsatools  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
noteedit[EMAIL PROTECTED]
lilypond1.4.2 (1.6.7 stable, thac has 1.7.9, latest devel is 1.7.12) in
contrib cvs:
http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/contrib-SPECS/lilypond/


Highly requested, to start from scratch:

amsynth
spiralsynthmodular
freqtweak
spiralloops
spiralsynth
(We may need a C++ hacker to get *spiral* apps to compile as they are
very non-ANSI code.)


Requested by only a few users, to start from scratch, lowest priority:
==
pain
jmax
seq24
gdam
kguitar [EMAIL PROTECTED] (if time permits)
denemo
ecamegapedal
athena




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Re: [Cooker] Re: usb exitgy driver

2003-01-30 Thread Buchan Milne
Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
 Thierry Vignaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
humm... or better fix audio and snd-usb-audio.

forking driver as stated on that page is bad.

usb drivers should per class.

the author would had better had quirks for his usb device than forking
a driver.
 
 
 well if we don't have any others choice to support it better to put
 it, that's the whole point of distribution kernel (even if it's ugly
 our target is to just get it works !!)
 

And hopefully upstream the fix?

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