Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 w9ya wrote: As for the very real problem here. It comes with upgrades. (if an upgrade shouldn't be done then remove the option from the installer.) If you are running kdm now, with users hidden ( a prudent move I might add.) and you upgrade You can't log in as anyone! I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ grep list /etc/security/msec/level.local allow_user_list(0) and was running kdm until mdkkdm came around, and I still get a dm with username/password fields and a wm selector (I don't think I made any changes to the config manually). I don't see the problem, but I haven't tried it on an upgrade. The problem is that you cannot enter root and root's password to log into a root (wm) session with mdkkdm by design. I can on my cooker box, where I haven't changed any configuration in kdm since I was running pre-9.0 cooker. The KDE desktop doesn't start up, but everything else works (launch apps from kicker and the menus etc). I don't see a problem. - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+dvDarJK6UGDSBKcRAscAAJ46TfWDb/dygoUIZZhodF2/w8cepgCfbFjS 3J+OwrR5lI8sUwKOrjink3Y= =EmNa -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jean-Michel Dault wrote: Le lun 17/03/2003 à 18:10, Buchan Milne a écrit : If you have people running Windows domains, and are trying to convince them to host on Mandrake, hopefully winbind auth in install works, and you can ask them to enter a domain admin username/password, and have instant personal webpages (after mkdir /etc/skel/public_html and a bit of tweaking to commonhttpd.conf). A couple of years ago, I had setup my ISP so windows users could have a W: drive that was mapped to their public_html, so this is quite the opposite of what you're suggesting. Not really, the only thing I am adding is winbind, which means that you will never have to add user accounts to the linux box, and if you do use samba, it can auto-create home directories also without much effort. What I want is to replace all Microsoft Domain controllers by Linux boxes, and to have every Windows user log in to that domain, with pre-mapped drives, printers, backups and anti-virus. I started such a setup at one of our customer's sites, but Todd has taken over. I'm now looking for a way to have a standard setup so I could have a server-in-a-box appliance. This is pretty easy to do if you are happy with a single domain. With the ldap-enabled RPMS, you can have multiple domain controllers (but I think still only one domain ... but possible multiple ... need to test this). I still need to get around to generating a domain-controller specific smb.conf in the rpm. But, using ntlogon (in contrib, example samba config in the default smb.conf) to auto-generate login scripts, use a vscan module on the server, store profiles on the server, restrict permissions on the desktop machines, and run amanda on the file servers, you're waxed. I do setups similar to this (usually without ldap, since it requires less education for the admins) in one day for smallish networks (20-30 machines), including firewall, mail server (with virus scanning) etc. Only think we haven't bothered with here is auto-setting up printers (at present the user must just browse the print server and double-click on the printers), but that can be done with con2prt.exe available in the Windows Resource Kit in a login script. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+dvNlrJK6UGDSBKcRAo/VAKCHqwBWdithAbsIP2EPPEtsfuRFUgCgoHJO vcfWMwp3oi/bCq428X/qAao= =+ldx -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 06:07:09 +0100, Benjamin Pflugmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon 2003-03-17 at 20:05:20 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: urpmi.setup? And you don't need broadband to install kdm. Needs probably less than 5 minutes with a modem. Thats a bit misleading. The hdlist takes an hour and fifteen minutes to download on a 56k. Use the synthesis file (~150KB) file instead of hdlist (~15MB). HTH, Benjamin. Wow I had no idea.. This is really gonna help. Thanks. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Tuesday 18 March 2003 05:11 am, Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 w9ya wrote: As for the very real problem here. It comes with upgrades. (if an upgrade shouldn't be done then remove the option from the installer.) If you are running kdm now, with users hidden ( a prudent move I might add.) and you upgrade You can't log in as anyone! I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ grep list /etc/security/msec/level.local allow_user_list(0) and was running kdm until mdkkdm came around, and I still get a dm with username/password fields and a wm selector (I don't think I made any changes to the config manually). I don't see the problem, but I haven't tried it on an upgrade. The problem is that you cannot enter root and root's password to log into a root (wm) session with mdkkdm by design. I can on my cooker box, where I haven't changed any configuration in kdm since I was running pre-9.0 cooker. The KDE desktop doesn't start up, but everything else works (launch apps from kicker and the menus etc). I don't see a problem. OK then just add to my statement ...if you do a fresh install. Bob - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+dvDarJK6UGDSBKcRAscAAJ46TfWDb/dygoUIZZhodF2/w8cepgCfbFjS 3J+OwrR5lI8sUwKOrjink3Y= =EmNa -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
Le mar 18/03/2003 à 02:11, James Sparenberg a écrit : Unfortunately, what people need is the Outlook shared calendars. So far, the only product that does well is the Oracle Collaboration Suite. It's less expensive than Exchange, but still not free. Jean-Michel Have you looked into Bynari (sp?) this is being pushed by the United (aka IBM) group. (bynari.net) Not sure of the license etc. At the time, I tried their TradeServer, which was an ldap/courier/ftp/www server, with a (proprietary) GUI frontend. It was not stable enough, and was hard to install. We ended up with horde/imp/turba instead, even it it doesn't include calendaring. The horde ldap backend, coupled with qmail, gave us really good performance. The other option is Samsung's Contact. (http://www.samsungcontact.com/en/) This one is/was HP's openmail, bought by Samsung and ported over to a number of other Unixes. Seems that it is popular in Australia. I've not used either of these but I've heard good things about both. Both have Downloads and the Samsung one may be GPL'd. This one is coming with both RH's and SuSE's enterprise server package. I've heard more than one great review on it so it would be the one I'd look at first. Last time I checked, it did not include Calendaring, but this might have changed since. I'll give it another look. Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 02:11, Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 w9ya wrote: As for the very real problem here. It comes with upgrades. (if an upgrade shouldn't be done then remove the option from the installer.) If you are running kdm now, with users hidden ( a prudent move I might add.) and you upgrade You can't log in as anyone! I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ grep list /etc/security/msec/level.local allow_user_list(0) and was running kdm until mdkkdm came around, and I still get a dm with username/password fields and a wm selector (I don't think I made any changes to the config manually). I don't see the problem, but I haven't tried it on an upgrade. The problem is that you cannot enter root and root's password to log into a root (wm) session with mdkkdm by design. I can on my cooker box, where I haven't changed any configuration in kdm since I was running pre-9.0 cooker. The KDE desktop doesn't start up, but everything else works (launch apps from kicker and the menus etc). I don't see a problem. The problem I had with the upgrade (started life as 8.0 then upgraded one step at a time since then.) was that with mdkkdm I lost the ability to log in as any of my users moved to gdm logged in to kde (everthing but kcontrol is there in the menu all else works fine) ran kcontrol from term window. modded mdkkdm in that I allowed users to show up, changed back and function returned to it. I've had this occur on 2 boxes like this.
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-17 13:34 --- james: of course you'll only hear 31337 users whining on the Cooker list, because lusers don't use Cooker. I can see exactly who this change is aimed at: converts from 2000 or XP, who are used to logging in as an administrator account because trying to use a Unix-style security environment on Windows is futile. If you make it impossible to log in as root, it'll make the 99% of these users (informed guess :) who don't bother to read manuals more likely to log in properly, as a user, and not stuff up their systems. But you'll never hear feedback from those people on this list. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 04:21, Greg Meyer wrote: And by the way, we have a dm that does not allow root login, but a new config tool that must be run from a gui as root. Anybody have the details on this? Erm, what config tool is that? -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
The bottom line on this for me is I am happy kdm is still offered, although I would like to see it as part of the original install process. Why ? There are times in kde where even running from a su-terminal window will not allow for certain kde setup options. So being able to log into root FIRST to setup kde is a boon for me when I sell my services installing Mandrake. Hopefully this will return to the original install, as an option, maybe not, but PLEASE keep kdm around anyways Bob Finch On Sunday 16 March 2003 10:59 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 11:55, Buchan Milne wrote: On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, cybercfo wrote: --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-16 20:40 --- Because people should not be logging in to the gui as root. There are many other ways to accomplish running gui tools as root including running from su terminal, sudo, mcc, etc. so logging in to gui as root should be completely unnecessary. There is only one thing I can think of that would be easier by logging in as root, and I have actually done this before, and that is resizing /home with diskdrake. Anyway, you can use the GUI tool (Mandrake Control Center-Hardware-Display Manager Chooser) to choose kdm or gdm which have the same functionality they had in 9.0. The only *possible* validity your bug could have is if you wanted kdm to be the default over mdkkdm, but that would be disregarded anyway, since Mandrakesoft obviously wanted to accomplish some goals with mdkkdm, such as making it more difficult to log in as root. BTW, I have not logged in as root on any of my own machines in X in a few years. The only time I have had to log in as root directly the machine was in a state where it would not run X anyway ... (The only reason I have done it recently was when helping a newbie resize his /home partition, and I don't like frightening newbies with the command line ...). Buchan Buchan, I'll give you one scenario where I log in as root all the time... Install fests. I'm sure all of these people don't want a user james on their boxanother is when a friend calls up and says... It won't work can you help... I log in as root so I don't have to keep asking them for the root password... once is enough this way. As for the very real problem here. It comes with upgrades. (if an upgrade shouldn't be done then remove the option from the installer.) If you are running kdm now, with users hidden ( a prudent move I might add.) and you upgrade You can't log in as anyone! It keeps the old settings and won't allow you to login period. (had this happen with one of our senior programmers and boy was he pissed kept talking about getting his solaris box back *grin*) There it is a very real problem. The only way to fix it is to log in as root from tty1 and edit by hand kdmrc (or edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop to say gdm not kdm) and restart X Not a very user friendly option. IMAO (yes the A does stand for what you think *grin*) it's a case of fixing what wasn't really broken. But that's not my say. James
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Sparenberg wrote: On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 11:55, Buchan Milne wrote: I'll give you one scenario where I log in as root all the time... Install fests. I'm sure all of these people don't want a user james on their boxanother is when a friend calls up and says... It won't work can you help... I log in as root so I don't have to keep asking them for the root password... once is enough this way. I would just Terminals-Konsole (super user mode). As for the very real problem here. It comes with upgrades. (if an upgrade shouldn't be done then remove the option from the installer.) If you are running kdm now, with users hidden ( a prudent move I might add.) and you upgrade You can't log in as anyone! I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ grep list /etc/security/msec/level.local allow_user_list(0) and was running kdm until mdkkdm came around, and I still get a dm with username/password fields and a wm selector (I don't think I made any changes to the config manually). I don't see the problem, but I haven't tried it on an upgrade. Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+daV8rJK6UGDSBKcRAt7HAJ0bw90n+4pz4QlV3F/50MVoodqXIgCgnPVS Wy/XjUV5xDI/EAZYxBPek58= =UJn9 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Monday 17 March 2003 05:37 am, Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Sparenberg wrote: On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 11:55, Buchan Milne wrote: I'll give you one scenario where I log in as root all the time... Install fests. I'm sure all of these people don't want a user james on their boxanother is when a friend calls up and says... It won't work can you help... I log in as root so I don't have to keep asking them for the root password... once is enough this way. I would just Terminals-Konsole (super user mode). As for the very real problem here. It comes with upgrades. (if an upgrade shouldn't be done then remove the option from the installer.) If you are running kdm now, with users hidden ( a prudent move I might add.) and you upgrade You can't log in as anyone! I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ grep list /etc/security/msec/level.local allow_user_list(0) and was running kdm until mdkkdm came around, and I still get a dm with username/password fields and a wm selector (I don't think I made any changes to the config manually). I don't see the problem, but I haven't tried it on an upgrade. The problem is that you cannot enter root and root's password to log into a root (wm) session with mdkkdm by design. Bob Finch Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+daV8rJK6UGDSBKcRAt7HAJ0bw90n+4pz4QlV3F/50MVoodqXIgCgnPVS Wy/XjUV5xDI/EAZYxBPek58= =UJn9 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
Le lun 17/03/2003 à 06:37, Buchan Milne a écrit : I'll give you one scenario where I log in as root all the time... Install fests. I'm sure all of these people don't want a user james on their boxanother is when a friend calls up and says... It won't work can you help... I log in as root so I don't have to keep asking them for the root password... once is enough this way. I would just Terminals-Konsole (super user mode). This is fine if you're used to command-line, but poor ex-Windows sysadmins have problems with that. They used to login as Administrator, open Explorer to move files around, configure all their stuff. Now they are *forced* to use command-line to manage the system. This is what they do right now: -Terminals-Konsole (super user mode), type their root password, then type konqueror -Mandrake Control Center, type their root password -Webmin (for Samba), type their root password -Add a package, type their root password Then they close the apps, and have to do that time and time again... And when there's two or more admins, and that one has to manage a computer that belongs to someone else and whose root password consists of something like p%G45l;*, they never remember it. So they call the other sysadmin on his cellphone, and the poor guy has to give the root password while in the middle of a meeting, and since there's interference, he has to yell, so everyone at the meeting knows the root password. So, I ask, what is worse? This scenario, or doing the supposedly bad thing and logging in as root? That's not too bad for me since I roll my own CDs and will remove mdkkdm, but I pity the poor Todd who will have to answer phone tech support =( Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Monday 17 March 2003 09:23 am, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: This is fine if you're used to command-line, but poor ex-Windows sysadmins have problems with that. They used to login as Administrator, open Explorer to move files around, configure all their stuff. Now they are *forced* to use command-line to manage the system. This is what they do right now: -Terminals-Konsole (super user mode), type their root password, then type konqueror -Mandrake Control Center, type their root password -Webmin (for Samba), type their root password -Add a package, type their root password Then they close the apps, and have to do that time and time again... And when there's two or more admins, and that one has to manage a computer that belongs to someone else and whose root password consists of something like p%G45l;*, they never remember it. So they call the other sysadmin on his cellphone, and the poor guy has to give the root password while in the middle of a meeting, and since there's interference, he has to yell, so everyone at the meeting knows the root password. So, I ask, what is worse? This scenario, or doing the supposedly bad thing and logging in as root? That's not too bad for me since I roll my own CDs and will remove mdkkdm, but I pity the poor Todd who will have to answer phone tech support =( So install kdebase-kdm and remove mdkkdm when it is necessary to do so. -- Greg
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 17 March 2003 09:23 am, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: This is fine if you're used to command-line, but poor ex-Windows sysadmins have problems with that. They used to login as Administrator, open Explorer to move files around, configure all their stuff. Now they are *forced* to use command-line to manage the system. This is what they do right now: -Terminals-Konsole (super user mode), type their root password, then type konqueror Apps-File Management-File Manager super-user mode (type password of course) -Mandrake Control Center, type their root password -Webmin (for Samba), type their root password Or change the perms on /etc/samba/smb.conf to give a certain group write access ... -Add a package, type their root password Then they close the apps, and have to do that time and time again... And when there's two or more admins, and that one has to manage a computer that belongs to someone else and whose root password consists of something like p%G45l;*, they never remember it. So they call the other sysadmin on his cellphone, and the poor guy has to give the root password while in the middle of a meeting, and since there's interference, he has to yell, so everyone at the meeting knows the root password. This applies whether the person is logging into a dm or the console or running su. And it needs to be addressed, similar to the rights management Windows has. Maybe just a gui for sudo. sudo urpmi would solve this if there were a gui. And it should have integation with some network information system like LDAP. BTW, we just have 3 people who know the single root password used across all machines, changed often, and ensure that one of those 3 is available. - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+dfkxrJK6UGDSBKcRAothAKC5YeU9d8XBjVSF/T5p60Yq1FA3FACdH+Qi e8eCgR8fnREFDiSeDyR9T/4= =u7BM -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
Le lun 17/03/2003 à 12:07, Greg Meyer a écrit : So, I ask, what is worse? This scenario, or doing the supposedly bad thing and logging in as root? That's not too bad for me since I roll my own CDs and will remove mdkkdm, but I pity the poor Todd who will have to answer phone tech support =( So install kdebase-kdm and remove mdkkdm when it is necessary to do so. Isn't that what I just said? ;-) I know how to fix that, but telling an ex Windows sysadmin how to do it, and then waiting for them to find their 9.1 CDs (what if the guy left them at home or loaned them to a guy in another department), or helping them setup urpmi to download the package (assuming they have a broadband internet connection), is a support nightmare. Wasn't krootwarning and the big bad red backgound not enough to get the message that running as root is dangerous? However, do we have to force that down people's throats? Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
Le lun 17/03/2003 à 12:34, Buchan Milne a écrit : Apps-File Management-File Manager super-user mode (type password of course) True, I completely forgot about that. However, it asks for password every time, even if you check the save password option. -Mandrake Control Center, type their root password -Webmin (for Samba), type their root password Or change the perms on /etc/samba/smb.conf to give a certain group write access ... That's an excellent suggestion. Is it in a howto somewhere? And when there's two or more admins, and that one has to manage a computer that belongs to someone else and whose root password consists of something like p%G45l;*, they never remember it. So they call the other sysadmin on his cellphone, and the poor guy has to give the root password while in the middle of a meeting, and since there's interference, he has to yell, so everyone at the meeting knows the root password. This applies whether the person is logging into a dm or the console or running su. And it needs to be addressed, similar to the rights Of course, but in 99% of the Windows shops I have visited, the machines are in a locked room, and logged as Administrator, so you only need the key to the server room to manage the machines. In places where they don't do that, or have unix machines, the root password is written on a post-it note on the screen ;-) management Windows has. Maybe just a gui for sudo. sudo urpmi would solve this if there were a gui. And it should have integation with some network information system like LDAP. Yes, sudo is definitely better, because you enter *your* password (which you have to remember anyway), and not the root password, and it doesn't ask for it all the time. Draksudo would be a nice addition =) Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jean-Michel Dault wrote on Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 10:23:21AM -0400 : That's not too bad for me since I roll my own CDs and will remove mdkkdm, but I pity the poor Todd who will have to answer phone tech support =( I suppose a good answer would be: Alt-F2 - kdesu drak_blah True it's not intuitive, but should serve the purpose. Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+dg1glp7v05cW2woRAgcuAJ9NShlGls4EoMrA43D6ipeXU2YOBgCgqELW j9HFeNhtA3hzJwP5ZutqmY4= =DnCh -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
Le lun 17/03/2003 à 14:01, Todd Lyons a écrit : That's not too bad for me since I roll my own CDs and will remove mdkkdm, but I pity the poor Todd who will have to answer phone tech support =( I suppose a good answer would be: Alt-F2 - kdesu drak_blah True it's not intuitive, but should serve the purpose. That's another option, thanks, it gives me more ammunition to blast those NT people ;-) However, even with that option, you still have to provide the root password for each command you want to run. The checkbox (remember password) should be for the session, or maybe timeout after a configurable time period. Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 05:39, Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 17 March 2003 07:37 am, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 04:21, Greg Meyer wrote: And by the way, we have a dm that does not allow root login, but a new config tool that must be run from a gui as root. Anybody have the details on this? Erm, what config tool is that? Deno posted on the Club site that the new drakfirsttime will sign you up for the trial club membership, and set up club as urpmi source automatically, if you log in as root. So how do you do this if you cannot login as root. Yes, I know that drakclub can be run from su terminal, but how does Joe User, who is reading about this great feature but cannot get it to work because the instructions say login as root, and he is sitting there at a login screen with no way to do so. sounds like one of my Bosses fav scenario's in the early 70's or late 60's his company bought a software and hardware for a new style tape backup system (Note that back then there was no standard.) The included the instructions on how to use the system on the tape that came with the product... Course the fact that if you could read the tape, you didn't need the instructions, or that if you needed the instructions to learn how to read/write tapes, you couldn't read the tape in the first place, didn't occur to anyone at the company that manufactured the product. It apparently sat unused for 6 weeks before they finally got a rep/tech from that company to come in and show them how to set it up, read the tape, and then now that they knew how to set it up and read the tape they could read the instructions. James
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jean-Michel Dault wrote on Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:24:49PM -0400 : However, even with that option, you still have to provide the root password for each command you want to run. The checkbox (remember password) should be for the session, or maybe timeout after a configurable time period. I know that usermode used to cache the root password for 5 minutes or something like that. From the KDE menus, it doesn't seem to use usermode, so it doesn't cache it. Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+dhgQlp7v05cW2woRAmxVAJkBH057b+bsMlfjulIECFqU/GjsNwCgzfTn JGb1cAgLtwxYvb9oIa9DwaA= =Ls+X -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: -Mandrake Control Center, type their root password -Webmin (for Samba), type their root password Or change the perms on /etc/samba/smb.conf to give a certain group write access ... That's an excellent suggestion. Is it in a howto somewhere? Sorry, no time for that yet, too busy trying to convince others that Mandrake is an enterprise-class samba server (winbind integration, LDAP-enabled samba-2.2.x RPMS, LDAP-Domain-controller HOWTO in the works - done by another user with some guidance from me ...). This applies whether the person is logging into a dm or the console or running su. And it needs to be addressed, similar to the rights Of course, but in 99% of the Windows shops I have visited, the machines are in a locked room, and logged as Administrator, so you only need the key to the server room to manage the machines. What do yuo need to go into the server room for??? Also, in most Windows shops, the user on the machine has local admin ... gotta love that!!! We have *some* users who have local admin, but it's not the rule. In places where they don't do that, or have unix machines, the root password is written on a post-it note on the screen ;-) Only passwords on post-its I have seen are in my wallet, for machines no-one else knows about, with nothing on the paper identifying it ... management Windows has. Maybe just a gui for sudo. sudo urpmi would solve this if there were a gui. And it should have integation with some network information system like LDAP. Yes, sudo is definitely better, because you enter *your* password (which you have to remember anyway), and not the root password, and it doesn't ask for it all the time. Draksudo would be a nice addition =) So how's your perl-GTK2 ? ;-) (sorry, running joke with another admin here, I keep asking him how his perl is, since he has some scripts to fix ...) Regards, Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: That's another option, thanks, it gives me more ammunition to blast those NT people ;-) However, even with that option, you still have to provide the root password for each command you want to run. The checkbox (remember password) should be for the session, or maybe timeout after a configurable time period. IMHO, we need a kdesudo or similar, with same defaults. Maybe something like allow all members of adm group (random, apart from the fact that we by default allow all members of adm group to install printer drivers via samba now) to to run 'service' as root (to reload/restart services), mcc, not so sure about konqueror though. And Nautilus/Konqueror also need ACL support ... And better LDAP integration all over ... -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
Le lun 17/03/2003 à 16:21, Buchan Milne a écrit : -Webmin (for Samba), type their root password Or change the perms on /etc/samba/smb.conf to give a certain group write access ... That's an excellent suggestion. Is it in a howto somewhere? Sorry, no time for that yet, too busy trying to convince others that Mandrake is an enterprise-class samba server (winbind integration, LDAP-enabled samba-2.2.x RPMS, LDAP-Domain-controller HOWTO in the works Make sure you publish the link on this list when it's done! I know you have done a lot of work on Samba, but I haven't had the time to check all the changelogs to see what was improved =) What do yuo need to go into the server room for??? Most NT admins do just that. They don't know the power of remote X or VNC, unfortunately. And they often are scared of the command line. We need to educate them, but it takes an awful lot of time to do it on the phone or face-to-face. Because a lot of them don't have the reflexes to e-mail you. They also don't believe you when you tell them there are many things you cannot do using the GUI, and that the command line is much more powerful. When that happens, my evil trick is to ssh into their system and do a: while true;do eject;eject -t;done. I then tell them to try and stop the CD from ejecting, and to call me back when they give up the GUI.. works all the time ;-) I have a hard time when their servers are not connected to the internet though. Only passwords on post-its I have seen are in my wallet, for machines no-one else knows about, with nothing on the paper identifying it ... I have a fantastic photographic and finger-touch memory. There are many systems where I couldn't tell you the password: I only remember the finger gestures to log in ;-) Draksudo would be a nice addition =) So how's your perl-GTK2 ? ;-) (sorry, running joke with another admin here, I keep asking him how his perl is, since he has some scripts to fix ...) My perl-GTK2 sucks. I think it would be easier for me to create a php-QT package than to learn GTK ;-) Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: That's an excellent suggestion. Is it in a howto somewhere? Sorry, no time for that yet, too busy trying to convince others that Mandrake is an enterprise-class samba server (winbind integration, LDAP-enabled samba-2.2.x RPMS, LDAP-Domain-controller HOWTO in the works Make sure you publish the link on this list when it's done! I know you have done a lot of work on Samba, but I haven't had the time to check all the changelogs to see what was improved =) Most recent stuff was for Till, anonymous printer access works by default, Windows users can install windows drivers on a samba print queue if they are a member of the adm group on the samba server. If you have people running Windows domains, and are trying to convince them to host on Mandrake, hopefully winbind auth in install works, and you can ask them to enter a domain admin username/password, and have instant personal webpages (after mkdir /etc/skel/public_html and a bit of tweaking to commonhttpd.conf). A cool one is replacing the need for Exchange (if they only need mail) with a winbind box and something like courier. These easy practical things aren't really covered anywhere yet, but if someone is interested, I may have a bit of time on my hands in about a month. (P.S. am currently seeking employment in the UK ... and a job interview offer or similar would help me complete my visa application ...) What do yuo need to go into the server room for??? Most NT admins do just that. They don't know the power of remote X or VNC, unfortunately. And they often are scared of the command line. Still need to get openssh running as a service on our 2k box, but in the meantime rdesktop is good enough ... We need to educate them, but it takes an awful lot of time to do it on the phone or face-to-face. Because a lot of them don't have the reflexes to e-mail you. They also don't believe you when you tell them there are many things you cannot do using the GUI, and that the command line is much more powerful. When that happens, my evil trick is to ssh into their system and do a: while true;do eject;eject -t;done. I then tell them to try and stop the CD from ejecting, and to call me back when they give up the GUI.. works all the time ;-) I have a hard time when their servers are not connected to the internet though. Maybe some people just don't see the advantage of never having to get up from your desk (except to get more coffee ;-)). Only passwords on post-its I have seen are in my wallet, for machines no-one else knows about, with nothing on the paper identifying it ... I have a fantastic photographic and finger-touch memory. There are many systems where I couldn't tell you the password: I only remember the finger gestures to log in ;-) My memory is OK, but then some people go and generate horrid passwords of 12 characters with 3 alphanumerics! Draksudo would be a nice addition =) So how's your perl-GTK2 ? ;-) (sorry, running joke with another admin here, I keep asking him how his perl is, since he has some scripts to fix ...) My perl-GTK2 sucks. I think it would be easier for me to create a php-QT package than to learn GTK ;-) I was actually thinking a bit about the possibilities with wxPython ... and the potential to use it remotely via samba (RPCs) as the win2k tools work even MCSEs could use it ... Regards, Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 14:10, Buchan Milne wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: That's an excellent suggestion. Is it in a howto somewhere? Sorry, no time for that yet, too busy trying to convince others that Mandrake is an enterprise-class samba server (winbind integration, LDAP-enabled samba-2.2.x RPMS, LDAP-Domain-controller HOWTO in the works Make sure you publish the link on this list when it's done! I know you have done a lot of work on Samba, but I haven't had the time to check all the changelogs to see what was improved =) Most recent stuff was for Till, anonymous printer access works by default, Windows users can install windows drivers on a samba print queue if they are a member of the adm group on the samba server. If you have people running Windows domains, and are trying to convince them to host on Mandrake, hopefully winbind auth in install works, and you can ask them to enter a domain admin username/password, and have instant personal webpages (after mkdir /etc/skel/public_html and a bit of tweaking to commonhttpd.conf). A cool one is replacing the need for Exchange (if they only need mail) with a winbind box and something like courier. These easy practical things aren't really covered anywhere yet, but if someone is interested, I may have a bit of time on my hands in about a month. (P.S. am currently seeking employment in the UK ... and a job interview offer or similar would help me complete my visa application ...) What do yuo need to go into the server room for??? Most NT admins do just that. They don't know the power of remote X or VNC, unfortunately. And they often are scared of the command line. Still need to get openssh running as a service on our 2k box, but in the meantime rdesktop is good enough ... We need to educate them, but it takes an awful lot of time to do it on the phone or face-to-face. Because a lot of them don't have the reflexes to e-mail you. They also don't believe you when you tell them there are many things you cannot do using the GUI, and that the command line is much more powerful. When that happens, my evil trick is to ssh into their system and do a: while true;do eject;eject -t;done. I then tell them to try and stop the CD from ejecting, and to call me back when they give up the GUI.. works all the time ;-) I have a hard time when their servers are not connected to the internet though. Maybe some people just don't see the advantage of never having to get up from your desk (except to get more coffee ;-)). Only passwords on post-its I have seen are in my wallet, for machines no-one else knows about, with nothing on the paper identifying it ... I have a fantastic photographic and finger-touch memory. There are many systems where I couldn't tell you the password: I only remember the finger gestures to log in ;-) My memory is OK, but then some people go and generate horrid passwords of 12 characters with 3 alphanumerics! Ok guilty as charged... but the keystroke combo is so easy to remember... Who ever remembers the password (and yes I've typed in a password 4 and 5 times only to figure out that in the dark my hands where in the wrong place.) Draksudo would be a nice addition =) So how's your perl-GTK2 ? ;-) (sorry, running joke with another admin here, I keep asking him how his perl is, since he has some scripts to fix ...) My perl-GTK2 sucks. I think it would be easier for me to create a php-QT package than to learn GTK ;-) I was actually thinking a bit about the possibilities with wxPython ... and the potential to use it remotely via samba (RPCs) as the win2k tools work even MCSEs could use it ... Regards, Buchan
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Mon 2003-03-17 at 11:43:00 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lun 17/03/2003 à 12:07, Greg Meyer a écrit : So, I ask, what is worse? This scenario, or doing the supposedly bad thing and logging in as root? Cannot resist to comment :) The scenario is worse... as example. First, someone *not* leaving the meeting room on a call is quite impolite. Second, a company who has at least two people acting as admin should be able to get some basic installation/training (i.e. using sudo). [...] I know how to fix that, but telling an ex Windows sysadmin how to do it, and then waiting for them to find their 9.1 CDs (what if the guy left them at home or loaned them to a guy in another department), or helping them setup urpmi to download the package (assuming they have a broadband internet connection), is a support nightmare. urpmi.setup? And you don't need broadband to install kdm. Needs probably less than 5 minutes with a modem. Wasn't krootwarning and the big bad red backgound not enough to get the message that running as root is dangerous? However, do we have to force that down people's throats? IMNSHO, yes. The people who are able to grasp the implications of what the warning is about will have no major problems in following some instructions to replace the dm. On the other hand, the typical MS Windows user/admin will simply hit OK, because they are used to do this all the time (that is not meant as a flame, but personal experience with MS Windows users). So, yes, IMNSHO someone who doesn't know enough about a system to simply install a different package shouldn't log in as root under a GUI. In the long run they will screw something up and you will have much more work effectively. Bye, Benjamin. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
urpmi.setup? And you don't need broadband to install kdm. Needs probably less than 5 minutes with a modem. Thats a bit misleading. The hdlist takes an hour and fifteen minutes to download on a 56k. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... fastmail
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
Better to get it via ftp frankly... I'm on a modem and I don't use URPMI except on local sources for that reason. Cheers Jason Jesse Wagner wrote: urpmi.setup? And you don't need broadband to install kdm. Needs probably less than 5 minutes with a modem. Thats a bit misleading. The hdlist takes an hour and fifteen minutes to download on a 56k.
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Mon 2003-03-17 at 20:05:20 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: urpmi.setup? And you don't need broadband to install kdm. Needs probably less than 5 minutes with a modem. Thats a bit misleading. The hdlist takes an hour and fifteen minutes to download on a 56k. Use the synthesis file (~150KB) file instead of hdlist (~15MB). HTH, Benjamin. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
Le lun 17/03/2003 à 18:10, Buchan Milne a écrit : If you have people running Windows domains, and are trying to convince them to host on Mandrake, hopefully winbind auth in install works, and you can ask them to enter a domain admin username/password, and have instant personal webpages (after mkdir /etc/skel/public_html and a bit of tweaking to commonhttpd.conf). A couple of years ago, I had setup my ISP so windows users could have a W: drive that was mapped to their public_html, so this is quite the opposite of what you're suggesting. What I want is to replace all Microsoft Domain controllers by Linux boxes, and to have every Windows user log in to that domain, with pre-mapped drives, printers, backups and anti-virus. I started such a setup at one of our customer's sites, but Todd has taken over. I'm now looking for a way to have a standard setup so I could have a server-in-a-box appliance. A cool one is replacing the need for Exchange (if they only need mail) with a winbind box and something like courier. Unfortunately, what people need is the Outlook shared calendars. So far, the only product that does well is the Oracle Collaboration Suite. It's less expensive than Exchange, but still not free. (P.S. am currently seeking employment in the UK ... and a job interview offer or similar would help me complete my visa application ...) Live in the UK? Better get a high-paying job, because the cost of living is awfully expensive. I went there for vacation last summer: £40 for 2 burgers and two pints of beers in a decent restaurant, £5 for two eggs, potatoes and bacon in a *youth hostel*, that's outrageous to me. Everything is 3 times the price compared to where I live (Montreal). Maybe some people just don't see the advantage of never having to get up from your desk (except to get more coffee ;-)). The coffee pot is on my desk, I only have to get up to go to the bathroom. Next step is this: http://www.funny-photo-photos.com/toilet_computer.html I was actually thinking a bit about the possibilities with wxPython ... and the potential to use it remotely via samba (RPCs) as the win2k tools work even MCSEs could use it ... I suck even more ath python than at perl =( Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 19:41, Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: On Mon 2003-03-17 at 11:43:00 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lun 17/03/2003 à 12:07, Greg Meyer a écrit : So, I ask, what is worse? This scenario, or doing the supposedly bad thing and logging in as root? Cannot resist to comment :) The scenario is worse... as example. First, someone *not* leaving the meeting room on a call is quite impolite. Second, a company who has at least two people acting as admin should be able to get some basic installation/training (i.e. using sudo). [...] I know how to fix that, but telling an ex Windows sysadmin how to do it, and then waiting for them to find their 9.1 CDs (what if the guy left them at home or loaned them to a guy in another department), or helping them setup urpmi to download the package (assuming they have a broadband internet connection), is a support nightmare. urpmi.setup? And you don't need broadband to install kdm. Needs probably less than 5 minutes with a modem. Wasn't krootwarning and the big bad red backgound not enough to get the message that running as root is dangerous? However, do we have to force that down people's throats? IMNSHO, yes. The people who are able to grasp the implications of what the warning is about will have no major problems in following some instructions to replace the dm. On the other hand, the typical MS Windows user/admin will simply hit OK, because they are used to do this all the time (that is not meant as a flame, but personal experience with MS Windows users). On this point .. had a friend of mine who would always install a little program he had on windows systems... If would randomly pop up the usual window message and since most windows users didn't read them... if you clicked OK it turned the box off. No harm done, but my fav is one guy who reported Everytime I click ok the box turns off We told him Then don't click ok! He then said something that made me think. But you have to click ok don't you? So, yes, IMNSHO someone who doesn't know enough about a system to simply install a different package shouldn't log in as root under a GUI. In the long run they will screw something up and you will have much more work effectively. Bye, Benjamin.
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 20:06, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: Le lun 17/03/2003 à 18:10, Buchan Milne a écrit : If you have people running Windows domains, and are trying to convince them to host on Mandrake, hopefully winbind auth in install works, and you can ask them to enter a domain admin username/password, and have instant personal webpages (after mkdir /etc/skel/public_html and a bit of tweaking to commonhttpd.conf). A couple of years ago, I had setup my ISP so windows users could have a W: drive that was mapped to their public_html, so this is quite the opposite of what you're suggesting. What I want is to replace all Microsoft Domain controllers by Linux boxes, and to have every Windows user log in to that domain, with pre-mapped drives, printers, backups and anti-virus. I started such a setup at one of our customer's sites, but Todd has taken over. I'm now looking for a way to have a standard setup so I could have a server-in-a-box appliance. A cool one is replacing the need for Exchange (if they only need mail) with a winbind box and something like courier. Unfortunately, what people need is the Outlook shared calendars. So far, the only product that does well is the Oracle Collaboration Suite. It's less expensive than Exchange, but still not free. Jean-Michel Have you looked into Bynari (sp?) this is being pushed by the United (aka IBM) group. (bynari.net) Not sure of the license etc. The other option is Samsung's Contact. (http://www.samsungcontact.com/en/) This one is/was HP's openmail, bought by Samsung and ported over to a number of other Unixes. Seems that it is popular in Australia. I've not used either of these but I've heard good things about both. Both have Downloads and the Samsung one may be GPL'd. This one is coming with both RH's and SuSE's enterprise server package. I've heard more than one great review on it so it would be the one I'd look at first. James (P.S. am currently seeking employment in the UK ... and a job interview offer or similar would help me complete my visa application ...) Live in the UK? Better get a high-paying job, because the cost of living is awfully expensive. I went there for vacation last summer: £40 for 2 burgers and two pints of beers in a decent restaurant, £5 for two eggs, potatoes and bacon in a *youth hostel*, that's outrageous to me. Everything is 3 times the price compared to where I live (Montreal). Maybe some people just don't see the advantage of never having to get up from your desk (except to get more coffee ;-)). The coffee pot is on my desk, I only have to get up to go to the bathroom. Next step is this: http://www.funny-photo-photos.com/toilet_computer.html I was actually thinking a bit about the possibilities with wxPython ... and the potential to use it remotely via samba (RPCs) as the win2k tools work even MCSEs could use it ... I suck even more ath python than at perl =( Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Mon 2003-03-17 at 21:50:20 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] On the other hand, the typical MS Windows user/admin will simply hit OK, because they are used to do this all the time (that is not meant as a flame, but personal experience with MS Windows users). On this point .. had a friend of mine who would always install a little program he had on windows systems... If would randomly pop up the usual window message and since most windows users didn't read them... if you clicked OK it turned the box off. No harm done, but my fav is one guy who reported Everytime I click ok the box turns off We told him Then don't click ok! He then said something that made me think. But you have to click ok don't you? Yeah, that was exactly my point. MS Windows kind of conditions people into pressing OK without actually reading/understanding the message (not sure about newer versions, my experience is mostly with people using 95 and 98SE). I think it is because so often you have no choice, but have to simply accept whatever it tells you. There is this old joke, which is representative for this: Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? [ OK ] I very much like the idea of the reboot program. A almost perfect way to recondition such people. Have to google if it and if there isn't one available, I am probably going to write one myself. Won't be that hard. :-) Thanks for the idea. Bye, Benjamin. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 23:21, Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: On Mon 2003-03-17 at 21:50:20 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] On the other hand, the typical MS Windows user/admin will simply hit OK, because they are used to do this all the time (that is not meant as a flame, but personal experience with MS Windows users). On this point .. had a friend of mine who would always install a little program he had on windows systems... If would randomly pop up the usual window message and since most windows users didn't read them... if you clicked OK it turned the box off. No harm done, but my fav is one guy who reported Everytime I click ok the box turns off We told him Then don't click ok! He then said something that made me think. But you have to click ok don't you? Yeah, that was exactly my point. MS Windows kind of conditions people into pressing OK without actually reading/understanding the message (not sure about newer versions, my experience is mostly with people using 95 and 98SE). I think it is because so often you have no choice, but have to simply accept whatever it tells you. There is this old joke, which is representative for this: Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? [ OK ] I very much like the idea of the reboot program. A almost perfect way to recondition such people. Have to google if it and if there isn't one available, I am probably going to write one myself. Won't be that hard. :-) Thanks for the idea. Bye, Benjamin. Could I be so bold as to request a copy?
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, b.kruissink wrote: I agree. But why is the possibility to enter a user by means of keying in the name gone. It is not gone, it just is not available in the default display manager. I was there in al releases before 9.1. I think that besides root no hidden user is shown as icon and could not log in via graphical interface. Ahhh, security through obscurity. -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-16 20:20 --- L.s, this solution is working. but every one can see the user root why is the possibility to enter a user by keying in the username no longer available? We had that in 7.2 8.0 8.1 8.2 and 9.0 there we could chose a user by means of cheking the icon of the user or by keying in the username Op zaterdag 15 maart 2003 20:50, schreef u: --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-16 20:30 --- l.s why invalid In version 7.2.8.0 8.1 8.2 and 9.0 we had the choise to select a user by means of cheking the icon or keying in the user name why is the last possibility gone in 9.1. release If that possibility is back we can login as root and not everyone needs to know that there is a root user. Op zaterdag 15 maart 2003 20:58, schreef u: --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-16 20:40 --- Because people should not be logging in to the gui as root. There are many other ways to accomplish running gui tools as root including running from su terminal, sudo, mcc, etc. so logging in to gui as root should be completely unnecessary. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-16 21:00 --- cybercfo, I agree. But why is the possibility to enter a user by means of keying in the name gone. I was there in al releases before 9.1. I think that besides root no hidden user is shown as icon and could not log in via graphical interface. Op zondag 16 maart 2003 20:40, schreef u: --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-16 21:30 --- I do agree with this, and I tried to fight for it, but I obviously lost this battle. If you want the old display manager back, as well as the old functionality, urpme mdkkdm and then urpmi kdebase-kdm this is what I did. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-16 21:40 --- On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 12:30, cybercfo wrote: Hate to say this but we are just too stupid to know how to manage our own networks... we should be grateful for the way we are being managed and not allowed to make what are mistakes that we as mear users are too uniformed and incompetent to handle. James --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, cybercfo wrote: --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-16 20:40 --- Because people should not be logging in to the gui as root. There are many other ways to accomplish running gui tools as root including running from su terminal, sudo, mcc, etc. so logging in to gui as root should be completely unnecessary. There is only one thing I can think of that would be easier by logging in as root, and I have actually done this before, and that is resizing /home with diskdrake. Anyway, you can use the GUI tool (Mandrake Control Center-Hardware-Display Manager Chooser) to choose kdm or gdm which have the same functionality they had in 9.0. The only *possible* validity your bug could have is if you wanted kdm to be the default over mdkkdm, but that would be disregarded anyway, since Mandrakesoft obviously wanted to accomplish some goals with mdkkdm, such as making it more difficult to log in as root. BTW, I have not logged in as root on any of my own machines in X in a few years. The only time I have had to log in as root directly the machine was in a state where it would not run X anyway ... (The only reason I have done it recently was when helping a newbie resize his /home partition, and I don't like frightening newbies with the command line ...). Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
Just tried live_update and it requires X (and of course to be root). On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 11:55, Buchan Milne wrote: On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, cybercfo wrote: --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-16 20:40 --- Because people should not be logging in to the gui as root. There are many other ways to accomplish running gui tools as root including running from su terminal, sudo, mcc, etc. so logging in to gui as root should be completely unnecessary. There is only one thing I can think of that would be easier by logging in as root, and I have actually done this before, and that is resizing /home with diskdrake. Anyway, you can use the GUI tool (Mandrake Control Center-Hardware-Display Manager Chooser) to choose kdm or gdm which have the same functionality they had in 9.0. The only *possible* validity your bug could have is if you wanted kdm to be the default over mdkkdm, but that would be disregarded anyway, since Mandrakesoft obviously wanted to accomplish some goals with mdkkdm, such as making it more difficult to log in as root. BTW, I have not logged in as root on any of my own machines in X in a few years. The only time I have had to log in as root directly the machine was in a state where it would not run X anyway ... (The only reason I have done it recently was when helping a newbie resize his /home partition, and I don't like frightening newbies with the command line ...). Buchan -- _ _ _ _ | |_| | |_/ | | / / -_) | / / | |_\_\___|_|_\_\_| @ sbcglobal.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-16 23:20 --- Hate to say this but we are just too stupid to know how to manage our own networks... we should be grateful for the way we are being managed and not allowed to make what are mistakes that we as mear users are too uniformed and incompetent to handle. Just use the original kdm like the rest of us instead of bitching about something you know nothing about. None of us were in the meeting where it was decided to remove this function, so we don't know why. urpme mdkkdm urpmi kdebase-kdm problem solved --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 11:55, Buchan Milne wrote: On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, cybercfo wrote: --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-16 20:40 --- Because people should not be logging in to the gui as root. There are many other ways to accomplish running gui tools as root including running from su terminal, sudo, mcc, etc. so logging in to gui as root should be completely unnecessary. There is only one thing I can think of that would be easier by logging in as root, and I have actually done this before, and that is resizing /home with diskdrake. Anyway, you can use the GUI tool (Mandrake Control Center-Hardware-Display Manager Chooser) to choose kdm or gdm which have the same functionality they had in 9.0. The only *possible* validity your bug could have is if you wanted kdm to be the default over mdkkdm, but that would be disregarded anyway, since Mandrakesoft obviously wanted to accomplish some goals with mdkkdm, such as making it more difficult to log in as root. BTW, I have not logged in as root on any of my own machines in X in a few years. The only time I have had to log in as root directly the machine was in a state where it would not run X anyway ... (The only reason I have done it recently was when helping a newbie resize his /home partition, and I don't like frightening newbies with the command line ...). Buchan Buchan, I'll give you one scenario where I log in as root all the time... Install fests. I'm sure all of these people don't want a user james on their boxanother is when a friend calls up and says... It won't work can you help... I log in as root so I don't have to keep asking them for the root password... once is enough this way. As for the very real problem here. It comes with upgrades. (if an upgrade shouldn't be done then remove the option from the installer.) If you are running kdm now, with users hidden ( a prudent move I might add.) and you upgrade You can't log in as anyone! It keeps the old settings and won't allow you to login period. (had this happen with one of our senior programmers and boy was he pissed kept talking about getting his solaris box back *grin*) There it is a very real problem. The only way to fix it is to log in as root from tty1 and edit by hand kdmrc (or edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop to say gdm not kdm) and restart X Not a very user friendly option. IMAO (yes the A does stand for what you think *grin*) it's a case of fixing what wasn't really broken. But that's not my say. James
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-17 02:41 --- adding de l'eau au moulin : I am logging as pascal everyday, typing pascal then TAB then my password then ENTER in mdkkdm, so it is not gone :) you must configure the login manager properly under kde --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Sunday 16 March 2003 10:59 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: I'll give you one scenario where I log in as root all the time... Install fests. I'm sure all of these people don't want a user james on their boxanother is when a friend calls up and says... It won't work can you help... I log in as root so I don't have to keep asking them for the root password... once is enough this way. As for the very real problem here. It comes with upgrades. (if an upgrade shouldn't be done then remove the option from the installer.) If you are running kdm now, with users hidden ( a prudent move I might add.) and you upgrade You can't log in as anyone! It keeps the old settings and won't allow you to login period. (had this happen with one of our senior programmers and boy was he pissed kept talking about getting his solaris box back *grin*) There it is a very real problem. The only way to fix it is to log in as root from tty1 and edit by hand kdmrc (or edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop to say gdm not kdm) and restart X Not a very user friendly option. IMAO (yes the A does stand for what you think *grin*) it's a case of fixing what wasn't really broken. But that's not my say. James And by the way, we have a dm that does not allow root login, but a new config tool that must be run from a gui as root. Anybody have the details on this? -- Greg
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 20:21, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 16 March 2003 10:59 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: I'll give you one scenario where I log in as root all the time... Install fests. I'm sure all of these people don't want a user james on their boxanother is when a friend calls up and says... It won't work can you help... I log in as root so I don't have to keep asking them for the root password... once is enough this way. As for the very real problem here. It comes with upgrades. (if an upgrade shouldn't be done then remove the option from the installer.) If you are running kdm now, with users hidden ( a prudent move I might add.) and you upgrade You can't log in as anyone! It keeps the old settings and won't allow you to login period. (had this happen with one of our senior programmers and boy was he pissed kept talking about getting his solaris box back *grin*) There it is a very real problem. The only way to fix it is to log in as root from tty1 and edit by hand kdmrc (or edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop to say gdm not kdm) and restart X Not a very user friendly option. IMAO (yes the A does stand for what you think *grin*) it's a case of fixing what wasn't really broken. But that's not my say. James And by the way, we have a dm that does not allow root login, but a new config tool that must be run from a gui as root. Anybody have the details on this? as root from a term window type drakedm Haven't found it anyplace in the menu... doesn't mean it's not there, just that I haven't found it. It's 4 radio buttons (kdm mdkkdm gdm and tdm ) and it does need you to get out of X and restart to activate. James
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
On Sunday 16 March 2003 11:30 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: And by the way, we have a dm that does not allow root login, but a new config tool that must be run from a gui as root. Anybody have the details on this? as root from a term window type drakedm Haven't found it anyplace in the menu... doesn't mean it's not there, just that I haven't found it. It's 4 radio buttons (kdm mdkkdm gdm and tdm ) and it does need you to get out of X and restart to activate. Sorry, I was referring to drakclub. Quote from Club announcement In addition to this, the same program (drakclub) will happily add MandrakeClub comm/9.1 directory as source of RPMs if started as root! :-) great idea, but what good is it if I cannot log in as root. -- Greg
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-17 04:30 --- On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 14:20, cybercfo wrote: And of course you are the god who does... *sigh* I don't give a hoot about it actually what I do give a hoot about is the excuse that I don't know how to work my own box. Don't tell me I'm not allowed to login as root or that I'm too dadgum stupid. In fact given that I've been around Unix ... computers and Communications systems for over 30 years now.. I might just might have learned a thing or 3. I know how to work around it.. Just don't try and shove it down my throat. I've got enough of that carp from DC right now ... don't need yours. Forgive me for being a bit short.. but I am tired of hearing comments like stupid bug Deal with it Learn how to use it you idiot and other such nonsense out of what otherwise is a very pleasurable group. Two things you'll learn out here in the real world. 1. When a question is asked smile and answer it, even if it's the hundredth time that day. 2. If you are hearing the same problem over and over... maybe your great idea wasn't so great after all. Admit it and move on. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-15 20:20 --- l.s, Mandrake 9.1 rc 2 Only if i do not install user during install i can log in as root in the graphical interface by means of keying in root and root password. As i have add one user i only can chose that user by cheking the users icon I have no possibility to give in the name root and the root password. As soon as one user is added giving in user naam by means of keying in the name is no longer possible . only chosing the user by means of his icon is possible login in in command line mode is possible as root. problem not solved Op donderdag 13 maart 2003 16:42, schreef u: --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-15 20:50 --- b.kruissink wrote: To enable an icon choice for root at login: kcontrol System Login Manager Administrator Mode Users. Here, with a combination of Show Users 'Not Hidden' (default) and unselecting root from Hidden Users, the root icon will appear at login. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-15 20:58 --- Sorry, this bug is invalid. You should never have to log in as root (actually, I can think of one reason, but it is very rare). BTW, you can 1)enable it by running KDE Control Center and running the Login Manager applet in Administrator mode, and change the configuration to not show usernames. This can also be done by setting the accompanying security setting in the Mandrake Control Center 2)Use some new drak tool (Hardware-Display Manager Chooser) to use a display Manager other than mdkkdm. Note that however any program in the menu that does not prompt you for the root password if it only works as root is the problem. So, if there are programs like this, rather open the bug on the package that owns that function. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jean- ||[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-08 17:59 --- *** Bug 2977 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 20:50 --- ok, thanks but why does netconf react different from linuxconf. in the graphical environment netconf says you must be root to start netconf linuxconf asks for root password and can be used by every user that supplies the root password Op vrijdag 28 februari 2003 20:00, schreef u: --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-02-28 17:50 --- L.s, when i want netconf i got the message you must be root then i go to the command line give in su with root password leave command line start netconf again. then the message you must be root comes again . strange is i also installed linuxconf and that is asking for root password and is working normaly after supplying root password. Op donderdag 27 februari 2003 11:10, schreef u: --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-02-28 20:00 --- running su in a console doesn't make you root everywhere. it only makes you root in that console. so run su, enter root password, then run netconf from that console. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-02-27 11:10 --- Viestissä Torstai 27. Helmikuuta 2003 01:43, jayare kirjoitti: It's the same behaviour as WindowsXP, where Administrator account is shown only in failsafe mode... And why do you need to log in as root when you have su and sudo... --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-02-26 11:10 --- l.s, When i install without users then after install i have the possibility to log in as root in the graphical interface. Then i can create users. When i log out then i have only the possibility to log in with the created users in the graphical interface. log in as root is only possible in command line mode. the only problem was that the kde had no right in the home dir so graphical interface could not be started. I don,t know if this was my fault or a fault from the system ( not giving the new created users the correct right to there home dir. login as root in the graphical interface is only possible if no other users are created. why is the possibility to log in as root by giving in the name root no longer possible. Op vrijdag 21 februari 2003 17:17, schreef u: --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added CC||[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-02-27 00:14 --- *** Bug 2469 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-02-27 00:43 --- I have the same problem, so is there an answer? ONly after deleting all users, is there the possibility to even have a field available to login as root --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-02-09 12:19 --- Could you tell me one thing that work as root but not with su ? --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-02-08 09:20 --- pascal, In version 9.0 in the inlog screen i have the possibilty to chose an icon or give in the name of the user. Root is not an icon but i can enter it with the keyboard. This is no longer available in 9.1 beta. I can choose a user via icon but i do not have the possibility to enter the user name by keyboard. Why, there some options that do not work if you are not logged in as root even not if you are root via su and password of root Op vrijdag 07 februari 2003 20:01, schreef u: --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
