Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Le ven 24/10/2003 à 12:20, Jan Ciger a écrit : Brad Felmey wrote: | I will smile and politely pat you on the shoulder, understanding | perfectly that you obviously have zero experience migrating an | enterprise environment to Linux. Well, yes, you are right, but what I do not agree with is putting a link to smb:/ on the desktop, unless it is made more reliable. It does not work properly for me (I am current on Cooker) - I am seeing some shares from our Windows server but not others, some directories seem to be empty even though they are not and many other strange things like this. Either use LinNeighborhood (which works fine for me) or nothing for now, because a half-broken solution is worse than none. filled bug reports against lisa/gnome-vfs/kio-smb yes, but not to say they are bugged. The whole design idea is wrong. IMO in doesn't make sense to abstract a filesystem at a DE level, at least not for current systems. It would be better if lisa (or whatever) asked LUFS or even plain (smb)mount to mount the fs. This is less work and has probably less bugs than the current hacks. Playing an mp3 via smb:// currently means downloading the file first before a player starts playing it. I do not want 2 minute pauses between my music (don't even try it with video). Mounting it makes it available for all apps and toolkits. Makes more sense to me. I agree. But smbmount / smbfs is the wrong place to start now, mount.cifs / cifs is the better place to start (in case you want to watch a movie 2GB or access Win2k3 shares etc. BTW, pam_mount and kio_smb are enough for us here (mainly since we have a better solution for file sharing, a specific, automated share for temporary sharing, and well-managed shares accessible via samba and NFS for project-related files etc), so I won't have much motivation to look at this ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nkicrJK6UGDSBKcRAkQiAJ4jex7/rGC5vAZbS+MTlb/cdClIOwCffEDx 3xRMU+QgxAZId5Hmprha5fE= =Kw0b -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10.23, Brad Felmey wrote: BTW, if this ever comes to mdk, plz think that a network neighborhood is not a 'windows' nbh, you can also see nfs shares... Learn from osx, the network browse window shows AppleTalk zones and SMB zones, you do not distinguish them. Well, at present lisa is so depressing that I can't really suggest lan:/ over smb:/. If lisa is improved (to show something like this: LAN Browser: -All machines (current content of lan:/, showing all protocols) -Windows-compatible (smb:/) -Netware-compatible (as yet non-existent ncp:/) -Unix-compatible (as yet non-existent nfs:/ or autofs:/) -Directory (a better ldap:/, with working AD and NDS support) ) then I would agree. But, in a network with more than one subnet and/or workgroup, lan:/ is not able to do as well (for smb) as smb:/ (trust me). Since there is no precedent on unix for even needing to show an NFS browser on the desktop, I don't think it's such a high priority (since autofs can take care of it anyway, but can't do the same for most smb shares). BTW, I have looked at this briefly, and this is what I have at the moment: http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/screenshots/konqueror-network-services.png (Some windows machines on our network see 53 workgroups, I see 52 in smb:/ at present) Some small issues at present, mainly with LDAP: kio_ldap needs some work, since IMHO ldap:/ should show the default LDAP server (as pam_ldap, nss_ldap and ldapsearch etc use), either the one configured in /etc/ldap.conf, or if it is not configured there, the result of a lookup for the _ldap._tcp SRV record. Also, my Directory entry doesn't have a tree that expands, if you try an expand it, you get an error Can't find parent item ldap://ldap.cae.co.za/?one in the tree. Internal error. Also, double clicking on an entry gives you the dn for the entry in KWrite (no attributes even). I guess we need a kpart for LDIF. I have attached two files, modify them (at least the ldap.desktop if you have an LDAP server) and place them in .kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/virtual_folders/services Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nksErJK6UGDSBKcRAvXIAJ4m+VS/HOtGf3dYA/mo5zSwfMvBkgCgopbS NSDQdl4bmWqhLe8N1ewiBgA= =FJIZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Type=Link URL=ldap://ldap.cae.co.za/dc=cae,dc=co,dc=za Icon=network Name=Directory Name[af]=lan blaaier Name[ar]=تصفح LAN Name[az]=LAN Səhhayı Name[bg]=Преглед на локална мрежа(LAN) Name[bs]=LAN preglednik Name[cs]=Prohlížení lokální sítě Name[de]=LAN-Browser Name[el]=Περιηγητής LAN Name[eo]=Rigardilo por loka reto Name[es]=Navegador LAN Name[et]=LANi lehitsemine Name[eu]=LAN Arakatzailea Name[fi]=LAN-selailu Name[fr]=Navigateur dans le réseau local Name[he]=רשת מקומית Name[hu]=A helyi hálózat böngészése Name[is]=Flakk um staðarnet Name[it]=Navigazione della rete locale Name[ja]=LAN ブラウザ Name[lt]=Vietinio tinklo naršyklė Name[lv]=LAN Pārlūks Name[nb]=Lan-surfer Name[nl]=LAN-Browser Name[nn]=LAN-surfing Name[pl]=Przeglądarka sieci lokalnej Name[pt]=Navegador da LAN Name[pt_BR]=Navegação LAN Name[ro]=Navigator LAN Name[ru]=Просмотр локальной сети Name[sk]=Prehliadanie siete LAN Name[sl]=Brskanje po LAN Name[sv]=LAN-bläddrare Name[ta]=LAN ¯Ä¡Å¢ Name[th]=การเรียกดูระบบแลน Name[tr]=LAN Tarayıcı Name[uk]=Перегляд ЛОМ Name[ven]=Buronza ya LAN Name[vi]=Trình duyệt LAN Name[xh]=Umkhangeli zincwadi we LAN Name[xx]=xx Name[zh_CN]=LAN 浏览器 Name[zh_TW]=區域網路瀏覽器 Name[zu]=Umbheki zincwadi ze LAN Open=false X-KDE-TreeModule=Directory X-KDE-KonqSidebarModule=konqsidebar_tree [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Type=Link URL=smb:/ Icon=network Name=Windows Network Name[af]=lan blaaier Name[ar]=تصفح LAN Name[az]=LAN Səhhayı Name[bg]=Преглед на локална мрежа(LAN) Name[bs]=LAN preglednik Name[cs]=Prohlížení lokální sítě Name[de]=LAN-Browser Name[el]=Περιηγητής LAN Name[eo]=Rigardilo por loka reto Name[es]=Navegador LAN Name[et]=LANi lehitsemine Name[eu]=LAN Arakatzailea Name[fi]=LAN-selailu Name[fr]=Navigateur dans le réseau local Name[he]=רשת מקומית Name[hu]=A helyi hálózat böngészése Name[is]=Flakk um staðarnet Name[it]=Navigazione della rete locale Name[ja]=LAN ブラウザ Name[lt]=Vietinio tinklo naršyklė Name[lv]=LAN Pārlūks Name[nb]=Lan-surfer Name[nl]=LAN-Browser Name[nn]=LAN-surfing Name[pl]=Przeglądarka sieci lokalnej Name[pt]=Navegador da LAN Name[pt_BR]=Navegação LAN Name[ro]=Navigator LAN Name[ru]=Просмотр локальной сети
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
On Tuesday 28 October 2003 02:55 am, Buchan Milne wrote: Also, my Directory entry doesn't have a tree that expands, if you try an expand it, you get an error Can't find parent item ldap://ldap.cae.co.za/?one in the tree. Internal error. Also, double clicking on an entry gives you the dn for the entry in KWrite (no attributes even). I guess we need a kpart for LDIF. I have attached two files, modify them (at least the ldap.desktop if you have an LDAP server) and place them in .kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/virtual_folders/services Regards, Buchan Did not try the ldap one as I don't have ldap running yet. For the smb one though it indeed does see at least one system on my network but not the others. Lisa does see them but with no name resolution so they are all ip addies. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
Le mar 28/10/2003 à 10:55, Buchan Milne a écrit : Some small issues at present, mainly with LDAP: kio_ldap needs some work, since IMHO ldap:/ should show the default LDAP server (as pam_ldap, nss_ldap and ldapsearch etc use), either the one configured in /etc/ldap.conf, or if it is not configured there, the result of a lookup for the _ldap._tcp SRV record. Also, my Directory entry doesn't have a tree that expands, if you try an expand it, you get an error Can't find parent item ldap://ldap.cae.co.za/?one in the tree. Internal error. Also, double clicking on an entry gives you the dn for the entry in KWrite (no attributes even). I guess we need a kpart for LDIF. I have attached two files, modify them (at least the ldap.desktop if you have an LDAP server) and place them in .kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/virtual_folders/services Have you fill some bug report to http://bugs.kde.org/ ? if not, you should as you have some very interesting things. --- -- kiler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) a rejoint #mandrakefr re all oh non pas lui #mandrakefr
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Have you fill some bug report to http://bugs.kde.org/ ? if not, you should as you have some very interesting things. Not yet, I guess I should ... though I may start working on some things quite soon, but I guess it's better to post pactches into KDE bugzilla. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nqjWrJK6UGDSBKcRAjeIAJ9++a9dCnAfkx0R4bj6hjWiTZ/H2wCfdzl2 APRL3aeKUeCz5J1VNF/0Jt0= =bqoG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Le ven 24/10/2003 à 12:20, Jan Ciger a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Felmey wrote: | I will smile and politely pat you on the shoulder, understanding | perfectly that you obviously have zero experience migrating an | enterprise environment to Linux. Well, yes, you are right, but what I do not agree with is putting a link to smb:/ on the desktop, unless it is made more reliable. It does not work properly for me (I am current on Cooker) - I am seeing some shares from our Windows server but not others, some directories seem to be empty even though they are not and many other strange things like this. Either use LinNeighborhood (which works fine for me) or nothing for now, because a half-broken solution is worse than none. filled bug reports against lisa/gnome-vfs/kio-smb yes, but not to say they are bugged. The whole design idea is wrong. IMO in doesn't make sense to abstract a filesystem at a DE level, at least not for current systems. It would be better if lisa (or whatever) asked LUFS or even plain (smb)mount to mount the fs. This is less work and has probably less bugs than the current hacks. Playing an mp3 via smb:// currently means downloading the file first before a player starts playing it. I do not want 2 minute pauses between my music (don't even try it with video). Mounting it makes it available for all apps and toolkits. Makes more sense to me. d.
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Felmey wrote: | I will smile and politely pat you on the shoulder, understanding | perfectly that you obviously have zero experience migrating an | enterprise environment to Linux. Well, yes, you are right, but what I do not agree with is putting a link to smb:/ on the desktop, unless it is made more reliable. It does not work properly for me (I am current on Cooker) - I am seeing some shares from our Windows server but not others, some directories seem to be empty even though they are not and many other strange things like this. Either use LinNeighborhood (which works fine for me) or nothing for now, because a half-broken solution is worse than none. Jan - -- Jan Ciger VRlab EPFL Switzerland GPG public key : http://www.keyserver.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/mRkjn11XseNj94gRAgITAJsHeBOywFMSRL00Q24oMV6BkJdn1wCfesK+ lCMRtHECH6cLbuzNNB11RBs= =vgv1 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
Le jeu 23/10/2003 à 23:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : BTW, if this ever comes to mdk, plz think that a network neighborhood is not a 'windows' nbh, you can also see nfs shares... Learn from osx, the network browse window shows AppleTalk zones and SMB zones, you do not distinguish them. Well, at present lisa is so depressing that I can't really suggest lan:/ over smb:/. If lisa is improved (to show something like this: LAN Browser: -All machines (current content of lan:/, showing all protocols) -Windows-compatible (smb:/) -Netware-compatible (as yet non-existent ncp:/) -Unix-compatible (as yet non-existent nfs:/ or autofs:/) -Directory (a better ldap:/, with working AD and NDS support) ) then I would agree. But, in a network with more than one subnet and/or workgroup, lan:/ is not able to do as well (for smb) as smb:/ (trust me). Since there is no precedent on unix for even needing to show an NFS browser on the desktop, I don't think it's such a high priority (since autofs can take care of it anyway, but can't do the same for most smb shares). We could have had some cred for shipping with an smb:/ icon (since it is trivial to do), and do plan on the rest for later. Or we could just wait for everyone else to have it first. Innovation, here we come. And maybe someone can actually make drakconnect work sufficiently for winbind authentication setup to work during installation for people other than RHCEs and LPI cert holders. (sorry, but it's just depressing to see a feature which worked great in 9.0 trashed, when there is only one other distro with the same feature, and they get rave reviews for it ... and I don't feel confident enough in it being working sufficiently in 9.1 and 9.2 to actually do any work advertising it - even if it was responsible for getting 10 desktops into an enterprise windows network) I love you , u know it ? ;) 100% agree. Lindows do it too. it's true that lisa ( and gnome-vfs2 ) should be improved so that we could have the ability to display everything with a good organisation. But at this time, with what we have, we should do the best and there it's putting this icon on the desktop. That's simple ! Note : nautilus need to be patch so that it doesn't display this icon ( cf Home Trash case ) --- La fourmi n'est pas preteuse : C'est la sont moindre defaut. -- Jean de La Fontaine, La Cigale et la Fourmi
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
Le ven 24/10/2003 à 12:20, Jan Ciger a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Felmey wrote: | I will smile and politely pat you on the shoulder, understanding | perfectly that you obviously have zero experience migrating an | enterprise environment to Linux. Well, yes, you are right, but what I do not agree with is putting a link to smb:/ on the desktop, unless it is made more reliable. It does not work properly for me (I am current on Cooker) - I am seeing some shares from our Windows server but not others, some directories seem to be empty even though they are not and many other strange things like this. Either use LinNeighborhood (which works fine for me) or nothing for now, because a half-broken solution is worse than none. filled bug reports against lisa/gnome-vfs/kio-smb --- OCCASION!!! Dynamite servi une fois, etat neuf !!!
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
On Thursday 23 October 2003 04:04 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (sorry, but it's just depressing to see a feature which worked great in 9.0 trashed, when there is only one other distro with the same feature, and they get rave reviews for it ... and I don't feel confident enough in it being working sufficiently in 9.1 and 9.2 to actually do any work advertising it - even if it was responsible for getting 10 desktops into an enterprise windows network) Regards, Buchan yes can you say corel linux way back when had this it was great, xandros has it now as well as lindows, oh and dont forget about ark linux which does this just fine also. We are more than a little behind on this if so many others can have it working just fine and in the case of corel that was literally years ago. It is a testament though that bero with ark linux has had it working for about a year now also. Anybody here remember when bero joined mandrake to help setup the i586 builds besides me? And to however above that said this is a bad idea you have no idea what you are talking about. This is a sorely needed feature. On a side note I love admining my boxen with kio_fish it is so nice to edit files from the gui and then just restart the deamon from a terminal. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Felmey wrote: | I will smile and politely pat you on the shoulder, understanding | perfectly that you obviously have zero experience migrating an | enterprise environment to Linux. Well, yes, you are right, but what I do not agree with is putting a link to smb:/ on the desktop, unless it is made more reliable. It works great for me (at least, it shows all the workgroups the windows machines show, even if we can't access them anyway since we have firewalled ourselves off from the worms long ago ...). It does not work properly for me (I am current on Cooker) - I am seeing some shares from our Windows server but not others, Have you authenticated correctly to the server (setting in KDE Control Center-Networking-SMB Shares I think)? some directories seem to be empty even though they are not and many other strange things like this. Just recently, I have had to hit refresh when entering some directories. This wasn't necessary just a few weeks ago ... but I assume if can be restored to work the way it did before). Anyway, it seems your samba browsing is somewhat broken (or you are in an AD-only network without a WINS server or something like that). Also, it should be better when we can compile kio_smb against libsmbclient again (as soon as cooker is open and I can put samba3 in main). Either use LinNeighborhood (which works fine for me) or nothing for now, because a half-broken solution is worse than none. LinNeighborhood works worse for me (WINS support doesn't really work correctly I think). Regards, Buchan
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
Le jeu 23/10/2003 à 23:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I love you , u know it ? ;) Don't tell my girlfriend ;-) 100% agree. Lindows do it too. it's true that lisa ( and gnome-vfs2 ) should be improved so that we could have the ability to display everything with a good organisation. I will see if I have the time to look at some of this ... but I suspect not :-(. But at this time, with what we have, we should do the best and there it's putting this icon on the desktop. That's simple ! Exactly! Note : nautilus need to be patch so that it doesn't display this icon ( cf Home Trash case ) Actually, I think it should work fine? I tested an icon with smb:/ URL, and it displayed the workgroups in Nautilus when opening it. Just, I think gnome-vfs2 isn't quite up to it quite yet, Nautilus doesn't know what to do with the SMB shares (asks which application to use to open it ...). Of cousre, lan:/ does not work, which is one of the reasons for going for smb:/ for now instead of lan:/. Regards, Buchan
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |Well, yes, you are right, but what I do not agree with is putting a link |to smb:/ on the desktop, unless it is made more reliable. | | | It works great for me (at least, it shows all the workgroups the windows | machines show, even if we can't access them anyway since we have | firewalled ourselves off from the worms long ago ...). For me it shows more-or-less everything, but when accessing the directories on the server, I get often empty directories or it displays a wrong one (e.g. when quickly switching from one to another) etc. | Have you authenticated correctly to the server (setting in KDE Control | Center-Networking-SMB Shares I think)? Yes, otherwise I would not be able to get into the server at all. We have an NT4 machine as domain controller, that may be the difference (no workgroups, just domain - Samba used to work better with workgroups, as far as I remember). | Just recently, I have had to hit refresh when entering some directories. | This wasn't necessary just a few weeks ago ... but I assume if can be | restored to work the way it did before). I didn't try much before, but I have seen this problem too. The directory shows empty and I have to refresh it several times to get the listing of files in there. | Anyway, it seems your samba browsing is somewhat broken (or you are in an | AD-only network without a WINS server or something like that). Funny thing is, that smbclient and LinNeighborhood have no problems. Just kio_smb. We have a standalone domain here, no AD in sight so far. | Also, it | should be better when we can compile kio_smb against libsmbclient again | (as soon as cooker is open and I can put samba3 in main). I will test it, when it gets into Cooker. | LinNeighborhood works worse for me (WINS support doesn't really work | correctly I think). Hmm, we probably do not have WINS here, so that may be the problem. Jan - -- Jan Ciger VRlab EPFL Switzerland GPG public key : http://www.keyserver.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/maGOn11XseNj94gRAmr0AJ4wDCbpfYijFlZF/G2J691cYLBJJgCZAUsl FbV6ikK2VURAZWMQYPRdffE= =3KPm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
On Thursday 23 October 2003 04:04 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (sorry, but it's just depressing to see a feature which worked great in 9.0 trashed, when there is only one other distro with the same feature, and they get rave reviews for it ... and I don't feel confident enough in it being working sufficiently in 9.1 and 9.2 to actually do any work advertising it - even if it was responsible for getting 10 desktops into an enterprise windows network) yes can you say corel linux way back when had this it was great, xandros has it now as well as lindows, oh and dont forget about ark linux which does this just fine also. Hmm, AFAIK it's only Xandros which can actually do full domain membership as we do with Winbind. Most other solutions are hacks (like RH's use of pam_smb which is only about a quarter of a solution). We are more than a little behind on this if so many others can have it working just fine and in the case of corel that was literally years ago. IIRC, Corel didn't have domain membership working. And their fancy file manager is proprietary. It is a testament though that bero with ark linux has had it working for about a year now also. Anybody here remember when bero joined mandrake to help setup the i586 builds besides me? I answered one of Bero's questions on samba last week (and it seems they're implementing something like diskdrake's smb mount support), so I don't really think we are that much behind Ark anyway. And to however above that said this is a bad idea you have no idea what you are talking about. This is a sorely needed feature. And there are a lot more (but some of them won't be feasible for a while, such as full Kerberos integration etc to make this all seamless in the right environment). On a side note I love admining my boxen with kio_fish it is so nice to edit files from the gui and then just restart the deamon from a terminal. /me only trusts vi ;-). But, I hope libConf gets taken seriously for 10.0 it has a lot of potential, and I wish I had the time to actually start working on the front-end bits for samba and openldap ... Regards, Buchan
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 11:40, Buchan Milne wrote: So, when can we add an icon on the desktop for smb:/ in KDE and GNOME by default, called something like Local Network (I have one on my desktop - - actually called Windows Network, and it works great). I concur. This is exactly what I've been doing with my users. Just put a konq link on the desktop called Windows Network, and point it to smb:/. I also added it to the personal toolbars in Konq, so it's easy to get there from wherever. It's seamless to them, and really went a long way toward their happiness in Linux. -- Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
On 10.23, Brad Felmey wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 11:40, Buchan Milne wrote: So, when can we add an icon on the desktop for smb:/ in KDE and GNOME by default, called something like Local Network (I have one on my desktop - - actually called Windows Network, and it works great). I concur. This is exactly what I've been doing with my users. Just put a konq link on the desktop called Windows Network, and point it to smb:/. I also added it to the personal toolbars in Konq, so it's easy to get there from wherever. It's seamless to them, and really went a long way toward their happiness in Linux. I disagree here. Why is everybody so found on making Linux look like Windows ? Linux is linux, it is great, and works its way. Why everybody thinks that what Winblow$ does is sliced bread wrt user interfaces/interaction ? That is the never ending problem. You can make linux _look_ like windows, but never _behave_ like windows (unless you fill it up with bugs ;). The user comparing it will always say 'mmm, almost, but not the same, this is a windows-wannabe'. BTW, if this ever comes to mdk, plz think that a network neighborhood is not a 'windows' nbh, you can also see nfs shares... Learn from osx, the network browse window shows AppleTalk zones and SMB zones, you do not distinguish them. -- J.A. Magallon jamagallon()able!es \ Software is like sex: werewolf!able!es \ It's better when it's free Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (Cooker) for i586 Linux 2.4.23-pre7-jam2 (gcc 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.2 3.3.1-2mdk))
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
On 10.23, Brad Felmey wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 11:40, Buchan Milne wrote: So, when can we add an icon on the desktop for smb:/ in KDE and GNOME by default, called something like Local Network (I have one on my desktop - - actually called Windows Network, and it works great). I concur. This is exactly what I've been doing with my users. Just put a konq link on the desktop called Windows Network, and point it to smb:/. I also added it to the personal toolbars in Konq, so it's easy to get there from wherever. It's seamless to them, and really went a long way toward their happiness in Linux. I disagree here. Why is everybody so found on making Linux look like Windows ? How about the fact that migrating an enterprise network means catering to 95% of users who have never seen anything but Windows? Of course, this issue would be much less pressing if there were some way to control desktop shortcuts globally (at least pre-desktop) without having to script it all. Linux is linux, it is great, and works its way. Why everybody thinks that what Winblow$ does is sliced bread wrt user interfaces/interaction ? So, it is a good idea to hide *all* the functionality of the OS? Many people have problems working with the Windows machines (make that 95% of the machines they access) on their network. I would like to spend less time answering but where are the shares on the network? which could be achieved by this. That is the never ending problem. You can make linux _look_ like windows, but never _behave_ like windows (unless you fill it up with bugs ;). I didn't ask to be able to right-click on the icon and choose properties. I just think that it should be readily apparent to newbies (who are otherwise clueless about ssh, scp, kio_fish, NFS, rsync, smbclient, smbmount etc etc etc) that Linux is viable on a Windows network (or other network for that matter). The user comparing it will always say 'mmm, almost, but not the same, this is a windows-wannabe'. But that's better than it can't even network with my office lan at all. BTW, if this ever comes to mdk, plz think that a network neighborhood is not a 'windows' nbh, you can also see nfs shares... Learn from osx, the network browse window shows AppleTalk zones and SMB zones, you do not distinguish them. Well, at present lisa is so depressing that I can't really suggest lan:/ over smb:/. If lisa is improved (to show something like this: LAN Browser: -All machines (current content of lan:/, showing all protocols) -Windows-compatible (smb:/) -Netware-compatible (as yet non-existent ncp:/) -Unix-compatible (as yet non-existent nfs:/ or autofs:/) -Directory (a better ldap:/, with working AD and NDS support) ) then I would agree. But, in a network with more than one subnet and/or workgroup, lan:/ is not able to do as well (for smb) as smb:/ (trust me). Since there is no precedent on unix for even needing to show an NFS browser on the desktop, I don't think it's such a high priority (since autofs can take care of it anyway, but can't do the same for most smb shares). We could have had some cred for shipping with an smb:/ icon (since it is trivial to do), and do plan on the rest for later. Or we could just wait for everyone else to have it first. Innovation, here we come. And maybe someone can actually make drakconnect work sufficiently for winbind authentication setup to work during installation for people other than RHCEs and LPI cert holders. (sorry, but it's just depressing to see a feature which worked great in 9.0 trashed, when there is only one other distro with the same feature, and they get rave reviews for it ... and I don't feel confident enough in it being working sufficiently in 9.1 and 9.2 to actually do any work advertising it - even if it was responsible for getting 10 desktops into an enterprise windows network) Regards, Buchan
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 17:28, J.A. Magallon wrote: Why is everybody so found on making Linux look like Windows ? Linux is linux, it is great, and works its way. Why everybody thinks that what Winblow$ does is sliced bread wrt user interfaces/interaction ? I will smile and politely pat you on the shoulder, understanding perfectly that you obviously have zero experience migrating an enterprise environment to Linux. -- Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Uncompensated Mandrake Guinea Pigs, Inc.
