Re: [COOT] DNA structure refining problem

2010-02-08 Thread Paul Emsley

Norman Zhu wrote:

This email is a continuation of an inquiry I post last week.  The
problem I had and still is i can't use the real space refine
zone and regularization zone functions on a DNA structure.  Whenever i
ask the computer to fit the bases into the electron density it would give me
a solution that would only satisfies the needs of the purine and pyrimidine
bases
but at the expense of the sugar and phosphate back bone.  



The devil's in the detail.  Do you atom names in the pdb file match the 
atom names in the Refmac dictionary?  Perhaps you use prime names and 
the dictionary uses * names.   Upgrading to a recent pre-release should 
help with the diagnostics.


Paul.


Re: [COOT] DNA structure refining problem

2010-02-08 Thread Tim Silverstein
Hey Norm,

What are your sugar atoms named in the pdb?  Coot likes to explode them if
they have primes (C5') instead of stars (C5*).

Tim



On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Norman Zhu zhunor...@gmail.com wrote:

 hello there

This email is a continuation of an inquiry I post last week.  The
 problem I had and still is i can't use the real space refine
 zone and regularization zone functions on a DNA structure.  Whenever i
 ask the computer to fit the bases into the electron density it would give
 me
 a solution that would only satisfies the needs of the purine and pyrimidine
 bases
 but at the expense of the sugar and phosphate back bone.  The solution
 would
 stretch all the atoms on the back bone beyond their bond length and place
 some other ones out side of the density map.  To see if this would also
 happen to a base that doesn't need to be refined I used the real space
 refine function on a base that sits comfortably in batch of well defined
 electron density.  The same thing happened.  I attached two before and
 after
 images to show you what i am talking about.  I tries this function again a
 well defined protein residue and it worked just fine.  To fix this problem
 i
 tried all kinds of methods but nothing worked.   I tried lower the matrix
 refinement from 60 to 10 to 2, as some people have suggested.  I tried
 anchoring atoms at few key positions. I moved atoms one by one into the
 density  refine it afterward, but nothing worked.  It seems as though the
 program can't recognize the nucleotides as nucleotide.  It maybe trying to
 refine it as a protein and using all the wrong constrains.  i don't know, I
 am not programmer.  Has anybody encounter this problem before?
 Norm
 P.S. i also included a image of the base i trying to fix.  I wanted to show
 you how a straight forward a problem it should have been.  Also that the
 density of my map is good and should not causing the problem.




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Re: [COOT] [ccp4bb] coot and probe clash

2010-02-08 Thread William G. Scott
On Feb 8, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Nathaniel Echols wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:51 PM, William G. Scott wgsc...@chemistry.ucsc.edu
 wrote:
 
 This is available to install as a binary from here:
 
 http://molprobity.biochem.duke.edu/get_molprobity.php
 
 
 Although probe and MolProbity3 are said to be free and open source
 software distributed under a BSD-style license, I can't find the source
 code, so I can't make coot depend on it within fink.
 
 
 http://kinemage.biochem.duke.edu/software/probe.php
 
 and Reduce (also required for Coot, I think) is here:
 http://kinemage.biochem.duke.edu/software/reduce.php
 
 -Nat

OK, I have added both now to fink cvs (unstable branch).  Feedback appreciated.