Re: [COOT] Coot with stereo LCD on OS X
Just for you (well, also me and anyone who wants it): http://code.google.com/p/zsh-templates-osx/source/detail?r=138 (Powermate and Zalman monitor specific) On Jul 30, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Wataru Kagawa wrote: Hi Bill: I am excited to hear that Coot works in stereo using the combination of the Zalman LCD display and Mac mini/iBook. Is it possible to the same thing with a Mac Pro or an iMac (Intel)? Thanks. Wataru Kagawa On 2009/07/29, at 16:08, William G. Scott wrote: Yo people: Following Warren DeLano's recommendations at pymol.org/zalman, I got a Zalman monitor for about $US 300, which, in California dollars, is about a week's worth of groceries at our local rat- infested Safeway. The latest PyMOL and Coot both work great in stereo. I would go so far as to say these look as good as they did on my ca. $12K (1999 dollars) SGI R1s with Sony trinatron monitors, which I finally got rid of earlier this year. Also, the quality of the migraine these induce seems to be a bit more tolerable. I found it worked fine with a Mac mini (the one my kids have connected to a TV to watch old Flintstones episodes), and also my wife's first generation iBook, the latter of which has no separate graphics card. So if you set it up with a mini, you can have a dedicated stereographics workstation with a reasonable quality monitor for under $1K (or just have a monitor and have your users bring their own laptop and a DVI connector. It comes with DVI and VGA cables, and 1 pair of normal and one pair of clip-on circularly polarized glasses, and enough styrofoam packing to get rid of the last remaining wisps of an evanescent ozone layer. Thanks to Paul (and Warren) for implementing this. Bill William G. Scott contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott
Re: [COOT] Coot with stereo LCD on OS X
Hi Bill: I am excited to hear that Coot works in stereo using the combination of the Zalman LCD display and Mac mini/iBook. Is it possible to the same thing with a Mac Pro or an iMac (Intel)? Thanks. Wataru Kagawa On 2009/07/29, at 16:08, William G. Scott wrote: Yo people: Following Warren DeLano's recommendations at pymol.org/zalman, I got a Zalman monitor for about $US 300, which, in California dollars, is about a week's worth of groceries at our local rat-infested Safeway. The latest PyMOL and Coot both work great in stereo. I would go so far as to say these look as good as they did on my ca. $12K (1999 dollars) SGI R1s with Sony trinatron monitors, which I finally got rid of earlier this year. Also, the quality of the migraine these induce seems to be a bit more tolerable. I found it worked fine with a Mac mini (the one my kids have connected to a TV to watch old Flintstones episodes), and also my wife's first generation iBook, the latter of which has no separate graphics card. So if you set it up with a mini, you can have a dedicated stereographics workstation with a reasonable quality monitor for under $1K (or just have a monitor and have your users bring their own laptop and a DVI connector. It comes with DVI and VGA cables, and 1 pair of normal and one pair of clip-on circularly polarized glasses, and enough styrofoam packing to get rid of the last remaining wisps of an evanescent ozone layer. Thanks to Paul (and Warren) for implementing this. Bill William G. Scott contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott
Re: [COOT] Coot with stereo LCD on OS X
Hi Wataru: Great to hear from you. It will work with any computer that has a VGA or DVI-compatible port for an external monitor. My iMac has one. I don't have a Mac Pro, but I assume it also has this, since every other Mac I have ever seen does. The main point is that it works even with the low-end computers (which is all I can afford). You should be able to get it for about $US 300. I hope all is well. Bill On Thu, July 30, 2009 6:30 pm, Wataru Kagawa wrote: > Hi Bill: > > I am excited to hear that Coot works in stereo using the combination > of the Zalman LCD display and Mac mini/iBook. > Is it possible to the same thing with a Mac Pro or an iMac (Intel)? > > Thanks. > > Wataru Kagawa > > On 2009/07/29, at 16:08, William G. Scott wrote: > >> Yo people: >> >> Following Warren DeLano's recommendations at pymol.org/zalman, I got >> a Zalman monitor for about $US 300, which, in California dollars, is >> about a week's worth of groceries at our local rat-infested Safeway. >> >> The latest PyMOL and Coot both work great in stereo. I would go so >> far as to say these look as good as they did on my ca. $12K (1999 >> dollars) SGI R1s with Sony trinatron monitors, which I finally >> got rid of earlier this year. Also, the quality of the migraine >> these induce seems to be a bit more tolerable. >> >> I found it worked fine with a Mac mini (the one my kids have >> connected to a TV to watch old Flintstones episodes), and also my >> wife's first generation iBook, the latter of which has no separate >> graphics card. So if you set it up with a mini, you can have a >> dedicated stereographics workstation with a reasonable quality >> monitor for under $1K (or just have a monitor and have your users >> bring their own laptop and a DVI connector. >> >> It comes with DVI and VGA cables, and 1 pair of normal and one pair >> of clip-on circularly polarized glasses, and enough styrofoam >> packing to get rid of the last remaining wisps of an evanescent >> ozone layer. >> >> Thanks to Paul (and Warren) for implementing this. >> >> Bill >> >> >> William G. Scott >> >> contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott > William G. Scott Contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/
Re: [COOT] Coot with stereo LCD on OS X
Paul Emsley wrote: For me, the reference stereo image is Frodo on a E&S PS390. Me too. It's funny what we call progress. Cheers, Charlie -- Charlie Bond Professorial Fellow University of Western Australia School of Biomedical, Biomolecular and Chemical Sciences M310 35 Stirling Highway Crawley WA 6009 Australia charles.b...@uwa.edu.au +61 8 6488 4406
Re: [COOT] Coot with stereo LCD on OS X
On Jul 29, 2009, at 3:34 AM, Paul Emsley wrote: For me, the reference stereo image is Frodo on a E&S PS390. I'm old(e) enough to remember having used that. You might like to tweak the eye angle: set_hardware_stereo_angle_factor(1.45) # or some such (I am presuming that you are using the pythonic version). The mac (fink) versions that we packaged use both python and scheme simultaneously at the same time all at once concurrently and in unison. Thanks to Paul (and Warren) for implementing this. For stereo support of Zalman M220W in Coot, credit should entirely go to Bernhard Lohkamp. Sorry, I fscked up. I have no excuse, given previous email exchanges, except to plead sleep deprivation and juvenile onset senility (but I remember the PS300). Regards, Paul. Tootle pip. Bill
Re: [COOT] Coot with stereo LCD on OS X
William G. Scott wrote: The latest PyMOL and Coot both work great in stereo. I would go so far as to say these look as good as they did on my ca. $12K (1999 dollars) SGI R1s with Sony trinatron monitors [...] Wow. That's pretty good. You encourage me to fix the naive stereo "rotation". Item scheduled for 0.7 then. For me, the reference stereo image is Frodo on a E&S PS390. You might like to tweak the eye angle: set_hardware_stereo_angle_factor(1.45) # or some such (I am presuming that you are using the pythonic version). Thanks to Paul (and Warren) for implementing this. For stereo support of Zalman M220W in Coot, credit should entirely go to Bernhard Lohkamp. Regards, Paul.
[COOT] Coot with stereo LCD on OS X
Yo people: Following Warren DeLano's recommendations at pymol.org/zalman, I got a Zalman monitor for about $US 300, which, in California dollars, is about a week's worth of groceries at our local rat-infested Safeway. The latest PyMOL and Coot both work great in stereo. I would go so far as to say these look as good as they did on my ca. $12K (1999 dollars) SGI R1s with Sony trinatron monitors, which I finally got rid of earlier this year. Also, the quality of the migraine these induce seems to be a bit more tolerable. I found it worked fine with a Mac mini (the one my kids have connected to a TV to watch old Flintstones episodes), and also my wife's first generation iBook, the latter of which has no separate graphics card. So if you set it up with a mini, you can have a dedicated stereographics workstation with a reasonable quality monitor for under $1K (or just have a monitor and have your users bring their own laptop and a DVI connector. It comes with DVI and VGA cables, and 1 pair of normal and one pair of clip-on circularly polarized glasses, and enough styrofoam packing to get rid of the last remaining wisps of an evanescent ozone layer. Thanks to Paul (and Warren) for implementing this. Bill William G. Scott contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott
