Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hanlin/Presbyterian/Protestant churches in Omagh 1742-1792

[Sue Worachek via CoTyroneList]

To which places must I make appointments? I am planning on going to PRONI and 
the Mellon Center.  I don’t think either of them require a reservation, 
correct? 

Is there any place else that I should consider? 

Thanks,
Sue

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> On Sep 2, 2019, at 2:19 AM, Pat  wrote:
> 
> I just want to shout a great big Thank You to Len and all those would support 
> Co Tyrone. This site is helping me to understand research here. I am use to 
> walking into the National Archives and doing my research. Ireland is so 
> different as you must make appointments ahead of time. I love this site. 
> Thanks again. Pay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2019, at 18:35, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Sue,
>>  
>> My thoughts are that you should be looking at which church records have 
>> survived for congregations in and about Omagh from the mid eighteenth 
>> century. Sadly, this is a very big ask in Ireland. The town of Omagh lies 
>> within Drumragh parish, although Cappagh parish lies to the very north of 
>> the town
>>  
>> All early church records have been filmed by the staff of PRONI and lists 
>> may be found in their online catalogue
>> https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records
>>  
>> Things do not look very positive if you refer to the below: this is the best 
>> you can do owing to the very rushed nature of your query. Good luck with 
>> your search – it may be possible to locate family members who remained at 
>> home.
>>  
>> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
>>  
>> DRUMRAGH PARISH
>> <210C94D481464E49B2068CC35380C29B.jpg>
>> <3D2D08D9713E4546B26961A91A25C1CD.jpg>
>> CAPPAGH PARISH
>> 
>> <0663790870DF433A9015EA46D949EC99.jpg>
>> <9C17DB8B4C624E54B06E7B01ED347F75.jpg>
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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>> From: Sue Worachek
>> Sent: Monday, 2 September 2019 3:38 AM
>> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
>> Cc: Len Swindley
>> Subject: Hanlin/Presbyterian/Protestant churches in Omagh 1742-1792
>>  
>> Does anyone know what churches were in existence in Omagh, County Tyrone 
>> from 1742-1792? We will be in Omagh in 4 days and I will be at PRONI trying 
>> to find more info on Alexander Hanlin who was born there in 1743, married 
>> Nancy Stewart (also from Omagh) and died in 1791. She left in 1792 with her 
>> children for America. Please help me with any clues of where to find more 
>> information.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Sue
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2019, at 5:05 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good luck with that Peggy and yes, these images are available via the LDS. 
>> It is useful to look at the acreage of the holdings; if they are of a 
>> similar size, it indicates that the original farm was divided indicating 
>> those recorded as possibly father and/or sons/ brothers; this will be 
>> confirmed if the properties adjoin.
>>  
>> Len
>>  
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Hanlin/Presbyterian/Protestant churches in Omagh 1742-1792

[Sue Worachek via CoTyroneList]

Does anyone know what churches were in existence in Omagh, County Tyrone from 
1742-1792? We will be in Omagh in 4 days and I will be at PRONI trying to find 
more info on Alexander Hanlin who was born there in 1743, married Nancy Stewart 
(also from Omagh) and died in 1791. She left in 1792 with her children for 
America. Please help me with any clues of where to find more information.

Thanks,
Sue

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> On Aug 31, 2019, at 5:05 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good luck with that Peggy and yes, these images are available via the LDS. It 
> is useful to look at the acreage of the holdings; if they are of a similar 
> size, it indicates that the original farm was divided indicating those 
> recorded as possibly father and/or sons/ brothers; this will be confirmed if 
> the properties adjoin.
>  
> Len
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Peggy Gordon 
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 9:49:55 AM
> To: CoTyroneIreland. com Mailing List ; Len 
> Swindley 
> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Tithe applotment indices list Kilsally
>  
> 
> Thank you Len for this information and especially for the film number. When I 
> tried to locate the records on Family Search under the Ireland Tithe 
> Applotment Book, the correct Duffins did not come up. When I used the film 
> number, I found the correct collection, however, I have to go to the nearest 
> Family History Centre to view them, which isn't open until Tuesday. Online, 
> you just see blank images.
> Peggy
> On Friday, August 30, 2019, 06:18:45 a.m. PDT, Len Swindley 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Peggy,
> 
>  
> 
> The 1826 Ballyclog Tithe Applotment Book was filmed by the LDS back in the 
> 1970s. The film has been digitised and is available for consultation online 
> at any Family History Centre or affiliated library. The Familysearch film 
> number is 258446; it is the first item on the film which makes searching 
> quite simple. A tithe book will not indicate the length of a lease: that 
> information would be recorded in the estate’s lease books. You could refer to 
> online c1860 Griffiths Valuation and continue with the online Revision Books 
> https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/searching-valuation-revision-books
> 
> Good luck.
> 
>  
> 
> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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>  
> 
> From: CoTyroneList  on behalf of 
> Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList 
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 8:29:26 PM
> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
> Cc: Peggy Gordon 
> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Tithe applotment indices list Kilsally
>  
> I have found the names of four Duffin males on the Tithe Applotment indices 
> list for Kilsally Townland, Ballyclog Parish in 1826. They are James, Mark, 
> David, and Patrick and all four names appear on my family tree. Is there a 
> way to find out exactly which piece of land each of them owned or leased? I 
> would like to know the location and the size of the land.  Is there a way to 
> find out how long each of them was on their piece of land?
> Thanks for your help.
> Peggy
> 
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Londonderry Ship Manifests

[Sue Worachek via CoTyroneList]

I just went to the ulsterancestry.com  page under 
free pages, and almost every link that I clicked said “access denied”.
What do I need to do?

Sue

> On Aug 7, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Rob Doragh via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Look at the freepages on ulsterancestry.com  
> Other useful sites are https://www.immigrantships.net/ 
>  and 
> https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml 
> 
> 
> It was much later in the 19th century before ships had provide passenger 
> manifests for leaving the UK.
> 
> Rob Doragh
> 
> Liverpool UK
> 
> From: CoTyroneList  on behalf of 
> David Prater via CoTyroneList 
> Sent: 07 August 2019 17:14
> To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com 
> Cc: David Prater 
> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Londonderry Ship Manifests
>  
> Hello,
> 
> Two of my County Tyrone Irish relatives sailed from Londonderry to America.  
> John McDevitt left in May 1816 and sailed into New York City.  While 
> Alexander Gallagher and his wife, Mary McDevitt Gallagher, left in July 1820 
> and sailed into Philadelphia.
> 
> Is there any chance of determining the name of the ships they sailed on, why 
> they left or who paid their passage?
> 
> - David Prater
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Alexander Hanlin (Hanlon)

[Sue Worachek via CoTyroneList]

Thanks for replying, Kathleen. Where would I search for online burial 
information? 

I looked at the catalogue for PRONI and only found a handful of churches that 
would cover that time period (1741-1791). Does PRONI have other records besides 
church records?

So…since the records for Alexander Hanlin show that he was born, married, and 
died in Omagh, County Tyrone…that would mean he was in Omagh, correct?
The part that confuses me is that the O’Hanlon’s in the 1600’s seem to be 
pretty prominant in Armagh. I am guessing that maybe Alexander and his family 
may have moved from Armagh to Omagh…

What area is particularly beautiful and quaint? Are there towns that still have 
thatched roof houses?

Sue

> On Jul 26, 2019, at 12:54 PM, K Cooper via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ditto what Dave said. And BEFORE you go to PRONI - meaning today - become 
> familiar with the catalogue and what might be available both on film and 
> physically in their collection. You will be overwhelmed if you don't and 
> leave disappointed. 
> 
> Have you searched available online burial information for the area? You might 
> find a place name by locating others with the same name. 
> 
> Omagh has never been anywhere else than Tyrone to my knowledge - you can find 
> old maps that call it " Omey." 
> 
> If you do pin down where they lived before you go, plan on spending as much 
> time as you can there. You will find that being there is worth more and a 
> line of breadcrumbs might lead you hither and yon following clues.
> 
> Be aware that the timeframe you are searching is very difficult, so enjoy the 
> area as much as you can - it is beautiful and the people are wonderful. 
> 
> Kathleen
> 
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 5:41 AM dm60--- via CoTyroneList 
> mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
> wrote:
> Hi Sue 
> 
> Ulster Folk Park near Omagh, co. Tyrone -- highly recommended! 
> 
> Regards 
> 
> Dave Mitchell 
> Cape Town 
> South Africa 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: "Sue Worachek via CoTyroneList"  <mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
> To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com 
> <mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> 
> Cc: "Sue Worachek" mailto:sworac...@gmail.com>> 
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 02:07:39 PM 
> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Alexander Hanlin (Hanlon) 
> 
> Hi, 
> We will be leaving for Ireland soon, and I would like to visit places where 
> my ancestors might have been and also gather more information. I know that my 
> line goes back to Alexander Hanlin, who was born in 1741 in Tyrone County, 
> married Nancy Stewart in 1761, had 7 children, and died in 1791. His wife 
> left in 1792 for America with all 7 children and they settled in 
> Pennsylvania. 
> 
> I would live to find some church records, ship passenger lists, etc to find 
> out more about him. I have information about the Hanlin clan that goes to the 
> 1600’s, including the famous Redmon O’Hanlon, but nothing with a direct link 
> to Alexander. I would love to find out who his parents were and exactly what 
> part of Tyrone County he lived in and where he might have gone to church. I 
> am assuming that they were Protestant, since that is what they were when they 
> came to America. I am also confused about whether he was from Omagh or 
> Armagh. The records say Omagh, Tyrone County, but the Hanlin clan I believe 
> was from Armagh. Was Armagh in County Tyrone back then? 
> 
> I plan to visit PRONI when we are in Northern Ireland and possibly the Mellon 
> Center for Migration Studies. Can you shed any light on where to find more 
> information on Alexander Hanlin and/or on places to contact or visit when we 
> are in Ireland? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Sue 
> 
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Alexander Hanlin (Hanlon)

[Sue Worachek via CoTyroneList]

Darlene,
That would be wonderful. By even more of a coincidence, I am just starting to 
research the Milligans (grandfather’s family), who I have traced back to a 
George Milligan, who was from Ireland and came to America sometime around the 
Revolutionary War. He was from the Ulster region of Ireland and settled in the 
Washington County, Pennsylvania area in the US. Could he somehow be related to 
the Mulligan’s from your family?

Sue

> On Jul 26, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Darlene Mulligan via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Sue!
> 
> I am on the same journey as you, with my ADAMS ancestors being from OMAGH.   
> I just don’t know the parish area they were in - which is something I keep 
> hitting a brick wall for.We just returned from our trip to Ireland two 
> weeks ago, and visited Omagh and the surrounding areas, as well as touring 
> around the perimeter of the island over a two week period.
> 
> The reason I am writing however, is because I MIGHT have a connection for 
> you, and with your permission I would like to forward your letter to a family 
> friend.   Their family name is O’Hanlon, and they are in fact descendants of 
> O’Hanlon’s from ARMAGH.
> 
> It’s a small world, and perhaps they might be able to provide you with some 
> information?  I don’t know what information they have, but I do know they 
> still have family in Ireland and have gone to visit in Armagh a few times so 
> there may be a chance they are related!.  
> 
> I will ask our friends if I may share their contact information, and perhaps 
> we can find a way to get you to connect directly with them.   They live in 
> Brampton, Ontario (Canada)
> 
> Fingers crossed that this may lead somewhere for you!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Darlene
> 
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Alexander Hanlin (Hanlon)

[Sue Worachek via CoTyroneList]

Hi,
We will be leaving for Ireland soon, and I would like to visit places where my 
ancestors might have been and also gather more information. I know that my line 
goes back to Alexander Hanlin, who was born in 1741 in Tyrone County, married 
Nancy Stewart in 1761, had 7 children, and died in 1791. His wife left in 1792 
for America with all 7 children and they settled in Pennsylvania.

I would live to find some church records, ship passenger lists, etc to find out 
more about him. I have information about the Hanlin clan that goes to the 
1600’s, including the famous Redmon O’Hanlon, but nothing with a direct link to 
Alexander. I would love to find out who his parents were and exactly what part 
of Tyrone County he lived in and where he might have gone to church. I am 
assuming that they were Protestant, since that is what they were when they came 
to America. I am also confused about whether he was from Omagh or Armagh. The 
records say Omagh, Tyrone County, but the Hanlin clan I believe was from 
Armagh. Was Armagh in County Tyrone back then?

I plan to visit PRONI when we are in Northern Ireland and possibly the Mellon 
Center for Migration Studies. Can you shed any light on where to find more 
information on Alexander Hanlin and/or on places to contact or visit when we 
are in Ireland?

Thanks,
Sue

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records

[Sue Worachek via CoTyroneList]

Does anyone have anything on Alexander Hanlon  (born 1741) or Nancy Stewart, 
both from County Tyrone? How about the sons of Redmon O’Hanlon, the famous 
rapparree?

Sue

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> On Apr 6, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Marion,
>  
> I cannot recall sending you the Bishopric of Derry Estate details, but I 
> guess I did. The data would have been extracted from William Roulston’s 
> essential research tool RESEARCHING ULSTER ANCESTORS 1600-1800 (2edn 
> edn.,2018) Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast.
>  
> Pre 1800 rentals and leases and call numbers are:
> Derry Bishopric Estate, all parishes in the diocese of Derry
> Rentals 1617, 1688, 1708, 1719 - D/683/31, 275, 278, 287
> Leases of the see of Derry c. 1696 - D/683/240
> Lease rents of the see of Derry 1718 D683/286
> Rental of lands belonging to the bishopric to be let in Clonleigh parish 1790 
> - D2798/3/59
>  
> Hope this works for you,
> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
>  
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Marion via CoTyroneList
> Sent: Friday, 5 April 2019 11:29 PM
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> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records
>  
>  
> Hello all, but Len Swindley in particular,
> Last November Len answered a query I made about these records and was very 
> helpful in giving me the information that they were at Proni and the details 
> of what they included. I have been planning my next trip to Proni and 
> searching the e catalogue for reference numbers for these records but I have 
> been unsuccessful. Can you, Len, or anyone else, tell me what I am doing 
> wrong and how I can find this information.
> Regards Marion Shephard
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records

[Sue Worachek via CoTyroneList]

Where is Proni?

Sue

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> On Apr 5, 2019, at 9:05 AM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList 
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> Marion,
> 
> You are probably after the guide to church records. It's on the PRONI website 
> but hidden away, so I have attached a copy for you. The staff in PRONI will 
> show you how to find the relevant microfilms etc, (Some of the records are in 
> paper format rather than microfilm). Take your passport or photo id with you 
> on your first visit to get a readers ticket. (Takes just a couple of minutes).
> 
> Elwyn
> 
> 
> From: Marion via CoTyroneList 
> To: CoTyroneIreland. com Mailing List  
> Cc: Marion 
> Sent: Friday, 5 April 2019, 13:29
> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records
> 
>  
> Hello all, but Len Swindley in particular,
> Last November Len answered a query I made about these records and was very 
> helpful in giving me the information that they were at Proni and the details 
> of what they included. I have been planning my next trip to Proni and 
> searching the e catalogue for reference numbers for these records but I have 
> been unsuccessful. Can you, Len, or anyone else, tell me what I am doing 
> wrong and how I can find this information.
> Regards Marion Shephard
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