Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

[Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList]

Hoping for some opinions here:
 
In the Kilskeery Parish 1826 Tithe Applotment listings, I find an Edward 
Morrison listed for Loughterush townland. 

Using the Atavus search engine (Edward Morrison, Loughterush), I first see a 
record of a birth of Edward Morrison to Edward and Isabella Morrison in 1795. 
This is exciting.

Looking at the search results farther down the page, I find a series of births 
to an Edward Morrow and wife Isabella (in Loughterush), ranging from 1781 to 
1789.Hmmm.

Going back to the Kilskeery Tithe Applotment listings, there are three Morrows 
listed (no Edwards), and none of them are in Loughterush.

I'm wondering: is it likely that there is a transcription error here?

I would greatly appreciate any opinions here.

Thanks!

 


Rick Smoll
 


 
 
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Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn
 
Len Swindley
 
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Rick,



In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) 
were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of 
arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, 
which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of 
England.”
 
We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those 
instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of 
every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of 
Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest 
to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in 
the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in 
Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If 
Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to 
show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep 
records..
 
I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t 
arrived in Kilskeery by 1630.
 
 
Elwyn



On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via 
CoTyroneList wrote:


Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt 
phonetically in the past.
 

The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon 
political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their 
homeland as a result of the 1641 
Rebellionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned 
once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry 
in 1689https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the 
forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived.

 
My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your 
forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish
Regards, Len Swindley
 
 
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From: Rick Smoll 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM
To: len_swind...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)
 

Thanks Len
I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de 
Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether this is 
an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you guess that my 
Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date? 
 
Thanks again
 


Rick Smoll
 


 
 
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There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered 
in the Town of Strabane:
 
Robert MORISON (sic)
David MORRISON

Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical 
Foundation)
 
Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh?

 
Hope this clarifies things,
 
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
 
 
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Thanks for your response and information!


Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records 
of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... 
only about 6 more to go!


Thanks again!







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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

[Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList]

Rick, I am a descendant of the Morrows from Armagh and unlikely to 
include the Morrows you mention. In your search, I would posit a typo(s) 
along the line somewhere. Many people at that time were not literate so 
others wrote down what they thought they heard. Irish accents and 
regional nuances would add to the confusion and blur the pronunciation.  
I've come across some weird mis-spellings. Take for instance, McBirth 
for McBeth - which was actually McBeath! then Harrow for O'Hara, also 
McCullough/McUllough/McCulough/McCulagh/McCullagh for the same family, 
and several others. It makes authentication a little more difficult, but 
one should always cross-check in any case. Be careful in drawing 
conclusions, as families tended to cluster in the same area and even 
name their offspring after a nearby relative, so take care, even some 
birth dates may be speculative as 1 January was too often used in place 
of the real date. Baptism and Christening dates are generally reliable. 
Cheers, Gordon



On 30/07/2018 2:31 AM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList wrote:

Hoping for some opinions here:
In the Kilskeery Parish 1826 Tithe Applotment listings, I find an 
Edward Morrison listed for Loughterush townland.
Using the Atavus search engine (Edward Morrison, Loughterush), I first 
see a record of a birth of Edward Morrison to Edward and Isabella 
Morrison in 1795. This is exciting.
Looking at the search results farther down the page, I find a series 
of births to an Edward /*Morrow*/ and wife Isabella (in Loughterush), 
ranging from 1781 to 1789.    Hmmm.
Going back to the Kilskeery Tithe Applotment listings, there are three 
Morrows listed (no Edwards), and none of them are in Loughterush.

I'm wondering: is it likely that there is a transcription error here?
I would greatly appreciate any opinions here.
Thanks!
Rick Smoll
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From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
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Cc: Len Swindley ; Elwyn Soutter 


Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 5:55 am
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland 
(kilskeery)


Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn
Len Swindley
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*Sent:* Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:32:58 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland 
(kilskeery)

Rick,

In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big 
landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times 
a convenient store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent 
number of men for their defence, which may be viewed and mustered 
every half year, according to the manner of England.”
We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed 
those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could 
contain a list of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The 
complete absence of Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 
2 in Strabane) would suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers 
at that time. There’s 329 of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone 
census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a 
lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If Morrisons were 
present in significant numbers then you would expect more to show in 
the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep 
records..
I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they 
hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630.

Elwyn

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
> wrote:


Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was
spelt phonetically in the past.
The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves
dependent upon political and religious conditions in Scotland.
Many settlers returned to their homeland as a result of the 1641
Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641
 but
returned once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the
Siege of Londonderry in 1689
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry
 and the defeat of
the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived.
My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date
of your forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish
Regards, Len Swindley
Sent from Mail 
for Windows 10

*From:* Rick Smoll mailto:rsmoll...@aim.com>>