Rick, I am a descendant of the Morrows from Armagh and unlikely to
include the Morrows you mention. In your search, I would posit a typo(s)
along the line somewhere. Many people at that time were not literate so
others wrote down what they thought they heard. Irish accents and
regional nuances would add to the confusion and blur the pronunciation.
I've come across some weird mis-spellings. Take for instance, McBirth
for McBeth - which was actually McBeath! then Harrow for O'Hara, also
McCullough/McUllough/McCulough/McCulagh/McCullagh for the same family,
and several others. It makes authentication a little more difficult, but
one should always cross-check in any case. Be careful in drawing
conclusions, as families tended to cluster in the same area and even
name their offspring after a nearby relative, so take care, even some
birth dates may be speculative as 1 January was too often used in place
of the real date. Baptism and Christening dates are generally reliable.
Cheers, Gordon
On 30/07/2018 2:31 AM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList wrote:
Hoping for some opinions here:
In the Kilskeery Parish 1826 Tithe Applotment listings, I find an
Edward Morrison listed for Loughterush townland.
Using the Atavus search engine (Edward Morrison, Loughterush), I first
see a record of a birth of Edward Morrison to Edward and Isabella
Morrison in 1795. This is exciting.
Looking at the search results farther down the page, I find a series
of births to an Edward /*Morrow*/ and wife Isabella (in Loughterush),
ranging from 1781 to 1789. Hmmm.
Going back to the Kilskeery Tithe Applotment listings, there are three
Morrows listed (no Edwards), and none of them are in Loughterush.
I'm wondering: is it likely that there is a transcription error here?
I would greatly appreciate any opinions here.
Thanks!
Rick Smoll
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Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn
Len Swindley
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Rick,
In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big
landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times
a convenient store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent
number of men for their defence, which may be viewed and mustered
every half year, according to the manner of England.”
We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed
those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could
contain a list of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The
complete absence of Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the
2 in Strabane) would suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers
at that time. There’s 329 of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone
census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a
lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If Morrisons were
present in significant numbers then you would expect more to show in
the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep
records..
I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they
hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630.
Elwyn
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
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Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was
spelt phonetically in the past.
The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves
dependent upon political and religious conditions in Scotland.
Many settlers returned to their homeland as a result of the 1641
Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641> but
returned once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the
Siege of Londonderry in 1689
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry> and the defeat of
the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived.
My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date
of your forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish
Regards, Len Swindley
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*Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush
townland (kilskeery)
Thanks Len
I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in
Barony de Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this
point whether this is an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your
experience, would you guess that my Morrisons came to Kilskeery at
a much later date?
Thanks again
Rick Smoll
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There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls,
both mustered in the Town of Strabane:
Robert MORISON (sic)
David MORRISON
Extracted from /Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630/ (Ulster
Historical Foundation)
Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh?
Hope this clarifies things,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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Thanks for your response and information!
Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching
for records of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way
back to the 1600s ... only about 6 more to go!
Thanks again!
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush
townland (kilskeery)
Rick,
There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland
as part of the Plantation and other population movements in the
1600s. All we really know are the names of the big tenants
(Undertakers) and where in Scotland they came from. But there are
no lists of the tenants that accompanied them.
However there are no Morrisons in the Kilskeery area in the 1630
Muster Rolls. That tends to suggest that your family may have
arrived in the area post 1630, either direct from Scotland or
perhaps having relocated from another part of Ulster, making it
trickier to identify their origins.
Elwyn
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList
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Hello All,
I was able to locate our ancestral farm in Loughterush (and
actually visited it last year), which was in the family up
until around 1970 when the last Morrison on it passed away. I
have traced ancestors on the farm back to James Morrison (for
whom I do not have a birth date, but was likely born around
1800). I have been assuming that our Morrisons originally came
from Scotland, but do not know when.
Can anyone point me to records that might give
specific information regarding individuals who came to this
specific townland (as part of the British planter/
colonization that occurred in the 16th-18th centuries)?
Thanks!
Rick Smoll
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