Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking
Let's hear it for you definition Randy! -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking
Let's hear it for you definition Randy! -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking
Re: clients vs. members. I would definitely agree on the philosophical distinction. Essentially,it's trying to tease out whether the space exists to build a community (members) or to earn a margin on real estate (clients). This is an important dichotomy, but it's also strictly false as we all exist on a sliding scale between these two extremes. I don't think we want to start to see client as a dirty word...at a nice restaurant the clients will be on a first-name basis with staff, have a special table, regular meal selections, and even Christmas cards in the mail (and may even be called patrons to distinguish the relationship), while at McDonald's clients are a mass of impersonal and transactional relationships. I find myself slipping interchangeably between terms when talking about The Office http://theoffice.rw, because as a coworking space manager and business manager I have to think both in terms of building and strengthening our community (membership) and in terms of making the numbers work and communicating with potential partners and investors (clients). When I'm thinking in terms of investment and expansion, I intellectual categorize members as clients...this is often sub-conscious and I used to even feel ashamed when I realized that I had done it, but I wonder if this is really such a horrible thing. Because, when I think about why I do what I do and the people I work with and for, I think of friends and members... What do you think? - Jon On Friday, 12 September 2014 13:15:23 UTC+2, Alex Hillman wrote: In my opinion a coworking space -- being a *community* of coworkers -- always calls and treats its coworkers *members*. I like this one a lot!! -Alex -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Coworking] Re: Getting rid of the co-working hyphen
I haven't heard any movement on it but I'd love to see us take another stab at it. Lauren, our newest employee, had some great ideas on what we could do to grease the skids for the AP but she's only worked here one week so she may need some time to settle in. :) Sometimes you just have to let it go. For the NYTimes article on the Coworking Visa recently I went to bat just like you did and got a similar response. Funny though they did not hyphenate Coworking Visa as that is a name of a program but they did hyphenate the word everywhere else in the article. Jacob --- Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM, oren.salo...@gmail.com oren.salo...@gmail.com wrote: There hasn't been any movement on this in 3 years. Anyone have an update? Liz? Alex? Tony? Jacob? Anybody? I had no idea how bad this issue was. I encountered this today with some press being written on Fort Work in the Dallas media today. When I saw the article posted, I saw a few misquotes about coworking statistics as well as the misspelling of coworking (hyphen included, not the cowering autocorrect). When I requested that both be corrected, the writer told me she could change (or omit) the quotes, but that AP style guides forbid her from changing the spelling of coworking. Here's her actual response (C+P'ed below): Hi Oren, I’ll take a look at the microsite — thank you! I’ll also rework your quote, or take it out entirely to make to correct the statement. On the word co-working, this is an AP style that’s out of our control. Again, I’ll take a look at the details first thing in the morning and will make the changes immediately. Thank for the email. I really appreciate it. Take care, On Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:29:20 AM UTC-5, sop...@deskwanted.com wrote: Hi everyone, For a while now we've been annoyed about the resurgence in the use of the hyphenated version of the word coworking. As you all know, most major media outlets these days write it as co-working. Deskmag recently published an article explaining why this is happening: it's because the AP Stylebook has decided that co-working is the correct form. However, we'd like to ask for your assistance in helping AP change their minds! We've put out a call for people to bombard AP with the following tweet: @APStylebook #Coworking is not Co-working. It’s an independent movement that doesn’t want to be separated by a hyphen! For a backgrounder on why we think the word should be without a hyphen, have a read of the article: http://www.deskmag.com/en/ coworking-or-co-working-with-hyphen-252 What do you all think? I know this is an old issue, but it's important to get the name right, right? Sophie Deskmag/Deskwanted -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Coworking] Re: Getting rid of the co-working hyphen
they did not hyphenate Coworking Visa as that is a name of a program but they did hyphenate the word everywhere else in the article. This illustrates the issue perfectly. If Brad had invented something that sounded more proprietary, like Bradworking, then there'd be no issue. But by calling it something so simple that anyone who saw it could immediately understand what it was, he made something that could more easily blossom into a global movement. The fact that neither he nor anyone else retained control over the word further allowed for that blossoming, but at a cost. If there's no authority on the word, issues like this become difficult to overcome. The only way I could see us making headway would be if some subset of us formed a sufficiently powerful coalition that could wield some kind of authority over the word, without violating the decentralized spirit of the movement. *--- + Personal: twitter http://twitter.com/tonybgoode * fb http://facebook.com/tonybacigalupo * linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybacigalupo+ Projects: NWC http://nwc.co/ * Bossless http://bossless.co/ * Meetup http://meetup.com/coworking-nyc * NYTM http://nytm.org/+ Recent posts: Quarantining new ideas for monthly review http://happymonster.co/2014/08/20/quarantining-new-ideas-for-monthly-review/ * Routine challenges http://happymonster.co/2014/08/14/routine-challenges/ * Act IV http://happymonster.co/2014/08/08/act-iv/* *+ Currently reading: Nonviolent Communication http://amzn.to/1sBVeoR * Passages http://amzn.to/1p8rNai * Work http://amzn.to/1utpc0l* *+ Travel plans: NYC now-9/11 * Boulder 9/11-9/18 * Seattle 9/18-23 * NYC 9/24-Mid-October+ Help: I'm looking for a fab 1BR in south Brooklyn. Let me know if you have any leads!+ Upcoming: IndieCon NYC 2014 NWC's sixth anniversary party. http://indiecon2.eventbrite.com Join!* On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Jacob Sayles ja...@officenomads.com wrote: I haven't heard any movement on it but I'd love to see us take another stab at it. Lauren, our newest employee, had some great ideas on what we could do to grease the skids for the AP but she's only worked here one week so she may need some time to settle in. :) Sometimes you just have to let it go. For the NYTimes article on the Coworking Visa recently I went to bat just like you did and got a similar response. Funny though they did not hyphenate Coworking Visa as that is a name of a program but they did hyphenate the word everywhere else in the article. Jacob --- Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM, oren.salo...@gmail.com oren.salo...@gmail.com wrote: There hasn't been any movement on this in 3 years. Anyone have an update? Liz? Alex? Tony? Jacob? Anybody? I had no idea how bad this issue was. I encountered this today with some press being written on Fort Work in the Dallas media today. When I saw the article posted, I saw a few misquotes about coworking statistics as well as the misspelling of coworking (hyphen included, not the cowering autocorrect). When I requested that both be corrected, the writer told me she could change (or omit) the quotes, but that AP style guides forbid her from changing the spelling of coworking. Here's her actual response (C+P'ed below): Hi Oren, I'll take a look at the microsite -- thank you! I'll also rework your quote, or take it out entirely to make to correct the statement. On the word co-working, this is an AP style that's out of our control. Again, I'll take a look at the details first thing in the morning and will make the changes immediately. Thank for the email. I really appreciate it. Take care, On Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:29:20 AM UTC-5, sop...@deskwanted.com wrote: Hi everyone, For a while now we've been annoyed about the resurgence in the use of the hyphenated version of the word coworking. As you all know, most major media outlets these days write it as co-working. Deskmag recently published an article explaining why this is happening: it's because the AP Stylebook has decided that co-working is the correct form. However, we'd like to ask for your assistance in helping AP change their minds! We've put out a call for people to bombard AP with the following tweet: @APStylebook #Coworking is not Co-working. It's an independent movement that doesn't want to be separated by a hyphen! For a backgrounder on why we think the word should be without a hyphen, have a read of the article: http://www.deskmag.com/en/ coworking-or-co-working-with-hyphen-252 What do you all think? I know this is an old issue, but it's important to get the name right, right? Sophie Deskmag/Deskwanted -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
Re: [Coworking] Re: Getting rid of the co-working hyphen
Sounds like something Open Coworking could undertake if y'all aren't opposed. After all we do already operate coworking.com and coworking.org. I think the first order of business is figuring out who makes this call. Does anyone have any place where to start on discovering who's in charge here? On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:28:16 PM UTC-5, Tony Bacigalupo wrote: they did not hyphenate Coworking Visa as that is a name of a program but they did hyphenate the word everywhere else in the article. This illustrates the issue perfectly. If Brad had invented something that sounded more proprietary, like Bradworking, then there'd be no issue. But by calling it something so simple that anyone who saw it could immediately understand what it was, he made something that could more easily blossom into a global movement. The fact that neither he nor anyone else retained control over the word further allowed for that blossoming, but at a cost. If there's no authority on the word, issues like this become difficult to overcome. The only way I could see us making headway would be if some subset of us formed a sufficiently powerful coalition that could wield some kind of authority over the word, without violating the decentralized spirit of the movement. *--- + Personal: twitter http://twitter.com/tonybgoode • fb http://facebook.com/tonybacigalupo • linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybacigalupo+ Projects: NWC http://nwc.co/ • Bossless http://bossless.co/ • Meetup http://meetup.com/coworking-nyc • NYTM http://nytm.org/+ Recent posts: Quarantining new ideas for monthly review http://happymonster.co/2014/08/20/quarantining-new-ideas-for-monthly-review/ • Routine challenges http://happymonster.co/2014/08/14/routine-challenges/ • Act IV http://happymonster.co/2014/08/08/act-iv/* *+ Currently reading: Nonviolent Communication http://amzn.to/1sBVeoR • Passages http://amzn.to/1p8rNai • Work http://amzn.to/1utpc0l* *+ Travel plans: NYC now-9/11 • Boulder 9/11-9/18 • Seattle 9/18-23 • NYC 9/24-Mid-October+ Help: I'm looking for a fab 1BR in south Brooklyn. Let me know if you have any leads!+ Upcoming: IndieCon NYC 2014 NWC's sixth anniversary party. http://indiecon2.eventbrite.com Join!* On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Jacob Sayles ja...@officenomads.com javascript: wrote: I haven't heard any movement on it but I'd love to see us take another stab at it. Lauren, our newest employee, had some great ideas on what we could do to grease the skids for the AP but she's only worked here one week so she may need some time to settle in. :) Sometimes you just have to let it go. For the NYTimes article on the Coworking Visa recently I went to bat just like you did and got a similar response. Funny though they did not hyphenate Coworking Visa as that is a name of a program but they did hyphenate the word everywhere else in the article. Jacob --- Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM, oren.s...@gmail.com javascript: oren.s...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: There hasn't been any movement on this in 3 years. Anyone have an update? Liz? Alex? Tony? Jacob? Anybody? I had no idea how bad this issue was. I encountered this today with some press being written on Fort Work in the Dallas media today. When I saw the article posted, I saw a few misquotes about coworking statistics as well as the misspelling of coworking (hyphen included, not the cowering autocorrect). When I requested that both be corrected, the writer told me she could change (or omit) the quotes, but that AP style guides forbid her from changing the spelling of coworking. Here's her actual response (C+P'ed below): Hi Oren, I’ll take a look at the microsite — thank you! I’ll also rework your quote, or take it out entirely to make to correct the statement. On the word co-working, this is an AP style that’s out of our control. Again, I’ll take a look at the details first thing in the morning and will make the changes immediately. Thank for the email. I really appreciate it. Take care, On Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:29:20 AM UTC-5, sop...@deskwanted.com wrote: Hi everyone, For a while now we've been annoyed about the resurgence in the use of the hyphenated version of the word coworking. As you all know, most major media outlets these days write it as co-working. Deskmag recently published an article explaining why this is happening: it's because the AP Stylebook has decided that co-working is the correct form. However, we'd like to ask for your assistance in helping AP change their minds! We've put out a call for people to bombard AP with the following tweet: @APStylebook #Coworking is not Co-working. It’s an independent movement that doesn’t want to be separated by a hyphen! For a backgrounder on why we
Re: [Coworking] Re: Getting rid of the co-working hyphen
I asked a professional editor friend of mine and this is what she had to say: I think usually the style guides follow the dictionary, and the dictionary is descriptive, not prescriptive. I just had Roma check Webster's, and she says there's no entry for coworking, just coworker, which of course means something different. I wonder if AP is inserting the hyphen in order to distinguish our kind of coworking from this other use? Speaking of descriptive instead of prescriptive. Google reports over 7 million uses of coworking but only about 800,000 of co-working, and 1.8 million hits of coworking space to co-working space. That's the kind of data that should convince the style wonks. They may have a policy on use of co- words generally that overrides when there's no entry in the dictionary. My guess is that getting a dictionary entry will be easier than convincing AP. The style guides will follow. Aaron Cruikshank Principal, CRUIKSHANK phone: 778.908.4560 e-mail: aa...@cruikshank.me web: cruikshank.me http://www.cruikshank.me twitter: @cruikshank https://twitter.com/cruikshank book a meeting: doodle.com/cruikshank http://www.doodle.com/cruikshank linkedin: in/cruikshank http://www.linkedin.com/in/cruikshank On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM, oren.salo...@gmail.com oren.salo...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like something Open Coworking could undertake if y'all aren't opposed. After all we do already operate coworking.com and coworking.org. I think the first order of business is figuring out who makes this call. Does anyone have any place where to start on discovering who's in charge here? On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:28:16 PM UTC-5, Tony Bacigalupo wrote: they did not hyphenate Coworking Visa as that is a name of a program but they did hyphenate the word everywhere else in the article. This illustrates the issue perfectly. If Brad had invented something that sounded more proprietary, like Bradworking, then there'd be no issue. But by calling it something so simple that anyone who saw it could immediately understand what it was, he made something that could more easily blossom into a global movement. The fact that neither he nor anyone else retained control over the word further allowed for that blossoming, but at a cost. If there's no authority on the word, issues like this become difficult to overcome. The only way I could see us making headway would be if some subset of us formed a sufficiently powerful coalition that could wield some kind of authority over the word, without violating the decentralized spirit of the movement. *--- + Personal: twitter http://twitter.com/tonybgoode • fb http://facebook.com/tonybacigalupo • linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybacigalupo+ Projects: NWC http://nwc.co/ • Bossless http://bossless.co/ • Meetup http://meetup.com/coworking-nyc • NYTM http://nytm.org/+ Recent posts: Quarantining new ideas for monthly review http://happymonster.co/2014/08/20/quarantining-new-ideas-for-monthly-review/ • Routine challenges http://happymonster.co/2014/08/14/routine-challenges/ • Act IV http://happymonster.co/2014/08/08/act-iv/* *+ Currently reading: Nonviolent Communication http://amzn.to/1sBVeoR • Passages http://amzn.to/1p8rNai • Work http://amzn.to/1utpc0l* *+ Travel plans: NYC now-9/11 • Boulder 9/11-9/18 • Seattle 9/18-23 • NYC 9/24-Mid-October+ Help: I'm looking for a fab 1BR in south Brooklyn. Let me know if you have any leads!+ Upcoming: IndieCon NYC 2014 NWC's sixth anniversary party. http://indiecon2.eventbrite.com Join!* On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Jacob Sayles ja...@officenomads.com wrote: I haven't heard any movement on it but I'd love to see us take another stab at it. Lauren, our newest employee, had some great ideas on what we could do to grease the skids for the AP but she's only worked here one week so she may need some time to settle in. :) Sometimes you just have to let it go. For the NYTimes article on the Coworking Visa recently I went to bat just like you did and got a similar response. Funny though they did not hyphenate Coworking Visa as that is a name of a program but they did hyphenate the word everywhere else in the article. Jacob --- Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM, oren.s...@gmail.com oren.s...@gmail.com wrote: There hasn't been any movement on this in 3 years. Anyone have an update? Liz? Alex? Tony? Jacob? Anybody? I had no idea how bad this issue was. I encountered this today with some press being written on Fort Work in the Dallas media today. When I saw the article posted, I saw a few misquotes about coworking statistics as well as the misspelling of coworking (hyphen included, not the cowering autocorrect). When I requested that both be corrected, the writer told me she could change (or omit) the quotes, but that AP style guides forbid her from
[Coworking] Coworking as summer camp?
At Collective Agency in Portland Oregon we're starting to look at vision and values again, we update every now and then. I'm trying to find an overall metaphor/unifying theme of what most members want -- in the past it was cozy fireplace (which worked great for years) and small democratic city (which could have worked but didn't totally work), but we're outgrowing those for something even better. Part of what I'm trying to figure out is: when someone leaves or quits or chooses not to be there anymore, what is the metaphor (how do you tell people in a way that makes them want to be here even more, or at least not any less, or how do you think of it/feel about someone not being there who used to be)? Recently we had something that seemed like a summer camp reunion, with some past members, current members, recently joined members, everybody seemed happy to see each other. http://collectiveagency.co/2014/09/16/chapman-swifts/ I'm wondering if summer camp is a theme that might work for a co-working place, and if anyone here has thought about it, what works about it as a metaphor, what doesn't work. We have optional activities, people each have ongoing program commitments which ideally they are passionate about and committed to, people make friends who ideally they hang out with here and outside of here, etc. Differences from summer camp: it's year-round, people are paying for themselves, and they live nearby. Are there any other differences? Personal values that members have expressed a desire for (that we love having here and want even more of) include: friendships, laughter, expressing appreciation, inspiration, learning. Does anyone know any vision statements of summer camps? Also, I'm starting to put together a booklet of improv games for members and staff to organize activities such as lunch and thinking about doing sales. Has anyone done a games format to coworking (or community organizing or project management)? Thanks, Alex -- Alex Linsker Collective Agency's Community Organizer / Proprietor (503) 517-6900 http://collectiveagency.co Tax and Conversation's Statewide Community Organizer (503) 517-6904 taxandconversation.com (503) 369-9174 mobile (503) 517-6901 fax 322 NW Sixth Ave, Suite 200, Portland, Oregon 97209 -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Coworking] Coworking as summer camp?
I don't know of a particular summer camp vision statements, but I've had several of our members describe their experience/impressions this way (each one qualifying, in the best way possible). They described a bit more detail, including the generational aspect of the community (the seniors the freshmen, anybody?). The welcomingness and comradery, the support to be daring and try new things, the sharing of stories and experiences. So I don't have much to add except, I'm with you (and our members are with you) on the comparison. :) Excited to see how this thread unfolds. -Alex P.s. Two out of three of our staff members are improv vets. I don't consider this a coincidence and I think it will become part of our training going forward. -- /ah indyhall.org On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Alex Linsker alexlins...@gmail.com wrote: At Collective Agency in Portland Oregon we're starting to look at vision and values again, we update every now and then. I'm trying to find an overall metaphor/unifying theme of what most members want -- in the past it was cozy fireplace (which worked great for years) and small democratic city (which could have worked but didn't totally work), but we're outgrowing those for something even better. Part of what I'm trying to figure out is: when someone leaves or quits or chooses not to be there anymore, what is the metaphor (how do you tell people in a way that makes them want to be here even more, or at least not any less, or how do you think of it/feel about someone not being there who used to be)? Recently we had something that seemed like a summer camp reunion, with some past members, current members, recently joined members, everybody seemed happy to see each other. http://collectiveagency.co/2014/09/16/chapman-swifts/ I'm wondering if summer camp is a theme that might work for a co-working place, and if anyone here has thought about it, what works about it as a metaphor, what doesn't work. We have optional activities, people each have ongoing program commitments which ideally they are passionate about and committed to, people make friends who ideally they hang out with here and outside of here, etc. Differences from summer camp: it's year-round, people are paying for themselves, and they live nearby. Are there any other differences? Personal values that members have expressed a desire for (that we love having here and want even more of) include: friendships, laughter, expressing appreciation, inspiration, learning. Does anyone know any vision statements of summer camps? Also, I'm starting to put together a booklet of improv games for members and staff to organize activities such as lunch and thinking about doing sales. Has anyone done a games format to coworking (or community organizing or project management)? Thanks, Alex -- Alex Linsker Collective Agency's Community Organizer / Proprietor (503) 517-6900 http://collectiveagency.co Tax and Conversation's Statewide Community Organizer (503) 517-6904 taxandconversation.com (503) 369-9174 mobile (503) 517-6901 fax 322 NW Sixth Ave, Suite 200, Portland, Oregon 97209 -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
