Re: [Coworking] Wiki vandalism
Added you (Mark) as an editor. Also went and deleted a bunch of spam (there's likely loads more). Sigh. Chris On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Tara Hunt horsepig...@gmail.com wrote: Because I don't think he checks the google group every day, I'm cc'ing Chris Messina, who set up the wiki in the first place. Tara On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Mark McCorkle mccor...@devteam.orgwrote: I would also like to volunteer to assist in the wiki reverts and comment cleanups. ::Mark On May 14, 2010 6:46 PM, Steven Heath she...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 May 2010 02:33, Dossy Shiobara do...@panoptic.com wrote: It appears that the Coworking W... Until about month ago I was one of the people that would revert the spam edits. Due to work levels I have not done in changes for while. I agree that some admin functions should be shared as bots comments are annoying. -- Steven Heath Director, Foxbane Consulting Founder, AltSpace Cell: +64 21 706-067 www.foxbane.co.nz Level 22 Plimmer Towers 2 Gilmer Terrace Wellington AltSpace.co.nz - Shared office space in Wellington for home based workers, freelancers, or nimble companies -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. T... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to cowork...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcoworking%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. -- tara 'missrogue' hunt Company: Shwowp (http://www.shwowp.com) Book: The Whuffie Factor (http://www.thewhuffiefactor.com) Blog: HorsePigCow: Marketing Uncommon (http://horsepigcow.com) Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/missrogue phone: 514-679-2951 -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate, Google Personal: http://factoryjoe.com Follow me on Buzz: http://buzz.google.com/chrismessina ...or Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina This email is: [ ] shareable[X] ask first [ ] private -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to cowork...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en.
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Study
This sounds interesting, especially if you're willing to make the results *and your data* public. ;) To the best of my knowledge, there has not been an exhaustive research project done on coworking — but samples here and there — from both the academic and media worlds. Putting together some quantifiable stats on coworking itself — and how it's grown — would actually be very helpful, considering that when NPR asked me how big the community is, I was at a loss for providing them with any number based in fact! I'd also be interested in the qualitative reports from coworkers — looking for insight into how coworking has changed, and hopefully improved, their attitude towards work, productivity, and effectiveness. While I don't want to bias the outcomes of such a study, if one were performed, it would make my advocacy for coworking at the city, state, and municipal levels much easier. For example, I've had several conversations with the city of San Francisco about getting support for coworking spaces and they always express interest, but without demonstrating the benefits to small business or independents, little ends up resulting from that initiial interest. Chris On Feb 15, 10:29 am, sk...@emergentresearch.com sk...@emergentresearch.com wrote: Hi: My name is Steve King and I am a long time lurker and occasional poster on this group:). I'm a partner at a research firm - Emergent Research (www.emergentresearch.com) - that focuses on the small business sector of the US and global economy. We've been following coworking for several years and are thinking it might be time for a more formal study on this topic. I'm curious to see if the members of this group agree. What we are thinking of is: 1. A more in-depth look at the number of coworking facilities in the US today. We keep an informal count, but it is for directional purposes only and probably not too accurate. 2. A survey of coworking facility owners/managers focused on the size and scope (number of facility users, how often they visit, etc.) of the industry. 3. Possibly a survey of coworking facility users to see what they think. 4. Interviews with both coworking facility owners/managers and users. 5. Possibly a forecast of where this heading. We won't know if we can do this until we are farther along. If we go forward with this study, we would make our full results publically available. As you can tell, we are just starting to scope this study. Some questions I have for this group are: 1. Would this be useful and would you be willing to fill out our survey? 2. Is anyone else already doing this? No need to reinvent the wheel. 3. Do you have some suggestions as to what we might cover or include in the survey/research? Thanks for the help. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to cowork...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en.
[Coworking] Re: Community Acquisition of Coworking.com
Congratulations, Alex. Great work! There's clearly a desire among the coworking community to put in a stake in the ground and create something that more collectively represents the maturity (or maturing?) of the community! I think this initiative worked because it was 1) focused 2) had a deadline 3) resulted in a tangible outcome. Given that there's probably still people who would like to chip in, I wonder if you can't quickly look into hiring a contractor or company to build out the coworking.com website? Perhaps put out a limited RFP to the coworking community and then have the various proposals presented at SXSW and then voted on to quickly move things forward with the opportunity to raise a second amount of money to cover the costs of such a site? While I'm sure we/you could find volunteers to help, nothing motivates and catalyzes effort like positive income (i.e. cash) — and the Drupal community demonstrated that there can be a mix of open process, design leadership, and contracting out to arrive at a solution that hopefully many feel bought in to and works for the needs of a wide constituency. I also would caution against trying to create a massive or feature- rich site on coworking.com. I really like workatjelly.com for its straightforwardness and simplicity — and think that coworking.com should follow this model. Anyway, that's how I might proceed if I were in Alex's shoes — now that people have expressed an interest and committed to it with dollars — can we turn it into a secondary outcome that builds upon the initial success? Chris On Feb 15, 2:52 pm, Alex Hillman dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com wrote: WOW. In under 24 hours, we've raised pledges for over $9000. Over $6000 of that has been paid via paypal. *That said, I'm putting new sponsorships ON HOLD.* I think that we will be able to come up with new, shared value propositions to allow more spaces to find themselves sponsor links on the coworking.com homepage. If you feel like you missed out, PLEASE DON'T. This is NOT the end. It's only the beginning! I promise I won't be running off with your money :) If you've pledged, or attempted to fill out the form and did not pay via paypal at the end, I'll be sending you a paypal money request. I'd like to ask that pledges are paid by end of business day tomorrow. Once again, this has been incredible, and went much much much faster than I thought it would. I'm so proud of this community, and look forward to sharing the value of our new domain together! /ah indyhall.org coworking in philadelphia On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Alex Hillman dangerouslyawes...@gmail.comwrote: Awesome, Raines. Thanks for your support! I said this to Mike Schinkel, offline: This isn't buying a membership to an association. This is contributing to a specific cause, and being a sponsor. I think that we're on the path to form something more organic and accurately representative of what this community needs instead of bucketing it into a co-op or any other organization just because we know what that looks like. I think we're getting more organized, and there's no doubt about that...and I'm happy to lead the charge and have the community's support :) Hang tight, everybody. Talleying everything up now, in terms of pledges and actual payments. A few people have requested paypal invoices, they'll be coming shortly. -Alex /ah indyhall.org coworking in philadelphia On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Raines Cohen rain...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in. *Coworking Coaches* is now a $1K sponsor (*does that put us over the top? Don't stop the pledging*), and I'm looking forward to a collaborative process of building a sustainable, resilient virtual home base for the coworking movement. I consider my investment here a downpayment on building the community infrastructure and helping coworking stand on its own two feet as a peer with cohousing, worker/business cooperatives, incubators, and similar ventures -- to be celebrated, understood, and appreciated for its uniqueness but also for what it can share, in history, education, tools, and philosophy. Perhaps we can structure what we do as we build collective capacity and set up an organization so that after the domain is covered, others can step up in other ways to match the initial effort, for the work that follows. Raines Cohen, Coworking Coach http://www.CoworkingCoach.com/ *Planning for Sustainable Communities* (Berkeley, CA) Founding Member, Hub Bay Area http://BayArea.the-hub.net/ coworking for social entrepreneurs http://BayArea.the-hub.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to cowork...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcoworking%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com . For more options, visit
[Coworking] Upgraded the wiki
Hi all, Wanted to let you know that you should expect some changes on the coworking wiki. I've upgraded our account to a 2.0 PBWiki -- which not only is a bit better looking, but has a number of feature and security improvements. Chief among the improvements is that anyone should be able to edit the wiki as long as you sign up for a PBWiki account. I'll probably make some more tweaks to the overall architecture of the wiki in the coming weeks, but for now, the majority of the changes are complete. Do take a look and let us know what you think. If you run into any problems, PBWiki is interested to hear about them: http://pbwiki.com/help.php?wiki=coworking http://pbwiki.com/help.php?wiki=coworking Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large factoryjoe.com # diso-project.org citizenagency.com # vidoop.com This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Spam on the wiki
Been MIA for a while but wanted to just briefly mention that I cleaned up some spam on the Coworking Wiki homepage. The links pointed to (spaces added intentionally): http:// centrump2p. com/internet.html http:// www.allinoneforum. com/loans http:// www.careerleak. com/ In the wiki source code, one of the links looked like this: span style=font-size: 1pt; line-height: 115%a href=http:// www.allinoneforum.com/loansloansnbsp;forum/a /span We've seen a lot of spam like this on the BarCamp wiki, so expect more to show up on the Coworking wiki. Sadness. Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Microcoworking
This sounds a lot like Jelly, and I think it makes a lot of sense to have incremental levels of commitment along the path to a full time coworking space. Sounds like fun to me! Chris On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Todd Suomela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I attended a few of these sessions when I was in Ann Arbor last year and am friends with a number of the members. I've since moved away so I don't know how things have changed. The basic idea when I was there was to get together on a regular basis to talk and share ideas without the formal requirements of a shared space. From what I know of coworking, this seems like a common way to get things started in a particular community. I've been thinking about doing something similar in Minneapolis (my current home base) but haven't gotten that organized yet. I think that an informal approach to coworking, some method for creating ad-hoc communities of shared interest for temporary periods of time is an interesting challenge. Most of the discussions on this list in recent weeks have been about groups that have a permanent space. To me a permanent space is a commitment I can't make right now. So where does coworking fit then? Todd On Apr 4, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Hillary Hartley wrote: Sounds a bit like Jelly and a bit like a meetup. Looks like they have regular get-together dates. Does Ann Arbor have an actual coworking site? (/me goes to look at the wiki...) Jacob Sayles wrote: Just discovered this: http://microcoworking.com/ Anyone know these folks, or other creative approaches to coworking? Jacob -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: bongs and frat boys
Wow, that's pretty awesome. Except the bonehead male commentator. Heh. Still, does this mean we've arrived or jumped the shark? ;) Chris On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those of you who missed it, CNN did a piece on coworking today. the female anchor did a great job describing coworking. her co-anchor likened coworking to frat boys with a big bong listening to led zeppelin. julie blogged about it here-- there's a link to the video: http://blog.launchpadcoworking.com/2008/03/31/coworking-as-breaking-news/ spike www.launchpadcoworking.com -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: bongs and frat boys
Nice to see a wiki URL on CNN though! http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/2378331548/ ;) On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Tony Bacigalupo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just going to post something... the direct link to the CNN video is here: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2008/03/31/labarre.coworking.cnn?iref=videosearch Chris: I vote for we've arrived. When a tabloid writes up how Paris Hilton is coworking at a Starbucks, then we're screwed. Barring celebrity or giant conglomerate hijacking, I'd say it's all good :-) Has anyone seen any uptick in response? They sort of fudged the linking at the end; sounds like Polly wanted to point out some more links but ran out of time. On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, that's pretty awesome. Except the bonehead male commentator. Heh. Still, does this mean we've arrived or jumped the shark? ;) Chris On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those of you who missed it, CNN did a piece on coworking today. the female anchor did a great job describing coworking. her co-anchor likened coworking to frat boys with a big bong listening to led zeppelin. julie blogged about it here-- there's a link to the video: http://blog.launchpadcoworking.com/2008/03/31/coworking-as-breaking-news/ spike www.launchpadcoworking.com -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Ch-Ch-Change
We've never had too many people since we've been open. In some ways, this is why the reservation system proved to be unnecessary once we got underway. I was sure that having a reservation system would be necessary to assure people that they wouldn't be wasting their time if they showed up... turned out that we typically have 2-3 people most of the time, maybe up to 5, but rarely more than that. It could be because we don't do any promotion and people find out about us through the web or word or mouth, but it's just not been an issue. Now, *were* it to become an issue and we became insanely popular with 15-20 dropins showing up, that's different, but that would radically change our business, and make it worthwhile to invest in some kind of scheduling or charging scenario. One thing we've learned though, given how easy it is to build a custom Rails app these days, is to not prematurely optimize or to invest in behavior that may never materialize. It's almost as though you want to reach a pain threshold where you *must* take action... taking action in advance of something is a risk that a bootstrapped project probably should avoid, if only to limit wasting resources. Y'know? Now, that isn't to say that you *can't* build something like this, maybe to attract new folks, but we've seen personal connections and community tend to be *much* ways to build interest. Anyway...! ;) Chris On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone, some food for thought there. A few of the models you mention I hadn't heard of. I'm wondering though, how are you planning to manage overcrowding on some days? If you have no schedule or booking and people are free to drop by any day, some days you'll have too many people no? Most of us are not running at full capacity yet but it will come and I'm wondering if these loose systems will work as well. Not that hour banks will fix that but wetter we change systems or not, we plan on a booking site so people can confirm a desk before heading here. The bigger advantage you mention for the day or half day systems is less management which, again, I'm afraid will lead to too many people on some days. Patrick -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: making a new coworking blog
It might also be a good idea to go through and suggest geo-tags and other tags for photos in the group or that are already tagged on Flickr with coworking. It's always a good idea to redouble the investment in existing resources than to create new ones, even though creating new stuff seems more fun in the beginning! ;) Chris On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why I posted here, to grab $.02. I'll meta refresh it to flickr group this weekend, it's cool. Thanks for the replies! CH On Mar 6, 6:11 pm, David Moffitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with Tara - why does there need to be another single serving site to do what the flickr group already does? Maybe a blog post LINKING to the flickr group - that's about the extent I see necessary. Just my $.02... -dm On Mar 6, 2008, at 3:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure. I'm just submitting them as blog entries and being creative with tags/categories so it is easily search able by name or location. i don't want to clog up the community blog with snapshot blog entries? I could do a synopsis of the place as well though so it isn't just images, but relevant information like membership fees, allow drop-ins, etc., etc.. I could turn it from a just images snapshots to a coworking info snapshot of each place with all that information in one spot? CH On Mar 6, 11:12 am, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could feed the photos already gathered in the coworking Flickr group: http://flickr.com/groups/coworking Tara p.s. I'm kind of not into having yet another website to have stuff on...any way you could incorporate this into the current blog? Maybe a section? On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: taking inspiration from officesnapshots.com i thought it would be cool to start collecting all the images of the coworking spaces throughout the world. something to keep me busy while i try myself to open up a coworking place in des moines, ia. on that note, I just have one for now to test it out and see what you all think? If it is something you would like then i'll continue collecting images throughout the weekend from all the known coworking sites. if you have a space and no site or gallery then just send me an email with your space name, photos, any important links you want to show (map, google group, twitter, social media links, etc.). I just pulled the theme from wordpress, so nothing special there. i just wanted to get it up and running last night. Any suggestions/ additions you want, let me know and I'll try to plug it in. http://www.cwshots.com -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt coFounder Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog:www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Christian Science Monitor on Coworking
'Every morning, Mr. Neuberg set up tables and waited for coworkers. 'For the first two months, no one showed up, he says, laughing at his initial hubris. But people started trickling in and the word spread. Soon enough, he had started a movement.' Heh. Well, that's not how it happened, but it's nice prose. ;) Chris On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talk about historical revision! Still...any article promoting the movement is good. Tara On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At: http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0303/p13s03-wmgn.html Steve -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt coFounder Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Sonoma County Is Now SoCo Depot
This indeed looks awesome! Congrats! On Feb 13, 2008 1:50 PM, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First! Darn...Erica beat me to it! :) Anthony, this is awesome. I can't wait to come up for the opening! If you need anything at all, don't be afraid to ask. T On Feb 13, 2008 10:32 AM, Erica Douglass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations, Anthony! Your passion really came out when you were talking during the CoHopping tour. I know this means a lot to you, and I just wanted to be the first to say...Great Work! -Erica http://www.erica.biz/ On Feb 13, 2008 9:39 AM, ATusler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're almost there! The lease is signed for a 1,600 sq ft space in a funky, old building in downtown Penngrove. Move-in is scheduled for March 1. SoCo Depot, http://www.SoCoDepot.com, is at the Penngrove Station, 11790 Main St. Penngrove (a small town in southern Sonoma County). The building is an old, tin-clad, wooden building. Originally it was built to transfer chickens, eggs, milk, and other produce to freight cars going to San Francisco. It has also served as the depot, hence the name. The building is the perfect balance of funky with exposed beams, high ceilings, 80 year old wood floors with all new wiring, plumbing, and insulation. It's an newsroom-style open floor plan like CitizenSpace. There's a conference room, bathroom, and a space for making coffee and tea. It's right next to the community park and across from the post office and cafés. Right now we have five people and we're hoping for ten. With ten our monthly cost will be about $215 a month. Thank you so much to all the coworkers who came before us. I can't imagine how we would have done it without your experience, guidance, and support. Anthony -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt coFounder Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Meetup in Austin at SXSWi
Can we get this on Upcoming? Sweet! On Jan 21, 2008 4:00 PM, Alex Hillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woohoo! Thanks for hooking this up, Julie! -Alex On Jan 21, 2008 6:49 PM, Julie Gomoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone - There will be a Coworking Meetup in Austin during the SXSWi festival on Friday, March 7 at the fabulous Hotel San Jose. The San Jose is on South Congress, in the heart of cool. It's across the street from the legendary Continental Club, and easy walking distance from oodles of great restaurants. I'm sure looking forward to meeting a bunch of you! The sooner you can RSVP the better, of course, so we can let the San Jose know what to expect. More details as they emerge... best, Julie Gomoll http://launchpadcoworking.com -- - -- - Alex Hillman web.developer.innovation.consultant vocal: 484.597.6256 digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | skype: dangerouslyawesome visual: www.weknowhtml.com | www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Introduction
Hi Mariana, Are you familiar with how coworking works? I couldn't get a sense from your email where you're located or if you're looking for an existing space? Chris On Jan 9, 2008 12:35 AM, Mariana Nikolova [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo Everybody, My name is Mariana Nikolova and I'm interested in coworking in the fields of Internet Marketing, Human Resources and Business Consulting. Currently I'm involved in several projects and hope we can find common goals, participate in shared projects and work on getting our activities more popular and successful. You can contact me on may mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Mariana -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: anyone interest in Hong Kong?
Hi Andy, Welcome! Have you considered listing your space on the Coworking Wiki? http://wiki.coworking.info/SpaceOwner Chris On Jan 11, 2008 6:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am Andy. Have spent last few years in coffee shops in Hong Kong and China travelling with my notebook. I decided to rent a space in Hong Kong. I invited a few friends to my space and they love it! We started to share the space, pull in furniture and also projects that we can share/work together. After that, I learn about the term coworking and start to search it on Google. That why I am here. As a CPA, I work on financing consulting and Business Process Outsourcing. Specilized in logistics in HK and China. -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: crying babies?
I don't want to be taken the wrong way: I wouldn't suggest that childcare and coworking aren't compatible, but that it will vary space by space, and that, depending on your broader goals and ambitions, you may choose to put the extra work in to be more accommodating or not. I like Alex's suggestion to partner or locate near an existing childcare center as that seems to acknowledge the reality of parenthood if you expect to be serving an audience that will include parents, especially of young children. To overstate my point, I'm not just talking about childcare when I'm talking about thinking about goals... We could be debating plants, animals, food... The point is to be clear and honest with your desires and then act to support them, while being mindful that the marketplace will reveal opportunities (or demands) you'd not thought of. I would never say childcare is bad (or something to that effect) -- I'd be more interested in saying these are our goals, this is what fits in the context of our space, and here are external resources to support those whose needs might fall outside our original design. Chris On 1/9/08, Alex Hillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in personal agreement that having a crying baby would not only be distracting, but detract from the aspects of professionalism that we at least *try* to conduct, loose as they may be, at our office. I think the last time we talked about this, someone suggested when planning an office try to find a location near an existing, reputable childcare center and work out a deal where members of the space get a preferred rate. This is good for both businesses, and could be helpful for parents who want to check in on their child during the day. If you search the google group for childcare/daycare, I'm sure you'll find our previous discussion interesting and valuable. Cheers, Alex, IndyHall, Philadelphia On Jan 9, 2008 11:20 AM, Design ICU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just at the start of the process of getting something off the ground but, already, this has come up for me. It's a very touchy subject. I wonder if some of it is simply that people interpret the word 'coworking' differently. Down the road, I'm looking to set up a professional space with 6-8 regulars and a lot of drop-ins. A communal office for writers and designers/coders. Crying babies? No way. (And I have 2.5 year old so I'm fairly inured to the sound.) Others maybe see the word 'coworking' as something a little less office-like, maybe concentrating on the community aspect of things a bit too much. One suggestion has been to find a space with an extra room and work out a childcare arrangement. To be honest, this doesn't appeal to me at all. Getting a co-working space off the ground is going to be complex and onerous enough. Maybe it could be a Phase II sort of thing. Maybe we'll find a great space that's just perfect--but I wouldn't want to reject a good space on the basis that it didn't have a room for childcare. My feelings on the topic are probably going to alienate a lot of people but I agree with Chris that you can't be all things to all comers. -- - -- - Alex Hillman web.developer.innovation.consultant vocal: 484.597.6256 digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | skype: dangerouslyawesome visual: www.weknowhtml.com | www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: NYT Articles
Hey Steve, This is great and really interesting, and it's even better given that you have done the research to support these assertions. Could we turn this into a blog post for the Coworking blog? If you could send me your wordpress.com email address, I could add you as an author. Chris On Jan 5, 2008 11:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've done a lot of research and focus group work over the years with people who work from home. The groups have included both home business folks as well as corporate folks working from home. There are four consistent complaints we hear. These are, in order: (1.) loneliness; (2.) a feeling of being out of the loop. Interestingly enough even solo practioners express this feeling. They feel they are out of the loop related to clients and/or their industry. (3) lack of support and/or back up. This is a bit broader and includes having the right stuff, having good technical support, as well as having back up from a work standpoint. While independent workers express this concern, corporate employees generally are quite strong in complaining about this; and (4) procrastination, focus and distraction. Many feel it is hard to be productive from home. We first started looking at this back in the 80's when it was called telecommuting. The view at that time was almost all of us would be working from home and telecommuting by now. This, of course, didn't happen and the 4 major complaints back then are still the four major complaints today. But a lot has changed since the 80's. The Internet and related connective technologies have reduced loneliness and the feeling of being out of the loop. Home based technology has advanced to the point that home workers don't feel better supporedt. Corporations discovered they can save a ton of money by sending workers home, and outsourcing showed them they could manage distributed work. And of course, economic change has resulted in a lot more independent home workers. Procastination and distraction remain a major problem, but as people get used to working from home they often find they are more productive (I certainly am). All of this has resulted in greater acceptance of working from home, and greater numbers of home based workers. But one fundamental issue remains. Humans are social creatures and for most adults work provides both income and their major social support structure. When home workers are asked what they miss most about the office, the universal answer is the social environment. When asked if they would rather work in an office, most answer they would prefer to have an office but mostly work from home. People want the flexibility working from home provides, but also want the social and support infrastructure provided by offices. This is a major reason I think coworking facilities of all types are going to become increasingly common. Big companies will develop their own coworking facitlities by creating office hotels and worker drop in centers to provide home based employees an occasional office and social and work support structures. Independent coworking facilities will support small businesses, independent workers and networks of workers. There is a broader issue here around the human need to belong to a group, and the role work and corporations play as family and village substitutes in modern society. But this is sociologically too deep for me to go beyond just mentioning it. Steve On Jan 4, 3:15am, John Gauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I imagine folks saw this working out of the office piece in yesterday's Times:http://tinyurl.com/18 I found this quote interesting and true for many,I suppose: We found if you're working from home and do not have an interaction with someone from work, or a client, or a physical meeting, after three days you start to feel isolated, said Dan Pelino, who manages I.B.M.'s mobile workforce program. What did people think of the two articles (the second one here,http://tinyurl.com/3yemlx)? I thought the toys were cool, but pricey overall (http://tinyurl.com/2ncvl4 ). John -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Contracts
I'd let you look at ours, but we don't use any. Instead we rely on a naive sense of mutual trust. Hasn't bit us in the ass yet (knock on wood!). Chris On Jan 4, 2008 9:03 PM, Alex Hillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick, I think this is a tricky one to answer because due to use cases, leasing agreements, and a zillion other factors every space's agreement would likely be different. You're welcome to take a look at the IndyHall agreement (found at http://www.indyhall.org/pricing/membership-application/). When I posted back in the summer asking for help, I only found one TOS type agreement that ended up being modified and turned into this document that we use. It's admittedly longer than I'd like, but covered all of the bases we were interested in and so far, nobody has raised any issues. Are you going to be doing month-to-month agreements or long term agreements? -Alex, IndyHall, Philadelphia On Jan 4, 2008 8:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, We are in the process of signing our members for our February opening. I'm wondering, with so many coworking spaces now open, I'm sure someone has a member contract no? I'd be very grateful if you could post it here or email me a version. Thx, Patrick . Station C Espace de coworking à Montréal dans le coeur du Milend Coworking space in Montréal in the heart of the Milend http://station-c.com -- - -- - Alex Hillman web.developer.innovation.consultant vocal: 484.597.6256 digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | skype: dangerouslyawesome visual: www.weknowhtml.com | www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Office Nomads on CNN Money / Fortune Small Biz Homepage!
Blogged: http://blog.coworking.info/2007/12/28/office-nomads-in-fortune-small-business/ Chris On Dec 27, 2007 11:28 AM, Geoff DiMasi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations! -- Geoff DiMasi Indy Hall, Philadelphia On Dec 27, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Jacob Sayles wrote: Yeah this was a nice way to get back to the office after the holidays! Susan did this interview when I was in San Francisco for Cohopping. The best has been watching the news aggregators and seeing we made the Britney Spears blogs. That's fame! http://tinyurl.com/2qmcvw Of all the new years and all the years I've look back on... 2007 has been pretty amazing. Jacob Sayles Co-founder Janitor http://officenomads.com On Dec 26, 2007 8:17 PM, Sean O'Steen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy folks, Just wanted to point out that Jacob Susan and the rest of the Office Nomads group have received a very nice write-up on today's Fortune Small Business homepage: http://tinyurl.com/32salt Congratulations! Sean -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: The Competition
to arrange a space to your own liking — installing projector screens or whiteboards for example — becomes an additional benefit of working out of a coworking space. As well, if you're a late night worker and cafes close before your productivity streak runs out, you quickly begin to appreciate having a third space that is open as long as you want it to be. 5. a place to work that's not your bedroom: Working from home can be great — you can get the laundry done while you're on the phone with clients or cook dinner as you finish up email. But, there are limits to this perceived freedom. Probably one of the greatest benefits of coworking to workers with home offices is the fact that the coworking space is NOT their home! Especially when you're in a relationship where one partner works in an office with other people, the social isolation can lead to gushing experiences when the socialized partner comes home to the solitary one and is inundated with updates from the day. It's not that this is bad per se, but that coworking spaces can provide good antidotes for this kind of social imbalance or alienation. 6. a chance to build something unique: Besides all those practical benefits, there's something bigger going on here that should be acknowledged: in spite of all the technology and the ability to work wherever we want, there's still value in coming together in shared spaces with people that we like and care about. No one says that you can't work alone, but many people do think that working among peers is often better for them — and leads to a more positive attitude and outlook. Being able to join with a strong community like the coworking community and to be able to create the work-life experience of the future — and to define for ourselves what we want from where we work, for me, is critical. For a point of historical context, I used to work on a project called CivicSpace, which was used to organize the online grassroots of the Howard Dean Presidential campaign. It struck me as odd that we were building software to help people connect when our *physical* civic spaces were going away, being underfunded or replaced with malls. When I discovered Brad Neuberg's Coworking, it struck me that there was something to his simple, basic premise of getting people together in a common space on a regular basis, and facilitating interaction. True, it's not significantly different from cafe working, but for folks who have experienced both, there is definitely something qualitatively different about coworking, and that's perhaps because it's entirely up to the individual to get whatever they need out of it, while operating firmly in the context of local community. Let's face it: social networking might help us meet and connect with lots and lots of people that we might not otherwise, but it's certainly not the be all, end all, nor is it a replacement for our IRL human connections. Coworking facilitates these real-life connections, and hopefully brings people together in the context of the individual pursuit of one's passions. No one owns coworking, and everyone can participate, should they choose. Coworking may not be superior in every way to what's available today, but it doesn't have to be. What's important is to have the choice, and to work, somewhat collectively, to figure out ways to make this choice be possible, and be sustainable over time. Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [X] bloggable[ ] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Simpli Hosting (San Jose, CA) Coworking Now Closed
Yay! Will you start a new coworking space? ;) On Dec 3, 2007 10:24 AM, Erica Douglass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tara, Well, rereading it, it did sound a little sad, didn't it? Let me clarify: HOORAY!! I SOLD MY BUSINESS!!! (lol) Now I have the money and free time to pursue my real passion -- writing -- and start a new coworking space, which is my other big goal for 2008. There, I hope we all feel better now. :D -Erica On Dec 3, 2007 10:19 AM, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sad, but hopeful! Good luck, Erica! I know that you have oodles of great ideas (and for everyone else, Erica is a business whiz). T On Dec 3, 2007 10:15 AM, Erica Douglass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, As you may have heard, I recently sold my business, Simpli Hosting, to another web hosting company (Silicon Valley Web Hosting.) Part of the sale terms were that SVWH took over our office space and moved out of their smaller office. As you can imagine, this meant taking over all of the office space that we had allotted for coworking and using it for Simpli/SVWH's employees. Now that SVWH is using the entire office, and I am no longer involved with the company, Simpli is no longer a coworking space. That said, I am interested in coworking in a major way, and plan to open a new coworking space sometime in late 2008-early 2009. Since I'm considering moving, I don't want to start a new space until I finalize my moving plans or, alternatively, decide to stay in the Bay Area. I'll continue to participate on this list, of course, and may bounce ideas off of you all as I determine further when and where I want to open a space. Cheers! -Erica P.S. You can reach me at my new email address, erica AT erica.biz, if you'd like to stay in touch. -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt coFounder Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: TwinCities, MN Catalyst
Sweet! Hey Thomas, have you seen this Google Group? http://groups.google.com/group/coworking-minneapolis-st-paul Chris On 11/26/07, dydimustk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy! I'm Thomas Knoll (dydimustk.com). I've been following the coworking phenomenon for a while and have decided to give it a go as a catalyst. I love pulling people together and creating synergy, and I know that my technical skills will never catch up to my passion for using technology to connect people with great ideas. So I'm hoping to invest my energy into making a coworking space in St. Paul, MN a sustainable business. I intend to focus on developing the space and the community, so others can focus on their code, design, and professional development. I'll share more of my vision, hopes, and questions soon, but just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. peace, TK -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Marketing Secrets Of A Successful Freelancer
I've changed moderation so that all new members are now moderated. It's an unfortunate step to take, but it's also not fair to waste people's time when there's a fairly simple way to prevent it. Chris On Oct 30, 7:06 am, Alex Hillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeez, we've been getting quite a bit of spam on here in the last couple of days. I'll talk to Chris and Tara about any kind of spam moderation we can employ. Sorry everyone. -Alex On 10/30/07, stewart walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freelance jobs are real and they're available. This is no scam or pie- in-the-sky 'business opportunity'. Outsourcing is becoming more and more popular every day. Companies are quickly realizing that is much easier and cheaper to outsource their work to freelancers rather than take on expensive employees. Technology is making it possible for people all over the world to wave goodbye to the boss, work from home and have more time with their family. If you have a computer, an internet connection, and the right skills, you're well on your way to a freelance lifestyle. I've been freelancing from home as a Virtual Assistant since 2002. The biggest challenge for me was working out how to get clients. I remember sitting there one day in my home office - everything was set up and ready to go - when I thought, 'All I really need now are some clients'. I tried lots of different marketing techniques to see which ones worked best and which didn't. Some didn't work very well and I admit that I wasted quite alot of money. When I finally hit on the right way to attract clients, it was as if a lightbulb had gone off. One of the strategies I tried ended up bringing in thousands of dollars per year and still does. http://freelancersucc.blogspot.com/# -- - -- - Alex Hillman web.developer.innovation.consultant vocal: 484.597.6256 digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | skype: dangerouslyawesome visual:www.weknowhtml.com|www.dangerouslyawesome.com local:www.indyhall.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: ~!! Make $1111 per Day Without Investing Single Cent !!~
Ugh, deleted. This time I'm quite sure it was a spammer. ;) Chris On 10/19/07, jeny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make $ per Day Without Investing Single Cent Get the Secret Money Making Formula Free Money Making Guide That Can Help YOU Make Money Online -- Whoever You Are! Discover How To Make $1000 per Day without investing single peny More INfo @ http://earnonline.xoomwebs.com -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Is Intel (and others) beginning to get it?
Nice find! Coworking is definitely something that can answer the wave of home sourcing that seems popular due to the ability to send folks home with a laptop, VPN and wifi connectivity... but it can also serve as a model of inspiration for companies who decide to forego cubicles and opt for a more cafe-like company work environment. Of course everything is relative and circumstantial, but it's nice to see that humane workspaces are coming into vogue. Chris On 10/15/07, James Bentley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read this article in WSJ but couldn't post it because I don't subscribe... however, just found a blog about it... I am sure this is nothing new to this group, but corporate America is starting to get it. http://foundread.com/2007/10/15/tip-of-the-day-ditch-your-office-cubicles/ James Bentley -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Please put your location in your email [was: Re: [Coworking] Re: Lining up members before opening]
I could take care of that. What do you have in mind? Give me an example of what you're thinking? Chris On 10/12/07, Dusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good advice Erica! :) I don't suppose anyone knows how to setup a signature in Google Groups? -Dusty Interested in opening a space in Austin. On Oct 12, 1:35 pm, Erica Douglass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is semi-OT to the thread (hence the subject change), but the post from Dusty reminded me... if you're thinking about opening a coworking space, I strongly recommend you put a location in your messages. There are several hundred people on this list, and some of us may be interested in your location, or may know someone who might be interested. So, if you're thinking about opening a space, even if you're nowhere close to ready, it would be great if you could add a location in your email. Heck, put it on the wiki too... there's no shame in saying I'm interested in opening a coworking space [here], and am looking to meet with others who are interested as well. Please contact me at [blah] and let's talk. I did this for a while before officially opening Simpli as a coworking space, and got several responses from the mailing list and wiki. -Erica (Simpli Hosting / San Jose, CA) On 10/11/07, Dusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great topic Tony! I've been struggling with this question myself. I'd also like to open a coworking space. I'm not sure how much value I have to add to this topic, but I'll do my best to push the discussion further. :) I think you have to start by considering what separates a cowoking space from a coffee shop that charges a cover at the door, or a shared office. I think what makes a coworking space different from those 2 things is not any type of physical offering, it's actually the intent of the space and it's patrons (to work and collaborate) and the fact that the patrons are a community amongst themselves, even outside of the space. So how do you get people interested in your space before you have a space? 1) Get involved in the coworking community in your area and if it doesn't exist start it. 2) Establish the intent of your space to the community (to facilitate working and collaboration) 3) Ask the community if they're interested (Maybe there's a magical ratio of interested people to actual membership you could use to measure risk?) 4) Once the magical ratio is palletable to you, take the leap. After you've taken the leap you then you must continuously feed and nurture the community or risk becoming a shared office or a quiet coffee shop with a cover charge. -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Trouble/Noisy/Messy Members...
I'm not sure how helpful my advice/experience will be, but #1 if you run the space, it's your job to set the mood/tone/standards for behavior. Therefore, if there's someone unruly or who is generally affecting negatively the atmosphere of a coworking space, it's up to you to protect the space from this kind of unwanted intrusion. It's the same with an online community or social network. The host of the venue is more or less responsible, at a macro level, to make sure everyone feels comfortable and is taken care of. That's not to let off each individual coworker from managing their own happiness and contentedness, but when things go wrong, it is important to know in advance who can make things right. For Citizen Space, we actually have no contracts with our tenants. Instead we employ an emergent mutual-respect model. In others, we treat people like responsible adults and expect them to do the same to us in return. In nearly a year of running our space this way, we've not had any issues with our tenants. The one issue we did run into was with a community wine-tasting event. At the time, we didn't charge any money for such events to use our space. Ironically, this lead to a strange kind of attitude of entitlement about the use of our space. After the first event (which left the space unkempt and rather dirty), we put the event planner on notice. After the second event where the planner was rude to the coworkers, we disinvited him and told him to go elsewhere. It was a painful experience, but in order to protect the positive atmosphere of the space, we had to intervene and cut out the negative influence the event was having. After that, we started charging a basic $25 fee to use the space for non-profit or small interest groups; more for folks who were charging access to their event. We never entered into any legal agreements with anyone who used the space in this way either. Now, I'll contradict myself a little and suggest that you do clearly spell out expectations and roles. Everyone who visits a coworking space or hosts and event at one should have some boundaries and those boundaries should be clearly stated and ideally written down. We have some of these expectations and responsibilities on this page: http://citizenspace.us/pricing/ Anyway, it's different for every place, but what I do know is that trying to predict everything bad that might happen in advance and guarding yourself against it will invariably decelerate serendipity (we emphasis *accelerating serendipity*), will potentially reduce trust and will also leave you bound by rules that may not actually apply or make any sense after 2 or 3 months. Again, after almost a year, we only have one or two things that we could have made rules against, but still we've decided to go with lower overhead and spend more time getting to know and building trust relationships with our community and with our tenants. I won't speak for Citizen Space coworkers, but I think that this has resulted in much more positive energy for the space and greater and more widespread sense of ownership and pride in the space that, as far as we're concerned, is as good as any kind of legal protection. Knock on wood, right?, but if I were you, I'd try to keep it light and focus my energies on a document that captures clearly what my expectations are of coworkers, but also what coworking tenants should expect of me and of the space. Chris On 10/13/07, Fernando Maclen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see the coworking spaces pictures on their websites and everybody looks happy and having a great time, but what happens when there's a member that makes trouble? Does the contract he/she signs has any topic about canceling the membership? Is it legal to kick him out whenever you feel it doesn't belong to the space? Do you need approval from the rest of the members? Are you protected against a lawsuit from this trouble member? I would really appreciate the advice on this, I'm about to meet a lawyer in a couple of days but I want your opinion first. Thanks! --- Fernando Maclen * Starting a space in Buenos Aires (Argentina) -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: New Logo Comps
Hey John, These are pretty cool! Nice work! One thing that I'd like to see in the logo is a way to localize it to different places, like we've done with the BarCamp logo: https://barcamp.pbwiki.com/LogoGallery Would it be possible to work with a more horizontal layout that would allow for more of this kind of interpretation? Chris On 10/12/07, John Bilotta Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all! I had the opportunity to create some new logo comps today. Let me know what you think. http://coworking.pbwiki.com/Logo Johnny web / graphic designer 609-680-8247 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jbiljr.com -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Lurking and thinking about becoming involved...
Hey Ben, You're certainly welcome to stop by any of the existing spaces and say hello. If you want to drop in to Citizen Space, you're welcome to do so for free as well. I guess if you're just getting started, the best thing to do is just give a try and find out what the limitations are for yourself...! ;) Chris On 10/12/07, Benry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm Ben. I live in San Francisco and am a software guy. What does that mean? Well, if you look on Craigslist, it means anything from AJAX and Ruby to Assembly. I'm mainly into C/C++/C#, Python, and Assembly for embedded systems. I'm 26, drive a Subaru, do http://crossfit.com/ workouts regularly, collect records, play guitar, make beer, play squash, travel, and um...geek out to the Criterion Collection alone. I've been collaborating with some friends recently about getting more involved in co-operative work, and I found this group through the Hat Factory website. Not to say that I wouldn't like to join their co-op, but I'm not that high profile yet. I'm interested in understanding limitations and trends in a co-operative work environment. I'm afraid that I've gone too far into the corporate world to be a part of something independent. I really would love to work independently, but don't have an opportunity to do so right now, which is why I'm interested :). I'll be trolling for a while and will be looking for a space with in the next month...so, hello Bay Area people (sans San Jose residents)! -Benry -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking on Wikipedia
Personally, I'm eagerly looking forward to whatever Alex and co. come up with! You might also take a look at the BarCamp page for ideas/inspiration (though it could use some work): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp Chris On 10/9/07, Berislav Lopac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 9, 5:37 pm, Geoff DiMasi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make sure to visit if you are ever in Philadelphia. Don't worry, I most certainly will! Berislav -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking on Wikipedia
And having lots of news/media citations (which we now have). John, do you have references for the discussion around deletion? At least there's a paper trail that we could refer to in constructing the next effort. Also, feel free to start writing it up or adding ideas on the wiki: https://coworking.pbwiki.com/CoworkingOnWikipedia And it looks like John Sechrest got a stub going for us: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coworking Chris On 10/9/07, John Sechrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like there has been two, now three coworking entries. but they get deleted. So it seems that having critical mass of material is important. and that perhaps having requests is important. On 10/8/07, Berislav Lopac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just realized that there is no Coworking entry on Wikipedia -- perhaps someone could start one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coworking Berislav Chamber Coalition . 420 NW 2nd . (541) 757-1505 . [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: First CoWorking Experience in South America
Awesome -- can't wait to watch the progress on this! ;) Chris On 9/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your comments Tara. I'll love to write something on the blog, but not at the moment. I'm really busy with this project and several others, but I'll love to post something soon. I'll sign up and ask you for author permissions. About the logo, I think the idea is pretty clear. You never see businessmen happy, they are always with poker faces on stock photos. So the idea is basically a freelancer with business tools: that's CoWork Central :) On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's awesome, Fernando! And your logo is fun, too! Crazy running businessperson...nice. Did you want to post something on the coworking.info blog about what you are doing? You never know who is reading it...if so, just sign up and I'll promote you to author. Tara On 9/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops! I miss typed the URL. Here it goes again:http://www.coworkcentral.com -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog:www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Spacious, modern
Coworking spaces don't spam their members or use bulk email to promote themselves. If you're interesting in participating and contributing to the community, we're more than welcome to hear from you; drive-by postings to this list will be considered spam. I look forward to your feedback, and ask that you, in the future, you refrain from posting self-promotional emails to the list without balancing your correspondence with positive contributions to the larger coworking community. Thanks, Chris On 9/24/07, My Day Office [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Day Office is now open in downtown Seattle. Tired of meeting with clients in coffee shops? Worn out running between the copy center, mailbox and notary? Finally a workplace that has it all in one place! From virtual offices to physical offices, My Day Office is where work happens. My Day Office offers meeting solutions with open work areas, private offices, and conference rooms; mailbox rentals; shipping services; fax, copy and printing; and full secretarial support with wifi and state of the art technology. Patrons may become members and enjoy substantially discounted fees on rentals and services. Costs are much lower than executive suites or other retail mailbox or copy centers. For more information on the products and services or to reserve a private office or conference room visit www.MyDayOffice.com. What makes us different? My Day office is a spacious and modern business center with expansive windows that provide plenty of ambient light and a contemporary decor with rich brown an blue tones. Our friendly staff can assist you with your paperwork, business plans, answering phone calls and shipping. A hot-house for up and coming entrepreneurs and great business minds, My Day Office offers a series of business workshops and networking events to give you the tools you need to take your business to the next level. My Day Office is conveniently located at Elliott Broad across from the Spaghetti Factory and overlooks the Olympic Sculpture Park. -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo
I already forwarded this issue, and it's been sent to engineering. Thanks for all the reports and sorry for the inconvenience! Chris On 9/20/07, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll let the folks at pbwiki know. Seems like an issue for everyone. On 9/20/07, Hillary Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, the wiki editor crashes my firefox browser *every* time (i'm on windows xp, too). i finally just decided to use IE Tab to switch over to IE before editing. haven't tried since the upgrade to 2.0.0.7, but don't expect to see a difference. hh On Sep 17, 10:49 am, John Bilotta Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I finally got a chance to mock up some coworking logos. Wanted to get everybody's opinion... http://coworking.pbwiki.com/Logo#jbiljr I am working on a couple more, and will get them up as soon as I can. I did have a problem uploading these. When I went to login the wiki kept crashing my browser. Can anybody shed some light on this? I am using Firefox on a windoze XP machine. Thanks all! Johnny web / graphic designer 609-680-8247 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jbiljr.com -Original Message- From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tara Hunt Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:24 AM To: coworking@googlegroups.com Subject: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo I quite like the simplicity of these, Hill. T. On 9/13/07, Hillary Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a logo designer by any stretch of the imagination, but I put a few mockups out there for review: http://flickr.com/photos/hillaryandanna/1369795451/(click thru to next 2 files, too) I also put them on the wiki with some color commentary: http://coworking.pbwiki.com/Logo My basic thought is that many of the ideas out there so far are too busy to be a simple, extensible, community mark. Something that acts as a call to action (as someone else said) and can be very easily modified. Think coworking sf, coworking philly, coworking boulder, etc... just like BarCamp. $0.02... Hillary On Sep 11, 11:31 am, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mock it up! :) We tried the skinny star but it looked odd on our end...maybe you can do better. T -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog:www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: 24/7?
Hmm, many of us? I'm not sure I've heard of any...! At least from a come one, come all sense. Our tenants have 24 hour access but only because we give them keys. In reality people are in the office from around 10am - 6pm during the week, less on the weekends (it's like a regular work schedule!). Occasionally folks will stay late, or we'll host evening events, but we certainly don't advertise or offer our space to drop-ins past 6pm unless a key-holder happens to be staying late and doesn't mind the company. Citizen Space also doesn't staff the space -- that is, we don't make our tenants responsible for keeping the place open for drop-ins. We learned that lesson the hard way with our first space: it's better to charge folks for a consistent service that they're going to use than to try to also get those same folks to take up responsibility for running the place. That said, if your model is to offer open doors and charge, say, hourly, then having dedicated staff to do so is probably a good idea; in that case, however, due to both the changing of the guard and the element of randomness in your patrons, it's sometimes harder to predict what might or might not go wrong (hence the need for insurance and whatnot). We've been very fortunate to have found reliable and responsible people to fill our space; we carry insurance of course, but also know that we can trust our tenants. We haven't needed to invest in any additional security (knock on wood) and instead rely on each citizen to treat and protect the space as they wood their own office. Judging from your website, your model seems a bit different from ours, in which case I'll condition my comments by saying that what we do won't necessarily work for everyone. It's really more important that you figure out and define for yourself what kind of culture and community you want to create and nurture and then make your decisions accordingly. We still don't require agreements (of any kind) with our tenants and in the 10 months that we've been running our space, haven't had an issue. We've maintained this aspect of the space as a design decision in order to enculturate a sense of trust and responsibility in our members. We treat them like the adults that they are, and we expect the same in return. Not surprisingly, the culture of Citizen Space, at least to me, seems to exude trust and pride. If you set up rules and protections against what might (or might not) someday happen, your potential customers will treat you the same way -- and will potentially shield themselves from you and from investing themselves in your space. Every little decision that we make in setting up our coworking spaces has ongoing consequences, and that's why it's worth reconsidering everything that you've been told you should do. Just because it worked for someone else before, or because someone else got screwed in the past and says that you should protect yourself in such a way as to distrust by default, doesn't mean that it's the right thing for you to do (and I'm not making any assumptions, only pointing out a general principle). So, with that, I'm not sure trying to stay open 24/7 makes sense. Or, if it does, play it by ear -- and if you suddenly have 15 people showing up wanting access 24/7 that they're willing to pay for, make a move then. There's no sense in prematurely optimizing at a great expense for situtations that may never arise in practice. Chris On 9/19/07, Sasha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you made your spaces with 24/7 access. What's the secret? How do you pull that off with insurance and general security for members? Has anybody have any problems with it? We're trying to decide whether to make it 24/7 or just open till 10pm (staffed)... Thanks! Sasha Vasilyuk Sandbox Suites -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: 24/7?
On 9/19/07, Jacob Sayles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The plan is to A) Focus on permanent desks with signed member agreements and security deposits. B) Give electronic keys that track who is coming and going and can be revoked quickly. C) Security cameras at the entrances. D) Extensive insurance. Fascinating! To each their own I guess -- there is something to be said for a reassurance strategy -- that is, letting tenants/members know that their stuff is being monitored. At the same time, NOT creating a false sense of security is also worth considering. Jacob, have you experienced any kind of feedback about the security aspects of your space? Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: CoWorking in London
Did you check this out? http://coworking.pbwiki.com/CoworkingLondon Chris On 9/17/07, SanManUWS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all - Spending a week here in London - wondering if coworking took off out here Sanford On Feb 24, 10:15 am, Bru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm new on the group. Got here after an amazing conversation with Chris Messina in London (thanks again). I'm looking for existing experiences of coworking in London and/or for people who'd like to create a new one. Also, my current dayjob (http://www.headshift.com) already has offices but we're bound to get bigger ones soon... you'll never know ;) Cheers, Rick aka Bru -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Senior and retired
Hey Jim, We appreciate your interest in coworking, but keep in mind that it's not to be confused with cohabitating. It's not a dating service or a way to pick up wimmen. We have set out our priorities and values very clearly. If you're interested in cafe-like productive work environments that value collaboration, openness, community and sustainability [1], then this list is happy to have you. Otherwise, I'm sure there are plenty of other site that can help you find someone who enjoys dancin', dinin' and lovin'. Respect and good luck, Chris [1] http://citizenspace.us/about/our-philosophy/ On 9/15/07, texasjim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 14, 1:06 pm, texasjim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just found out about coworking. I'm 70 years of age and retired. Do I fit in? Thanks! jim I was born in Ft. Worth and raised in Houston, Texas. My main interests in school were wimmen and sports...in that order. After finishing a couple of years of military service in Germany, I entered the work force in L.A., and retired in July 1998 from Motorola as a senior financial controller, lovingly referred to as a beancounter. My present abode (hopefully last) is in San Antonio, Texas. I'm enjoying it immensely after having lived in many parts of the world, including Guadalajara, ARIDzona and Washington state. Most of my buds were Special Forces before I developed additional friendships with others who share my love and thirst for writing. My plans of completing a 22-jump skydive course had to be cancelled due to three shoulder surgeries...a consequence of huggin' too many frauleins, senoreeetas, and sweet thangs. I've just relocated in San Antonio and look forward to meeting lovelies in this area. Close friends who know me find it hard to believe I just turned 69 years of age. Closer friends will tell you I often times act like a two year old. Regardless of age, I look forward to a relationship with someone who enjoys dancin', dinin' and lovin'. -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Office Nomads - September Update
Thanks for the updates! Let me know if you'd like to talk to my Belkin contact and we can see if they can help you guys out like they did Indy Hall! I can also put you in touch with our friends at Meraki networks if you think that a local mesh network would be helpful. Chris On 9/11/07, Jacob Sayles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has it already been another month already? Here is the latest and greatest from the land of Office Nomads: Get on the List Across the country around the world, coworking continues to grow and thrive. As word spreads, more and more people are coming out of the woodwork asking us how soon we can get them into a space. Want to be sure you're in on coworking in Seattle? Susan is compiling a waiting list for people who are sure they want in and want first rights on membership. Drop her a line if you would like on the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Creating the Space Susan and I have spent the majority of our efforts this past month working to secure an optimal location. Unfortunately we couldn't reach a mutually beneficial agreement with the owners of the Ballard space so we had to walk away. However, in a fun little spit of serendipity, Susan found a great place on Capital Hill while I was away at Burning Man and it turns out it was the same space I had found months ago. The property manager there has been very helpful and with it's low build out requirements we may be able to open the doors sooner then we expected. It's a great space (think exposed brick, lots of comfortable nooks for desks, and maybe even sushi downstairs!) in a great location and we are very excited. With this new, slightly smaller space we're going to rework some of the membership plans - more on the new rates coming soon. Check out the photos and location: http://www.officenomads.com/space2/ Furniture Leads Huge thanks to Paul Laskowski who keyed us into a great deal on furniture. His downtown office was going to send a number of usable desks and chairs to the landfill and we did our best to rescue them... well 16 of them. I've talked to a few people who have heard of similar deals but we were too late to jump on them. Keep your ears out people. Also let us know if you happen to have some good storage space to house furniture before we can move into the space - my garage is reaching full capacity. Creating Connections The coworking community continues to be a wonderful place for us to learn, share ideas, and build a strong network. Today Susan and I went to Tacoma to meet with Derek Young of Suite 133 to compare notes and to hear all about the space. They officially open October 1st and It we are anxiously tracking their developments. That's it for now, folks. More to come soon - stay tuned! Jacob Sayles Nomad Founder officenomads.com -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo
I like Berislav's point as well. But what we really need are alternative sketches -- since it's easy to point out things that aren't compatible with our tastes in writing, but much harder to express them visually so others can really grasp what we're saying and then respond in kind...! ;) In any case, I've created a page to collect these logo ideas and mockups: http://coworking.pbwiki.com/Logo Feel free to start collecting and adding your own. By all means contribute simple sketches -- surely someone from the community will come through and turn your sketch into something more refined if it has legs! Chris On 9/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with Berislav on something simpler, more re-usable. I'm not crazy either about the look of a starfish, the symbol is excellent. I think a direction that's less of a circular badge would be a good thing to try. Maybe making the starfish smaller and using it on the side, above or under a larger Coworking would make sense, somewhat like the Barcamp logo. Work on the word as the basis for the logo and make the starfish more of a stamp/symbol/brand (not sure which word to use here) associated to it, like the apple with Apple or swoosh with Nike, that can then be used next to the name or separate. The starfish could then be used small with the text on documents but blown up and central on a t-shirt for example. Patrick -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Great coworking coverage on Web Worker Daily
http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/09/10/berkeley-coworking-the-inside-story/ Sweet! Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo
Hey Johnny, Thanks for the feedback -- I admit that I'm not the best logo artist -- and that my intention in putting this out there wasn't necessarily to create the definitive coworking logo but 1) to fill a void that's been left open since we got started (i.e. having a coworking logo to identity ourselves by) and 2) to get a conversation started where hopefully other talented design-types and coworking stakeholders could help advance this idea towards an actual logo. With that said, I invite anyone who feels so inspired to either take my original work, or start from scratch, and mock up your own logo design. I do ask that if you submit a mark to the group that you 1) accept that coworking is a community mark [1][2] and 2) that your work will be offered into the public domain for others to use and modify as they like. As a starfish organization, we should avoid centralizing control, especially when it comes to IP and such. As BarCamp has demonstrated before, allowing artwork to be used freely encourages robust organic growth and a diversity of interpretation, allowing for infinite possibilities and improvements to emerge over time. If you're not comfortable with that kind of arrangement, I still gladly solicit your feedback, but would ask that you not contribute work for review that can't be reused, mashed up or that can't be used in other commercial contexts. Thanks, Chris [1] http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/14/the-case-for-community-marks/ [2] http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/05/29/why-barcamp-is-a-community-mark/ On 9/9/07, Johnny Bilotta Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was talking with Alex the other night about this. He finally explained the reasoning behind the Starfish, and I like direction that it could take. From an artist's perspective, especially one that designs logos all the time, I think this particular starfish does not work at all; it makes me want to go by sea shells in Atlantic City. The symbolisim of the starfish is superb but the drawing / icon itself needs to be reworked in my opinion. Johnny On 9/9/07, MattCoop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the use of the starfish to symbolize the coworking network, but I feel like the logo should somehow suggest physical space, since shared physical space is so fundamental to the idea of coworking. Starfish-shaped building? On Sep 7, 10:43 pm, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a later version: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/1344486740/ Thoughts? Chris On 9/7/07, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mocked up a couple logos for coworking (nothing final) and would love your opinions: http://urltea.com/1feh http://urltea.com/1fei Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work:http://citizenagency.com Blog:http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog:http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jbiljr.com AIM: palebluedot001 Twitter: jbiljr -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo
Here's a later version: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/1344486740/ Thoughts? Chris On 9/7/07, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mocked up a couple logos for coworking (nothing final) and would love your opinions: http://urltea.com/1feh http://urltea.com/1fei Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo
There's no color right now simply because I'm working in black and white to get the basic shapes down... color can come later (hopefully with someone licensed to do logo coloring...!) ;) As for including people... well... I guess I'm reluctant to go in that direction simply because abstracted people in logos never look quite right to me... and personally having something iconic represent aspects of the community could be useful later. As for not using a negative (or obeying conventional wisdom)... you have a point, but in this case I don't mind breaking with tradition... Coworking isn't exactly designed for folks who like to conform w/ society's norms. ;) Chris On 9/7/07, Erica Douglass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking about what I had said earlier (in your Flickr comments) and expanding on it... could the logo include people somehow? Also, I really would like to see more color. Finally, as a marketing person, slogans should never include a negative. ;) I hope this is helpful...I don't mean to be overbearing. -Erica On 9/7/07, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mocked up a couple logos for coworking (nothing final) and would love your opinions: http://urltea.com/1feh http://urltea.com/1fei Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Who's Going To Burning Man?
On 8/22/07, Berislav Lopac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 22, 1:23 am, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to get off topic, Why not? It adds to the diversity. :) If anyone does find this thread uninteresting, please say so; typically I would ask for a topic like this to be moved off list, but I do think that there are ideas in here that apply to coworking and to the development and nurturance of our community that should be raised and discussed now. I've personally gone through a radical shift in my understanding of issues of diversity in the past three years and think that, if we're going to find long term success, it's something that should inform our methodology and be close to our core set of principles. Well, the point of my latest post -- although consciously obscured in order to provoke a response, I admit -- was exactly that the lack of diversity isn't necessary a sign of the white boy club syndrome. It might be unintuitive to people who live in countries -- like UK and US -- where the racial and cultural diversity is so obvious everywhere on the streets, but where I live you would really have a hard time finding a person who is not white; not because of some racial intolerance, but simply because there is next to none existing in the general population as well. When I visit London for a couple of days I literally see more non-white people than I see for the rest of the year combined. Diversity need not be limited to superficial (read: surface borne) qualities, though those kind of traits are often used to measure the absence or presence of diversity. And I'm not suggesting that you have such a limited view of diversity, only that my view of diversity -- of what diversity is -- is actually itself diverse and contextual. So you're right -- in the case where you're likely to find people overwhelmingly of one singular type -- it may be hard to encourage, support or promote diversity in that one facet. However, it is still something worth pointing out and giving some priority to in other areas of the event... whether in content, presentation, in preparation or in amenities. Two simple examples from this weekend's BarCampBlock: Liz Henry, one of our co-organizers, represented interests that are often overlooked at such male-heavy and geek-centric events... that is, the need for childcare and separately, the need for accessible buildings and presentation areas. Liz was involved in planning the event and did an incredible job throughout -- she also, by identifying those two concerns, raised the awareness to those issues and helped her co-organizers make childcare and accessibility priorities in the planning of the event. While we otherwise should have naturally been aware of those issues and done something about them, it took someone on the planning team to actualize that awareness and then provide tactics to meet those needs. I guess what I'm saying is that diversity as a common value or concern expresses itself as a form of vigilance and openness towards being accommodating in whatever way is necessary. The importance of diversity may manifest itself in the traditional obvious superficial delineations that you've described, but I would encourage you to look beyond that (as you suggested later) and see that, even within what appears to be an otherwise white, pre-dominantly male group, that there are still diverse needs that may be attended to. Starting there, where it's easier, I think, will lead one to realize the importance of all diversity, not only that which exists within the small group of people who are like you. The lack of women is, admittedly, a different topic, but I think that it accurately reflects the status quo in the high-tech industry in general. The female attendees at the conference tended to be designers and journalists, with the female speaker being a lawyer; in Croatia, all kinds of engineering have always been primarily boys' work, and this should be changed on a much wider social basis than a single conference. This issue certainly has been belabored to no end, and will continue to be, but I think it takes both an attitudinal adjustment and a rejection of the status quo if things are going to improve. That you even cite that things have always been this way is already inviting defeat. If we accepted and took for granted that offices would always be cubicles and that everyone should feel both isolation within and alienation to their work, coworking would have no purpose. Instead, we have decided to dismantle the underlying assumptions of the status quo and to reformulate what people's expectations should be. The same should be true of the gender division. If conferences, events, workplaces and others were made to be more inclusive, more accommodating and valued the kinds of special contributions women make, I think that this status quo would eventually dissolve. It's certainly not an overnight challenge, but representing
[Coworking] Re: coworking for creche..?
Hey Kara, It would be *awesome* if you could write up/blog your ideas/experience/plans on this aspect of your space... it's something that we need more information on -- and getting it on the wiki or the Coworking blog (I can set you up as an author) would be fantastic. Chris On 8/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in Seattle, we're creating a co-working space to be opened in January 2008 - Office Nomads. We have plans to include a kids' room - one of the conference rooms converted to be specifically child-focused, with toys, books, and games. While this space wouldn't be providing childcare services, it is a quiet, out-of-the-way, hopefully entertaining place for kids to wait in while their parent(s) complete a few tasks or a meeting. I, myself, am a single work-from-home mom of three kids (3, 6, and 9), all home-schooled, so family-centered co-working appeals to me, too. If anyone in Seattle would like to connect and brainstorm possibilities, I'd love to host a kid-friendly bbq! Please contact me via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kara Dugaw Office Nomads -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Who's Going To Burning Man?
+2. I think diversity is absolutely essential to the work and communities that I involve myself in. A couple relevant links: http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/ http://barcamp.org/Diversity Chris On 8/21/07, Berislav Lopac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 21, 12:11 am, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to hang out in sterile, corporate-ville executive suite style cubicles you're more than welcome. In fact I think your needs are already being well served. For those of us who want a choice and some influence on the environments in which we work, I think coworking is providing ideas and tactics for meeting that need. ;) You noted the smiley, I reckon. :) Anyway, my personal opinion is that a co-working environment -- with people from all kinds of backgrounds and with all kinds of interests do their own work while intercommunicating and sharing ideas -- can only bring benefits to everyone. The most important strength of such environments is this diversity itself, and I loathe any kind of forced ideology of *any* kind, however benevolent, to tenants and coworkers. Nota bene: I'm not implying that anyone here is doing that, my original comment was simply a joke. But I've lived for too long in a forcedly single-minded society, and I'm wary of anything remotely resembling it. Best regards to all, Berislav. -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: coworking for creche..?
This is a great idea! In fact, Jane M. Von Bergen, the woman who wrote about Indy Hall the other day told me about a similar group that she used to be involved with that reminded her of coworking I've invited her to join this group and give us her thoughts/ideas... Chris On 8/21/07, Geoff DiMasi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Leisa, That seems like a rich area. My wife and I helped form a play group in our neighborhood. This idea came up quite often... might be time to execute it. Geoff -- Geoff DiMasi P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com On Aug 21, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Leisa Reichelt wrote: hi all, I just had a random thought, I wonder whether you'd heard anyone talk about it at all a bunch of women my age are all having babies at the moment. they're all professional women who would love to carry on with their career, but - realistically - there's little to no chance of them being the mothers that they want to be AND having a decent career... if you know what I mean (I'm not entirely sure that I do). anyways - I was thinking, I wonder whether anyone had put together some kind of co working cooperative that featured a creche - so you can bring even your tiny (or not so tiny) baby to work (and others can too) and you share the cost of having someone look after them whilst you get some work done, do meetings etc. but you can also be close/on call for them. at first blush, it seems like a concept that should work you guys would know more about this than me tho'... what do you think? Leisa Leisa Reichelt Disambiguity.com Contextual Research, User Centred Design Social Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 778 071 2129 -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Who's Going To Burning Man?
On 8/21/07, Berislav Lopac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well to be honest, I'm against forced diversity as well. :) I've organized a conference earlier this year, quite similar to FOWA in fact, and guess what: we had no single speaker -- and I'd dare say even a single guest, but I haven't meet everyone in person -- who wasn't white. We had one female speaker and one female moderator, and a bunch of female attendees, but overwhelming majority was still male. Should we have strived for more diversity? I don't want to get off topic, but my belief is that higher diversity leads to higher quality, so if you don't care about quality you can ignore the importance of encouraging and supporting diversity. I know that community efforts like BarCamp and Coworking are made better, more whole and more applicable because they appeal to a wide and diverse audience and that the more we make these efforts inclusive of all kinds of people, the stronger and better each will become. I furthermore believe (and have experienced) that a little mindfulness and effort will go a long way to relieving the white boy club syndrome I've mentioned. Sadly, too many white boy organizers don't make any extra effort to reach outside their sphere of awareness or work to bring in or make accommodations for people who are not like them, thereby perpetuating the cycle. What can I say? Some people like to mate within the family tree, others are more comfortable branching out. In any case, if you think that you have to force diversity, you may already be a lost cause. You shouldn't have to force diversity any more than you force people to attend. If you don't make people feel welcome it's highly unlikely they'll want to come, in which case you would, indeed, have to force them. But, as I said, a little common courtesy, respect, open-mindedness and effort can pay rather rich dividends, both in the quality of your attendees and in the quantity of your potential income. Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Who's Going To Burning Man?
If you want to hang out in sterile, corporate-ville executive suite style cubicles you're more than welcome. In fact I think your needs are already being well served. For those of us who want a choice and some influence on the environments in which we work, I think coworking is providing ideas and tactics for meeting that need. ;) The Burner spirit is an example that we can certainly learn from economically. (Though hopefully we don't inherit the hygenic norms of the event.) Chris Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Berislav Lopac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 19, 8:53 pm, Jacob Sayles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd love to meet up with other space owners catalysts if anyone is headed to Nevada next week. I knew it. The whole coworking things is nothing but a neo-hippy make work no war ploy. ;) Berislav --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworker Agreement
There's also the matter of liability, which is probably of serious importance. That is, should anything happen to a tenant's things (theft, damage, fire/disaster, etc) that Alex or the landlord should have minimal responsibility -- essentially that the tenants are responsible for securing their effects. In adition to that, as you've mentioned, setting up a pay schedule and remedies for tardy payments is probably a good idea, as well as reserving the right to change the rent with a certain number of days' notice and so on. Ideally this document could be written like an FAQ or memorandum of understanding -- or even a simple letter that should be signed by each tenant. While lengthy agreements with legalese are in vogue, I wouldn't mind seeing a gentler kind of document that sets out the right bits, but in a readable, conversational tone, and that doesn't necessarily go into all the myriad possibilites of things that could wrong and disclaims them, but instead lays things out clearly and in the interest of shared understanding. Given that, Alex, maybe you could list things, in outline form, that you think must be covered by such a document? Chris Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2007, at 11:28 PM, NathanaelB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok so the purpose of the agreement is to, what, ensure the lease payments are met? Are you concerned that they won't be? Would some sort of leasesure insurance/protection be an acceptable substitute? I don't have or know of anything - but if it's only for the landlord's peace of mind then you won't need anything overly complex. As long as it's an agreement that commits parties to a certain level ($ or %) of contributions for a minimum period of time and measures in place to handle inability to contribute to payments - should be sufficient; couple of pages? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Sounds great, but out of my price range...
Hi Erin, I think you'll be hard pressed to find any kind of permanent desk arrangement for less than $200-250 a month. When we started coworking -- we had done an informal survey of existing offerings and most were in the $500-1000 range -- albeit for executive suites. We knew that we were competing with cafes (i.e. free) but that we also needed to make rent and then have some money left over for space improvements. As it is, Citizen Space is losing money [1], but we've fortunately built that into Citizen Agency's overall business model. The same may or may not be true of Coworking Berkeley and others, but, as a potential coworking community member, you might also consider the costs of running these spaces and how, those who get involved now can help drive both the development of this community as well as lower the cost through increased patronage. As for themed coworking, we certainly acknowledge that shared workspaces are not novel and have existed for a long time, primarily in the artist and writer communities. One group you might check in with is the SF Groto [2]. It's unclear whether they're accepting new tenants, but it is an example of a themed or community-specific shared workspace. Good luck and keep us posted on your findings! Chris [1] http://citizenspace.us/2007/03/20/baring-it-all-the-costs-of-citizen-space/ [2] http://www.sfgrotto.org/ On 7/30/07, Erin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll definitely drop by the party on Friday! I've been exploring my co- working options around the East Bay, and was about to start looking for an office on my own when I noticed this thread -- that's fantastic that you're starting up a new place! I'm wondering if folks with a more limited budget have looked for or found cheaper office space in the Oakland-Berkeley area; I can't really afford more than $200-250 a month for a desk space. Any other co-workers who want to look for something cheap? Also: anyone here know of co-working offices that have been set up for specific types of work? I'm a freelance editor and writer, and I think it would be fantastic to share a space with a group of other freelancers working in the publishing world. Erin Wiegand [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://erinwiegand.com -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Space in Berkeley, CA
Chris, the site looks great! Are you selfhosting? Chris On 7/29/07, Christopher Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/07, rekz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to come check it out sometime, if you've got spaces still available. We do have space available. Check out www.BerkeleyCoworking.com for address and info. Drop-ins are also available this week, but we don't have an organized schedule yet. -- Christopher Allen -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking wiki password and technical contact.
Hi Sam, Sure, I'm always looking to improve our spam-fighting tactics on the wikis we use... feel free to ping [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] with advice and suggestions! Chris On 7/2/07, Samuel Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, Would you ever be interested to possibly explore other wiki options beyond PBWiki? Or, alternatively, maybe the PBWiki folks need a hand with anti-wiki-spam measures? Hopefully I won't drift too far into techical waters, and away from coworking, but there may be some simple to implement anti spam measures that PBWiki could employ, that have worked quite well on other wiki engines, like content banning, open proxy banning, banning IP ranges, pooling spam link content (even if just done among hosted pbwikis, this could create a large shared resource of banned content, banned IP's, etc) I'm interested in talking to PBWiki people about this, if you think they are interested. I've had experience with fighting spam in both totally open (non-login) and more protected wikis. I also see that PBWiki has an API, and maybe some of the solutions that have worked for Perl wikis like OddMuse and UseMod, and Ruby wiki like Ruse, and PHP wikis like Dokuwiki, could work for PbWiki? Just some ideas, anway...back to your regularly scheduled Coworking... On May 8, 4:36 pm, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...or not! Apparently the old password is too guessable by PBWiki's terms, so I've kept it as the new password: c0w0rking Sorry for the inconvenience. Chris On 5/8/07, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You came to the right place...! Due to a number of spam/abuse issues lately, I changed the password to something less obvious, but I suppose I'll change it back now and see how we fare. Chris On 5/8/07, vsedach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, The coworkingwikidoesn't seem to be taking the coworking password anymore. I couldn't find a contact info for the administrator so I'm posting here for help. I guess after the password is restored, whoever is administering thewikishould put their contact info on the front page. Vladimir -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work:http://citizenagency.com Blog:http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work:http://citizenagency.com Blog:http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: A different take on coworking
+1! If you could add this to the coworking wiki... under CoworkingNewYork -- and then perhaps under a new page... OrganicCoworking that'd be great. This idea also fits well with our hope to spread the concept of Green Coworking: http://www.worldchanging.com/local/sanfrancisco/archives/006980.html Great idea! Chris On 7/1/07, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gosh, Jeff, that is a very cool suggestion! Sounds a bit like what we were trying to do with Winecamp...although it was more generally about non-profits. LOVE the idea. So, when are you shooting for? Tara On 7/1/07, jeffarch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings! Excuse the brain dump, but I'm going to repost some info from other sites and discussions I've had recently. My goals are very similar to what I've read about coworking, but with a few added dimensions. All this is mostly just brainstorming on my part, but is indeed an option for the facilities I have available. --- This is a post I made a couple years ago on my fossilized http://www.openideaproject.org/ site: Organic farming meets Free Open Source Software? Learn organic farming during a guerilla coding retreat. Learn programming, networking and other home-grown computer skills while building an organic garden. Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) IS the computer world's organic gardening. They would be like whole grain bread and thermal grease...perhaps not. Both tend to favor non-commercial, royalty/ patent/IP safe, collaborative methods. Combine these ideas to get geeks eating organic produce and organic farmers building wifi mesh networks. World Wide Opportunities on Organic Farms (WWOOF - http://www.wwoof.org/) is an organization that provides volunteers to work and learn on organic farms in exchange for room and board. Programmers and other technologists who believe in FOSS often work to fund their contributions. Given the opportunity to code for food, would many geeks go for it? Free broadband! Host sites would provide room and board as well as equipment, materials, and transportation. Some WWOOF hosts are open to volunteers even during the winter months. Volunteers, for example, could contribute 5 6-hour days with one day a week doing something else. This could help foster a spirit of knowledge sharing. This could be putting up a tower for wifi antennas or deer-resistant fencing to help protect crops, teaching a class, firewood fetching, facility construction, or other community needs. Other volunteer opportunities could exist such as camp staff, tour guiding, or custodial work at community sites. From an IRC discussion on freenode's #esp last night: One of the things that came to mind regarding http://wiki.espians.com/Day_Riva and coworking, wrt WWOOF, is the aspect of building a location from scratch in the typical coworking situation as well as harvesting trees, making lumber, building structures, and more... really bootstrapping, and dealing with the same processes elsewhere. So the general idea is coworking to build a rural coworking space in rural upstate NY. It would share the traditional coworking day-use venue facilities with lodging, facilities for small seminars, conferences, and retreats. There would also be facilities for artists, writers, and the like. The http://wiki.espians.com/Day_Riva_Setup page is a list-in-progress of many of the aspects involved in the planning and development of the project. Comments, suggestions, and more brainstorming is appreciated. Jeff Archambeault jjarchambeault at gmail dot com -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Facebook API
I definitely think that there's promise here... and something worth thinking about. If we were to kick off that conversation, what functionality would you want in Facebook to facilitate coworking? Chris On 5/25/07, BrianR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coworking group on Facebook http://www.f8.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2281332482 Thanks for the tips Jay! On May 25, 11:01 am, JayNeely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For anyone that's interested, I rounded up the best of the coverage I could find and put it on my blog:http://socialstrategist.com I think Facebook opening up could definitely benefit online coworking groups. Has anyone made one on Facebook? Some of the services a Facebook Coworking group would now have access to are Ma.gnolia for social bookmarking, box.net for file sharing, Lending Club and Prosper for microloans or other funding, and yackpack for voice discussions. ~Jay On May 21, 10:24 pm, BrianR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could the Facebook API help Coworking? A big part of my coworking space strategy is helping people get connected online and offline. Leveraging the tools that Facebook already has might do this.http://developers.facebook.com/ Pro? Cons? -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Facebook API
;) I'll be working with Jacob this weekend on how Coworkination will integrate with Facebook for sure. Just curious how other folks would like to use Facebook to improve their participation with the coworking network. Already I can see how the new Plazes will help coworking with their Groups feature... somewhere between Plazes and Facebook and Coworkination, I think we'll be getting somewhere. Chris On 5/25/07, Brad Neuberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, you're the perfect person to prototype some cool mashup between coworking and the new Facebook API :) I can't wait to see it. Brad On 5/25/07, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I definitely think that there's promise here... and something worth thinking about. If we were to kick off that conversation, what functionality would you want in Facebook to facilitate coworking? Chris On 5/25/07, BrianR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coworking group on Facebook http://www.f8.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2281332482 Thanks for the tips Jay! On May 25, 11:01 am, JayNeely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For anyone that's interested, I rounded up the best of the coverage I could find and put it on my blog:http://socialstrategist.com I think Facebook opening up could definitely benefit online coworking groups. Has anyone made one on Facebook? Some of the services a Facebook Coworking group would now have access to are Ma.gnolia for social bookmarking, box.net for file sharing, Lending Club and Prosper for microloans or other funding, and yackpack for voice discussions. ~Jay On May 21, 10:24 pm, BrianR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could the Facebook API help Coworking? A big part of my coworking space strategy is helping people get connected online and offline. Leveraging the tools that Facebook already has might do this.http://developers.facebook.com/ Pro? Cons? -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Facebook API
Yep, stay tuned for Thursday: http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB117971397890009177-wjdKPmjAqS_9ZZbwiRp_CoSqvwQ_20070620.html Chris On 5/21/07, BrianR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could the Facebook API help Coworking? A big part of my coworking space strategy is helping people get connected online and offline. Leveraging the tools that Facebook already has might do this. http://developers.facebook.com/ Pro? Cons? -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Announcing: Coworking in San Jose!
+1! Whoohoo! On 5/10/07, Brad Neuberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awesome! Brad On 5/10/07, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yay! Congrats Erica! This rawks! We'll have to come up and join you for a day! RU planning an event to celebrate? T. On 5/11/07, Erica Douglass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am pleased to announce that our office in downtown San Jose is now available for coworking! We've worked hard to make our space suitable for those of you who need some space to work in. All of our offices/cubicles are set up with desks and chairs so you can start working right away (BYO computer. :) We have: 2 cubicles 1 private office that willl fit 2-3 people 1 private office that will fit 1 person I've put complete details up on the coworking wiki at http://wiki.coworking.info/CoworkingSanJose I've also emailed everyone who had already emailed me and expressed interest in coworking here in downtown San Jose. We're looking for coworkers who are interested in paying a monthly fee for full office space. Currently, the office is not set up for drop-in use, though we may change this in the future. We're happy to have you drop in for a day or so if you are interested in coworking with us on a more permanent basis. Please email me back directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are interested! Thank you, and we look forward to coworking with you. Erica Douglass Owner, Simpli Hosting, Inc. http://www.simpli.biz/ -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Business Plan
. Jacob Sayles Nomad Founder officenomads.com On 5/4/07, brydon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to put together a business plan to support the real estate financing to get a space in Guelph, Ontario for coworking. Does anyone have any advice or resources on determining a realistic workspaces/members ratio? For example, if you have 10 workspaces plus some solid common space then you can realistically support 30 full time members. thanks, brydon -- - -- - Alex Hillman web.developer.innovation.consultant vocal: 484.597.6256 digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual:www.weknowhtml.com|www.dangerouslyawesome.com local:www.independentshall.org -- It's it and that's that. - Ancient Chinese Proverb Greg Pederson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- It's it and that's that. - Ancient Chinese Proverb Greg Pederson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking wiki password and technical contact.
...or not! Apparently the old password is too guessable by PBWiki's terms, so I've kept it as the new password: c0w0rking Sorry for the inconvenience. Chris On 5/8/07, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You came to the right place...! Due to a number of spam/abuse issues lately, I changed the password to something less obvious, but I suppose I'll change it back now and see how we fare. Chris On 5/8/07, vsedach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, The coworking wiki doesn't seem to be taking the coworking password anymore. I couldn't find a contact info for the administrator so I'm posting here for help. I guess after the password is restored, whoever is administering the wiki should put their contact info on the front page. Vladimir -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Berlin starts an international coworking network
Well, it's certainly slick... but I couldn't figure out heads or tails what it's all about... maybe a rent-an-office platform? What I wouldn't give for a 37Signals-esque 15 word description... Chris On 5/6/07, PetePanic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check out: http://www.thebusinessclass.net -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking wiki hijacked
Turns out that I hadn't set a different contributor password from the admin password and that's how we got hijacked. I changed the admin password and reset the contributor password to the old password, but replaced the o's with zeros. Once I confirm all is well, I'll send out a new post with this info. Chris On 5/3/07, Thomas Buell Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a new password. The old one doesn't seem to work. I tried a few times. I agree about concealing the password somehow and revealing to people who request it. It's a shame to limit access, but the spam gets annoying. I think Wikipedia's learning the hazards of anonymity, too. Nothing wrong with accountability. - Tom www.thinktankpittsburgh.com On May 2, 5:20 pm, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds reasonable. Thanks for your continued vigilance and support, David. It does seem like we've created some rather valuable properties. ;) On 5/2/07, David Weekly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear this is happening across PBWiki. It is not systemic, but there are a handful (~10) of very high-profile wikis which have persistent eastern European spammers, some of which is being done by hand and some scripted. Nathan has been spending about half of his time for the past two weeks improving our heuristics to defeat this behavior. It will be impossible for us to catch 100% of it automatically, however, so admins on popular public wikis with posted passwords will need to be vigilant, just like on Wikipedia. -David -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work:http://citizenagency.com Blog:http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking outside philadelphia--- new place, any takers?
The more the merrier! In fact multiple spaces in a single metropolitan area is something to be pursued and encouraged because there's a lot of hidden demand that more visible spaces could unearth. I'd strongly encourage you all to get together and tradeoff regular coworking meetups at your respective spaces, both to drum up interest but to also stoke the embers of your fledgling coworking community. The potential for local networking is also great -- and would serve as a great model for other cities. Do keep us posted! Chris On 5/2/07, Alex Hillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tracy, I'm currently working on organizing and opening a coworking space downtown, but there have been a number of people in the suburbs that have been interested in having something similar available without commuting downtown. I could see our efforts being parallel, and possibly sharing some resources. You should check out our site @ www.indepenentshall.org, join our list @ http://groups.google.com/group/independentshall, or write me off-list. Cheers, Alex On 5/2/07, tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi--- After learning about coworking out in San Francisco, I brought the idea up to my family who owns a spacious office building approx. 20 min north of center city philadelphia and they really liked the idea. The office consists of one huge room with cubicles and wall dividers (about 14.) There are private offices around the perimeter as well as a lounge area with couches, stereos, tv, etc. There's is a full kitchen, 2 bathrooms, and a reception area. There is high speed WIFI, copying machines, scanners, printers, a projector, and access to a conference room. There is plenty of parking and the office is located across the street from Alverthorpe Park. The environment is friendly, laid-back, and dog-friendly (depending on whether our akita likes your pet or not!) Right now, there is an independent record label working here. Would anyone be interested in starting a coworking community here? We were thinking of having a set rate for membership where people could work at the cubicles and/or lounge area. The conference room and private, lockable office would be available on a monthly or daily rate. Please let me know, Thanks, tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - -- - Alex Hillman web.developer.innovation.consultant vocal: 484.597.6256 digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual: www.weknowhtml.com | www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.independentshall.org -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking wiki hijacked
Sounds reasonable. Thanks for your continued vigilance and support, David. It does seem like we've created some rather valuable properties. ;) On 5/2/07, David Weekly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear this is happening across PBWiki. It is not systemic, but there are a handful (~10) of very high-profile wikis which have persistent eastern European spammers, some of which is being done by hand and some scripted. Nathan has been spending about half of his time for the past two weeks improving our heuristics to defeat this behavior. It will be impossible for us to catch 100% of it automatically, however, so admins on popular public wikis with posted passwords will need to be vigilant, just like on Wikipedia. -David -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Second Life/Virtual Coworking
NASA's CoLab has a SL component. Maybe Andy Hoppin will chime in with more details... Chris On 5/2/07, Steve Purkiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jay, I'm not sure about the original coworking space - I did visit it once a long time ago when I was living nearby, but then financial probs hit and I lost my 48ksqm land and account :( I'm back on now, and have a little land which you guys are free to hang out at - it's just building blocks at the moment but if there's any decent builders out there then I'd be happy to open up the restrictions. It's at Cheonma 116, 24, 69. I'm 'Bubbly Aero', the good-looking blonde ;) I had an idea a while back which I got a domain for but haven't expanded on yet - sllinkedin.com - connecting SecondLife and LinkedIn users. The goal was to fund an island through memberships - I thought there'd be a few people on LinkedIn who have the $$$ to put into something like that - perhaps that could be a good longer term idea for the coworking stuff too? Let me know if you wanna use the land, I can work out how to group assign it. It's only 512sqm so I don't have to pay land usage fees, but it's better than nowhere (and has lasted me through nowhere in real life!!!). Steve On 5/2/07, JayNeely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, I know there used to be a coworking facility in Second Life, built by Lev Kamenev. As recently as February it was included in a Business Week Online article and it's even hidden away on the Coworking Wiki, though I haven't seen a link to it on the front page. But when I've tried using the SL URL to go to it, I'm not finding it there. A search within Second Life for Coworking turns up nothing as well. Am I looking in the wrong place? If not, and the space has simply vanished, is there interest in creating a new one? Especially now that awareness of coworking is higher than in the past? Finally, do you think that there are better ways to support virtual global coworking? SecondLife may not have the whiteboard or collaboration features of web conference tools, but it does provide a place that people can know to go to, clear presence features, communication tools, the ability to create any kind of ambience, and with effort and ingenuity, the ability to extend this tool to create almost any other feature needed. But if there are tools more suitable to coworking, what are they, and is there interest in creating a coworking community using them? Relevant Links: http://lev-kamenev.blogspot.com/2006/11/coworking-in-second-life.html http://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/02/0227_coworking/index_01.htm?campaign_id=msnbc_workplace http://coworking.pbwiki.com/CoworkingSecondLife http://secondlife.com/ ~Jay Neely -- Steve Purkiss http://www.freshconnection.info - creating the world's first organic open source networking cafe http://www.open4.org - the network that pays you to participate -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Second Life/Virtual Coworking
If someone would, I'd love to post an entry about CoworkingSL to the Coworking Blog. Any authors? On 5/2/07, Riccardo Cambiassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo! I built quite a huge ship that is to be a lab for various form of social interaction in a virtual world. In particular it's got a quite big loung area with screens and big desks, it should be perfect to host a coworking experiment! I can also set up a few meeting rooms (even if I still have to find out how to make them totally private). Also, we could try something in the beta grid, that is voice-enabled. Feel free to pop by, Bzaar I - the ship - is still to be officially opened but it is located on Vulcano (134, 101, 267). R On 5/2/07, Steve Purkiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jay, I'm not sure about the original coworking space - I did visit it once a long time ago when I was living nearby, but then financial probs hit and I lost my 48ksqm land and account :( I'm back on now, and have a little land which you guys are free to hang out at - it's just building blocks at the moment but if there's any decent builders out there then I'd be happy to open up the restrictions. It's at Cheonma 116, 24, 69. I'm 'Bubbly Aero', the good-looking blonde ;) I had an idea a while back which I got a domain for but haven't expanded on yet - sllinkedin.com - connecting SecondLife and LinkedIn users. The goal was to fund an island through memberships - I thought there'd be a few people on LinkedIn who have the $$$ to put into something like that - perhaps that could be a good longer term idea for the coworking stuff too? Let me know if you wanna use the land, I can work out how to group assign it. It's only 512sqm so I don't have to pay land usage fees, but it's better than nowhere (and has lasted me through nowhere in real life!!!). Steve On 5/2/07, JayNeely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, I know there used to be a coworking facility in Second Life, built by Lev Kamenev. As recently as February it was included in a Business Week Online article and it's even hidden away on the Coworking Wiki, though I haven't seen a link to it on the front page. But when I've tried using the SL URL to go to it, I'm not finding it there. A search within Second Life for Coworking turns up nothing as well. Am I looking in the wrong place? If not, and the space has simply vanished, is there interest in creating a new one? Especially now that awareness of coworking is higher than in the past? Finally, do you think that there are better ways to support virtual global coworking? SecondLife may not have the whiteboard or collaboration features of web conference tools, but it does provide a place that people can know to go to, clear presence features, communication tools, the ability to create any kind of ambience, and with effort and ingenuity, the ability to extend this tool to create almost any other feature needed. But if there are tools more suitable to coworking, what are they, and is there interest in creating a coworking community using them? Relevant Links: http://lev-kamenev.blogspot.com/2006/11/coworking-in-second-life.html http://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/02/0227_coworking/index_01.htm?campaign_id=msnbc_workplace http://coworking.pbwiki.com/CoworkingSecondLife http://secondlife.com/ ~Jay Neely -- Steve Purkiss http://www.freshconnection.info - creating the world's first organic open source networking cafe http://www.open4.org - the network that pays you to participate -- Riccardo CAMBIASSI mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.codewitch.org -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coffeeshops Suck!
Wow, that's a great article speaking to many of the core reasons we started promoting coworking spaces around the world --i'm glad that we're well ahead of the curve on this -- but I do think a worthwile challenge is to define and promote a positive and productive relationship with such cafes. Chris On 5/1/07, mjayg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, that is not exactly what the article says but it was an interesting article... http://www.psfk.com/2007/04/is_the_bedouin_.html I actually met someone at a Starbucks for a meeting tonight and people were looking at us as we talked as if we were being rude. Heh. Of course I had to stand around for 15 minutes until someone gave up a table. Sigh. -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: co-working in São Paulo, Brazil
And, make sure that you add yourself to the Coworking Wiki as interested in CoworkingSaoPaulo: http://wiki.coworking.info Welcome to the group! Chris On 4/27/07, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Renato! This is totally cool...I've been wanting to go to Brazil. You are creating another excuse for Chris and I! :) Answers-ish: the question is: i haven't found this info, but could anyone tell me if somebody's already got a sponsorship for the project in any city, or some kind of support of some coffee-shop owner? 1. The group in Paris (Silicon Sentier) is building their coworking space with the support of the municipal government and a large corporation's innovative division You may want to contact them directly: louis at af83 dot com may be able to help you out. 2. In SF, we started our project talking to a coffee-shop owner (ritual roasters) who was totally supportive of us opening a place next door. She wanted to support the local indie tech community, but couldn't afford the power bills and the fact that people would come in, buy one coffee and muffin and sit in her shop for 8 hours. This way, they could buy their food and coffee, then come next door to work, freeing up space in her shop for more coffee lovers. Unfortunately, the guy who owned the repair shop next door wasn't willing to budge. :( Fortunately, we just found an affordable (2) space(s) and bankrolled it all ourselves without much overhead. and, I mean, is that the idea? or people who wants to co-work are sharing the costs for their own? Depends on your situation. I'm sure others will pipe in here with their stories. second question: is the co-work project also some kind of 'collaborative co-creative network': I mean, you 'get there', and join somebody who you don't know to work 'bout something which is already going on? That's the goal someday. We already do this 'loosely', but nothing formalized. Citizen Agency (our company) is working on something right now that will network the spaces, provide information for emerging spaces (and, hopefully resources) and then a network for everyone to connect in this way. In that way, a ruby developer can post skills and availability so that when someone else needs a ruby developer, they can find one another. But that is a few months away at least. For now, that happens on this list informally. Or just a place to work alone, along with some other people, working on their own? I think, generally, more of this happens. In our space, anyway...the collaboration takes place ad hocly and as needed. did I make myself clear? can anyone help me on this stuff? thx! ;) Renato Lacastagneratte PS: third question: is there already anyone from Brazil in this group? let's talk! Tara -- Sincerely, Tara --- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: The Hive Is [nearly] Alive
Wow, the space looks amazing! Can't wait to visit! Not to be nosy, but do you have plans to publish how you set things up and how you're handling finances and the like? Chris On 4/24/07, Luter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After 90 very busy days, we are ready to open the doors of The Hive's Denver location on May 1st. We have updated the Wiki, and added a photo tour of the [nearly] completed space this morning. All in all, we are ecstatic with the results. After opening sign-ups on Friday, we are already nearly half full - and expect to continue to add tenants daily. If you are in Denver, and would like a tour, drop me a line and I would be happy to meet you for a walk-through. www.hivecoop.com -- Andrew Luter -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Buddies - Add Your Info!
Hmm, couldn't we use something like Frappr? I guess having this data on a map would be somewhat more interesting or useful, right? Chris On 4/11/07, mjayg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at the wiki but didn't see a way to sort things. Probably a way to pull the spreadsheet into the wiki... Open to suggestions though. On Apr 11, 11:35 pm, Erica Douglass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm...couldn't we just make a new page on the coworking wiki as a contact list? I'm generally opposed to scattered information. -Erica On 4/11/07, mjayg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I set up a public Google Spreadsheet called Coworking Buddies for people to add their contact info and interests. Basically, I thought it would be good to have a list of people with similar interests who might want to meet in small groups if there is not a permanent coworking area available at the moment... http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pcUQktkkAbLcUeq4QAGRxQQ Let me know what you think, THANKS!!! -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Reserved desks
And, I would also carefully consider the draw of a space without regulars. We called them anchors in the beginning for a reason: they are the foundation around which the space operates. With the non-anchored model, I think you end up being more like a Kinko's -- really useful, but not a place that draws. Given that coworking is about working *around* other people, especially as you're getting started, you're going to want at least 3 core regulars who are committed to being there and keeping the space interesting. I hate to say it, but it's like social networks: people want to be where their friends are -- and people who share interests and/or life patterns. One more thing: you're planting a space and you need the seeds you plant to sprout and take root and then provide fertile ground for others to do the same. I would just encourage you to think about the social atmosphere of a space -- and how the early anchors can set the mood and be real assets for the subsequent growth. Cheers, Chris On 4/8/07, Brad Neuberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; I know for me having a reserved space is important, because I have ergonomic equipment that I'd rather leave at a space. Also, some people have large flat screens that they would like to leave. It's also nice to leave a reference book or two. Best, Brad On 4/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Going through various combinations of memberships for the projected space in Montréal I've recently started to wonder about an assumption we'd made. We plan on having 3 membership levels; - $295 Full access with reserved workspace (desk, locking file cabinet, you can keep a screen there for example) - $200 Flex plan that includes 30 hours at a desk that you book ahead as needed (through the site) - $125 Flex plan for 15 hours (we'll also have walk-ins) The assumption I'm wondering about is the reserved workspace. Wetter you're already using a coworking space, planning one, whatever, I'd like to know; do you feel you need a reserved space always exclusively for you or is just booking one a couple of days ahead enough? In other words, do you (or do you plan to) need enough stuff (the second screen being the big one I'd wager) around that you can't move around from day to day or week to week? Citizen Space has full on anchors with their own desk, Workspace in Vancouver simply has desks you pick when coming in... -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Bandillero
Wow, that sounds really cool! One of our Citizen Coworkers at Citizen Space is really into music stuff... I bet he'd love to chat with you guys. Colin? On 4/8/07, MattCoop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my first post here, but I've been reading for a couple months now. I think the coworking philosophy/strategy/business model (or whatever it is) is awesome, and I can't wait to attend one in NYC (if my work schedule ever permits). I'm also starting my own project with some friends related to the music industry, and I think there will be lots of opportunities for cooperation here. Our site is called Bandillero. We want to help bands form micro- enterpises so that they can more effectively collaborate on concerts, tours, and distribution without having to sign a record deal first. Basically, we want to replace megalithic record labels that exploit the artists they sign and marginalize the ones they don't. It's what MySpace would have been if it hadn't lost its way. The coworking model would be perfect for helping bands create shared practice/performance spaces and production studios (like The Tank but more band-focused). I'm especially intrigued by your project to design software to cooperatively manage coworking spaces. I think the functionality of the two groups' platforms will have a lot of overlap. Thoughts? -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Good (or bad) examples of presentations on starting one?
What makes you think that coworking could or couldn't work anywhere? Seems to me coworking can work just about anywhere, depending on your success model. I've not been to Louisville, I just wouldn't discount the idea that these grassroots efforts can sprout up in places where you'd least expect them to! Chris On 4/5/07, David Doolin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it really hard to envision coworking working in Louisville. Maybe there is more urban culture now than there was back when. What neighborhood are you looking to set up in? Have you considered New Albany? It's pretty funky and laid back, might be perfect. On 4/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any examples of any good (or bad) presentations on starting a Coworking space? I've actually have a meeting with someone from the local city government about trying to get some help creating one in Louisville and would love to see presentations others have done. Thanks, Michael B. -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Good (or bad) examples of presentations on starting one?
Heh, exactly. The point is to create the economic conditions that we need to pursue doing what we each love to do; things are such that we should now have the ability to choose what and how we want to spend our lives. Coworking and BarCamp are both economic catalysts being lead by local community drivers who are meeting, syncing and sharing through much of the backbone and availability and ubiquity of modern web technologies. But, we're only now just beginning. For, once we've created proven models in technologically and fiscally wealthy areas, it is our obligation to spread and reinvest this social capital all over the world. Or at least, that's what I think. ;) Chris On 4/6/07, David Doolin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What an outstanding conversation! Nancy: what would be really cool is if coworking became as much a *driver* to the economics as a reaction. Perhaps having viable coworking spaces in rural areas will induce more sustainable economic development in those areas. -d On 4/6/07, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll pipe in a bit here...I think we'd all love a diversity of people working together in coworking spaces, but the truth is that they take on different flavours with the different communities. Chris and I have actually spoken with people who run writers spaces in New York, artist spaces in Austin and SF, and professional spaces (the ones with doors and receptions)...and all of them have quite different needs. Not that it couldn't work. In fact, if someone made it work, I think it would be the best coworking space in the universe! We actually have Lee, who is a stilter/clown AND owns a really cool sustainable IT business in our space. He's actually talked about how he'd love to find a warehouse and open up an artist space for his Burner contacts to gather in. For networking and sense of membership, people do prefer gathering in spaces with others who they can identify with. Once again, it would be awesome to see more diversity, but in our experience, the biggest selling point for people finding coworking from around the world (and I'll be posting the results soon) is that it allows for the networking...not in the icky let's go to parties and hand out business cards and pitch people way, but in the building relationships with one another in a global geek community sort of way. T. On 4/6/07, nancy_tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a data point on cities and regions without a strong technical presence: My hometown of 2,000 is about 5 hrs from NYC and my folks are still there. In their neighborhood there are at least 3 remote tech workers that they know of: a Citibank intranet engineer, an IBM database guy, and a Microsoft marketing manager. They are all employees, not contractors or consultants, whose employing offices are a flight or two away. So I don't think it would be hard for any town to have a strong enough technical presence to warrant a tech-oriented co- working initiative of some sort. Let alone the local tech people, who are creating websites and software for local businesses and organizations. Nancy On Apr 6, 11:22 am, David Doolin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, here you are making an assumption: coworking mostly applies to information workers. For a coworking space to succeed in Louisville, or other cities and regions without a strong technical presence, I believe the local coworking community will need to broaden it's target market. Actually, I believe that's true of SF as well, and I would be delighted to share space with more artists, engineers, etc. agent provocateur Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: coworking in Mountain View, CA
Care to divulge your identity? ;) Chris On 4/5/07, cowork-mtv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any interest in coworking in downtown Mountain View? We might make some space available. -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Good (or bad) examples of presentations on starting one?
Hmm, good question! I'll ask around! Chris On 4/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any examples of any good (or bad) presentations on starting a Coworking space? I've actually have a meeting with someone from the local city government about trying to get some help creating one in Louisville and would love to see presentations others have done. Thanks, Michael B. -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Co-working in Johannesburg, South Africa
Hi Andre, Welcome to the list! It's great to have your contributions and experiences to learn from available to us! I think it's awesome that you've created such a resource for South Africans -- and am excited about the prospect of Habitaz spaces spreading. I'm curious if you're familiar with or have any connections to the local BarCampJosi community? Beyond that, turns out that Kenya has just had it's own BarCamp and I'm sure that you'll find souls of a similar mind wherever BarCamp spreads: http://barcamp.wordpress.com/2007/03/31/barcampkenya-this-weekend/ Thoughts? Chris On 4/1/07, Andre.Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, Google Alerts sent me your post this morning. The Google bots have an amazingly efficient connection to us! :-) I am a co-founder and M.D. of Habitaz Global Workspaces and rather flattered that you've found us so far away from our base in Joburg, South Africa. Habitaz is a 24/7 vibey blend between a community cafe (with only the best freshly ground Etheopian coffee), a business class lounge, hot - desking environment (like you would find at the likes of Accenture, KPMG or other progressive hot-desking consultancy firms), office suites, project rooms, meeting rooms and informal collaboration spaces. We aim to expand to 20 - 30 centres in South Africa and Africa, and are opening our second centre in the beautiful city of Cape Town towards the end of 2007. What makes Habitaz very different from incubators, and serviced office businesses is the rich services layer we offer (admin support, document printing and binding services, technology support, accounting services, call answering services, call centre services, car wash, errant services etc.) and our ability to develop our own systems for the facilities management and billing functions. We offer pre-paid (per hour) billing all the way up to monthly and annual contracts. I am pleased to say that the model works extremely well (the centre is very poular with start ups and mobile workers alike, and we have even signed on a few corporate mobile workers). We would be glad to share any experiences of what works (and the hundred thinks that didn't!) in making a shared work environment work. Free Your Business, Andre Sharpe On Mar 10, 2:19 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We found Habitaz a long time ago -- it's a really interesting business model -- and would love to bring those folks in this community so that they could share their experiences. If you have any connections to them, could you introduce them to the community? Chris On Mar 9, 1:22 am, Sky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this interesteing co-working venue inJohannesburg, South Africa recently. The mobile boom is really having an effect on how people work down here, especially because of Africa's long geagraphic distances. Although broadband rollout is still quite slow, the 3G mobile operators are all offering broadband services (at a price though!) Go and check out the Habitaz site atwww.habitaz.com -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Independents Hall/Philly Coworking
Great work Alex! Keep us posted -- and do what you can to document all the decision points you encounter along the way! Chris On 3/29/07, Brad Neuberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations! This looks awesome. On 3/29/07, Alex Hillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Coworkers! I just wanted to share some exciting announcements from Philly. First off, we had a meetup this past monday: http://upcoming.org/event/166996/ 14 RSVPs, about 20 people actually showed up. Where can you see pictures? On the new Independents Hall homepage, of course! http://www.independentshall.org Inspired by a site I did with Chris and Tara back in the fall, I'm aggregating content from our google group ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]), photos tagged 'independents hall', and blog posts tagged 'independents hall'. I am still thinking about other keywords to include, to keep the content more active (and not necessarily 'just' philly). If anyone has questions about the technology behind this site, feel free to ask me. Some time in the future I hope to clean up the code enough to open source the whole thing, but frankly, it's not difficult. Also...I've looked at one space and am going to look at 2 more in the next week. Additionally, I'm working with a partner on getting a meeting arranged with one of the partners of Philly Car Share to talk about some of my ideas for a partnership (if I can make this model work on a smaller scale with a private Non Profit car-share comapny, perhaps something with a company like zipcar could be put in place in the future with other cities). The people on my list (about 60-70% of whom attended the meetup on monday) are asking great questions, providing good ideas, and it's all really exciting to see all of this materialize. I've got some other questions for the list but wanted to hit you all with these links and thoughts for now...I'll pass more through in my next couple of messages. Cheers! -Alex -- - -- - Alex Hillman web.developer.innovation.consultant vocal: 484.597.6256 digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual: www.weknowhtml.com | www.dangerouslyawesome.com -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Seattle space search and meeting
Ah bummer! Hope he's alright. Meanwhile I've heard of a few other folks in Seattle who are interested, so definitely keep forging ahead! Chris On 3/22/07, MMDeaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been sidetracked from the search for space and getting people together for a meeting since my husband canned up on his bike on the way to work and ended up in the hospital. He ought to be home in a day or two and as soon as I get him settled, I can get back to this project. Mary -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: SF Chronicle Article on Cafe Bedouins
Hey Jay, thanks for the link. Posted my thoughts here: http://blog.coworking.info/2007/03/11/the-cult-of-the-bedouin-hacker/ Chris On 3/12/07, Quadmod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/03/11/MNGKKOCBA645.DTL (Note to self: Remind Niall that Lawrence of Arabia is a great movie but largely a fabrication http://www.telstudies.org/film/index.htm of the true Arab Revolt story... ;) ) -Jay Fichialos -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking at BarCampAustin
Why don't we meet outside in the open area? I'll try to get it on the schedule this morning... Chris On 3/10/07, lisa herrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep. where? On 10/03/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, tomorrow, 3:30-4:30 we're going to try to get together this coworking meeting at BarCampAustin. Who can make it? FYI, I added it here: http://coworking.pbwiki.com/Events Chris On Feb 27, 12:36 am, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sweet! Hey all, by way of reference, I just want to point out that Tara and I met (and have known) Christophe and Louis for some time and are top notch folks. Their involvement will be really helpful for moving this along and I encourage anyone else with visions of coworking apps to start jotting down ideas and blogging them or adding them to the wiki so that we can have as many ideas in the hopper as we push forward on this effort! Chris On 2/27/07, caguiton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi everyone, we'll two from paris (france), louis montagne and me. we'll open a coworking place in paris next may, and we are really interested to work on web tools. we'll arrive the 8th evening, and be there until the 11th. in solidarity, christophe aguiton On Feb 26, 10:06 pm, b_b_q_bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please count me in the discussion. I would welcome the opportunity to discuss the different business models out there as well as the support requirements. - Robert -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog:http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Co-working in Mill Valley?
Um, where's Mill Valley? ;) Chris On 3/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there's anyone interested in creating a co-working space in Mill Valley, let me know. Regards, -- Frank Leahy ([EMAIL PROTECTED] is my preferred email) -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking - Self Employed Health Insurance
Can we maybe create a page on the wiki to start documenting resources, ideas and the like? I don't know that we'll find a one-solution that fits all, but starting with educating ourselves would be great. http://wiki.coworking.info/Healthcare I also agree that geography is an issue to consider -- so it might also help to document what people have done in different places... Where the local goverment helps out, etc -- perhaps as a namespaced extension: CoworkingBrooklynHealthcare or something. In the long term, it'd be ideal if coworking community members were given at least three solid choices for affordable care -- and that, together, we could lower the rates for everyone by harnessing our collective purchasing power. It's a tall order, but no one seems to be likely to do it for us. Chris On 3/5/07, Gregory Heller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd mention AHIRC http://www.ahirc.org/ Access to Health Insurance / Resource For Care (CivicActions is in the process of working with them on a site redesign). They are a clearing house for health insurance information specifically for artists. My understanding of frlancers union is that it ain't cheap! upwards of $400 a month. Insurance rates fluctuate wildly based on age and city of residence. I would recommend that folks look at HDHPs (High Deductible Health Plans) combined with HSAs (Health savings accounts). Basically, you assume that as a young health person you are not going to have lots of chronic health care costs, so you get a catastrophic plan that will cover hospitalizations or any big unexpected stuff, then you save money before taxes in an HSA and you use that money to pay your deductibe, which might be as high as $2500. But since your plan costs you around 100 to 200 a month,, your annual health insurance payment is maybe around 2k and the 2500 that you put into the hsa stays there, and you can keep on adding to it up to a certain amount each year. Sorry if this isn't so clear. It's getting late, but i saw the question so figured i would chime in with some info. On 3/5/07, Brad Neuberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like a partnership situation is the best way to do this, to ease our own administration burdens. Possibly with NASE, the Freelancers Union, etc. Best, Brad On 3/5/07, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We actually just spoke with the Net Squared folks (a project of Compumentor.org) about this and they will be sending us some resources that we will pass along and look into. I think they said that one of them is called Working Solutions. They also have another package that gives us some options with creating a membership organization to get a bulk discount. T On 3/5/07, matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out your chamber of commerce. In Brooklyn, they will soon be offering health insurance to small biz AND sole proprietors. I've requested more details but it seems like it will be more affordable than the Freelancers Union. good luck, matthew http://theCoup.org On Mar 5, 10:34 am, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trinet is *expensive.* Last time I talked you needed 5 employees and it was $200/head pay to play. When I was at Riya.com, we used Trinet and I paid over $600/month to the health/dentalcare for family coverage (because I have a teenage son), and I still have hospital bills! It's so odd to me that there isn't a funded healthcare system here. I've taken it for granted for so long being a Canadian. Now, when something is wrong, I don't go to the doctor in fear of going broke. :| It would be awesome if something was in place for us. I could handle $200/month, personally, but I recognize that won't work for everyone, and that is part of the nightmare of administration. I'd love to hear more, Dave. There are so many indie workers and small companies out there that I'm positive that this has been looked at before. -- Sincerely, Tara --- tara 'miss rogue' hunt agent provocateur Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog:www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 agent provocateur Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com
[Coworking] Re: Coworking at BarCampAustin
Sweet! Hey all, by way of reference, I just want to point out that Tara and I met (and have known) Christophe and Louis for some time and are top notch folks. Their involvement will be really helpful for moving this along and I encourage anyone else with visions of coworking apps to start jotting down ideas and blogging them or adding them to the wiki so that we can have as many ideas in the hopper as we push forward on this effort! Chris On 2/27/07, caguiton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi everyone, we'll two from paris (france), louis montagne and me. we'll open a coworking place in paris next may, and we are really interested to work on web tools. we'll arrive the 8th evening, and be there until the 11th. in solidarity, christophe aguiton On Feb 26, 10:06 pm, b_b_q_bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please count me in the discussion. I would welcome the opportunity to discuss the different business models out there as well as the support requirements. - Robert -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Coworking at BarCampAustin
Hey all, A number of us want to get together to discuss coworking during SXSW and it seems to make sense that we do so during BarCampAustin. I wanted to put this out there and see who else might be interested. Topics of interest: * where are we at and where at we going with coworking * models that are currently working * improvement of our technology infrastructure (wiki, software, etc) * getting to know each other and promoting cross-coworking connections Alrighty, who's in? Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Coworking meetup at SXSW?
There was an off-list suggestion for a coworking meetup at SXSW in March. Who on this list is going and would be interested in meeting for drinks, etc? Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Bay Area Coastside coworking?
Best thing, now that you've posted to the list, is to add yourself to the wiki: http://wiki.coworking.info/CoworkingCoastside Add your contact info and what you're looking for -- with zip codes, etc -- and then list yourself on the homepage. Who knows, maybe Scoble'll show up. :) Chris On 1/5/07, Steve Portigal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coastside is one of those geographical terms that only people in that area are even familiar with. It's the area south and west of San Francisco, roughly Pacifica to Pescadero including Half Moon Bay, El Granada, Montara, Moss Beach. That's the area I'm in. I'd be interested in opportunities to be near other people in a working environment during the day. I'm not interested in driving, say, up to the City, for that purpose. Any ideas? Steve Portigal -- Portigal Consultinghttp://www.portigal.com -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Mac Software Holiday Discounts
I hope that this isn't considered an abuse of the list, but a project that I have *no affiliation with* (except that I'm a Mac fiend) is worth looking into, if you enjoy Mac software and want to legitimately purchase licenses at a 20% discount... http://www.macsanta.com/ For one thing, they've got SubEthaEdit and a bunch of other things on there. Anyway, since this effort supports independent Mac developers, I felt that our community is at least somewhat related to theirs and is worth supporting. Oh, and while we're on the topic of holiday giving, our friend from the Great White North and Toronto *camp community, Austin Hill, has launched a very inspiring project: http://www.billionswithzeroknowledge.com/2006/12/18/a-gift-to-the-internet-community/ http://www.gifter.org/ Ok, well, that's all for now. In the meantime, Tara and I will be coming through New York and Boston later this week and next if anyone's around or can point us to good stuff..! ;) Cheers and happy holidays, Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [X] bloggable[ ] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Branding/TLD domain!
+1! On 12/17/06, noel a hidalgo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WOOT!!! I like the drupal idea, but i think that CMSs should be whole new discussion. for now, i have http://wiki.coworking.info/ working and i went ahead and configured the wordpress thingy. it asked for $10; so i fed the meter. i hope http://blog.coworking.info/ starts working tomorrow. listening to the beach boys wishing for a place on the beach... On Dec 14, 2006, at 2:30 PM, sull wrote: what about a multi-blog platform like WordpressMU or Lifetype or drupal? On 12/14/06, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could go along with that. Has anyone talking to the coworking.org/com folks? Maybe they could spare a domain? Also, we could work with Ning on the clonable sites that Christophe mentioned. We're just getting started with citizenspace.ning.com but we could just mask the domains... Chris On 12/14/06, Brad Neuberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think coworki.ng is creative, but I agree that its hard to explain to non geeks :) coworking.info is probably the best. Brad On 12/14/06, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i agree that coworking.info is easiest and best choice as the default domain for all things coworking. On 12/14/06, Erica Douglass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/14/06, noel a hidalgo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, how in the h3ck do i register a ng domain!?!?!?! Googled register ng domain and found this: http://www.nigeriancomputersociety.com/domainregistration/ Apparently you can only do .com.ng, .net.ng, etc. BTW, my vote is for coworking.info. Simple and to the point. BTW, have you ever tried to explain a domain with strange punctuation verbally? It's bad enough for TLDs that aren't .com; my company's website is simpli.biz, for example, and that causes massive confusion. (We get a lot of customers trying to email simplibiz.com...should have registered that one as well.) coworking.info is easy to explain verbally because it doesn't have the weird punctuation. -Erica -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Branding/TLD domain!
I could go along with that. Has anyone talking to the coworking.org/com folks? Maybe they could spare a domain? Also, we could work with Ning on the clonable sites that Christophe mentioned. We're just getting started with citizenspace.ning.com but we could just mask the domains... Chris On 12/14/06, Brad Neuberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think coworki.ng is creative, but I agree that its hard to explain to non geeks :) coworking.info is probably the best. Brad On 12/14/06, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i agree that coworking.info is easiest and best choice as the default domain for all things coworking. On 12/14/06, Erica Douglass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/14/06, noel a hidalgo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, how in the h3ck do i register a ng domain!?!?!?! Googled register ng domain and found this: http://www.nigeriancomputersociety.com/domainregistration/ Apparently you can only do .com.ng, .net.ng, etc. BTW, my vote is for coworking.info. Simple and to the point. BTW, have you ever tried to explain a domain with strange punctuation verbally? It's bad enough for TLDs that aren't .com; my company's website is simpli.biz, for example, and that causes massive confusion. (We get a lot of customers trying to email simplibiz.com...should have registered that one as well.) coworking.info is easy to explain verbally because it doesn't have the weird punctuation. -Erica -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
