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Re: Affording an attorney...
At 06:32 PM 04/04/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: Note that there's NO stipulation about 'if you can't afford an attorney one will be appointed to you'. Whether you're rich or poor the state is OBLIGED to provide you an attorney. Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. There's not only no stipulation about whether you can afford counsel, there's no stipulation about the government paying for counsel, or about counsel having to be a licensed or trained attorney. It only says you're allowed to HAVE counsel. The business about the government paying for an attorney for you is based on the Supreme Court's *interpretation* of this amendment concluding that the right to bring counsel with you is pretty lame if you can't afford to pay counsel, and that therefore the government ought to pay for counsel for the indigent. There's also no right to insist that the government provide you with *good* counsel - public defenders have a reputation of providing service quality similar to government-funded health care, at best idealistic until they get too jaded, but the competent ones are overworked to the point that you still don't get great support. If you want to argue about assistance of counsel in cases like Jim Bell's, you're better off trying to argue that counsel should "assist", not "hinder", and that people who don't want the negative assistance of counsel that doesn't do what they want should be allowed to dump their PD, not be told that only the PD and not they themselves have the right to speak. (A quick read of Declan's description of one day of the trial sounded like Bell's counsel was trying to help, perhaps competently, and helping Bell is a tough job for anybody)
Re: CDR: RE: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk?
At 08:03 PM 04/03/2001 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: So, do the participants of this list wish to actually get something done with regard to securing privacy, or shall we just spin our wheels in internecine warfare? Well, we *could* act like good Libertarian party member and go for the internecine warfare (:-) As Kissinger once said, the reason academic politics is so vicious is because the stakes are so low, and that often applies to philosophically oriented parties, where it's calm rational Libertarians or loony Constitutionists or Trotskyites Jim Choate's characterization of Seth's opposition to Libertarianism isn't particularly precise or accurate, but Seth and Jim both do strongly disagree with various aspects of _L_ibertarian philosophy, _l_ibertarian philosophy and economics, and their adherents. Certainly if Libertarians can find reasons to passionately disagree with other libertarians and act like obsessive bull-headed kooks, non-Libertarians can do so as well :-) And if you're not sufficiently satisfied going after the level-headed mainstream academics like David Friedman, we'll be happy to find somebody out on the lunatic fringe to keep you occupied tweaking your favorite pet issues
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Re: CDR: Re: Jeff Gordon, Usenet, and the cypherpunks mailing list
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Harmon Seaver wrote: What does it take to get justice in the USA these days? Just a few hundred thousand dollars, contributed to the currently elected Czar. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
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HOUSE ENERGY AND COMMERCE COMMITTEE Computer Security Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee hearing on "Protecting America's Critical Infrastructure: How Secure are Government Computer Systems?" Witnesses: Ron Dick, director, FBIs' National Infrastructure Protection Center; Sallie McDonald, assistant commissioner, Office of Information Assurance and Critical Infrastructure Protection, GSA; John Tritak, director, Critical Infrastructure Assurance Office at Commerce Department; Robert Dacey, director, Information Security Issues at GAO; Tom Noonan, president and CEO, Internet Security Systems, Inc.; Glenn Podonsky, director, Office of Independent Oversight and Performance Assurance, Energy Department Location: 2322 Rayburn House Office Building. 9:30 a.m. Contact: 202-225-2927 http://www.house.gov/commerce
Re: Affording an attorney...
Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The last sentence most certainlly DOES say the state must pay for it, and in ALL criminal cases. That 'compulsory process' clause guarantees it. Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. Since there is no clause which states that I as the accused must pay for my own defence (which if you think about it for half a second goes against democratic philosophy in the first place, the burden is always on the accuser) I claim the right, under the 9th, that the state must pay. The state wishes to disagree? Much as I hate dirtying my hands by dipping into our current Choatian Black Hole, my reading of this is not that they *must* supply you with an attorney, but rather that the State cannot *deny* you one - if you show up with a lawyer, they cannot tell him to take a hike. Peter Trei
Jim Bell Trial: Second Day
Second Day: Jim Bell trial The second day of the Jim Bell trial opened up with D.A. London making a motion to tell the jury that Bell had owned firearms in the past although he hasn't had any since the 1997 trial. According to London, the fact that Bell had had a gun in the past was a reasonable basis for federal agents' current fear of Bell. Defense attorney Leen pointed out that free speech could be a cause for fear in some people, but that nobody would reasonably constrain speech. Leen said that firearms possession is constitutionally protected, and that this was true for Bell up until 1997. The fact that he was exercising a constitutionally-protected right could not be held against him. London said that the weapons were seized in 1997. Bell designated a friend to receive the firearms when the IRS returned them in 2000, which by definition would mean that Bell was no longer in possession of them. Leen pointed out that there was absolutely no evidence of current possession by Bell or of Bell contacting his friend regarding the weapons. Bell had made no attempt to acquire firearms. London suggested that Bell should retract his essay Assassination Politics. Bell protested the suggestion, and Judge Tanner threatened to either muzzle Bell or move him downstairs to a viewing room. London claimed that AP alone was a sufficient threat to the treasury agent witnesses. The court ruled that London could introduce the firearm evidence. The court then took up the matter of Bell's remaining subpoenas for Joanne Mayita and Anne Marie Evans, both of the U.S. Attorneys Office. London moved to quash the subpoenas. Leen pointed out that in-district subpoenas don't need to go through the court. Miyeta was the prosecutor for Ryan Lund's case. Bell believe Lund received consideration from the U.S. Attorney's Office to intimidate Bell while they were both incarcerated at the Seatac facility into signing a plea agreement in 1997. Evans was a prosecutor in the 1997 Bell case, and Bell claims that she was aware of the Lund deal. Tanner ruled to quash the subpoenas. After this ruling, Bell twice banged the defense table with his hand. Tanner warned that any subsequent display would mean removal, and ordered the downstairs viewing room to be prepared. Shortly thereafter, Tanner told Bell to move over one seat to the end of the table, leaving a chair between him and his attorney. His attorney asked that Bell be cuffed with an ankle cuff instead to the chair next to him so that Bell could still conference with him. Leen pointed out that the jury would not be able to observe the cuff. Leen requested limitation on testimony regarding Bell's prior legal possession of firearms. Leen also brought up the interlocutory issue again, mentioning that it was now on the briefing calendar for the ninth. The jury was brought in, and the first witness for the day, Robert William East was sworn in. East had been Bell's friend for 15 years, and was the person that the IRS released Jim's guns to. He testified that he picked up the firearms from the IRS' downtown Portland office in 2000 and had stored them with friends of his that Bell had no access to. The firearms included 2 SKSes, a Ruger Mini-14, and an SW 629. London introduced Exhibit 21, a set of lock picks. East testified that he had loaned Bell a tension wrench and a pick. East and Bell had used the set once to open a door at East's house, and then had never seen that wrench and pick again. (There was no evidence presented that the wrench and pick had been recovered from Bell's house in the 11/6/2000 raid.) East said that he wasn't sure when this occurred, but it was sometime before 6/24/96, the date of an email in which he and Bell mentioned the set. Leen objected based on relevancy. London pointed out that he was trying to show that because Bell could pick a lock, he was a credible threat to federal agents. On cross-examination, Leen asked if Bell had written to him while Bell was in prison. East said that Bell had, and that the letters contained requests to look up people's names. East stated that he wadded up the letters and threw them away without acting on them. In additional testimony, East said that there had been no discussion of lock picks since 1996. On re-examination, London asked East if he and Bell had discussed Sarin. He said that they had discussed methylphosphodiflouride and isopropyl alchohol as precursors. London brought up the Tokyo subway incident again, implying that Bell would use Sarin to gas federal agents. East replied that they had only discussed it in relation to the Tokyo incident and that they had researched it purely out of curiosity about current events. The next witness was Christopher John Groener, who lives in Mike McNall's former house. McNall is an IRS agent who Bell had been researching. Bell visited Groener's house in October, looking for McNall.
Re: CDR: Re: Affording an attorney...
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:23:33 -0400, Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:28:22PM -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: (A quick read of Declan's description of one day of the trial sounded like Bell's counsel was trying to help, perhaps competently, and helping Bell is a tough job for anybody) I think that's a fair description of Day I. By Day II, though, Leen seemed to miss some obvious (to me) technical questions that could be raised on cross. I also had the change to watch him more closely, and he seems to be doing a perfunctory job. He's almost communicating to the jury (and clearly communicating to the judge) that he believes his client is guilty but has the right to a trial. Over 95% of the objections that Jim's attorney has raised over the last 2 days have been overruled, where almost every one of the objections that the D.A. has raised have been sustained. It's pretty obvious that Judge Tanner hates Jim--partly because Jim hasn't shown the proper decorous respect to the judge--and Jim's attorney is fighting that as well as the prosecution. By yesterday afternoon, he looked totally demoralized. One of the people in the court who was reasonably friendly to Jim pointed out to him yesterday that instead of trying to prove a point, Jim should have spent his time trying to win his case. Leen has to deal with a client who is at least partly committed to a crusade. Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com
Slashdot | Republic.Com - Book Review
http://slashdot.org/books/01/03/25/1617212.shtml -- Adapt, Adopt, Improvise! - Anonymous Venimus, Vidimus, Delevimus - 1st Linux Motto, Anonymous Tivoli Certification Group, OSCT James Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Engineer512-436-1062
Slashdot | CPRM Lecture
http://slashdot.org/yro/01/04/05/139237.shtml -- Adapt, Adopt, Improvise! - Anonymous Venimus, Vidimus, Delevimus - 1st Linux Motto, Anonymous Tivoli Certification Group, OSCT James Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Engineer512-436-1062
Re: Jim Bell Trial: First Day
At 09:11 AM 4/4/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tanner then told Leen: "He [Bell] doesn't trust you." Leen: "He has great personal animosity." Tanner then told Leen that he had responded Bell well. Responded [to] Bell well or Represented Bell well ?? likely the latter..
Cypherpunks Web Archive
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Re: Day #2: U.S. v. Jim Bell report from federal court in Tacoma
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 12:33:54PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: - Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "It's still on the Internet today," London said during the second day of the trial in federal district court. "He has not retracted it." Maybe London would prefer China, where thought crime is punished by life in slave labor camps. During your communist "rebirth" process you are made to renounce your opinions on a daily basis. London said that while Bell may not have directly threatened IRS agent Jeff Gordon, "he has done it indirectly through 'Assassination Politics.'" Why don't they charge him with conspiracy to murder in the first degree then? Presumably because they don't have a case. Wait, conspiracy needs others involved, right? How about attempted murder? Bell has pleaded not guilty to five counts of interstate stalking that allegedly took place last year, saying he was legally assembling information about government agents he thought were participating in a conspiracy involving illegal surveillance. He is not accused of making direct threats or seeking physical confrontations. Now stalking has been expanded to passive activities like finding information about people. Many private detectives would be out of business if that were the case. Maybe Bell was simply going to complain to his congressman about them. Must be sure you have the exact Jeff Gordon. As evidence of Bell's malicious intent, London showed the jury a photograph of four guns that Bell legally owned up until the IRS raided him in April 1997 during a prior prosecution. The weapons: Two SKS rifles, a Smith Wesson 629 pistol, and a Ruger mini-14 rifle. And this was allowd into evidence? The court system is apparently nosediving quicker than I had previously thought. London characterized this as a collection of assault weapons that amounted to "serious firepower" and said, "That's what the agents were afraid of." They are afraid of guns they had already probably confiscated? Were they agaid Bell was going to break into BATF's evidence locker? That prompted an objection from Bell's attorney, Robert Leen. "(You're) asking the jury to draw an adverse infrerence from what was, at the time, an exercise of a constitutional right," Leen said. Woops. Thought crimes and ownership crimes. Maybe we are slowly being prepared for integration into a system like communist china. (maybe were half-way there) The government has not alleged that Bell owned firearms more recently than 1997. Bell pleaded guilty in July 1997 to interfering with IRS agents and using false Social Security numbers. Evil, evil, bad, nasty Jim Bell. I say he should be drawn and quartered. Wait, thats not good enough for him. U.S. District Judge Jack Tanner allowed the government to show to the jury photos of the weapons Bell once owned -- one rifle had a bayonet mounted on it -- and warned Bell that if he made any additional outbursts, he would be muzzled or hauled out of the room. His outburst probably had something to do with said "evidence" that had no bearing on the case. And bayonets? Holy shit, next thing you know Bell might have a hankering to put a sling on his rifle. Maybe a cleaning kit or two. Lord knows with all that equipment he wasn't just hunting rabbits. Bell had interrupted Leen a few times and pounded on the table two or three times to get Leen's attention. Bell also wrote "SHAM" on a white pad of paper and held it so spectators could see. Normal response to kangaroo trial proceedings. But it does piss of Judges. Mr Bell, you must learn how to handle those rigged trials with aplomb. London complained that some people were downloading public documents through the Pacer service provided by the federal court system, translating the graphical TIFF images into text, and posting the documents on a website. He warned that soon everything will be "splashed all over the Internet for all to see." Oh my f'ing god. On the Internet? Next we'll be asked to believe in evolution and a round earth. The prosecutor likened it to an illicit activity: "Transferring court documents from our computer onto the Internet." Just the next horseman of the infocalypse I say. Internet users, immanentizing the Eschaton! That got the attention of Tanner, an 82-year-old jurist with little patience for lawyers and even less patience for online open-records activists. He sealed the entire court file, including public documents like the charges against Bell, saying that "anything that's filed" will remain in his chambers. Hmmm. More like star chambers. Were it not for a jury, Tanner could simply pronounce him summarily guilty and be done with it. Not to worry though, its unlikely the jury
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Re: CDR: Re: Day #2: U.S. v. Jim Bell report from federal court inTacoma
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Jim Burnes wrote: Were it not for a jury, Tanner could simply pronounce him summarily guilty and be done with it. Not to worry though, its unlikely Of course, he may "instruct" them to deliver a guilty... the jury has any concept of their rights. Rights? Are you kidding? jim -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Method of elliptic curve cryptographic key exchange using reduced base tau expansion in non-adjacent form (fwd)
We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:49:40 +0200 From: "[iso-8859-1] Bo Elkjær" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Method of elliptic curve cryptographic key exchange using reduced base tau expansion in non-adjacent form A bit long, but very interesting: United States Patent 6,212,279 Reiter , et al. April 3, 2001 Method of elliptic curve cryptographic key exchange using reduced base tau expansion in non-adjacent form Abstract A method of cryptographic key exchange by two users agreeing on an elliptic curve of the form y.sup.2 +xy=x.sup.3 +ax.sup.2 +1, where "a" is a member of a field F.sub.2, where the elliptic curve is defined over a field F.sub.2 m, where m is an integer; agreeing on a point G as the base point of the elliptic curve, where the point G is of order q, and where q is an integer; generating a private integer x.sub.A by a first user; reducing x.sub.A by mod (.tau..sup.m -1) in the form of w+z.tau. by the first user; generating a base tau expansion, in non-adjacent form, of the modular reduced x.sub.A by the first user; multiplying G by the base tau expansion of the modular reduced x.sub.A ; transmitting the product to the second user; receiving, by the first user, a value y.sub.B from the second user that is based on a private integer x.sub.B of the second user, where the received value is computed in a similar manner as was the product transmitted to the second user; multiplying, by the first user, x.sub.A by the value received from the second user in order to form a common secret point; multiplying, by the second user, x.sub.B by the value received from the first user in order to form the common secret point; and the two users each deriving the same cryptographic key from the common secret point. Inventors: Reiter; Robert W. (Woodbine, MD); Solinas; Jerome A. (Westminster, MD) Assignee: The United States of America as represented by the United States National (Washington, DC) Appl. No.: 120800 Filed: July 23, 1998 Current U.S. Class: 380/278; 380/285 Intern'l Class: H04L 009/08; H04L 009/30 Field of Search: 380/278,283,285 References Cited [Referenced By] U.S. Patent Documents 4200770 Apr., 1980 Hellman et al.. 4567600 Jan., 1986 Massey et al.. 4587627 May., 1986 Omura et al.. 5159632 Oct., 1992 Crandall. 5271061 Dec., 1993 Crandall. 5272755 Dec., 1993 Miyaji et al.. 5351297 Sep., 1994 Miyaji. 5463690 Oct., 1995 Crandall. 5737424 Apr., 1998 Elteto et al.. 5761305 Jun., 1998 Vanstone et al.. Other References Blake et al, Elliptic Curves in Cryptography, 1999, Cambridge, London Mathematical Society Lecture Note Series 265, p. 76.* Solinas, An Improved Algorithm for Arithmetic on a Family of Elliptic Curves, 1997, CRYPTO '97 (Springer), pp. 357-371.* Meier et al, Efficient Multiplication on Certain Nonsupersingular Elliptic Curves, 1992, CRYPTO '92 (Springer), pp. 333-344.* Koblitz, CM-Curves with Good Crytographic Properties, 1991, CRYPTO '91 (Springer), pp. 279-287.* Weyl, Algebraic Theory of Numbers, 1940, pp. 94-97.* Weisstein, The CRC Concise Encyclopedia of Mathematics, 1998, p. 1295.* Francois Morain, Jorge Olivos, "Speeding Up the Computations on an Elliptic Curve Using Addition-Subtraction Chains," Sep. 12, 1990, "Theoretical Informatics and Applications", vol. 24, No. 6, 1990 pp. 531-544. Neal Koblitz, "CM-Curves With Good Cryptographic Properties," CRYPTO '91, pp. 279-287. Willi Meier, Othmar Staffelbach, "Efficient Multiplication on Certain Nonsupersingular Elliptic Curves," CRYPTO '92, 1992 pp. 333-344. Primary Examiner: Hayes; Gail Assistant Examiner: Leaning; Jeffrey Scott Attorney, Agent or Firm: Morelli; Robert D. Parent Case Text This is a continuation-in-part of U.S. patent application Ser. No. 09/105,071, filed on Jun. 26, 1998, now abandoned.
Re: CDR: RE: Re: Affording an attorney...
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: Much as I hate dirtying my hands by dipping into our current Choatian Black Hole, my reading of this is not that they *must* supply you with an attorney, but rather that the State cannot *deny* you one - if you show up with a lawyer, they cannot tell him to take a hike. Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. Where is the phrase 'can't deny'? It says 'and to have assistance of council for his defence', there are no conditionals in there. Further the state has a 'compulsory process' (look up the word compulsory) which clearly includes a lawyer. There is no statement that it is the defendent which must supply it. In fact NOTHING in this amendment addresses what the defendent MUST do at all. We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
The Cryptography mailing list has moved... (fwd)
FYI We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -- Forwarded message -- Date: 05 Apr 2001 12:58:16 -0400 From: "Perry E. Metzger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Cryptography mailing list has moved... For those that don't know, the cryptography mailing list has moved -- it is now [EMAIL PROTECTED] (subscriptions via majordomo etc.) It has been up and running there for a while but I forgot to announce it here. Perry
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Police right to 'privacy'
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Re: CDR: Re: Affording an attorney...
95% the first day or two, maybe. By the third day it's up to 98%. I don't know if Tanner hates Jim -- that seems strong, based on the evidence I've seen -- but it's more like he doesn't take Bell or his lawyer seriously at all. Bell is more interested in making points against the government than putting on a defense, and is (a bad move) trying to be his own lawyer. He apparently believes he will win; he is almost certainly mistaken. -Declan On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:59:28AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:23:33 -0400, Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that's a fair description of Day I. By Day II, though, Leen seemed to miss some obvious (to me) technical questions that could be raised on cross. I also had the change to watch him more closely, and he seems to be doing a perfunctory job. He's almost communicating to the jury (and clearly communicating to the judge) that he believes his client is guilty but has the right to a trial. Over 95% of the objections that Jim's attorney has raised over the last 2 days have been overruled, where almost every one of the objections that the D.A. has raised have been sustained. It's pretty obvious that Judge Tanner hates Jim--partly because Jim hasn't shown the proper decorous respect to the judge--and Jim's attorney is fighting that as well as the prosecution. By yesterday afternoon, he looked totally demoralized. One of the people in the court who was reasonably friendly to Jim pointed out to him yesterday that instead of trying to prove a point, Jim should have spent his time trying to win his case. Leen has to deal with a client who is at least partly committed to a crusade. Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com
Re: CDR: Re: Day #2: U.S. v. Jim Bell report from federal court in Tacoma
I understand that Tanner asked them (I was out of the room at the time) about whether they heard of FIJA. Nope. -Declan On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 04:50:03PM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Jim Burnes wrote: Were it not for a jury, Tanner could simply pronounce him summarily guilty and be done with it. Not to worry though, its unlikely Of course, he may "instruct" them to deliver a guilty... the jury has any concept of their rights. Rights? Are you kidding? jim -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Pleading the 5th
The problem with Choate's argument is that (besides that it's silly), he gives implied consent to redistribute by posting here. Also, as he claims to know, CDR is by nature distributed, and each node can set its own policy. Dont' like it? Don't participate. -Declan On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 06:02:48PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: I don't do interviews. I also own the copyright on everything I post to Cypherpunks. If it gets printed without my permission (and I won't give it) in a newspaper or other COMMERCIAL venture it is copyright infringement. You're free to post excerpts. I believe ~200 lines is the maximum allowed under current copyright law. Here's the real test to see if you really do respect 'private property'. On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Sunder wrote: Jim Choate would be a good candidate for you to write an article about. We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: Re: Pleading the 5th
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: The problem with Choate's argument is that (besides that it's silly), he gives implied consent to redistribute by posting here. Also, as he claims to know, CDR is by nature distributed, and each node can set its own policy. Dont' like it? Don't participate. Really? Go back to the archives and look at my original attempt to set a policy that SSZ subscribers posts were 'public domain'. It was immediately after Igor and I put up the original two-site CDR. Note who was arguing in the contrary. No, there is no 'implied consent'. I own SSZ. I own the copyright of my words. There is no 'meeting of minds' between you and I for example, so there can be no 'contract', implied or otherwise (since I've said publicly I won't agree). There is no fine print that states 'we reserve the right to edit all submissions'. Go fuck off god-$ fascist. We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: CNN.com - Internet firm sues to broadcast McVeigh execution - April 5, 2001
Logically, it is only your speech if you can stop "saying" it at any time. I doubt he could stop his execution by asking nicely. -Declan On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:12:52PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: Isn't this McVeigh's 'speech' and 'press', does he want it broadcast? If so then the state should be compelled under the 1st, 9th, 10th to comply. http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/04/05/mcveigh.internet/index.html?s=7 -- We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CNN.com - Internet firm sues to broadcast McVeigh execution - April 5, 2001
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Logically, it is only your speech if you can stop "saying" it at any time. I doubt he could stop his execution by asking nicely. But he's under coercion. Legitimate or not, that changes the rules of the game. He's the accussed. He can elect others to speak for him in situations where he can't speak for himself. Your thesis breaks down into, Your right to speak exists only so long as you can willingly stop/start it. So by logical extension, the suppression of speech in a 'control economy' culture such as the ex-CCCP is justified. That in fact, once one looses the freedom of speech they may in fact never LEGITIMATELY regain it. That the 'choice' is constrained is an irrelevant factor. Foo. We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: Re: Pleading the 5th
At 06:02 PM 4/5/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: I don't do interviews. I also own the copyright on everything I post to Cypherpunks. If it gets printed without my permission (and I won't give it) in a newspaper or other COMMERCIAL venture it is copyright infringement. You're free to post excerpts. I believe ~200 lines is the maximum allowed under current copyright law. Jim, how do you feel about on-line collections, e.g., the venona and inet-one.com archives? [IMHO they are technically infringing our copyrights, but I personally think they perform a service ---slightly more for historians than for spammers.]
Re: Pleading the 5th
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, David Honig wrote: Jim, how do you feel about on-line collections, e.g., the venona and inet-one.com archives? [IMHO they are technically infringing our copyrights, but I personally think they perform a service ---slightly more for historians than for spammers.] I sent a set of questions to the list a while back about people wanting their submissions removed from this or that archive. I got to thinking about it and decided that it probably does infringe copyright. This was one of my concerns when we started the CDR. It was why I wanted at least one 'public domain' source of information, to ensure it wasn't censored through litigation over 'ownership of ideas'. It's also one of the reasons I keep the much maligned 'CDR:' in there, it's a way of identifying what 'user license' it was submitted under (ie none). It's also why I haven't ever run a archive myself. My personal feelings are that I don't believe in the concept of IP. I believe that it is an unnecessary constraint on the advancement of society for the mere reason of stabalizing (or slowing it down depending on ones view) an economy for individual gain. It's not ethical. As insane in my view as assigning 'rights' to a business. But, from a practical point if I can use them to make a point I feel justified in doing it. I like the almost Zen irony, stabbing oneself with ones own sword (figuratively speaking of course). We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: Re: Pleading the 5th
Amusing. So if I have a cpunx archive, I can't place ads on it? I welcome your flurry of lawsuits. We already know about your lawyers on retainer. Perhaps you can forward them come constitutional amendments. -Declan On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 09:13:52PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: The problem with Choate's argument is that (besides that it's silly), he gives implied consent to redistribute by posting here. Also, as he claims to know, CDR is by nature distributed, and each node can set its own policy. Dont' like it? Don't participate. Really? Go back to the archives and look at my original attempt to set a policy that SSZ subscribers posts were 'public domain'. It was immediately after Igor and I put up the original two-site CDR. Note who was arguing in the contrary. No, there is no 'implied consent'. I own SSZ. I own the copyright of my words. There is no 'meeting of minds' between you and I for example, so there can be no 'contract', implied or otherwise (since I've said publicly I won't agree). There is no fine print that states 'we reserve the right to edit all submissions'. Go fuck off god-$ fascist. We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: Re: CNN.com - Internet firm sues to broadcast McVeigh execution - April 5, 2001
Bah. I would rather argue that the execution is the government's free speech at work, and it should have the right to say it in whatever way it wants. :) -Declan On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 09:45:43PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Logically, it is only your speech if you can stop "saying" it at any time. I doubt he could stop his execution by asking nicely. But he's under coercion. Legitimate or not, that changes the rules of the game. He's the accussed. He can elect others to speak for him in situations where he can't speak for himself. Your thesis breaks down into, Your right to speak exists only so long as you can willingly stop/start it. So by logical extension, the suppression of speech in a 'control economy' culture such as the ex-CCCP is justified. That in fact, once one looses the freedom of speech they may in fact never LEGITIMATELY regain it. That the 'choice' is constrained is an irrelevant factor. Foo. We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CNN.com - Internet firm sues to broadcast McVeigh execution - April 5, 2001
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Bah. I would rather argue that the execution is the government's free speech at work, and it should have the right to say it in whatever way it wants. :) 'Governments' have no 'rights'. McVeigh isn't 'property'. Go read the first two paragraphs of the DoI. We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Pleading the 5th
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Amusing. So if I have a cpunx archive, I can't place ads on it? Sure you can. What you can't do is refuse to remove an item by its author. And if you do make money on it they can sue for recovery of damages. Like a said, a good test for ones concept of 'respect private property'... God-$ Fascist. We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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Re: CDR: Re: Pleading the 5th
Private property != intellecutal property. If anything, my "private property" claim is stronger than your IP one, since the bits are on MY server. :) -Declan On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:41:47PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Amusing. So if I have a cpunx archive, I can't place ads on it? Sure you can. What you can't do is refuse to remove an item by its author. And if you do make money on it they can sue for recovery of damages. Like a said, a good test for ones concept of 'respect private property'... God-$ Fascist. We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Jim Bellini
On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 12:07:02AM -0400, John Young wrote: At one of the rump sessions Robb London said he was going to demand affidavits of everyone about what was being discussed. He was ignored except by a woman who The rest I can't vouch for, but this is true. London likes to make threats, apparently. The stellar witness was a reporter from The Columbian who you'd mistake for Jim, in philosophy, in purpose, in looks, in obeying no gyroscope except his own. Yeah, the Columbian guy trotted up there and spent half an hour volunteering information about what Bell told him. A disgrace to the profession. -Declan
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