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2001-06-05 Thread Eadweard Muybridge

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Jupiter Media Metrix (Nasdaq: JMXI - news) said
Monday.

Jupiter's report found that the
number of Web sites controling
50 percent of surfing time
shrunk to four from 11 two
years ago.

Moreover, 14 companies
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time, down from 110 Web sites
in March 1999.

Jupiter said the data helps dispel the long-held myth
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difficult to achieve.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nf/20010604/tc/10222_1.html




Re: FC: NY cops arrest high schoolers over web site with sex details

2001-06-05 Thread georgemw

On 5 Jun 2001, at 8:55, David Honig wrote:


 Truth is a defense in the US for slander.  Do these girls want
 their medical records subpeona'd?


Libel/slander are civil offenses,  not criminal.  Police
don't enforce libel laws.
 
 [What other law could they be 'enforcing'?]
 
 

I believe the article said harassment.  

George




Re: FC: NYT questions Microsoft for finally implementing TCP/IP correctly

2001-06-05 Thread David Honig

At 09:31 AM 6/5/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh quoted:

Are there any legit uses for IP address spoofing?
Has Microsoft said yet why they are adding in
this new feature?  I've been a Windows 9X users
for years and never seem to have a reason to do
spoofing

Richard


There are protocols (e.g., UDP, and things built on top of it) 
where you don't need to know the source IP ---since its forgable, you
couldn't trust it anyway.  Since UDP is not connection oriented,
you don't need it.  

A lot harder to trace datagrams with bogus src IP once you're past
the first router.




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Re: FC: NY cops arrest high schoolers over web site with sex details

2001-06-05 Thread Declan McCullagh

On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 02:57:40PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 There are quite a few new laws (i know of one in Va) that make the posting of 
 other's personal information on the internet a crime. Actually, it has long 
 been a crime (at least here) to publish a private individual's personal 
 information. They just recently added electronic media to the list, that's 
 all.

Got a cite? URL?

-Declan




Re: FC: NY cops arrest high schoolers over web site with sex details

2001-06-05 Thread CeejEngine
In a message dated 6/5/01 3:27:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:


 
 There are quite a few new laws (i know of one in Va) that make the 
posting of 
 other's personal information on the internet a crime. Actually, it has 
long 
 been a crime (at least here) to publish a private individual's personal 
 information. They just recently added electronic media to the list, 
that's 
 all.

Got a cite? URL?

-Declan

All right, here's a statute that deals with harrasment- 
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-152.7C1 
That's straight from the code of Virginia. There's another one that Dave Albo 
authored, and was passed recently (can't find it on the website) that 
established criminal penalties for the publication of personal financial 
information on the 'net.

Ender


[cnn.com] FBI sniper can be tried in Ruby Ridge slaying

2001-06-05 Thread A. Melon

SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- A federal appeals court ruled Tuesday 
that an FBI sharpshooter can be tried for manslaughter in the slaying of 
white separatist Randy Weaver's wife during the 1992 Ruby Ridge standoff 
in Idaho. 

In a case testing whether federal agents are immune to state prosecution, 
the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals cleared the way for Idaho 
prosecutors to charge agent Lon T. Horiuchi in the death of Vicki Weaver, 
42. The federal government declined to prosecute the agent. 

When federal officers violate the Constitution, either through malice or 
excessive zeal, they can be held accountable for violating the state's 
criminal laws, Judge Alex Kozinski wrote in the ruling. 

[...]

http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/06/05/ruby.ridge.01.ap/index.html




law may apply to pigs after all: Ruby Ridge

2001-06-05 Thread Timothy McVeigh

Court Rules FBI Sharpshooter Can Be Tried Over Ruby Ridge

From Associated Press

 SAN FRANCISCO -- A
federal appeals court ruled today that an
FBI sharpshooter can be
tried for manslaughter in the slaying of
white separatist Randy
Weaver's wife during the 1992 Ruby Ridge
standoff in Idaho.
 In a case testing
whether federal agents are immune to state
prosecution, the 9th
U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals cleared the way
for Idaho prosecutors to
charge agent Lon T. Horiuchi in the death
of Vicki Weaver, 42. The
federal government declined to prosecute
the agent.
 When federal
officers violate the Constitution, either through
malice or excessive
zeal, they can be held accountable for violating
the state's criminal
laws, Judge Alex Kozinski wrote in the ruling.
 The court agreed
with Boundary County, Idaho, attorney Ramsey
Clark, a former U.S.
attorney general who argued in December that
immunity cannot be
granted until there's a trial to determine
whether Horiuchi acted
unlawfully.
 When federal law
enforcement agents carry out their
responsibilities, they
can cause destruction of property, loss of
freedom, and as in this
case, loss of life-- all which might violate
the state's criminal
laws, Kozinski said.
 There was no
immediate comment from Clark.
 The standoff in
northern Idaho prompted a nationwide debate on
the use of force by
federal agencies. Ruby Ridge, where the Weaver
family lived, has become
synonymous with high-profile clashes,
including the Branch
Davidian siege near Waco, Texas, the Freemen
standoff and the
Oklahoma City bombing.
 The standoff began
after federal agents tried to arrest Randy
Weaver for failing to
appear in court to face charges of selling two
illegal sawed-off
shotguns.
 The cabin had been
under surveillance for several months when
the violence began with
the deaths of Deputy U.S. Marshal William
Degan, Weaver's
14-year-old son, Samuel, and the Weaver family
dog, Striker.
 During the
standoff, Horiuchi shot and killed Weaver's wife and
wounded family friend
Kevin Harris. Witnesses said the
sharpshooter fired as
Vicki Weaver held open the cabin door, her
10-month-old baby in her
arms, to let her husband, their daughter
and Harris inside.
 Horiuchi has said
he didn't see Vicki Weaver when he fired at
Harris, who was armed
and was ducking inside the cabin. He also
said he fired to protect
a government helicopter overhead.
 A wounded Harris
later surrendered, as did Weaver. Both men
were acquitted of
murder, conspiracy and other federal charges.
Weaver was convicted of
failing to appear for trial on the firearms
charge.
 The Justice
Department last summer settled the last civil lawsuit
  

RE: FC: NY cops arrest high schoolers over web site with sex details

2001-06-05 Thread Sandy Sandfort

David Honig wrote:

 I agree with you, but how could
 the amateur journalists give
 authoritative proof if the courts
 don't allow it?  How is this
 handled in other cases?

I'm not sure what you are saying here.  If your amateur journalist has,
for instance, a videotape of some guy having sex with Tom Cruise (to take a
case ripped from today's headlines), then why would he need court-ordered
discovery?  Res ipsa loquitur (the thing speaks for itself).

Give us a specific hypothetical and you'll get specific answers.

 Is the lesson that the young
 journalists have used 'hedge'
 phrases, like 'sources under
 condition of anonymity say...'?

If you're asking this in regard to libel, probably not.

 Even if discovery isn't allowed
 about the libelees, the journalists
 could call witnesses ---Under
 penalty of perjury, Joe, did you
 plook Ms. X? Did she tell you she
 had an abortion?

 Of course, *that* could get
 hairy, if e.g., Joe exercises the 5th...

Your question assumes you are already in court.  This means you are being
sued and the clock is running on your lawyers.  Witness can also disappear,
be disqualified, lie or not be believed.  Lots of luck.

Though courts try to find the truth, their primary function is to provide
an alternative to self-help.  As long as most people perceive them as
reasonably fair, then they'll go to court rather than shoot their neighbors.
Most people see this as a good thing.  I think there are even better ways to
handle disputes, but between the status quo and unfettered self-help, I'd
probably opt for the status quo.  (After all, there's always time for
self-help later, if the courts come up with the wrong decision.)  :-D


 S a n d y




Just A Reminder

2001-06-05 Thread brownrigg