[CREATE] LGM

[Gregory Pittman]

Does anyone know of any tentative plans to resume Libre Graphics Meetings in 
2023?

Greg Pittman

Re: [CREATE] greetings!

[Gregory Pittman]

On 8/12/22 18:52, Viatrix wrote:

On 2022-08-12T07:34:21+0200
Halla Rempt  wrote:


We would usually have a meeting at LGM, but it seems LGM doesn't
happen anymore.

what's LGM? I can't tell what it's short for



Here's the web address for the last (online) meeting:

https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2020/en/index.html

Greg Pittman

Re: [CREATE] greetings!

[Gregory Pittman]

I would anticipate that next year there will be an effort to resume LGM.

Greg

On 8/12/22 01:34, Halla Rempt wrote:

Hi,

We're hosting the spec on KDE infra because that's where me and Wolthera are 
based. We would usually have a meeting at LGM, but it seems LGM doesn't happen 
anymore. If you make merge requests against the repo on invent 
(https://invent.kde.org/documentation/openraster-org/-/merge_requests) we will 
try to take care of it.

Halla

On vrijdag 12 augustus 2022 03:41:08 CEST Viatrix wrote:

Hi there hello! I'm Viatrix and I'm new to this mailing list. I want to
be more involved in the OpenRaster image format, mostly because i found
the spec sometimes hard to understand when I was writing code involving
OpenRaster  so I'd like to help improve it.

It looks like this mailing list is involved with OpenRaster, but also
KDE is? and sometimes there are meetings? so i'm not certain where i
should be to get involved. And as far as I can tell, FreeDesktop's
hosting a copy of the OpenRaster spec but not synced with the one at
openraster.org? not sure what's up with that

[CREATE] Fwd: [LGM] LGM 2021 program published

[Gregory Pittman]

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Subject: Re: [CREATE] [LGM] LGM 2021 program published
Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 15:47:22 +0200
From: Timothée Giet 
To: Luna Jernberg , 
libre-graphics-meet...@lists.freedesktop.org
CC: Create ML 

Hello,

Yes the talks will be recorded and at least available on peertube after
the event.

Cheers,
Timothée


Le 23/05/2021 à 15:41, Luna Jernberg a écrit :
> Hello!
>
> Might watch some if i have time i am kinda busy next week, but will
> you save the recording anywhere after the conference?
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 2:54 PM Timothée Giet  > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The program for LGM 2021 is now published:
>
> https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2021/en/program.html
> 
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [CREATE] Photo from libregraphics on BBC Chinese site?

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On 10/22/19 9:05 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote:
> The image is also on its way into a psychology text-book, possibly
> more. When this went viral online and in printed media .. most did not
> contact me. :)  /pippin
> 
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 7:32 AM Tom Lechner  wrote:
>>
>> These days it's so hard to live off the grid!
>>
>> On 8/5/19 3:13 PM, Ricardo Lafuente wrote:
>>>
>>> One day you pop over at a graphics nerds conference, five years later
>>> boom you're in BBC China with colored squares on your face :-)
>>>
>>> (Yes it's in Leipzig, and next to me and Ana Isabel Carvalho it's
>>> Stuart Axon and Tom Lechner)
>>>
>>> On 03/08/19 12:00, Hin-Tak Leung wrote:
 Hi,

 I was reading stuff and BBC Chinese - I am pretty sure the photo used
 was taken in libregraphics one year (which?) as I recognize three
 people in the photo!
 One of them is Tom, the other is Ranaldo(?) and Ana?

 It is an article about color illustrations.

 https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/trad/science-49218450

Does anyone know what this article is saying? This doesn't look like any sort 
of optical illusion I am familiar with.

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Re: [CREATE] Photo from libregraphics on BBC Chinese site?

[Gregory Pittman]

On 8/3/19 7:00 AM, Hin-Tak Leung wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was reading stuff and BBC Chinese - I am pretty sure the photo used was 
> taken in libregraphics one year (which?) as I recognize three people in the 
> photo!
> One of them is Tom, the other is Ranaldo(?) and Ana?
> 
> It is an article about color illustrations. 
> 
> https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/trad/science-49218450
> 

The photo is from LGM 2014 in Leipzig.

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Re: [CREATE] after LGM 2019

[Gregory Pittman]

On 7/3/19 10:28 AM, ale rimoldi wrote:
> hi helen
> 
> thanks for posting the link
> 
> i'm still collecting articles, posts and all the things about the
> latest lgm
> 
> https://github.com/libregraphicsmeeting/htdocs-2019/issues/3
> 
> and i've now added yours too!
> 

I've just added a link to a webpage I made to hear the churchbells that rang at 
noon (in case you didn't get enough of them while in Saarbrücken).

http://www.infoisfree.com/saarbruecken.html

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Re: [CREATE] freieFarbe/freeColour HLC colour system to be accepted as a national standard for "Open Colour Communication" in Germany

[Gregory Pittman]

On 12/01/2017 09:17 AM, Jehan Pagès wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> 1 дек. 2017 г. 6:36 пользователь Christoph Schäfer  написал:
>>
>> We're currently cooperating with ink manufacturers in Germany and
>> Switzerland to establish ink formulas for HLC colours that cannot be
>> reproduced in CMYK, aka as spot colours
>>
>>
>> Since you already have a prototype, are you talking about metallic inks?
>>
>>
>> This is a real colour system and not just a colour collection like Pantone
>> or RAL.
>>
>>
>> How do you define a real color system?
>>
>> Most importantly, it is a free and open alternative to Pantone & co, which
>> is not only better,
>>
>>
>> Better in what way?
> 
> Though I still think it is a very cool news, I actually join
> Alexandre's questions above.
> You seem to think that your color system is better and "real" because
> it is based off sorted numerical values, with meaning in color science
> (LCH).
> 
> Yet the real power of Pantone is that they were not born out of
> numbers but from actual physical inks (the 18 basic Pantone colors).
> So with the basic colors being "approved" by the company, getting any
> color is a matter of precisely following a recipe. This ensures that
> *theoretically* you should always get the same color at every
> printshop.
> 
> This is based off real life and somehow meets expectations of people.
> I'm not saying that Pantone is great. They have tried for years to
> copyright colors and stuff. They are just trying to squeeze money
> because that's what most companies do. Colors should indeed be managed
> by a non-profit with the goal to improve accuracy and reproducibility.
> Yet saying that such companies don't have a real system is wrong IMO.
> Somehow people who want to print may not care that much about numbers,
> sorting and stuff. They mostly want reproducible colors. And from the
> printshop point of view, getting any spot color from the catalog is
> just about following a mixing recipe accurately, so it's easy and not
> too bothersome.
> 
> So my question is: from your LCH representation, can you ensure the
> creation of an ink so that 2 unrelated people could create the same
> color?

Ultimately, it would seem that this comes down to what sort of traction
this gets with commercial printers. They are the market for Pantone and
other inks. At the same time, there is ongoing development of color
management by printing machinery, not dependent on a particular set of
inks, with standardization being a good thing. It would be good to hear
some reaction to this from ink manufacturers and printers.

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Re: [CREATE] glyf (i.e. contour) analysis reports on libre fonts.

[Gregory Pittman]

I guess the question I would have, as someone not a font guru or
creator, is what validates the Font Validator? In other words, if Font
Validator finds a problem in a font, how do you know the problem is the
font and not FV?

Greg Pittman

On 08/11/2016 06:20 PM, Hin-Tak Leung wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> People who went to LGM 2016 London in April this year and heard my talk would 
> hear that, IMHO, the most unique and valuable part of the Font Validator is 
> its analysis on individual glyphs. That is broadly divided into the glyf 
> table test on the glyph contours, and the rasterization test on the truetype 
> hinting instructions. The latter wasn't open-sourced by Microsoft, but was 
> re-implemented, much faster with broader scope and wider supported platforms, 
> and superceding the old version in 2.0 a few weeks ago.
> 
> So I have turned my attention to the glyf test, and threw all my (many buggy) 
> fonts to try to break it. When the glyf test itself breaks and cannot handle 
> the situation, it is called "A1112 exception", and I filed them under 
> https://github.com/Microsoft/Font-Validator/issues in the last few days.
> 
> Out of that activity, I collected the reports of the ~3000 fonts on Fedora 
> (about ~2000 under /usr/share/fonts, and another ~1000 texlive). About half 
> of them, (~1300 /~2000 for general libre fonts, and ~200 / ~1000 for texlive) 
> have some level of glyph errors or warnings.
> 
> At the rate of 2/3, almost all libre font authors should have a look at their 
> own reports and fix their fonts.
> 
> fedora-glyf-EW-reports-file-index-2016-08-11.txt is the file index and 
> "fedora-glyf-EW-reports-2016-08-11.tgz" is the collection of reports under
> http://htl10.users.sourceforge.net/tmp/FontVal-test-results-2016July/
> 
> The file index entries look like this, sorted by the "FileNameAndPath" field 
> (i.e. this is the first entry, with "aa..."):
> 
> tmp6b009ab7.tmp.report.xml: FileNameAndPath="/usr/share/fonts/aajohan-comfortaa/Comfortaa-Bold.ttf">
> 
> and author of "/usr/share/fonts/aajohan-comfortaa/Comfortaa-Bold.ttf" should 
> extract "tmp6b009ab7.tmp.report.xml" from the tar ball, etc.
> 
> Disclaimer: I am just the messager - I just ran the glyf test on all the 
> fonts I have, and played no part in writing it. People disagreeing or have 
> questions with the reports' content should file upstream under  
> https://github.com/Microsoft/Font-Validator/issues .
> 
> People who want to make the glyf test even better can look at and help fixing 
> the A1112 exception's - I honestly do not mind somebody else doing it! :-). 
> People who want me to make it better, please feel free to make a donation ( 
> https://sourceforge.net/p/hp-pxl-jetready/donate/ ).
> 
> Hin-Tak
> 
> P.S. It has been exactly a year ago today (baring time-zone arguments...), 
> that I received and first saw the code bundle from Microsoft to get fixed up, 
> to be publicly released a few months later. Hurray.
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Re: [CREATE] otf•UI product vision, warm off the press...

[Gregory Pittman]

On 09/21/2015 12:05 PM, peter sikking wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> 
>>> right on: I was already thinking that a set of recommendations
>>> (only based on what is hard-as-nails in the otf standard) must
>>> be part of the deliverable.
>>
>> Hmm. Maybe out of scope. But... There are a heap of conversions that a smart 
>> rich text editor is likely to do, eg change quote " to curly quotes, minus - 
>> to en/em dash, 3 periods ... to ellipsis, etc etc, which depend on the 
>> encoded glyphs being present in the font.
>>
>> This relates to OT because, like OT, different languages have different 
>> typographic conventions, which OT can respond to also, so " may become《 
>> instead, if the script/lang is Latin/French.
>>
>> There are also some case responsive OT features which manual letter-spacing 
>> could collide with, being designed by the font developer for default letter 
>> spacing.
> 
> I realise this gets tricky, fast. it would be only about
> switching otf, not subbing char codes.
> 
> if any of these guidelines are not clear-cut, then it is better to
> leave it out. they do address however the “without the need to
> obtain openType/typographical domain knowledge” part for developers.
> 

Scribus has not been one of the smart text editors, but there are
scripting methods, such as a couple I wrote, Autoquote.py and
en+emdash.py, which make these conversions.

I expect there will need to be some expansion of the font detection area
looking for special OTF features, and perhaps even allow scripts to be
aware of these things.

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Re: [CREATE] otf•UI product vision, warm off the press...

[Gregory Pittman]

On 09/18/2015 05:09 PM, peter sikking wrote:
> mray wrote:
> 
>> Does "getting capabilities" also include getting means to be 
>> clearly informed about availability of features?
> 
> yes, and ‘drag the user-controllable openType features out of 
> obscurity’ mandates that even more.
> 

Sounds like a call for a manual.

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Re: [CREATE] Typographic feature UI/UX

[Gregory Pittman]

On 11/20/2014 05:06 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:

Hi

On 20 November 2014 21:45, Nathan Willis nwil...@glyphography.com 
mailto:nwil...@glyphography.com wrote:


So HarfBuzz is responsible for detecting the presence of OT tables and
making that info available at higher levels? I thought it was focused
on shaping pretty exclusively.


Shaping is merely OpenType features that are applied by default for 
the script to work.


OpenType features that are optional also require an OpenType engine 
(such as harfbuzz) to be applied.


Obviously making the table data accessible is a prereq; I've never
been totally clear on whether that's Freetype, HarfBuzz, or Pango's
job


FreeType is just a rasterizer.

Pango was used to do font layout, but its conceptually separate from 
Pango's main purpose, so it was removed to the separate harfbuzz 
library which could be used by any text layout engine - initially also 
Qt, whose dev team was duplicating the same effort to make a font 
shaper, and more recently Android.



This sounds like BOF or workshop material for the next LGM.

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Re: [CREATE] an interesting development?(RenderMan)

[Gregory Pittman]

On 06/04/2014 05:34 AM, Jehan Pagès wrote:

 In any case, very nice marketing move, but in my opinion totally
 useless for serious usage, and even harmful for individuals. Because
 any production done is doomed to remain a toy (however good it ends
 up, you are not allowed to do anything with it other than being proud
 of it and showing to people). Or worse that's a good way to set
 yourself in jail (you force yourself to buy the license at some point
 or another if ever you become proficient with it and wants to do
 business).
 

What I would wonder about is whether one might look at this just from
the perspective of seeing what features it has and how its usability
differs from Blender, in ways that could give ideas to the Blender team.

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[CREATE] an interesting development?

[Gregory Pittman]

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27677712

I'm not sure if there is any interface with Blender and RenderMan...

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Re: [CREATE] Last round of comments: LGM Code of Conduct

[Gregory Pittman]

On 05/26/2014 08:46 AM, Simon Budig wrote:
 Femke Snelting (snelt...@collectifs.net) wrote:
 Thank you again for your helpful comments, on- and off list.

 - I agree that the reference to examples was awkwardly phrased and simple is 
 better:
 Some examples: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents;
 
 While I do believe that it is useful to have something in the CoC that
 counters the doesn't happen in our circles attitude I really wonder if
 it is wise to reference something that is out of our control. We would me
 more flexible about what to reference when we'd point to a URL under the
 libregraphicsmeeting.org domain, where we can have a collection of
 ressources that even can be expanded/changed if new good ressources pop
 up or other ressources go bad.
 

I think it can be safely said that we have gotten over the question
about having a CoC. Regardless of whatever it says, the CoC should be
clear about what kinds of behavior are inappropriate, and the
consequences of such behavior.

In both instances, it's better to try to delineate the categories
explicitly, yet allowing for judgmental leeway. We're not making the Ten
Commandments, but at the same time they do a good job of indicating
which behaviors are not proper without specific examples.

We also should keep in mind that there are potential issues of privacy
involved with examples based on real incidents. People who blog about
such things don't always consider this.

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Gregory Pittman]

On 04/10/2014 02:08 PM, Susan Spencer wrote:
Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their 
safety.



I am certainly in agreement with a Code of Conduct.
At the same time, one must realize that a Code of Conduct does not 
necessarily prevent incidents, it only specifies how to deal with them.


The more challenging aspect is how to disseminate information about such 
incidents. It may be, probably is inappropriate to broadcast such things 
freely, yet there should be some awareness of facts as they are known to 
those who have volunteered to help LGM as an organization, and ideally 
with a contemporaneous timing. How can we evaluate an accusation now? 
Even without a Code of Conduct it is possible to deal with such incidents.


We have the challenge of trying to be open to all yet realizing that 
the all we refer to is the collection of those who have appropriate 
behavior.


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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Gregory Pittman]

On 04/10/2014 07:36 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:

On 10 April 2014 23:26, María Leandro tata...@gmail.com wrote:

from the point of view of a victim

In the January discussion, it was suggested that all CoC documents be
phrased positively rather than negatively, and many people voiced
support for that.

Rather than anti-badthing, phasing things as pro-goodthing is better, I think.

I'm sure a list of common harassment scenarios could be presented in a
positive way -- by including a happy ending to each of them.

All the same, there must be some sadness that some bad experience 
happened to someone as well as the fact that we have to deal with some 
bad behavior on someone else's part. If we can be part of helping 
someone see the need to seek help with their personal relationships, 
perhaps this might fit some sense of a goodthing. I just hope we can 
manage to set some sensible and effective boundaries for behavior.


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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/21/2014 10:42 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:
 
 Power exists, whether if you structure it or not. Groups who oppose
 abuse of power by very large structured groups often think a total
 lack of structure will make them more fair, but this is a mistake.
 Democratic structures are useful for distributing power fairly in
 medium+ groups, so that power is not concentrated in unaccountable
 elites.
 
 What part of this is nonsense? :)
 
The nonsense is to say something which is non-novel with a dump truck
load of (pseudo)intellectual verbiage. Frankly, German and French
intellectuals already covered this ground in a more intelligent fashion
centuries ago.

This is a point-of-view of those seeking more power and trying to
rationalize it in some way. Revolutionaries (right or left wing) do this
freely, pretending to speak for the people.

If you look at some current and more applicable information on creating
change, you might search out work by people like John Kotter, e.g.:

http://www.kotterinternational.com/our-principles/changesteps

Note that his first step is to Create a sense of urgency. This isn't
something you can artificially produce, in a
chicken-little-sky-is-falling sort of a way. Let's recall that this
whole COC issue came up from Louis, based on his innocent (AFAICT)
question about whether it existed. This rapidly evolved to an OMG!
moment for some in which the urgency of a COC became paramount, whereas
others could see some practical value in a sensible COC, and still
others said, Wha-? (not to be confused with WTF, though there may have
been a little of that too).

It would be nice if, at the centenary of World War I, we might stop
digging foxholes, come out of the trenches, and shut down this COC war.

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[CREATE] LGM and divisiveness

[Gregory Pittman]

As we approach LGM 2014, it would be good to know that at some point we
all are rowing in the same direction. We need to put aside differences
of opinion and consider how we can make LGM an attractive and
trouble-free event for everyone.

Even without some artificial code that we might sprinkle holy water on
and make sacred, I think we have established that most of us have an
opinion that wants to keep LGM a friendly event for everyone who attends.

Let's face it, LGM isn't a democracy in some elective/voting sense,
since it is very unclear who has voting rights and whether all voting
rights are the same. We don't have a clear way of generating consensus.
We may have opinions for and against, but the (apparent) absence of an
opinion may be an indicator of unawareness of the vote or even what it's
about (or just being fed up with it all). And someone who has never
attended before and never will again has a vote too.

I also think it is magical thinking to believe that somehow this can all
be hashed out at LGM. Just look at what happens as the venue for the
next LGM gets decided at LGM. The vote, such as it is, takes place
only with those attending the meeting, as if those not present don't
care and don't matter. I suppose if they did care, they might be more
likely not to care about decisions they were left out of.

I think we all have experiences with people who are obsessed with some
issue. All they can talk about is their issue. People don't realize how
IMPORTANT this is. How ESSENTIAL it is. About all you can do is to avoid
this person, not start up a conversation with this person, unless you
like to argue. In an organization, this can be toxic. Let's try not to
drift in that direction.

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Re: [CREATE] LGM and divisiveness

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/18/2014 01:42 PM, Hin-Tak Leung wrote:
 
 
 
 --
 On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 18:07 GMT Gregory Pittman wrote:
 
 As we approach LGM 2014, it would be good to know that at some point we
 all are rowing in the same direction. We need to put aside differences
 of opinion and consider how we can make LGM an attractive and
 trouble-free event for everyone.

 Even without some artificial code that we might sprinkle holy water on
 and make sacred, I think we have established that most of us have an
 opinion that wants to keep LGM a friendly event for everyone who attends.

 Let's face it, LGM isn't a democracy in some elective/voting sense,
 since it is very unclear who has voting rights and whether all voting
 rights are the same. We don't have a clear way of generating consensus.
 We may have opinions for and against, but the (apparent) absence of an
 opinion may be an indicator of unawareness of the vote or even what it's
 about (or just being fed up with it all). And someone who has never
 attended before and never will again has a vote too.

 
 I think you are reading too much into this. There is a practical reason why 
 voting for the next venue happened/happens in a face to face meeting. 
 Somebody need to (1) volunteer, (2) be trusted by the community, to 
 *organize* the next event. 
 
 The latter is most rare - it is not as if any random keen 16-year-old can 
 cope with the logistics of hundreds of people from different countries 
 arriving, nor any random unseen unheard of rarely participating person be 
 trusted to volunteer to organize. 
 
 I also think it is magical thinking to believe that somehow this can all
 be hashed out at LGM. Just look at what happens as the venue for the
 next LGM gets decided at LGM. The vote, such as it is, takes place
 only with those attending the meeting, as if those not present don't
 care and don't matter. I suppose if they did care, they might be more
 likely not to care about decisions they were left out of.

 I think we all have experiences with people who are obsessed with some
 issue. All they can talk about is their issue. People don't realize how
 IMPORTANT this is. How ESSENTIAL it is. About all you can do is to avoid
 this person, not start up a conversation with this person, unless you
 like to argue. In an organization, this can be toxic. Let's try not to
 drift in that direction.

 
 I think you are advocating what some called social bullying. Many LGM 
 attendees are there because they are passionate about *something*. Of course 
 they will, and rightfully so, should talk about their ONE IDEA all the time. 
 That's the whole point. 
 

I have no idea what you're talking about, but it seems you only give an
example of what I'm talking about. Thanks for that.

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/17/2014 01:07 PM, Susan Spencer wrote:
 
 The discussion about keeping people safe and providing a reasonable
 assurance of a respectful environment has been all over the web for years.

This just sounds like everyone is doing it so it must be a good thing
to do. Or maybe it's just something that's gone viral.

If someone feels unsafe at LGM, they should be notifying the local
police to have them deal with the issue.

There is probably more to be gained from group consensus and peer
pressure than from some regulation. Which individual or group at LGM has
the right to eject someone from the meeting?

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/16/2014 04:47 AM, ale rimoldi wrote:
 hi jon,
 
 thanks for researching and for the links!
 
 http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
 
 i specially like the python one: short, to the point and throughout
 expressed in positive terms.
 
 for what i'm concerned, we can adopt it, just by replacing python by
 LGM (and some more minor changes...) and then discuss at the LGM itself
 what we can add to make it even more adapted to our meeting (as an
 example by adding a In case of any problems please get in touch
 with ... or ... by ...).

I think this one is rather too verbose, and comes from the perspective
of Python development.

I like this one better:

https://github.com/python/pycon-code-of-conduct/blob/master/code_of_conduct.md

which I think is easier to adapt and make even shorter:

*** Proposed LGM COC 

Code of Conduct for Libre Graphics Meeting 2014

In the spirit of FOSS and the various projects, other groups, and
individuals who support and attend these annual meetings, we want to
continue to enjoy the congenial and considerate atmosphere important to
the exchange of ideas at LGM.

All communication should be appropriate for a professional audience
including people of many different backgrounds and cultures. Please be
considerate of the various sensitivities of all of those who attend.

Be kind to others. Do not insult or put down other attendees. Behave
professionally.

In case you observe or experience any such negative behavior, you are
encouraged to notify LGM organizers so that appropriate steps can be taken.

**

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/15/2014 05:01 AM, Femke Snelting wrote:
 
 The short of it: I am for adopting the Python Code of conduct as-is
 (which is being developed and publicly discussed here by the way
 https://github.com/python/pycon-code-of-conduct ) and pick at the
 details of it's phrasing later.
 

The Short Version of their code seems close. I would leave out Do not
insult or put down other attendees. As we know, we have a multiplicity
of languages at LGM, and while English is the dominant official language
there is variability in fluency in the audience. There are odd senses of
humor and some with thin skins sometimes, so offense can be taken as a
mistake or misunderstanding.

We're not in a position to refund (or not refund) the conference fee for
a free conference. The very idea of expelling someone from LGM is
problematic and creates its own issues.

I think we can try to be professional, kind, and helpful, even as we
convey to someone how their actions may have been inappropriate. Maybe
about as close to capital punishment as we might go would be to get
someone to formally apologize to the person offended or the group as a
whole.

So, trimmed down a bit, I think this could be a good working COC. Let's
stop short of trying to be the police or lawyers.

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/15/2014 07:05 AM, S.Kemter wrote:
 Hi,
 
 You are aware that this brings trouble to me? Its not that simple we make
 an Code of Conduct and thats just our business. The university needs to
 agree to it and they will take that further away to the Ministery of
 Culture. Why because they have to be sure it breaks not german or/and
 saxonian laws. You open Pandoras Box here, well there are woman rights and
 minority rights touched so the Gleichstellungsbeauftragte has also to
 give his ok and there are some others with strange titles also.
 

This just sounds like you may need to enlist help, rather than try to
avoid the issue.

Having said that, maybe there is some sort of code or rule that already
exists at Universität Leipzig which talks about behavior in
university-sponsored or authorized events...? If so, it may be that we
don't really need to create something new.

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/15/2014 12:04 PM, S.Kemter wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Well its not about work that's the easy part, thats just a mail. The
 problem is another one, we will not have an ok before LGM. If you consider
 how much trouble I already had for just extending the opening time and that
 it took 2 months to get it. Its not simple here the key close when you are
 done, there is a security guard and thats extra work for him and on the end
 of the month that will be end up in a higher invoice, there immediately
 pops up the question who pays it, its not simple that I can say ok we will
 pay it cross paying governmental institutions is so damn complex, you will
 try that only once and never again. The decision of the opening time was
 made from the chancellor of the university, so highest authority ;)
 
 What we could do is simple to invite the Gleichstellungsbeauftragten I
 dont know how to translate that titel and if Equality Ombudsman is right
 for it to watch over us and we can surly ask him to help us for formulating
 an CoC for later events. I think nobody of us would be that firm as
 someone, who does nothing else then handle exactly what some here think an
 CoC would solve.
 

Frankly, I think I would trust the Gleichstellungsbeauftragten more than
this geek feminism site. I don't mean this in a derogatory way, but only
to acknowledge the efforts Germany has made to codify fairness.

We certainly do not want to create a major stumbling block for LGM over
this issue.

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/14/2014 03:20 PM, Jon Nordby wrote:
 I support having a code of conduct. I had a read through the one at
 http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy
 and found it to be very sane, both the statement and the practical
 guideline on how organization should deal with matters.
 
 Having a policy does pledge organizers and volunteers to enforce it,
 if need be. So if we decide to adopt one, all staff should explicity
 state that they have read and accepted the policy.
 It must also be sent out to presenters and attendees.
 

Personally, I would rather see language that talks of respect (a
positive term) rather than anti-harrassment (a negative term).

Thus, we can be on the lookout for behavior or materials as far as how
they respect others, perhaps making some positive suggestions, as
opposed to searching for harrassment as if it were some kind of
witch-hunt (meaning no disrespect to witches of course).

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/14/2014 09:14 PM, Susan Spencer wrote:


Can LGM adopt the PSF policy
as a temporary measure?
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy
Then at LGM we can hold a BOF meeting
where results are posted
with additional paper for comments.

Results will be put forward to an
all-hands vote with amendments
welcomed from the floor.



What I see on this page is a not A policy, but a number of versions of 
policies, some short some verbose. We can hardly adopt all these versions.


How about:

The Libre Graphics Meeting was established as and continues to be a 
conference open to all those who share an interest in FOSS 
graphics-related software. A facet of this openness is that we expect 
attendees and especially presenters to show the utmost respect for all 
others who attend and to avoid defamatory or derogatory remarks or 
actions against others strictly related to their views, their lifestyle 
choices, where they are from, or who they are.


The organizers invite anyone to inform the LGM organizers of any such 
disrespectful language or behavior they have experienced or witnessed, 
so that appropriate steps can be taken.


Please edit as desired.

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[CREATE] Fwd: Re: LGM 2014 location?

[Gregory Pittman]

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [CREATE] LGM 2014 location?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:12:49 -0500
From: Gregory Pittman gpitt...@iglou.com
To: Steve Conklin st...@conklinhouse.com

On 11/18/2013 03:54 PM, Steve Conklin wrote:
 Searching for
 
 LGM 2014
 
 Brings up the first search result of this:
 http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/?page_id=158
 
 Which has confused some of my coworkers, as other pages in the search
 results show Leipzig.
 
 Is there a way to edit the page to indicate that the location is Leipzig?
 

What that page is/was is a proposal for 2014 for Montreal, and I believe
there were other proposal pages as well. That's why it looks like a
sales pitch - that's what it was.

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Re: [CREATE] LGM-organiser meet in Madrid, today 18:00

[Gregory Pittman]

Some generic comments about LGM site selection.

I'm concerned that the decision-making about the most imminent LGM can 
become such a wide-open process.
For 2014, the only sites under discussion should be places where there 
is a proposal of a specific site, with a clear organizer or group, who 
hopefully have some track record of being able to organize events. 
Obviously, previous sites and organizers have a leg up on this, but we 
can't afford last minute surprises. I would hate to see a bad or poorly 
attended LGM. This year we had the strength and knowledge of Femke, but 
even so the internet connection was quite inadequate for a 
technology-oriented group.


For two years into the future, then some proposals can be more tenuous, 
but even so there should be some champion who can flesh out some details 
about who will organize the event, know  that there is local support of 
services and maybe even money, and some concrete details about what the 
community has to offer specifically regarding LGM.


I enjoy traveling, and certainly have ideas about what places I would 
like to visit some day, but LGM isn't some travelogue that always must 
seek out new places to go. I think what we want is that each meeting is 
a success and each in some way better than the last.


Perhaps one thing which might help would be the creation of a manual of 
sorts which details the particular needs which LGM has, so that anyone 
proposing to host LGM knows what they need to put together.


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Re: [CREATE] Free and legal download of Pantone colour palettes from Adobe

[Gregory Pittman]

On 03/27/2013 09:04 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:
 
 Oh WAIT!
 There is no legalese on that page, but for a 'CC-NC-SA'  stamp at the
 end, and the files are simple zips to be downloaded from a  URL
 featuring the CC'ed text as their parent - and containing no license
 or legal text themselves. So I guess - that is the actual use license.
 It still will have some restrictions to use in all projects due to the
 Non Comercial bit on the license, though - but as I see it it could
 be used in comunity maintained add-ons (plug-ins, pallete files in
 different repositories) without problems.
 
 Don't get overexcited. CC license applies to the documentation only.

At the same time, I think you have to consider what the nature of some
protection is that Pantone wants or has control over. Since a part of
their business is the selling of swatchbooks, they don't want any
competition in that regard, so you would have to be careful about some
commercial use which bypasses that.

I would be careful about distributing to others some personal swatchbook
which applies to Pantone colors for that reason. This is why we do not
include their palette with Scribus.

However, the inclusion of a Pantone spot color specification in a PDF is
not anything they would have any interest in interfering with, so
specifying Pantone inks is not an issue.

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[CREATE] a couple of other versions of the LGM program

[Gregory Pittman]

I went to the sources via the link, and created two versions, not as 
fieldbooks, but as simple listings of the program.


One is in ePub format (created with Sigil from the html source), and the 
other in PDF (created with Scribus from the ODT source).

The ePub has a clickable TOC as well.

I've uploaded them to the Scribus wiki:

http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Books#LGM_2013_Program

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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2013 Fieldnotes book release

[Gregory Pittman]

On 03/20/2013 02:32 PM, Manuel Schmalstieg wrote:

 Why?
 
 This book was inspired by James Bridle's publishing experiments (SXSW
 2010 [Fieldnotes]), visible at booktwo.org. It's intended to serve as
 a one-time pad, a personal notebook for the duration of LGM.
 

I like the design, like the choices for typefaces.

I think the next step, next phase for this kind of thing, and something
that would require either a new tool or modifications to existing ones,
is something like an eBook format, where you can add notes to pages,
incorporate your own images, etc. The idea would be to have something
you can work with from a tablet.

I went to a medical meeting recently, and although there was a PDF
available for download, and I knew there was going to be a print version
at the meeting (for free), there was much more information and pages
than I needed, so I redid the PDF as an ebook, chopping out the 75 to
80% that I didn't want. What it lacked, of course, was the ability to
add notes afterward.

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Re: [CREATE] Preparations for LGM 2013: Future Tools are underway

[Gregory Pittman]

Whenever I check the medialab-prado site, it talks about Medialab moving 
for the next few months to another site.


Just where will LGM be located?

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Re: [CREATE] Colorfont Workshop results

[Gregory Pittman]

On 06/29/2012 07:20 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:
 Hey --
 
 That's great -- thanks for publishing the results!
 
 
   js
  --
 
 On 28 June 2012 20:12, Ana Carvalho ana.isab...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 We published the results of the Colorfont Workshop at the LGM 2012, in
 Vienna.
 Photos and details are here:
 http://blog.manufacturaindependente.org/2012/06/colorfont-workshop-at-lgm-2012

 There's an improved version of Colorfont.js, hacked by Simon Budig during
 the workshop:
 http://manufacturaindependente.com/colorfont

 And the colorfonts by Simon, João Bueno and Claudia Krummenacher:
 http://manufacturaindependente.com/colorfont/workshop-lgm2012.html

 We're waiting for the fonts done by the other participants.
 If you're one of them we want your font! Send it to us :)

Since sometimes it seems you may have recognizable/semi-recognizable
glyphs in the overlay, I wonder if it would be possible to have an
alternative message in the overlays, different from the basic text.
Another way of saying this might be whether the overlay glyph might be
different each time a base glyph occurs...

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Re: [CREATE] recordings of the lgm 2012

[Gregory Pittman]

On 06/12/2012 11:24 AM, Chris Lilley wrote:
 On Sunday, June 10, 2012, 2:27:18 PM, Timothée wrote:
 
 TG Hi, I've just finished to upload it TG
 here:http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL095A40A9E5123EF6feature=view_all

  Thanks for doing this, I was worried that there would be no record
 at all.
 
 For next time, we should ensure there are mikes on the audience (or
 train the speakers to repeat the question).
 
As it was, we were lucky to have anything at all.

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Re: [CREATE] recordings of the lgm 2012

[Gregory Pittman]

On 06/12/2012 12:04 PM, Chris Lilley wrote:
 
 Yes, hence my worried there would be no record at all for this
 time, and hence also why I scoped audience miking for *next* time.
 
with Femke as a mentor, I think it will go well.

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Re: [CREATE] getting feedback from the projects @ lgm 2012

[Gregory Pittman]

On 05/11/2012 11:09 AM, ale rimoldi wrote:

hi

i've created the following forms:

http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2012/project-feedback/

and

http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2012/participant-feebdack/

please have a look at them and give feedback




I like these. It will be interesting to see how many fill it out. We 
will need to broadcast their existence, since no doubt many don't 
subscribe to the create list.


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Re: [CREATE] getting feedback from the projects @ lgm 2012

[Gregory Pittman]

I worry about having an excessively open-ended survey.
I think it's worth the time to try to come up with a list of questions 
which people would be likely to want to answer and that also give some 
useful information.


So perhaps some categories might be considered, and perhaps it should be 
said that one can choose to respond to any or all they might select:


(after shown a list of the talks as a reminder)...
which talks stand out as the most interesting to you? Why?
Which speakers gave talks which were entertaining/informative/mentally 
stimulating? Add details as you like.
What have you learned at LGM 2012 that you did not know about or 
understand before you attended?

Was the number of talks too many? not enough?
Was there anything you were hoping to be presented that didn't happen?
Did you have productive meetings outside of the scheduled talks? How 
were they productive?

Did you attend any workshops that were interesting/helpful/useful?
Do you feel that the attendance (numbers and the particular individuals) 
made for a good audience and discussions?


It's also useful for those responding to identify themselves as to 
developer, user, professional user, enthusiast, etc. (I suppose some 
could be all of these)


I only mean this as an initial framework to add to, subtract from, or 
refine as others see fit.


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Re: [CREATE] Lost my camera - probably at LGM site

[Gregory Pittman]

On 05/02/2012 09:27 PM, Simon Budig wrote:

Hi all.

I miss my SLR camera in a red crumpler bag. I'd very much appreciate
if it would find its way back to me. Please have a look around, it might
be very well in the rows of the conference site or the cafeteria.

To confirm my Identity you may ask me about the Brand/Model and the
Lens...

Thanks,
 Simon

Late yesterday there was a red bag at the top of the stairs but it's not 
there  now.


Greg

I should say at the top of the steps in the auditorium.
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Re: [CREATE] Lost my camera - probably at LGM site

[Gregory Pittman]

On 05/02/2012 09:27 PM, Simon Budig wrote:

Hi all.

I miss my SLR camera in a red crumpler bag. I'd very much appreciate
if it would find its way back to me. Please have a look around, it might
be very well in the rows of the conference site or the cafeteria.

To confirm my Identity you may ask me about the Brand/Model and the
Lens...

Thanks,
 Simon

Late yesterday there was a red bag at the top of the stairs but it's not 
there  now.


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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2011 program

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/11/2012 03:28 AM, Cédric Gémy wrote:

lo ale

Someone asked me if i add a PDF copy of the program of last LGM, in
french (yes). Unfortunately, i didn't. Actually the website is down so
that i can even not advise him to look there ?
Would anyone have something that i could give ?


i have something... but i'm not sure that it's the final version...
and i can't check, since the site is not online...

ping me if you want a couple of html files...



that would be great anyway. Could you send me what you have asap ?



There is the river-valley.tv site which has videos of many of the talks, 
perhaps an indirect way to sense what the program was.


http://river-valley.tv/conferences/lgm-2011

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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2012 in Vienna?

[Gregory Pittman]

On 09/14/2011 05:08 PM, Daniel Jahre wrote:

Hello,

thank you all for that positive feedback. We started the talks with
our location. Their first response was also positive.
Now we need to meet within the next two weeks them to figure out all
the details and to get the OK from their management.
So it looks very good at the moment. Please stay tuned.

FWIW, the 'LGM Board' was also virtually unanimously in favor of Vienna. 
There was one we didn't hear from...


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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2012 in Vienna?

[Gregory Pittman]

On 09/05/2011 08:26 AM, S.Kemter wrote:
 Hi,

 Time to say something about that event in Vienna, I was the last 4 years
 there.
 This year I had 2 workshops about Inkscape and 2 about GIMP there and 
a talk

 about which graphic floss tool for what purpose.

 So since this year the Linuxwochen Vienna are hosted on Technikum 
Vienna, look
 in the attachment. There are rooms enough but the organizers have to 
ask for

 them. Look in the attachment.
 Airport  there is one, well connected to all others in Europe and 
there are

 direct flights from Atlanta so that should be not the problem.
 Visa, Austria is member of the european union, so no problems for 
europeans or
 us/canadian citizen. For the rest who needs visa, should be no 
problem for the

 organizers of invite them if it needed for visa application
 Hotels are also not really a problem, you can have rooms for prizes 
between

 20-500€ a night. Not far from the venue is a youth hostel what would be a
 cheap solution, its not an normal one, they have only double rooms 
with shower

 and closet in the room so more a hotel then a hostel.
 Even you choose a hotel far from the venue, public transport is very 
good.

 There are also public bikes available.

 So some ask are there updates, yes there are. As daja wrote no of the 
required

 things is really a problem.

 so now is up to you to decide, we do it or we do it not. And that 
moves it

 forward, not waiting of a proposal.

 so what should the next steps?

 1. Decide yes or no
 2. Decide which day should be extra, wednesday or sunday or both or 
whatever,
 so that the organizers of Linuxwochen can ask the university for the 
rooms.

 3. tell them the decisions


One thing I like about this is that it tries out something new for LGM 
-- having the meeting around the time of other meeting(s), to see how 
this increases the interest in libre graphics and makes some new 
connections. We also might plan some joint social/entertainment events.


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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2012

[Gregory Pittman]

On 08/12/2011 09:49 AM, Louis Desjardins wrote:

Hi Joao !

So far and to my knowledge the only formal and yet to be officially
proposed (only a matter of vacation time, actually) and the most serious
location and team is Toulouse in France. More to come in the coming
weeks (or days, even).

I am very happy to read your proposal and can't wait to know more about it.


I would hope that maybe for a change we might not only have a solid #1 
proposal for 2012, but perhaps #2 might be tentatively lined up for 2013.


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[CREATE] LGM 2011 site

[Gregory Pittman]

Someone needs to update the front page to include a link for the videos 
now being posted:


http://river-valley.tv/conferences/lgm-2011

I would suggest making it more prominent than the generic link to videos 
for older LGMs now is.


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Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Gregory Pittman]

On 06/14/2011 12:11 PM, Lila Pagola wrote:

2011/6/12 Felipe Sanchesj...@members.fsf.org:

I would certainly attend LGM in Argentina!

:)

Since I live in Argentina, me too!
Of course I offer all my support, and I guess I can get the same from
the institutions/communities I participate in... despite I don't live
in Buenos Aires, but in Córdoba, as Dave and Felipe know.

I think we have much work to do in Argentina regarding libre graphics,
so hosting an LGM is a challenge and an excellent opportunity to build
a stronger community including more users, designers, artists,
students...

Argentina would be also a very affordable option for our friends from
Brasil, Uruguay and Chile, at least, to participate of LGM.
best,


Perhaps needless to say, but I think Argentina answers concerns that 
many have had about trying to reach out to some new areas of the world 
for LGM. The key thing, as with any LGM, is the local support for 
organizing the event. I can't guarantee that I can come, but I would 
certainly like to and will try hard if that is where it ends up taking 
place.


From the Scribus project point-of-view, I know we have some struggles 
trying to connect to the Spanish-speaking Scribus users wherever they 
are, so this could definitely advance us in that area.


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Re: [CREATE] LGM

[Gregory Pittman]

On 05/25/2011 07:20 PM, Jakub Szypulka wrote:

Hey guys,

I just wanted to drop an email hoping you guys had a good time this
year! I've talked to a bunch of you, and the impressions seemed
excellent, just like every year ;)

For those who I haven't talked to yet, I couldn't come because I had
my final exams at school during the very time period of the conference
:(

I will definitely want to attend the next conference however, and make
a film if wanted. Did you guys perhaps come up already with a place
and time period? I assume it will be some time in May again. What
about the location though?


We had an LGM board meeting of sorts, and it didn't seem that we came to 
a great consensus.


My sense of the conversation was that we were somewhat divided between 
the merits of Berlin (or some other suitable German city), and Viet Nam.


What we don't have as of yet is a champion at either location (or some 
other) who has stepped forward to do the real planning and make a real 
proposal. Some of the other board members may have information I am not 
aware of.


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Re: [CREATE] pinpoint

[Gregory Pittman]

On 05/19/2011 07:33 PM, Simon Budig wrote:

Gregory Pittman (gpitt...@iglou.com) wrote:

oh well, compiling problems...
fedora tells me it has clutter-1.2

Do you have the clutter development packages installed?

Why didn't I think of that?
good idea but it didn't work...

Ok, maybe now I've getting a sense of the meaning of the feedback:

Requested 'clutter-1.0 = 1.3' but version of Clutter is 1.2.14

I guess all clutters are named clutter-1.0, even though the version 
might be 1.3, 1.4, etc. (sigh)


Off to finding and compiling clutter...

Greg



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Re: [CREATE] pinpoint

[Gregory Pittman]

On 05/19/2011 07:59 PM, Gregory Pittman wrote:

On 05/19/2011 07:33 PM, Simon Budig wrote:

Gregory Pittman (gpitt...@iglou.com) wrote:

oh well, compiling problems...
fedora tells me it has clutter-1.2

Do you have the clutter development packages installed?

Why didn't I think of that?
good idea but it didn't work...

Ok, maybe now I've getting a sense of the meaning of the feedback:

Requested 'clutter-1.0 = 1.3' but version of Clutter is 1.2.14

I guess all clutters are named clutter-1.0, even though the version 
might be 1.3, 1.4, etc. (sigh)


Off to finding and compiling clutter...


Oh me...

This is too much work. It seems that there really is a long list of 
dependencies of advanced versions of various things, but configure only 
tells you one at a time, and they are generally not in fedora's 
repositories in recent enough versions. Just don't have the energy for 
compiling 10 different packages just to _try_ to compile pinpoint.


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Re: [CREATE] pinpoint

[Gregory Pittman]

On 05/19/2011 08:40 PM, Øyvind Kolås wrote:

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Gregory Pittmangpitt...@iglou.com  wrote:

Requested 'clutter-1.0= 1.3' but version of Clutter is 1.2.14

I guess all clutters are named clutter-1.0, even though the version might
be 1.3, 1.4, etc. (sigh)

They are all named clutter-1.0 since later versions of the 1.x series
are compatible with 1.0


Off to finding and compiling clutter...


Oh me...

This is too much work. It seems that there really is a long list of
dependencies of advanced versions of various things, but configure only
tells you one at a time, and they are generally not in fedora's repositories
in recent enough versions. Just don't have the energy for compiling 10
different packages just to _try_ to compile pinpoint.

Pinpoint should depend on Clutter 1.4 or newer, (the oddness of x.3
indicates that it depended on the development version of clutter at
the time it was written). Clutter 1.4.0 was released 2010-09-24, you
might be better off trying to compile that version of clutter and
installing its dependencies than going for a bleeding edge version of
Clutter. Alternatively... fedora 15 is out in a couple of days.

Ok. Will wait and see.

Thanks.

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Re: [CREATE] LGM talks calendar file

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I only included the talks from may 10-13 because that's what I plan to
attend to and I was fed up with dealing with calendars (no app seems
happy dealing with1h events)... if someone sends me a patch I can
update that file :)


to the obsessive-compulsive:

typo on the program page --

Breaking News! line has Thursday misspelled.

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Re: [CREATE] Montréal-Python graphics special on Monday 2011-05-09

[Gregory Pittman]

On 04/29/2011 12:52 PM, Yannick Gingras wrote:

On April 29, 2011, a.l.e wrote:

if nobody has anything better to tell, i can talk about the scribus'
scripter engine... not more than 20 minutes, though!

there won't be any deep technical details but i may be able to show you
a curious way to abuse it...


That would be awesome!


a.l.e creates intrique...

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Re: [CREATE] Fedora LGM 2011 Remix

[Gregory Pittman]

On 04/29/2011 01:29 PM, Pierros Papadeas wrote:

Hello all!

We are trying to create a Remix of Fedora (our beloved Linux distro)
bundled with all the tools that will be used during the upcoming LGM.
The purpose of it is to be distributed at LGM 2011 as a reference
point for all participants that they want it and also to be used in
workshops during the event.

Moreover, the assortment of the software/tools that will form it, will
act as a basis on which we are going to reform the Fedora Design Suite
[1] (our design oriented Fedora Spin)

Please go ahead and reply to this message with the name of the
LGM-Design-relevant tool/software that you
use/create/adore/love/wanna-see !


At least from Scribus's perspective, I would suggest that it include the 
various tools and header files for building svn versions...as the true 
libre graphics afficionado would surely wish to do!


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Re: [CREATE] REMINDER - Propose your Talk : Deadline April 20, 2011

[Gregory Pittman]

On 04/04/2011 01:46 AM, a.l.e wrote:

hi louis,


Only to dissipate any confusion here, the deadline to propose a talk
at LGM 2011 has not changed, it's April 20, 2011.

The info on the wiki form…
http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/Conference_2011/Submit_Talk
…is ok and reads as follow:

Conference 2011/Submit Talk

Welcome to the Libre Graphics Meeting 2011 Talk/Presentation
Submission Page!

Please submit a talk to Libre Graphics Meeting 2011. Enter the
proposed title of your talk, and then fill out the required
information for your presentation (talk) to be considered for LGM
2011 in Montreal. If you need help using this wiki, please see the
Help:Editing page. Submission deadline: April 20, 2011. Happy
Proposing!!!

If you'd like to see other proposals, please look at the Conference
Talk Proposal 2011 Category. If your talk is accepted, it will appear
in the Conference Talk Accepted 2011 Category.



i also had in mind the 1. april deadline...

now, i have a small problem with the deadline on april 20:
i have proposed a panel and i will start to organize it, if it gets accepted... 
but i'd prefer to know much earlier, if i have to do some further work on it or 
let it be.

does the new deadline apply also for the panels submission? is there a 
different deadline for it?

Perhaps the deadline does not need to refer to when talks might be 
approved, and in fact it would make sense for selected talks/panels to 
be approved ASAP.

Maybe there can be 3 categories at this early stage:

1. Definite approval
2. Potential approval -- might be a reason to supply some more details 
about a proposal

3. Unknown or waiting list

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[CREATE] Fwd: Re: Urgent fix needed on LGM website

[Gregory Pittman]

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [CREATE] Urgent fix needed on LGM website
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 09:39:45 -0400
From: Gregory Pittman gpitt...@iglou.com
To: Femke Snelting snelt...@collectifs.net

On 04/03/2011 03:35 AM, Femke Snelting wrote:

Dear Louis, all,

There is this info on the 2011 press release:

The LGM community wants to hear your proposal for a session. Submit
your idea any time between now and April 1, 2011 by visiting
http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/Conference_2011/Submit_Talk;

http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/Conference_2011_Press_Release_1

So that is why the April 1 date started to spread. Could you please
confirm it is 20 april and not the first? We'll correct :-)


The first would make no sense except as an April Fool's Day joke.

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Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

[Gregory Pittman]

On 03/28/2011 10:35 AM, Louis Desjardins wrote:

2011/3/28 a.l.e ale.comp...@xox.ch mailto:ale.comp...@xox.ch

hi

by reading

http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/Conference

my conclusion is that there is no place for a panel on


How to keep and make productive libre graphics projects?

at the LGM 2011.

is this correct?


Hi Ale,

Please make a proposal. I see no evidence that there is no room for such
a panel. We're just not there yet. The program is in the gathering of
proposal state, not in the conclusion state !


This is not directed at this specific proposal alone, but rather a 
suggestion that we get beyond the point of having panels that seem like 
a good idea, yet in the end are poorly formulated, have no agenda other 
than some vague sense of what we want to talk about or listen to, and do 
not consider the makeup of the panel not just in terms of who knows what 
but rather consider the information-entertainment impact of particular 
panel members -- as many as possible that score high on the scales of 
Likes to talk and Fun/informative to listen to.


What I am saying is that panels should be somewhat carefully 
constructed, that someone be in charge of a sketch of what the panel 
will discuss, with interaction between panel members _before_ LGM. Often 
I think the spontaneous interaction with the audience is enhanced by 
having an interesting collection of planned topics.
We can also solicit feedback from attendees or at least heavily use any 
spontaneous feedback we get, especially when it includes superlatives, 
but more importantly, there should be some collected group (Board 
members and others) who have some sort of post event discussion about 
the panels, which worked and why, which didn't work and why, so that we 
can learn from this and use the information in future, maybe even 
publish on the Create list.


A positive outcome of this planning ahead is being able to build 
interest in the panel by including in the program something about its 
content. If we have a hard time making it sound interesting, maybe it's 
a panel that shouldn't happen.


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Re: [CREATE] Another Poster concept for LGM

[Gregory Pittman]

On 03/25/2011 07:37 PM, j...@rejon.org wrote:

whoa, quite nice!

Is there a way to get these turned into thumbnails and scattered around 
to some high-traffic sites to use as a link to LGM? I think they're more 
eye-grabbing than our logo (no offense).


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Re: [CREATE] Access to LGM website

[Gregory Pittman]

On 03/21/2011 10:59 PM, Louis Desjardins wrote:


It's been days now.

It’s taking too long to solve simple issues.

I have lost confidence in the actual web team for LGM.

I now ask that they pull off and let the keys to others.

We need things done and we need them done with no further delays.

I am sorry for all the noise on this list but direct emails have had no
effect so here we are now.

I am ready to take over. All I need now is the full access to the server.


As someone who has no intention of getting involved with working on the 
site, I would at least like to see comments/complaints clearly identify 
specific and hopefully named issues, perhaps in some numbered or 
bulleted list, as we might do if we were running this as some business 
operation (which it is, of course).


Simply ping-ponging back and forth between everything's Ok to there 
are unsolved problems is not helpful on a practical level.


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Re: [CREATE] Access to LGM website

[Gregory Pittman]

On 03/19/2011 08:56 AM, Craig Bradney wrote:



I don't know the site's architecture.  I do know that before giving up a tool
I would want to have a comprehensive look at what works and what not, and make
sure that the change of tool is not just for the sake of changing tool.

My understanding from this discussion is that there is a need for faster
collaboration across time zones.  I am not in the position to judge if a
change of tool will fix this.  I don't know enough.  Just trying to help with
a few ideas/pointers.  If you want me to help, I can make some time available
in April and I will first need to understand what's on the ground before
starting to fiddle.

If anything, people should have sorted their required access months ago,
not now. Its really ridiculous to watch people whine at this point that
things are taking too long or they don't have access. Ale could have
sorted this for those people ages ago.

Maybe they could get it sorted earlier in time for next year?


Well said, Craig.

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Re: [CREATE] Access to LGM website

[Gregory Pittman]

On 03/19/2011 10:19 AM, j...@rejon.org wrote:

Have youbguya donated or blogged about the upcoming Conference?


One of the things I think we should address formally is the idea of paid 
advertising on the LGM site. I'm not talking about just any old ads 
regarding p3nis enlargement or the benefits of acai berries, but some 
graphics-related ads (example: Adobe). Or even various players in the 
computing realm, open source or not (Ubuntu, Dell, HP, IBM, RedHat, Google).


We live currently (subject to change) in a time where it seems to be 
accepted in some form, at various sites where free information is 
provided, that some ads will be seen on the sidebars that pay the way 
for this free information.


Have we extended a special invitation for those involved in Google 
Summer of Code to come see what LGM is all about, so we can generate 
some esteem on their part for our various projects? It doesn't matter if 
this year's GSoC is already decided by the time LGM2011 happens.


Have we rolled out the red carpet (so to speak) for HP, with its heavy 
investment and involvement in graphics printing, to be an honored guest 
at LGM? (With the tacit backup of contacting Canon or Epson or Brother 
or Lexmark -- ok, we'll be happy with money, but we want you to come too)


Have we talked to any of these people about linking to LGM from their 
sites? (we're really not threatening to them in any way -- we're pretty 
benign compared to their real competitors)


Let's make LGM2011 viral.

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Re: [CREATE] LGM2011: Pledgie, call for papers, marketing push

[Gregory Pittman]

On 03/11/2011 08:32 AM, Yuval Levy wrote:

On March 11, 2011 08:00:59 AM Louis Desjardins wrote:

My take is I would prefer that the surroundings graphics change from year
to year but not the logo and not the type. Something has to remain
consistent. It's branding.


+1

This reinvention of the wheel at every LGM edition is a waste of resources
that brands LGM as immature.



To me it is far more important to have the PR and Pledgie and Website and
Call for participation out and Sponsors than any other consideration at
this point in time


yes, freeze the brand for the next five years and focus development of those
areas that really adds long-term value to LGM rather than wasting resources on
the creation of the next disposable brand.


I'm in favor of a large element of constancy, but also that there be 
some creative play to keep each year distinct, and something more than 
just the color scheme.


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Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

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On 02/23/2011 10:25 PM, Yuval Levy wrote:

On February 21, 2011 03:32:18 pm Gregory Pittman wrote:

 very interesting idea to write the manual first :)


If we do this, it would be nice if some could show some prototype ideas
of what this might look like or how this might work. What would the
workflow be? How would documenters interact with coders?


this discussion about writing the manual first has been going on for a few
days now... and nobody has mentioned things such as mock ups or functional
specifications?

Well written specs are like a very detailed manual but you don't want to
unleash them on the user because of too much detail that is relevant to
analysis and coding but not to usage.

It's a chicken and egg problem.  or a feedback loop.

First there is a vision.  It is analyzed, dissected, recomposed and fleshed
out; articulated into specifications including screens mock ups and functional
specs.

Then it is implemented into code and manual.  The processes are parallel and
influence each other, with close/fast feedback loops.

In an ideal world the initial analysis is so perfect; both coders and
copywriters get it the first time so that when the software and the manual are
delivered to the users, all they can say is wow!

In reality nobody is perfect.  The analysts are likely to miss something in
the func specs; the coders are likely to interpret / implement different than
intended; the tester are likely to find new ideas that would significantly
influence the vision that the analyst had not thought of in the first place;
and so the stage is set for the next cycle leading to v+1.

Simply taking a user manual as a specification document is not enough.  If it
is, that manual is not user-friendly.

There is no perfect workflow either, just put the people in the same room and
get them to talk, talk, talk, until they understand each other, develop a
common sense of purpose and leverage each other's skills.

But it is not a user manual to drive the development.  It is use cases,
analyzed and articulated into mock ups and func specs.


If I understand what Louis and a.l.e were trying to suggest, it was that 
to some extent documentation should try to stay ahead of development, 
before code is even written, so that a comprehensive, cohesive, and 
sensible workflow shows the program where to go. I think we can imagine 
that this is precisely how Steve Jobs has driven the development of 
various Apple products, by focusing on the user experience. One might 
also compare this to some authors of novels, who say that they begin a 
book by creating a set of characters and situations, and then let the 
characters determine where the story goes, and thus the book writes 
itself.


The main question is, how do we translate this to an open source 
situation, with scattered volunteers working on a project? Those in the 
proprietary world might argue that we can't, and this is why open source 
is inferior. If we who are in various ways part of libre graphics don't 
agree, it's up to us to show some results that prove that. This is 
something that could be revolutionary, benefit every single project, and 
attract more interest from those willing to help.


There is a certain amount of creative play that can go on with a libre 
graphics program, but in many cases we begin with a mental concept of 
something we want to create, then try to most efficiently translate that 
to digitized form using whichever program(s) we choose. If we can manage 
to progress from needing to push a long series of buttons (keystrokes 
and mouse clicks) to something more like setting a row of dominoes 
toppling with a few pushes, we begin to make the process less effortful.


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Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

[Gregory Pittman]

On 02/20/2011 07:57 AM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
documenters is a problem -- and that is purely my fault. I've tried to 
write the manual on my own, but I don't have time.
This is certainly a worthy aspect of any discussions. At Scribus, we 
have had something of an evolutionary development of documenters and 
documentation, one offshoot being the publishing of an official manual, 
but I think documentation needs to be more than that, but it may differ 
from one project to another.


One central issue is what kinds of documentation are useful to users. We 
ended up making the printed manual since there were many who insisted 
that they really wanted/needed this format. Yet, as you are using an 
application, there are other kinds of quick reference or maybe some in 
depth understanding about some facet of the application or its use that 
you would like to access. Sometimes you have internet access, sometimes 
you don't. We have a wiki, but a wiki can become a sprawling monster 
that must be fed (updated) to keep it alive and relevent.


My personal biased view as a documenter is that, while it isn't the same 
as writing code, it really is an integral part of development, 
especially with highly complex and capable software. One hopes that it 
can progress in tandem with the code, by necessity a bit behind 
cutting-edge features, and like code should have a modular structure, 
ideally documentation should have a structure that allows for easy 
multipurposing and reuse of materials. I don't think we are there yet, 
but I would like to see us move in that direction. Already we have been 
a more active participant in documentation updates and bugfixes coming 
with svn code updates and bugfixes


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Re: [CREATE] LGM2011 Launch Timings + pledgie drive

[Gregory Pittman]

On 02/12/2011 06:45 AM, Femke Snelting wrote:


Not sure about needing less talks, but in favour of having a few
well-prepared, moderated panels :-)


+1
I would emphasize _well-prepared_. Better to have only one or just a few 
as long as they can be guaranteed (disclaimer: nothing can be 
guaranteed) to be top-notch. Keep the audience in mind.


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Re: [CREATE] LGM Lab — Consultation

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/21/2011 11:38 AM, a.l.e wrote:

hi

Hence my question to you... What do you think ? Will there be more
developers willing to go to ICGQ after or before LGM ?

I will meet again with the people from ICGQ on Monday. Your input will
help
us make the best out of this offer.


personally, i'd prefer before...

i also have some doubt that mother day will be so important for our
target (but i don't know the canadian habits :-).

and concerning the real issues, i wonder if it's better

- to have an event for artists on the weekend before and hope that some
of them will come and see the real LGM or

- to have some developers around for one week and help to prepare a
wonderful event for the artists.


My personal preference as a non-developer barnacle to LGM is to make 
this close to LGM, ie, the day before (Monday), or Saturday after. It 
just makes the travels plans, etc, more compact.


Barnacles never try to make a power-play.

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Re: [CREATE] Reclaim your tools. A film by Jakub Szypulka

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/12/2011 09:13 AM, helen varley jamieson wrote:

hi jake,
well done on the film, nice to remember the event  also the locality in
brussels :)

i want to comment on the almost complete absence of women from the film.
i'm sure this was not intentional,  i appreciate that the video is your
individual perspective of the event rather than attempting to be
representative. but it's disappointing that it perpetuates the image of
open source as a boy's club. i know that many of you on this list don't
percieve this as a problem; but i do. the women who attended, presented
and did a significant amount of the organising of LGM have been excluded
from the only publicly-available video documentation, giving the message
to the outside world that only men are involved in LGM.


OTOH, if you check the LGM website, you will find many pictures of women 
who attended, and there are the publicly available videos of women who 
gave presentations, so I think your perception is inaccurate.


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Re: [CREATE] Reclaim your tools. A film by Jakub Szypulka

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/12/2011 11:17 AM, Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra wrote:

Sorry for my english.

For me it's a beautiful video  a beautiful music.
In my opinion, the problem was not in lacking women.
But it's not representing LGM, maybe this video represent the LGM of Jakub.
We don't see the specificatino of what is LGM on this video secund me.

I don't know what is your choice, Jake, on the scenario of this film. I
think there is not. Is it more esthetical choice ?

This video not show the spirit of LGM :
conference : speaker point of view, people point of view, some very
beautiful slide
workshop : see people working, see exchange between people and the
animator (the image of cedric gemy is so little to understand the
specification of workshop)
working group/reunion : see developer and user think about a problem
(see some passionate exchange like in the svg group ^^)
LGM is graphic : see the OSP show

some funny part of LGM 2010 :
the birthday at nith of Rejon
the acrobatic photography by Prokoudine
the happiness of the Fedora team
the big dinner all together
the organize team
the photography of the entire group.


My sense of what Jake was doing was more of an experimentation than 
anything. Without some outside explanation, one would have a hard time 
saying what this film depicted, other than some collection of men (sic), 
some sitting at desks, presumably as part of some presentation, some 
clicking away at keyboards, and various others just hanging out.
There is no soundtrack other than music, no subtitles or text in frames 
to explain what is being shown.
One might consider it a proof of concept of using open source tools to 
put something like this together, and something to grow from, perhaps 
inspire others to do something more to their own taste.


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Re: [CREATE] Reclaim your identity.

[Gregory Pittman]

On 01/12/2011 12:05 PM, ginger coons wrote:

The gingerlessness, I should clarify, is because young ginger, still in
art school, saw a plug for LGM 2007 on (I believe) the Inkscape site and
thought Awesome! That's just a few metro stops from home. I should go.
then went for a few hours, felt overwhelming feelings of outsiderness
(the issue of no one like me is here) and went home. Thought about the
experience for two years, came back in 2009 and talked about it. Just to
give a little extra perspective on the outsider issue.

But at this point, ginger, I think you should relish the feeling that 
no one is like me (to paraphrase). We live in a world of imitations, 
artificiality, and the bourgeoisie (plus the bourgeoisie wannabes).


Like this countercurrent about the involvement of women at LGM, I think 
you will find that people at LGM will let you and others be what you 
want to be.


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Re: [CREATE] Dec Reimbursement Inquery

[Gregory Pittman]

On 12/13/2010 03:01 PM, Louis Desjardins wrote:

Emails are great but in this particular and sensible case where money is
involved and people waiting for it we need the three-way handshake: I
send you an email, you send me a confirmation that you got it and I send
you a confirmation that I know you got it.


This can help, I suppose, as long as there is a time-sensitive aspect, 
so that if you haven't heard back in say, 48 hrs, you must presume your 
message was not received.


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Re: [CREATE] Libre Graphics Magazine 1.1 is available to read, buy and modify

[Gregory Pittman]

On 11/18/2010 12:36 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote:

On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 22:49 -0500, Gregory Pittman wrote:
[...]

Something to point out (that I'll admit I didn't notice on my own) is
that there is generally a failure to use typographic quotes in the text
of the magazine.


It was one of the first things I noticed, along with the lack of
ligatures for fi and fl.  Let allone ffi and ffl :) But, it's an early
edition of a magazine, give people a break :-)


I was merely pointing this out to help avoid future embarrassment, plus 
the fact that it's at least conceivable to correct these things for the 
downloadable edition, let alone printed ones if they're not printed yet.


It's just something that needs to be in the workflow.

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Re: [CREATE] Questions and reflections about gradients

[Gregory Pittman]

On 11/03/2010 08:34 PM, Sven Langkamp wrote:
Nothing was seen to suggest a significant neuropathic process in the 
right upper extremity.

The main difference of the segmented gradients is that can have
different interpolations per segment. There are interpolations like
sinus and color interpolations like HSV. Of course in probably 99% of
the cases just linear is used. For the application it doesn't really
matter if the gradient comes as stop or segment gradient. In Krita we
can use can use both types and for Karbon we convert Gimp gradients to
stop gradients (with potential loss of some features).

I think that stops or endpoints, then having the interpolation being a 
family of mathematical interpretations gives the most flexibility. It is 
good here not to be trapped by what others are doing or what has been 
done before. I could imagine that 3rd or 4th order polynomial equations 
as the basis for the interpolation could produce some interesting 
results, not mention some Mandelbrot-like equations.


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Re: [CREATE] Open source ideas associated with profits for industries.

[Gregory Pittman]

On 09/11/2010 10:07 AM, Susan Spencer wrote:

Just FYI...
This TED talk is from May, 2010.
Open source ideas are on the radar for big business.
It's interesting that open source is being discussed as a business
approach which greatly enhances the bottom line at a conference which
cost around $2200 to attend.

_*Johanna Blakley: Lessons from fashion's free culture*_
Copyright law's grip on film, music and software barely touches the
fashion industry ... and fashion benefits in both innovation and sales,
says Johanna Blakley. At TEDxUSC 2010, she talks about what all creative
industries can learn from fashion's free culture.
http://www.ted.com/talks/johanna_blakley_lessons_from_fashion_s_free_culture.html


I think these are good points, excellent points in fact. We need more 
anti-greed points of view like this. Someone to point out the there can 
be innovation, sometimes quite exciting innovation outside the walls of 
protectionism.


I think perhaps fashion designers have the same perspective that I do 
with things I create: as long as you don't make some literal copy of 
what I do and pretend it's your own, I can live with you seeing what I 
do and reassembling the bits and pieces as you see fit. Everything I do 
is to some extent exactly that. I would hope that the value that I 
present has to do with where I go from now, rather than where I have been.


Filmmakers have a phrase that specifically deals with this as they pay 
homage to some prior work as they do a riff on someone's scene or 
dialog. Automakers think nothing of copying some features of the look 
of a Mercedes in the rear profile of a Ford.


We live in a time of a subpopulation mindset that looks for some way to 
do some work, or capture someone else's work, then collect money from it 
for the rest of their lives. This would be quite absurd thinking in fashion.


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Re: [CREATE] Open Source Fashion Software Update

[Gregory Pittman]

On 08/21/2010 10:13 PM, Susan Spencer wrote:

Thank you Alexandre for the news story on inkscape.org
http://inkscape.org/

And Jon, a fashion show next LGM would be both excellent and goofy.
'goofy'= 'geeky' + ridiculous amounts of beer

I'll develop some more men's designs, and and then jump ahead to create
the website for user login, measurement input and storage, and listing
of patterns  for custom svg or pdf download with instructions.  At some
point I'll be able to handle special requests for patterns.  And be
available to answer any questions about construction.

Eventually I'll have to develop the extensions, icons, toolbar, help
files, and interface so that designs can be developed by other users,
and they can post their designs on the website, too.  It's the design
that requires the 'old ways' and is not so well known.

But anyone is welcome to download the current files.  If they can read
my clunky code, they can change the extensions to draw what they want.


It will be interesting to see where this goes, and interesting to see 
who might pick up on this and adapt it to some other situation where 
they are applying 2-dimensional materials onto a 3-dimensional 
framework. In that sense, it's reminiscent of the presentations at LGM 
2009, where there were projections of images onto variably shaped surfaces.


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Re: [CREATE] LG magazine #1::∞

[Gregory Pittman]

On 08/18/2010 09:58 AM, Louis Desjardins wrote:

2010/8/18 Jon Nordby jono...@gmail.com mailto:jono...@gmail.com

Ale, if you want to create a magazine issue at or for froscamp, I'd
say go for it!

While I completely agree that one should aim for periodic releases,
the important thing is to actually create issues of the magazine and
get them out to people!

And please, do keep your ideas and thoughts coming.


Agree! :)


As somewhat of an outsider, in that I'm not a developer, or designer, or 
artist (and consequently my opinions may carry no weight with any of the 
aforementioned) which does perhaps lead to some objectivity in this:


- I don't know that the LGM Board needs to be too tightly overseeing all 
activities that the various interested persons and groups might have, 
such as magazines, the direction that the various graphics projects 
might take, and so on. So there isn't any approval process that someone 
has to go through to make some publication, and I don't see that some 
need to be official publications in any way.


- It's better to have various individuals and groups doing what they can 
to show the possibilities of open source applications, with the LGM 
Board, or the Create list participants cheering them on, and not feeling 
that some endorsement is necessary.


- And it won't hurt to also be able to show that we can work together or 
individually in a friendly cooperative, encouraging way as another plus 
for open source. Hopefully it's not as hard as herding cats or passing 
legislation.


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Re: [CREATE] Fwd: Re: [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website

[Gregory Pittman]

 I have to say I like the more beefy look of Camille's work. Also the 
use of vibrant colors, yet keeping the text parts highly legible.


Greg

On 08/18/2010 07:51 PM, Robert Martinez wrote:

Hello,

allow me to hop in here: some time ago I made a redesegin of the 
create page, but it didn't go online because neither jon nor I had the 
time to copy some stuff around on the server.

(it is just the current markup with new css + +images + @fontface)

  here is the html: http://mray.de/create/test.html
  here is a screenshot: http://mray.de/create/Screenshot.jpg

It misses quite some elements regarding the new content, but in terms 
of a new look I consider it to be a relevant option.


Supposed new stuff is added - what do you think?


Cheers,
Robert

On 08/18/2010 06:22 PM, Camille Bissuel wrote:

Hi all,

Let's try a design suicide by posting some sketchs on a creative 
peoples mailing list ;)


So, I've started to sketch this new website :
http://www.yagraph.org/images/create/draft-web-create-news.png
http://www.yagraph.org/images/create/draft-web-create-peoples.png
http://www.yagraph.org/images/create/draft-web-create-projects.png

It's very hard to draw something meaningful for all projects, so I 
keep on abstract backgrounds (neutrals), and black and white titles 
and icons to let the eye focus on content.


If you feel to test it yourself or improve it, corresponding SVG 
(made in Inkscape 0.47) files are here : 
http://www.yagraph.org/images/create/
Backgrounds are generated thought ImageSpace 
http://imagespace.sourceforge.net/. Icons are a personal rework of 
the tango icon set. Fonts are Bitstream Charter and DejaVu Sans.


Index page is supposed to be the News or About page.

Stay one problem : I know how to transform thoses sketches in Web 
pages in Wordpress, but I'm not sure if I can achieve it with Anwiki 
or Mediawiki.


Please comment on content and design.
If needed to do not flood this mailing list, we may go on this 
discussion with a smaller set of volunteer peoples.


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Re: [CREATE] Fwd: Re: [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website

[Gregory Pittman]

On 08/16/2010 08:22 AM, Camille Bissuel wrote:

Thanks a lot, Alexandre, I make a copy now, and see what we can do with it.
At last, I understood, and we found some place to start building.


I can't say that I have anything at the moment, but I suppose it might 
make sense for those with content ideas, and especially content itself, 
to submit directly to Camille, who is functioning as our editor of sorts.


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Re: [CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website

[Gregory Pittman]

On 08/14/2010 02:52 AM, j...@rejon.org wrote:

Seriously? how about we let anyone create nonprofits and foundations
and raise money in our name? There is only a limited pot of money.
This isn't so casual or cowboy a process.


I think that there has to be the acceptance that there is freedom for 
those who wish to, to do these kinds of things. There is danger of 
fractionization, it seems we already have at least a couple of factions 
in this discussion.


A problem with many discussions is that various negative reactions and 
emotions about the topic get exaggerated, and sometimes a reality check 
by seeing what someone is actually proposing can allay various concerns.


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Re: [CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website

[Gregory Pittman]

 On 08/13/2010 08:08 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:


As someone who dares calling himself a creative person I can say for
sure that I've buried a bunch of interesting projects because I didn't
dare to go from concept in my head to real implementation. If you (not
you, Yuv:)) really intend to realize this project, the best way, as
Susan suggested, would be to ditch the whole thread and start with a
proof of concept. Otherwise you will *never* get anything done.
Yes, I think that anytime Camille and ale want to proceed with something 
that we can tear to...excuse me, make some constructive comments about, 
they can do so. It's important not to put too much effort into details 
that can be developed later.


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[CREATE] LGM 2012

[Gregory Pittman]

This may seem a disoriented subject, but what I would like to bring up 
is that, especially in view of what we see going on currently as the LGM 
2011 site is being vetted, I think that LGM has matured enough that 
future meetings need to become something more than an ad hoc process.


I routinely find it bothersome and annoying whenever I have some meeting 
in which some major decision needs to be made, yet am given no 
preliminary information about the decision, perhaps some preliminary 
ideas that someone might have, and so on. One frequently has the 
suspicion that there have been secret meetings or discussions, in which 
decisions have more or less already been made, and then the meeting 
becomes an effort to try to get some rubberstamp approval without much 
discussion.


Worse is when there really is no sense of what decision is to be made, 
yet there is pressure to come to some decision rapidly.


It's clear to me that the idea the we can come together at one LGM with 
a more or less blank slate for where the next LGM will be and believe 
that some good ideas will come about, and that some consensus or 
agreement might come about at the LGM meeting is at best wishful thinking.


I would propose that while we are grinding away at the discussion for 
2011 that either now or very soon discussion begin about the LGM 2012 
location. Many things can happen in 2 years, of course, but 
realistically, many things can happen in a year or less, so if nothing 
else, the proposed site for 2 years from now can stand as a backup for 
one year from now should some initial planning fall through. The other 
advantage is that when LGM 2011 rolls around, the discussion at the end 
becomes a more practical, detail-oriented discussion about 2012, and the 
nebulous proposals begin about 2013. Finally, I can imagine that having 
an extra year of planning for some locations might also be a good idea.


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Re: [CREATE] Free as in Speech, and Vietnam?

[Gregory Pittman]

Aside from the philosophical/political elements, we might also want to 
see if we can find information about some of the core technical issues 
that will be of great importance to attendees...


Do we know that the power grid is dependable where the site is being 
proposed?


Are there potential privacy issues as attendees bring computers into the 
host country, such as our laptops being subject to search of hard 
drives, memory sticks, etc., by authorities either on arriving or on 
leaving?


Are there export issues or other restrictions as computers and other 
technology are being taken out of ones home country to this part of the 
world?


Will there be adequate wireless connection(s) available?

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Re: [CREATE] [LGF] Get a status : association, foundation ...

[Gregory Pittman]

On 06/05/2010 08:55 AM, a.l.e wrote:

salut camille,

   

Another thing is disturbing for me (with Hin-Tak Leung intervention):
what can we do for peoples in Asia, Oceania or Africa ?
 

shouldn't we ask the question the other way round?

what do they want us to do for (or even better with) them?

they certainly want an LGM... let's see if we can make it become reality!
   
I think there are some practical considerations re: this proposal to 
have next year's LGM in Viet Nam.


1. The largest overriding issue is how many who have previous attended 
LGM will make this trip to southeast Asia? For me and probably most, 
this is a big trip to plan, a very long way to go, and I have to say I 
am unlikely to make such a trip just on its face value (and for me, it's 
not about the expense). If few of the usual attendees go to LGM 2011, it 
would be not only of little value to the stated purpose, but also takes 
some of the steam out of the momentum that LGM has developed since its 
inception.


2. Is this idea that there are many programmers in Viet Nam, and we 
could use their skills one which makes practical sense? There are 
programmers all round the world these days. It might make more sense 
from that point of view to consider India, as Kaveh proposed last year. 
Speaking for the Scribus project, we have actually had real, tangible 
interest from some computer science students in India, and have already 
had some completed work added to Scribus. I think it's naive to suggest 
that LGM going to Viet Nam is suddenly going to launch a major influx of 
programmers from that country. It would be more sensible I think to 
attempt to make connections over the internet in various ways, in a 
sense waiting to see what interest there is. If and when we have 
developed a substantial interest from that part of the world, that would 
be the time to consider a southeast Asian LGM, but maybe not necessarily 
in Viet Nam.


3. It may not be by accident that the ad hoc pattern of LGMs has been 
followed by greater interest and quality of the meetings, where one year 
the meeting is in Montreal, and the next in Europe (or elsewhere). There 
is a certain stability that comes from having a home base like 
Montreal, where most can fairly easily get there and know what to expect.


Sorry to be a fly in the ointment, but I have to believe there are 
others who may share these views.


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Re: [CREATE] [LGF] Some goals, aims or objectives !

[Gregory Pittman]

On 06/05/2010 04:19 AM, Camille Bissuel wrote:

So everyone agree with all this goals ?
I don't believe it !

There's another point to discuss too : when to start each goals ?
Louis have suggested to start a network and to wait to be ready to set 
up any founding, which sound wise.
I don't have any objections to these various proposals, but as we say in 
the US, it's hard to be against something that sounds like Mom and 
apple pie.


Having been involved with a local group that began a nonprofit 
organization (this one for increasing awareness of stroke), we rather 
painstaking went through such a process of creating a charter, filing 
the appropriate papers, and eventually cranking it through the 
governmental approval process, and then found ourselves with a real 
organization having some really good ideas about what we wanted to do in 
the form of where we saw ourselves in the future, recognized as a source 
for various information, awash with the money that would surely come 
flowing in, which we would carefully dole out for a variety of worthy 
reasons.


But then real reality hits, when you realize that all of this 
discussion, planning, and final agreements about the charter and so 
forth are the easiest part.


As I mentioned in the BOF, we should also begin thinking about how it is 
that LGA justifies its existence. First and foremost, do we know that 
the major and minor projects think LGA is good for them? How? What would 
they see an LGA accomplishing that they can't do themselves? How are 
they willing to support LGA? Would LGA perhaps be some kind of threat to 
them? It's problematic if they might only see LGA as a source of money, 
but otherwise want to be left alone.


And what would users appreciate about LGA? Especially considering that 
users are a large silent unseen body of people out there, this could be 
difficult to ascertain.


Finally, what about donors? Donors who are constantly approached for 
donations, who must choose where to spread out those donations that they 
do make. There will be a certain amount of no-brainer donating that will 
come from many sources in small amounts, but clearly we have to seek out 
and satisfy the potential large donors, not just because of the amount 
of money they might donate, but more importantly the magnifying effect 
this would have. There is a reputation and attention that comes from 
getting a major donation from a Google, or who knows, maybe even an 
Oracle or Adobe. Smaller donors use these as cues that someone with the 
resources has vetted this organization and found it worthy. Likewise, 
getting smaller donations from well-respected open source foundations 
can be very valuable.


You may think that this is too early to think about these issues, but if 
you don't you may find yourselves out in the desert with an empty tank 
before you realize it.


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Re: [CREATE] [LGF] Get a status : association, foundation ...

[Gregory Pittman]

On 06/04/2010 01:55 PM, Dave Neary wrote:

Hi,

a.l.e wrote:

in switzerland (and i think in germany and france, too) you don't need
to register an association.


In France we have something called Associations loi 1901 - you need to
register at the prefecture, lodge statutes, minutes of AGMs and the
names  addresses of the officers of the association every year. No tax
returns, if your budget is under a certain amount - but I suspect that
with LGM the association will be over that limit.

If you want donations to be tax deductible, you need to justify that
your association is d'intérêt général - in the public/general interest.


what is harder to do, is to be recognized as a public interest non
profit organization (since free software is not so well known as
charitable activity and most of us refuse to exclude profits from the
uses of our software)... but: do we really need it?


Bigger US donors will appreciate getting tax receipts for donations.
SPI, SFC, GNOME Foundation are all already 501(c)3 organisations in the
US, meaning that donations are tax deductible, and related earnings of
the association are exempt from taxation.


Yes, and to elaborate on this a bit, just like these other countries, 
setting up some corporation in the US is quite simple and quick, but the 
nonprofit status takes some time. Also, the IRS tax code will not allow 
tax exemption for foreign-incorporated and certified tax-exempt 
organizations, and I presume the reverse is true, ie, US tax-exempt 
status has no meaning in the EU. Both the EU and US are quite acutely 
looking out for shady tax shelter schemes, so I think this is 
understandable.


I think what is typically done to satisfy both sides is to set up dual 
nonprofit corporations, one certified in the US and another for the EU. 
Because of the time involved, I would agree that this is not an 
essential initial step, yet in the longer run will likely be essential 
if we are to attract large donations from both sides of the Atlantic.


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Re: [CREATE] spy report

[Gregory Pittman]

On 06/03/2010 03:16 AM, Jan Claeys wrote:

Op woensdag 02-06-2010 om 17:03 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Aileen
Derieg:

Although I have no wish to interrupt current discussions, I just
wanted to let you all know that I have now posted my spy report:
http://blog.furtherfield.org/?q=node/334


First of all: I'm male and I still feel young at 36, but:

 With a more mixed audience, would it have felt slightly less
 jarring, for example, to hear a young man talking about old
 women, as though old women were an alien, barely intelligible
 species? He meant well, of course, his talk was delightfully
 enthusiastic, and I imagine he didn't mean me (I don't know
 anything about knitting or quilting, after all), but I know from
 experience what it feels like to be identified and treated as a
 member of this alien species in other contexts, and I wonder how
 it might feel if there were more of us, a visible, palpable
 presence, listening to a talk like this.



My take on this is that it's an example of being jarred to the point of 
not paying such close attention from the point of being jarred, since as 
one followed the track of the talk, it ended with what we might call a 
denouement of admitting that he has himself become a quilter along with 
these women.


I think there is also a misperception that the speakers, the content, 
the entire attitude of LGM is somehow engineered by the organizers. My 
experience since my first LGM in 2007 is that there is more to Libre 
than graphics, and there has been an effort, quite successful really, to 
be more inclusive, encouraging of various points of view, making 
non-developers welcome, and as Femke said, no proposed talks were refused.


But this is a permission, not a pulling in of viewpoints to create some 
kind of balance. In addition, there has always been by most I think an 
appreciation that we have mostly non-native English speakers trying 
their best to splice words and ideas together, with varying discomfort, 
accuracy, and success at being clear, not only trying to translate words 
but also cultural points of view.


In the end, I don't think it's so far off the beam to suggest that Libre 
Graphics Meetings have the subtext of Libre Minds, both applying to the 
organizers, but also speakers, and hopefully the audience.


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Re: [CREATE] Libre Graphics Whatever - charter prototype

[Gregory Pittman]

On 06/01/2010 12:36 PM, José Cruz wrote:

Hi! I'm agree with Jon about the differents classes of membership. We are a
small company (just two persons) in the graphic design world, using only libre
software, and I think it is interesting to bring more professionals (wich are
intensive users) to FLOSS.


In the vein of discussions about either insufficient or excessive 
power that might come about from various schemes of membership, we can 
consider that there can be some kind of whole-cloth membership for all 
those interested as individuals, then we can have the association also 
consist inside as a number of Sections, each of which could pertain to a 
subgroup, eg, artists/designers, as opposed to another section of 
developers, and others.


The reason for suggesting this is to find a way around simply recreating 
within the organization the same thing we have in the outside world, 
where non-programmer users complain that the developers won't listen to 
their needs/requests, and developers complain that users don't 
understand the constraints of the development process.


This isn't to suggest that a User Section could not have within it some 
developers or that a Developer Section could not have users -- if 
nothing else, there are those who could legitimately claim both kinds of 
activities, as we saw at this year's LGM. Furthermore, one might be a 
member of more than one section.


A section of users might discuss among themselves various feature 
requests or user operability issues so that the best, most coherent 
final requests might be presented to the Developer Section and projects. 
Developers might discuss the feedback from users and the direction 
individual projects are taking to propose improved interoperability, 
then solicit feedback from the User Section to see if these seem worth 
pursuing.


This might also enhance future LGMs by naturally leading to some planned 
BOF-like meetings for individual sections, so that fewer things take 
place in such an ad hoc way.


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Re: [CREATE] [LGF] A name !

[Gregory Pittman]

On 06/01/2010 05:36 PM, Robert Martinez wrote:

On 06/01/2010 01:00 PM, a.l.e wrote:


one last input from me -- for today -- on that matter: what are your
(plural) feeling about using reclaimyourtools.org?



That sounds like a good slogan/motto/claim in combination with create
as a name for the whole thing. at least in my ears:

Create - reclaim your tools
Looking at the stream of consciousness of the various messages, it seems 
to me that on a pragmatic level, going with something simple, easy, and 
already established, like the various create options, may be the best 
way to pound a stake in the sand to get started.
This doesn't limit us to more explanatory subtitles or content 
incorporating some of the very interesting suggestions that have been 
made involving purpose, focus, or maybe even ones that explain what it 
isn't. We certainly don't expect to come up with a name that says it 
all -- that would be absurd thinking.


It's not even so catastrophic to start with a name, then change it later.

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Re: [CREATE] [LGF]Libre Graphics Whatever - charter prototype - about the name

[Gregory Pittman]

On 05/29/2010 06:27 PM, Andreas Vox wrote:

Hi!

After the discussion we had today at LGM about creating an Libre
Graphics Foundation or similar, I'd like to make a proposal for the
charter. I've concentrated on aims and membership, not procedures. As an
umbrella organization, it should concentrate on connecting people and
organizing partnerships between its members. The member organizations
would actually carry out the projects. This would also keep costs and
membership fees to a minimum.

Ok, I'm expecting comments!

/Andreas




0 Libre Graphics

Libre Graphics is a term that describes the idea that people use floss
tools to create and distribute free content. (needs expanding)

1 Name
The name of the organization is Libre Graphics Network (TBD)
Network seems a bit bland and ambiguous to me. I think it's worth trying 
to generate a number of possibilities, some admittedly not very good, 
yet sometimes bad ideas lead to unexpected better ideas.
So if we begin to think of possible words which might fit into a 
framework like 'Libre Graphics X', here are some of my idease for X:


Affiliation; Amalgamation; Assembly (or Assemblage - a legitimate 
English word); Association; Cartel; Chamber; Coalition; Commission; 
Committee; Confederation; Confluence; Congress; Consortium; Convergence; 
Cooperative; Council; Ensemble; Enterprise; Family; Fellowship; Forum; 
Foundation; Fraternity; Gang; Group; Guild; Harmony; Institute; League; 
Legion; Mob; Nexus; Partnership; Posse; Service; Society; Squad; 
Syndicate; Tribe; Troupe; Union; Unity


Again, these are just ideas to toss around coming from a thesaurus search.

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