Re: Comcast@Home bans VPNs
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Phil Karn wrote: I've been saying for some time that we need a IP-over-SSL tunneling protocol standard. ISPs would *never* dare block TCP port 443, since as we all know the only important Internet application is to let people buy stuff online... You can do this using ppp over stunnel[1], a SSL wrapper tool. -d [1] http://www.stunnel.org/ -- | "Bombay is 250ms from New York in the new world order" - Alan Cox | Damien Miller - http://www.mindrot.org/ | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) -or- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work)
Re: Comcast@Home bans VPNs
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Phil Karn wrote: I've been saying for some time that we need a IP-over-SSL tunneling protocol standard. ISPs would *never* dare block TCP port 443, since as we all know the only important Internet application is to let people buy stuff online... You can tunnel PPP over SSH ... -Bram Cohen
Re: Comcast@Home bans VPNs
Is making an SSL connection creating a VPN? It's really not much different in an abstract sense. Most applications are using browsers I've been saying for some time that we need a IP-over-SSL tunneling protocol standard. ISPs would *never* dare block TCP port 443, since as we all know the only important Internet application is to let people buy stuff online... *Great* essay in today's NYT, by the way. Phil
Re: Comcast@Home bans VPNs
Has comcast defined a VPN (i.e., IPsec, SSH, etc.)?
Re: Comcast@Home bans VPNs
Is making an SSL connection creating a VPN? It's really not much different in an abstract sense. Most applications are using browsers as interfaces anyway. So I think this will only encourage businesses to set up SSL server/client models instead of general VPNs. -Peter -- -- Tune to http://www.wayner.org/books/ffa/ for information on my book on Free Software.
Re: Comcast@Home bans VPNs
Russell Nelson wrote: Ian Brown writes: ... subscribers to agree not to use the service as a means to create a VPN. Could someone describe to me (in my ignorance) the problem this rule is intended to solve? Loss of revenue from leased lines. BT did a number of interesting things during their ADSL trial to prevent the same problem, culminating with configuring the routers to block incoming connects (so you can't run servers on ADSL). One thing they overlooked was that the routers are in the customers' premises, leading to widepsread router hacking. This led to a rather amusing email reminding triallists that hacking their router was in breach of the TCs! They also reduced the bandwidth available considerably once they realised that, strangely, people hadn't subscribed to ADSL to watch postage-stamp-sized versions of crap movies served directly on the ADSL backbone, and really just wanted faster Internet access (I used to love the survey calls I got during the trial - BT: "So, sir, which movies have you watched from our multimedia server?" ... me: "What multimedia server?", and so on). Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html Coming to ApacheCon Europe 2000? http://apachecon.com/
Re: Comcast@Home bans VPNs
-- Ian Brown writes: ... subscribers to agree not to use the service as a means to create a VPN. At 10:52 PM 8/19/2000 -0400, Russell Nelson wrote: Could someone describe to me (in my ignorance) the problem this rule is intended to solve? Sounds like a market differentiation tactic. Businesses are less sensitive to price than consumers, because it is the shareholders money, not the money of the man making the decision, and because it is pre tax money, whereas consumer money is after tax money. For a long time isps have sold high price high bandwidth connections to businesses, and lower price low bandwidth connections to consumers. Now they want to continue selling high price high bandwidth connections to business while selling low price high bandwidth connections to consumers. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG Hr/YyHXmYGQ7/+ZP37tbmWdEyV+JYlnjJGBtKW4R 4hi3WCtze8wlEEA1ucGrUy2hUJwkdS2JoNRWBxGlj
Re: Comcast@Home bans VPNs
Ian Brown writes: ... subscribers to agree not to use the service as a means to create a VPN. Could someone describe to me (in my ignorance) the problem this rule is intended to solve? -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com | If you think Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | health care is expensive now 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | now, wait until you see Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | what it costs when it's free.
Comcast@Home bans VPNs
Customers blast Comcast move to foil bandwidth hogs By Corey Grice Staff Writer, CNET News.com August 16, 2000, 12:00 p.m. PT Revisions made to a Comcast Online customer agreement document have irked some high-speed cable-modem customers concerned about a prohibition on the use of secure networking technology. The document, which governs acceptable uses for the company's cable-modem service Comcast@Home, was recently updated for the third time. The new version, in section 6B, requires subscribers to agree not to use the service as a means to create what is known as a virtual private network, or VPN--a technology that provides a secure connection across the Internet... http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-2536215.html
