Re: [css-d] Color for Three-Column Layout - drk-writing
looks like Felix wrote to Debbie offlist : Browser makers provide users with a preference adjustment etc major rant snipped Seems like any request to this list (or Evolt) regarding any web site with a url is an excuse for Felix to send an off-list[1] reply ranting about font-size. Debbie, Setting a font-size or not setting a font-size is a choice *you* make. As others have said, the wiki has good info on the why's and wherefore's of font-size selection. Is it just me and Debbie or has everyone had a rant from Felix about setting font sizes? ;o) Happy New Year ! [1] off list because he'd be unsubscribed for doing it on list no doubt... __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Color for Three-Column Layout - drk-writing
Hi On 1 Jan 2006, at 08:42, Tony Crockford wrote: Seems like any request to this list (or Evolt) regarding any web site with a url is an excuse for Felix to send an off-list[1] reply ranting about font-size. I feel obliged to write in on behalf of Felix. Firstly, this is supposition and therefore something I find offensive. This list is for helping folks with css not for accusations. Keep this thing off-list and write to Felix direct. Secondly, all I can add is thanks Felix. He has contributed to my learning in a major way and as far as I can remember never ranted to me about Typography. So once again Thanks Felix and all those others who have helped me on this list. Happy New Year to you all. -- Rich http://www.cregy.co.uk Embracing what God does for you is the best thing you can do for him. Romans 12 v 1 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Color for Three-Column Layout - drk-writing
Tony Crockford wrote: Is it just me and Debbie or has everyone had a rant from Felix about setting font sizes? We don't get rants. We get opinions, comments and information - often based on valuable personal experience - from a lot of people. No need to try to choke them off. Such opinions are quite useful at times - both on and off list(s). Together they may give us a broader basis for our own choice-making. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Color for Three-Column Layout - drk-writing
Richard Brown wrote: Hi On 1 Jan 2006, at 08:42, Tony Crockford wrote: Seems like any request to this list (or Evolt) regarding any web site with a url is an excuse for Felix to send an off-list[1] reply ranting about font-size. I feel obliged to write in on behalf of Felix. Firstly, this is supposition and therefore something I find offensive. fair enough. I find unsolicited off list opinions on how what I do lacks respect offensive too. Felix has responded off-list to me. nuff said. -- Join me: http://wiki.workalone.co.uk/ Thank me: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/registry/1VK42TQL7VD2F Engage me: http://www.boldfish.co.uk/portfolio/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Color for Three-Column Layout - drk-writing
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: We don't get rants. We get opinions, comments and information - often based on valuable personal experience - from a lot of people. No need to try to choke them off. I'm not trying to choke them off. I'm just suggesting that an off-list message in a strong and accusative voice isn't helpful and I found it offensive. to see it happen again to someone who wasn't asking for help in that area was doubly offensive to me, but also helpful in a way to realise it wasn't just me. to not be able to discuss the issue on-list and get a balance of opinions, and a best practice is what I'm objecting to. but maybe this is something for a different forum. ;o) -- Join me: http://wiki.workalone.co.uk/ Thank me: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/registry/1VK42TQL7VD2F Engage me: http://www.boldfish.co.uk/portfolio/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS and PNG - still not KISSING (in IE)
francky wrote: Ingo Chao wrote: A degradation without grace would be appropriate for IE6, I think. I think you are right! :-) On the other hand, still lots of people don't know there are other things to see a webpage: that they call it 'browsers', and that these other browsers are mostly better. I agree that Adrian feels the http://www.hoscote.com/test/menu1.html page is not very appetising for the millions of IE-users... I have just updated my test page with an opinion section to clarify my point of view. http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/tmp/alphatransparency.html I am glad you found a solution that fits your needs well, and thanks for the interesting playgarden link. Happy new year to you too. Ingo -- http://www.satzansatz.de/css.html __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Color for Three-Column Layout - drk-writing
Tony Crockford wrote: to see it happen again to someone who wasn't asking for help in that area was doubly offensive to me, but also helpful in a way to realise it wasn't just me. You're correct. It isn't just you and the subjects may vary greatly. Usually within the framework of web design, but not everything within that framework is necessarily right for on-list responses on css-d. List-policy and such. to not be able to discuss the issue on-list and get a balance of opinions, and a best practice is what I'm objecting to. but maybe this is something for a different forum. Not necessarily. But many in-depth discussions on css-d (and other lists) have been turned off because they tend to end up in fruitless my way or noway argumentations - or worse. All balance is lost then. Going off-list is one way to avoid that, since one can choose to look into and discuss, or simply ignore, stuff - without getting a big and sometimes confusing [ADMIN] reminder :-) Once off-list it should rather stay there, unless one wants more opinions - and can keep discussions within the framework of the list. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Link to download IE 5.5Win
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Re: [css-d] Link to download IE 5.5Win
Ian: 2geedesign wrote: Hi Could someone kindly give me a link where I can download IE 5.5 Win. http://browsers.evolt.org/ Thanks Ian Regards, Rahul. -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Rahul Gonsalves Make PNG, not War. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Link to download IE 5.5Win
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[css-d] what to ask and how to answer
Dear List
The following is intened as a gentle reminder to the entire list as we start
the new year.
This is included in the section of the CSS-D List Policies [1] under
What to Ask and How to Answer
A few words on the subject from Eric:
which is the answering of said questions. What I ask is this: if you're
answering a practical question, *first* make the answer practical and
*directly address the question*. Tell the inquirer how to do what they ask.
Do not berate or belittle them for asking it. Follow up your answer with
...but here's something else to consider if you feel it important to do
so, *but only after you've answered their question*. (The classic case here
being How do I set the font size of my page?) {emphasis added} .
.Above all, if you can't answer with a modicum of respect, or without
feeling somehow annoyed by the question, then DO NOT ANSWER AT ALL. I'm dead
serious about this. You may have seen and responded to a question six
thousand times, but the person asking has only heard it once: when they
asked it. They're asking it in order to fill a gap in their own knowledge.
Make your answer an encouragement for more questions, not an incentive to
unsubscribe. {end}
If you haven't read the Policy lately, it would be time well spent to review
it today.
Wishing you all the very best as we start the new year.
Jim Nannery
www.redfernenterprises.com
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[css-d] No New Year resolution of PNG/CSS but...
Happy New Year to all anyway - and if someone can tell me how the jingle bells to make sure a reply actually appends itself to the appropriate thread I'd be mighty grateful. Such is my dedication to CSS that this is the first list I've ever joined! Thanks to Ingo and Francky for their thoughts - much appreciated. I'm having to settle for less just now thanks to deadline/brain pain, but I will return to it soon. Ingo, Currently, your list entries do not have layout...lists do show more bugs as usual in IE when the li gets layout I will have to give this more thought when I get time - the idea of unleashing more bugs has brought me out in a cold sweat. Francky, I think the somewhat more smooth edges in a png will be remarked only by say 1 to 5% of the site-visitors. I am that 5%! The reason I was (am) so keen on PNG's is that for any transparent corner that's more than a few pixels in radius, those jaggies hurt me, they hurt me! remember on what site-pages you saw disgusting gif-corners http://notabene.f2o.org/misc/evolt/png_css_hack/example.htm ;P OK not corners exactly but jaggy edges suck! Thanks too though, Francky, for alerting me to the font resizing - I was so wrapped up in the PNG issue I forgot about that! It did make me think that the flexible version would require 2 images, which I'm using elsewhere on the site (based on the good demos at http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/teaser/flexible/) to make pullquote boxes. I'm now wondering if I can adapt this to be a stretchy link! All this got me thinking anyway, which is almost always good. This and other handy tips at 24ways.org got me thinking about z-index and child selectors in particular http://24ways.org/advent/zs-not-dead-baby-zs-not-dead - both seem like ways to avoid the difficult child 'cleanly'. sit down for 5 minutes reading a good book Does anyone have a must-have suggestion for CSS2 reading!? Many thanks, will no doubt bug you again soon... Adrian -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] height 100% not working?
On 01.01.2006 19:03, Arno @ Raketnet wrote: Hi list, First: all the best wishes for this new year. May it turn out to be as much a problem-less year as possible ;o) Anyway... My year doesn't seem to start as problemless as I hoped. In the stylesheet I set the height for the column at 100%, thinking that it will fill up the screen completely, regardless the amount of text and that it would also extend would the text be more than fits the screen. A hight of 100% is the hight of the viewport in your case. If the viewport has a hight of 500px, than this 500px is equivalent to 100%. However. That last thing it doesn't do. As soon as the text extends the screen the background set in the wrapper stops. This is the correct behavior. If you don't want it, you should not set an explicit hight. You could set a min-height of 100%, instead. A second problem is that IE doesn't show the style sheet at all. As long as you are using a syntax to filter MSIE, you won't get another result. http://www.dithered.com/css_filters/css_only/index.php Regards, Uwe Kaiser __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] height 100% not working?
Hi!
A further problem will then be that IE does not understand min-height,
so you need to have a min-height filter for that. It might look like this:
/* for Mozilla/Safari/Opera */
*#youritem {
min-height:100%;
}
/* for IE, with IE5/Mac backslash filter \*/
* html #youritem {
height: 100%;
}
/* end of (minimum) height Filter */
IE does only read the height:100%; but it will enlarge if your content
is larger than 100% - just like you'd expect from min-height.
Greets,
Tobias
Uwe Kaiser schrieb:
This is the correct behavior. If you don't want it, you should not set
an explicit hight. You could set a min-height of 100%, instead.
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[css-d] Mozzila: menu weirdness!
Please take a peek at the following menu: www.pdrsolution.com/waters/index.html If you actually click on any of the buttons, you'll see a dashed box outline that stretches across the entire site. Where does this come from? This does not happen at all in IE. Thanks a lot. Patrick Patrick Roane Web design and development www.franklin-band.com Fox River Grove, Il. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Mozzila: menu weirdness!
I just tried it in FF and I saw the dotted box, but it's the size of the buttons. Try completely closing FF and try again. Mike Patrick Roane wrote: Please take a peek at the following menu: www.pdrsolution.com/waters/index.html If you actually click on any of the buttons, you'll see a dashed box outline that stretches across the entire site. Where does this come from? This does not happen at all in IE. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Mozzila: menu weirdness!
Patrick Roane wrote: www.pdrsolution.com/waters/index.html If you actually click on any of the buttons, you'll see a dashed box outline that stretches across the entire site. Where does this come from? I think it's Moz/FF' own new 'active link' marker, so not all that much you can do about it other than to try to cover it up one way or another. I can't think of a nice way to do that. The link is actually more than 1px wide because of the negative text-indent, and FF1.5 will put a border around the entire link when clicked. The negative text-indent method will also mess things up a bit in other browsers, but it isn't as visible in those. The ordinary 'absolute positioning off screen' is much more cross-browser reliable, but will probably require more elements to suit your layout. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Help with alternate rule
Hi Christine,
Do you have a link for us to take a look at?
Bill
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Subject: [css-d] Help with alternate rule
I spent all of last night and today trying to finish a volunteer project. I
am almost done but I need some help with Firefox.
To allow the header to show up correctly in most resolutions I have used the
following id:
#photo {width: 90%;height: 214px;margin-top:15px;}
In IE it works beautifully, but in Firefox I need to use 85%. 85% in IE just
does not work at all. Is there any possible way I can tell IE to use 90% and
let Firefox use 85%.
I thank you in advance,
Christine
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Re: [css-d] Help with alternate rule
Christine Robinson wrote:
I spent all of last night and today trying to finish a volunteer project. I
am almost done but I need some help with Firefox.
To allow the header to show up correctly in most resolutions I have used the
following id:
#photo {width: 90%;height: 214px;margin-top:15px;}
In IE it works beautifully, but in Firefox I need to use 85%. 85% in IE just
does not work at all. Is there any possible way I can tell IE to use 90% and
let Firefox use 85%.
Hi Christine, perhaps you can try this:
#photo {width: 85%;height: 214px;margin-top:15px;}
* html #photo {width: 90%}
The last one is an IE-hack: only IE reads this (and this overrules the
former 85% for IE), the rest takes the 85%.
And aside: it has to be: In FF it works beautifully, but in IE it
doesn't work at all. Because FF and most other browsers follow the
rules of the webstandards; IE does not.
Good luck,
francky
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