Re: [css-d] centering bordered image

2006-02-21 Thread Els
XtiaN wrote:

 I have prob here centering my image(s)
 i can't see my padding in .img-bdr img (IE7).

 style
 .img-bdr {
text-align: center;
margin: 0 auto;
width: 100%;
 }
 .img-bdr img{
margin: 0 auto;
padding: 3px;
border: 1px solid #ddd;
display: block;
 }
 /style

 div class=img-bdr
img src=/images/5.jpg /
 /div

I think you aren't using a doctype declaration.
Add this to the top of your document and the padding will be seen 
even in IE:
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN 
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd;

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Re: [css-d] Form Layout how would *you* do this? question...

2006-02-21 Thread Schalk
Les Mizzell wrote:
 What I'm trying to get is:

 http://www.columbiacityjazz.com/LEV4_VOUCHERS_DIV_STEP2.gif

 I've set it up like this:


 div class=ROW
span class=fltLEFTLong Distance Telephone Calls/span
span class=fltRIGHTinput type=text name=whatever/span
 /div


 The left/right aligned columns isn't the problem. It's the darned dotted 
 line between them. This same configuration takes place in dozens of 
 places - Class ROW is 600 pixels wide. The width of the left/right 
 content could be split 200px/400px or 450px/150px - could be anything 
 and content could be anything on either side...multiple text boxes, just 
 text
Greetings Les,

Current I get a can't connect server error when trying to access the link.

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Re: [css-d] Form Layout how would *you* do this? question...

2006-02-21 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Schalk wrote:
 Les Mizzell wrote:
 http://www.columbiacityjazz.com/LEV4_VOUCHERS_DIV_STEP2.gif
 
 Greetings Les,

 Current I get a can't connect server error when trying to access the link.
Schalk:

I can connect just fine to the server.

Rahul.

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Re: [css-d] safaritest page check

2006-02-21 Thread Richard Brown
Hi Bob

On 21 Feb 2006, at 05:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can someone do a sanity check for me on the menu on the site,
Unfortunately the sanity check was needed! Take a look at:
http://www.throwupdontgrowup.co.uk/tPicture8.jpg
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Re: [css-d] Out damned dots!

2006-02-21 Thread Jesper Brunholm
 I have a border-bottom: 1px dotted #bbb; style applied to my
 links.  I only want the style applied to text links, not image
 links.  My problem is: How do I get it turned off image links?
 a:link{border-bottom:1px dotted #bbb;}
 a:link img{border-bottom:none;}
 
 That doesn't work in decent browsers. The image is a child of the  
 a, meaning, the dotted border stretches around the image.

Frankly admitted - I did not understand that phrase until after testing 
the scenario. I do not intent to say that it should have been stated 
otherwise, only that others than me _might_ miss the influence of the 
image being a child, and thus the point :-)
IF anybody else is in doubt, they might benefit from a rephrasing:

It is only the img that's declared borderless with a:link 
img{border-bottom:none;}, whereas the a still has (and shows) the 
border. The solution has to apply to the a, as Philippe Wittenbergh 
suggested:

 a.noborder {border-bottom:none}
 a class=noborderimg src= alt=.../a

I hope this clarifies the matter to others than myself :-)

Best regards

Jesper Brunholm
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[css-d] Layout question 2 column content with image

2006-02-21 Thread Sander van Surksum
Hi all,

A time ago I've seen a toturial of how te make this in CSS but I've lost
the page I hope someone can tell how to do this...

I whanna make this
http://www.johnsten.com/test/images/voorbeeld.jpg

Regards.

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Re: [css-d] Layout question 2 column content with image

2006-02-21 Thread Mark Howells
 A time ago I've seen a toturial of how te make this in CSS but I've  
 lost
 the page I hope someone can tell how to do this...

 I whanna make this
 http://www.johnsten.com/test/images/voorbeeld.jpg

I'd use a ul with a fixed width (enough for both columns) and then  
float each li left.

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[css-d] page check please

2006-02-21 Thread Schalk
Greetings everyone!

I believe I have sorted out all of the problems with these pages but, to 
make sure, I would appreciate it if I can get one last check done on the 
following two pages:

www.volume4.com/fc/
www.volume4.com/fc/entry_archive.html

CSS
www.volume4.com/fc/css/standards.css
www.volume4.com/fc/css/forms.css
www.volume4.com/fc/css/ie.css

Thanks!

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[css-d] Float box width depending on with image

2006-02-21 Thread Ischa Gast
What I want is this:

A box with an image in the boxImg div. That div should be 100px when the
image is 100px and 200px when the image 200px.

I have to float the boxImg when I want the text next to the image and when
floating I have to give boxImg a specific width. So I think what i want is
not possible but I hope it is.

One solution could be floating only the image and let the text go round it
but that's not what I want.

I tried several things but nothing gave me the result I wanted.

Source code:
div class=box
div class=boxImgimg //div !-- end .boxImg --
div class=boxTxt
psmaple text/p
/div !-- end .boxTxt --
/div !-- end .box --

To create something like this:
http://ischagast.nl/img/example-01.gif
http://ischagast.nl/img/example-02.gif



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Re: [css-d] Float box width depending on with image

2006-02-21 Thread rian orie [meyson]
A lot of thinking has been done here..  watch:

1. I think you want an image next to your text, that doesn't allow
wrapping around it and of which the height resizes along with the text
as more appears..

2. I -think- something like this should work if that is case: (I'm just
typing from the top of my mind, so if it doesn't let me know and I'll
look it up)

div.box
{
overflow: hidden;
}
div.boxImg
{
float: left;
padding: 0 0 2px 0;
margin: 0 0 -2px 0;
}

From what I think to remember the text box should automagically wrap
against the image div now, as said.. I'll give you a working solution if
this fails, lemie know.

-Rian

On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 04:13 -0800, Ischa Gast wrote:

 What I want is this:
 
 A box with an image in the boxImg div. That div should be 100px when the
 image is 100px and 200px when the image 200px.
 
 I have to float the boxImg when I want the text next to the image and when
 floating I have to give boxImg a specific width. So I think what i want is
 not possible but I hope it is.
 
 One solution could be floating only the image and let the text go round it
 but that's not what I want.
 
 I tried several things but nothing gave me the result I wanted.
 
 Source code:
 div class=box
 div class=boxImgimg //div !-- end .boxImg --
 div class=boxTxt
 psmaple text/p
 /div !-- end .boxTxt --
 /div !-- end .box --
 
 To create something like this:
 http://ischagast.nl/img/example-01.gif
 http://ischagast.nl/img/example-02.gif
 
 
 
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Re: [css-d] page check please - forgott

2006-02-21 Thread Felix Miata
Schalk wrote Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:30:45 +0200:
 
 I believe I have sorted out all of the problems with these pages but, to
 make sure, I would appreciate it if I can get one last check done on the
 following two pages:
 
 http://www.volume4.com/fc/
 http://www.volume4.com/fc/entry_archive.html
 
 CSS
 www.volume4.com/fc/css/standards.css
 www.volume4.com/fc/css/forms.css
 www.volume4.com/fc/css/ie.css

Open Firefox, Mozilla or SeaMonkey. Set the default back to 16px if
you've changed it to anything else. Set the window width to 800px wide.
Now open those pages and look. Try zooming down (smaller) one step. Do
you see any layout problems? I'd probably knock #outer back to something
around 20% narrower.
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Re: [css-d] Layout question 2 column content with image

2006-02-21 Thread Mark Howells
 But how do you arange that you only have 2 li's per colomn ?

The layout would be like this:

12
34
56
78
... and so on: make the LIs (for example) 150px wide, and the  
containing UL 300px wide. Then they're forced to wrap. Make sure to  
set margin and padding appropriately for all elements!

Regards
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Re: [css-d] page check please

2006-02-21 Thread David Laakso
Schalk wrote:

I believe I have sorted out all of the problems with these pages but, to 
make sure, I would appreciate it if I can get one last check done on the 
following two pages:
www.volume4.com/fc/
www.volume4.com/fc/entry_archive.html

Schalk,
It sees to be doing well in linux debian-- konqueror/firefox/opera.
A couple of suggestions:
1/ At higher screen resolutions the background image does not fill the 
screen. You might
reduce the 850px width to something more reasonable for faster load and 
set it to repeat.
2/ The page is perfectly usable at 800. However, you are drawing a 
horizontal scrollbar at that resolution due to the 61em(976px) width of 
the outermost container(I've got a thing about h-scroll bars that not 
everyone else shares).
3/ The blue text could use more contrast, IMO.
Regards,
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[css-d] Content to footer divs and IE bullet problems

2006-02-21 Thread Stuart Swan
Hi,

Couple of CSS conundrums I need solved:

Page: http://www.homes2view.biz/dev/index.php

CSS: http://www.homes2view.biz/dev/css/styles.css

1. I've managed to get the footer to rest on the bottom of the page
after many hours searching for answers, I need the #content div (The
main text area) to follow on down to the footer so that the grey bg
and border finishes on the top border of the footer.

2. The top of the page has the date and directly below that are three
bullet points with my own specified bullet image, it looks good in
FireFox but in IE the bullets cling to the text, any ideas what I can
do to make it look like it does in FireFox.

Any more information needed please ask, thanks in advance.

Stuart
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Re: [css-d] page check please

2006-02-21 Thread Schalk
David Laakso wrote:
 Schalk wrote:
  believe I have sorted out all of the problems with these pages but, to 
 make sure, I would appreciate it if I can get one last check done on the 
 following two pages:
 www.volume4.com/fc/
 www.volume4.com/fc/entry_archive.html

 
 Schalk,
 It sees to be doing well in linux debian-- konqueror/firefox/opera.
 A couple of suggestions:
 1/ At higher screen resolutions the background image does not fill the 
 screen. You might
 reduce the 850px width to something more reasonable for faster load and 
 set it to repeat.
 2/ The page is perfectly usable at 800. However, you are drawing a 
 horizontal scrollbar at that resolution due to the 61em(976px) width of 
 the outermost container(I've got a thing about h-scroll bars that not 
 everyone else shares).
 3/ The blue text could use more contrast, IMO.
 Regards,
 ~davidLaakso
Greetings All!

On point 1: Now why didn't I think of that! :)
On point 2: I agree with Felix and David here however, the client wants 
the site to be optimized for 1024x768 and demanded the width I am using 
as the min width.
On point 3: I agree, maybe bold will help? Not sure though.

Thanks for everyones input.

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Re: [css-d] Content to footer divs and IE bullet problems

2006-02-21 Thread Schalk
Stuart Swan wrote:
 Hi,

 Couple of CSS conundrums I need solved:

 Page: http://www.homes2view.biz/dev/index.php

 CSS: http://www.homes2view.biz/dev/css/styles.css

 1. I've managed to get the footer to rest on the bottom of the page
 after many hours searching for answers, I need the #content div (The
 main text area) to follow on down to the footer so that the grey bg
 and border finishes on the top border of the footer.

 2. The top of the page has the date and directly below that are three
 bullet points with my own specified bullet image, it looks good in
 FireFox but in IE the bullets cling to the text, any ideas what I can
 do to make it look like it does in FireFox.
Greetings Stuart,

As for number 1, check out this article: 
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/

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Re: [css-d] Content to footer divs and IE bullet problems

2006-02-21 Thread Schalk
Stuart Swan wrote:
 Hi,

 Couple of CSS conundrums I need solved:

 Page: http://www.homes2view.biz/dev/index.php

 CSS: http://www.homes2view.biz/dev/css/styles.css

 1. I've managed to get the footer to rest on the bottom of the page
 after many hours searching for answers, I need the #content div (The
 main text area) to follow on down to the footer so that the grey bg
 and border finishes on the top border of the footer.
Greetings Stuart,

Just checked and site and if you resize to 800x600 the footer overlaps 
the content in Firefox. Have not checked in IE.

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Re: [css-d] page check please

2006-02-21 Thread David Laakso
Schalk wrote:

 David Laakso wrote:

 Schalk wrote:

  believe I have sorted out all of the problems with these pages but, 
 to make sure, I would appreciate it if I can get one last check done 
 on the following two pages:
 www.volume4.com/fc/
 www.volume4.com/fc/entry_archive.html
 

 Schalk,
 3/ The blue text could use more contrast, IMO.
 Regards,
 ~davidLaakso

 Greetings All!
 On point 3: I agree, maybe bold will help? Not sure though.

On point 3:
Bump the font-size, not the weight--  use a color picker to pull a blue 
from the 'blue' cartoon? FWIW, think deep 'cornflower blue.'
(God I love this stuff that has nothing to do with css.)
~dL
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[css-d] how could I center a div layer

2006-02-21 Thread Lorenzo Giuliani
Hi, I'm trying to center a relative position div. What could I do?

here is the CSS:

div.footer {
width : 720px;
margin-left : auto;
margin-right : auto;
position : fixed;
z-index : 1;
bottom : 0px;
text-align : center;
  }

This is the XHTML:
...
div class=footerFooter/div
...

this div should be centered and attached to the bottom border.

I'm new to xhtml+css, so I'm sure that I'm missing something :)

Bye
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[css-d] how to keep footers at the bottom

2006-02-21 Thread Ben Liu
Thanks in advance for any help. I'm trying to create a site that
requires a horizontally stretching footer that is pinned to the bottom
of the browser port. This I understand is a common issue in CSS design
when a tables-based layout is not used. I referenced the article
Exploring Footers by Bobby Van Der Sluis on alistapart.com and found
the information useful, but I was still coming up with some bugs.
Specifically, certain pages still sometimes render with the footer not
pinned to the bottom but rather somewhere in the middle of the
content, overrunning other content on the page. It doesn't do it
consistently, mostly when you resize the browser window and then click
to a page already visited, its as if the browser cache thinks the
browser is still the former size and resolves the site based on that
previous size. The test site is here:

http://dev.gelatincube.com/gcpsiro/

Style sheet is here-

http://dev.gelatincube.com/gcpsiro/common/master.css

A screenshot of the problem is available here-

http://dev.gelatincube.com/gcpsiro/img/fubarfooter.jpg

The site uses an absolute positioned (bottom: 0) footer inside a
relative positioned container item (#container). It works most of the
time in Safari 2, Firefox 1.5, IE6. It fails in older versions of
Firefox (1.01) and predictably in IE7Beta2 I guess because of the
overflow: visible fix and lack of support for min-height. It also
fails in IE5/5.5 because I did not bother to hack for those browsers.
My goal here is to make this footer work 100% of the time in IE6,
Safari 2 and Firefox 1.5.

Again, thanks for any help.

- Ben
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Re: [css-d] how could I center a div layer

2006-02-21 Thread Jim Davis
Lorenzo,

Visit this demo for inspiration:

http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/cssframes/

Jim

On 2/21/06, Lorenzo Giuliani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, I'm trying to center a relative position div. What could I do?

 here is the CSS:

 div.footer {
 width : 720px;
 margin-left : auto;
 margin-right : auto;
 position : fixed;
 z-index : 1;
 bottom : 0px;
 text-align : center;
   }

 This is the XHTML:
 ...
 div class=footerFooter/div
 ...

 this div should be centered and attached to the bottom border.


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Re: [css-d] how to keep footers at the bottom

2006-02-21 Thread Ben Liu
Thanks Jim,

That's an interesting solution. I'm discussing it with the designer
right now. We prefer to keep the footer pinned to the bottom and
having the entire page scroll rather than the center content, however,
we may need to consider it if we cannot find a solution exactly as we
desire.

- Ben

On 2/21/06, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ben,

 See this demo for a possible solution:

 http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/cssframes/

 Jim


 On 2/21/06, Ben Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks in advance for any help. I'm trying to create a site that
  requires a horizontally stretching footer that is pinned to the bottom
  of the browser port. T


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Re: [css-d] how to keep footers at the bottom

2006-02-21 Thread MarcLuzietti
Ben,

Try this page as well. http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/frames/
Alex has done a lot more playing with this and helped me solve a problem 
that Roger's didn't address.

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(305) 341-5624




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Thanks Jim,

That's an interesting solution. I'm discussing it with the designer
right now. We prefer to keep the footer pinned to the bottom and
having the entire page scroll rather than the center content, however,
we may need to consider it if we cannot find a solution exactly as we
desire.

- Ben

On 2/21/06, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ben,

 See this demo for a possible solution:

 http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/cssframes/

 Jim


 On 2/21/06, Ben Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks in advance for any help. I'm trying to create a site that
  requires a horizontally stretching footer that is pinned to the bottom
  of the browser port. T


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Re: [css-d] page check please - forgott

2006-02-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A little extra work perhaps, but you could offer an alternate 
stylesheet- one of 800x600 and the other for 1068.  Then let the viewer 
make the choice.  Educate your client.  Assumptions are key. Who is your 
client's audience (rhetorical)?

Felix Miata wrote:

Schalk wrote Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:29:16 +0200:
 
  

http://www.volume4.com/fc/
http://www.volume4.com/fc/entry_archive.html



  

On point 2: I agree with Felix and David here however, the client wants
the site to be optimized for 1024x768 and demanded the width I am using



Does he know about sidebars and people who don't browse fullscreen?
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/schalk5.jpg
  


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Re: [css-d] how to keep footers at the bottom

2006-02-21 Thread cj
the best footer solution i've seen is from
http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/footerStickAlt/ and doesn't
require absolute positioning.  make sure you view *his* examples,
which are the bottom two he lists (Alt).  the first two show the
footer code he started from, which was buggy.
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Re: [css-d] how to keep footers at the bottom

2006-02-21 Thread Ben Liu
Thanks Jim, I see how that now allows the header to scroll with the
rest of the page. However, the footer is still not behaving exactly as
we would like. It is seems to be a working solution, but wow, with a
lot of hacks though.

- Ben

On 2/21/06, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ben,

 Just change one line:

 /* position:fixed for modern browsers - header and footer do not scroll */
 bodydiv#headerwrap {
 position:absolute;--- change from fixed to absolute


  Jim
 On 2/21/06, Ben Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks Jim,
 
  That's an interesting solution. I'm discussing it with the designer
  right now. We prefer to keep the footer pinned to the bottom and
  having the entire page scroll rather than the center content, however,
  we may need to consider it if we cannot find a solution exactly as we
  desire.
 
  - Ben
 
  On 2/21/06, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Ben,
  
   See this demo for a possible solution:
  
   http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/cssframes/
  
   Jim
  
  
   On 2/21/06, Ben Liu  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks in advance for any help. I'm trying to create a site that
requires a horizontally stretching footer that is pinned to the bottom
of the browser port. T
  
  
 


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Re: [css-d] how to keep footers at the bottom

2006-02-21 Thread Ben Liu
Thanks Mark, I'm looking into this now. Appears to be similar to the
suggested site Jim referenced, just with some IE specific javascript
in the CSS.

- Ben

On 2/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ben,

 Try this page as well. http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/frames/
 Alex has done a lot more playing with this and helped me solve a problem
 that Roger's didn't address.

 --
  Marc Luzietti
  Flagship Project
  Bayview Financial, L.P.
  (305) 341-5624





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 02/21/2006 10:38 AM

 To:Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 cc:css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
 Subject:Re: [css-d] how to keep footers at the bottom


 Thanks Jim,

  That's an interesting solution. I'm discussing it with the designer
  right now. We prefer to keep the footer pinned to the bottom and
  having the entire page scroll rather than the center content, however,
  we may need to consider it if we cannot find a solution exactly as we
  desire.

  - Ben

  On 2/21/06, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Ben,
  
   See this demo for a possible solution:
  
   http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/cssframes/
  
   Jim
  
  
   On 2/21/06, Ben Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks in advance for any help. I'm trying to create a site that
requires a horizontally stretching footer that is pinned to the bottom
of the browser port. T
  
  
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Re: [css-d] how to keep footers at the bottom

2006-02-21 Thread Ben Liu
Hi cj,

This looks more like what I need. Absolute positioning never seemed
entirely ready for primetime to me, especially due to spotty browser
implementation. I'll take a crack at my site using this technique and
post back.

- Ben

On 2/21/06, cj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 the best footer solution i've seen is from
 http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/footerStickAlt/ and doesn't
 require absolute positioning.  make sure you view *his* examples,
 which are the bottom two he lists (Alt).  the first two show the
 footer code he started from, which was buggy.

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Re: [css-d] how to keep footers at the bottom

2006-02-21 Thread Ben Liu
I've implemented the man-in-blue footerStickAlt technique on my test
site and it seems to work quite well in Safari, IE5.5/6, breaks in
IE7beta2 as expected. However, on my test site homepage
(http://dev.gelatincube.com/gcpsiro/index.php) I use absolute
positioning on the main content area to create two columns. On this
particular page, the technique breaks. So I guess I might have to
position the two columns relatively and float them to achieve two
columns and then make the footer clear both floats. Gonna try that
now. Solution seems close at hand, thanks to all.

- Ben

On 2/21/06, cj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 the best footer solution i've seen is from
 http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/footerStickAlt/ and doesn't
 require absolute positioning.  make sure you view *his* examples,
 which are the bottom two he lists (Alt).  the first two show the
 footer code he started from, which was buggy.

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Re: [css-d] Clearing internal floats

2006-02-21 Thread Tom Edwards
Yeah, sorry. My fault for trying to do anything
meaningful at 10:30PM! There is one difference though:
the green div is inside another div, page, that sits
between it and the sidebar in the div hierarchy. I'll
remove that and see where floating gets me.

Yes, I'm trying to make the green area expand to
contain the floated image on the right (i.e. clear the
internal float). And I also want the content to take
up the space below the sidebar, as I sometimes end up
with very long posts
(http://www.steamreview.org/index.php?paged=2) that
look silly wasting the space.

--- Els [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As far as I can see, the sidebar _does_ come before
 the content 
 in the above example.
 At the url you gave in your other post - 
 http://www.steamreview.org/files/newstyle.htm , I
 see the same 
 construct as in my example.
 
 What is your goal? extend the green area to
 encompass the image?
 Looking at your main page - do you want the posts to
 take up the 
 space below the sidebar?
 
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[css-d] Need help with CSS menu in IE6

2006-02-21 Thread Phil Winter
Hello,

I'm implementing a navigation menu in CSS in the left column of the 
page.  One menu
item (the last one, Join Blackstock) is a drop down, or fly-out.

It works fine in Firefox, but the submenu won't display in IE 6.  I'm sure 
there's something
I'm missing.

Here's a link to the 
page:  http://www.webdesignpartners.com/blackstock/index.html

Thanks!

Phil 

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Re: [css-d] how to keep footers at the bottom

2006-02-21 Thread Ben Liu
Thanks again all,

I've got it working now, seems fairly rock solid as long as I don't
resize the browser window violently. Woohoo.

- Ben



On 2/21/06, Tom Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ask the Man in Blue

 http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/

 :)

 On 21 Feb 2006, at 15:38, Ben Liu wrote:

  Thanks Jim,
 
  That's an interesting solution. I'm discussing it with the designer
  right now. We prefer to keep the footer pinned to the bottom and
  having the entire page scroll rather than the center content, however,
  we may need to consider it if we cannot find a solution exactly as we
  desire.
 
  - Ben
 
  On 2/21/06, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ben,
 
  See this demo for a possible solution:
 
  http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/cssframes/
 
  Jim
 
 
  On 2/21/06, Ben Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks in advance for any help. I'm trying to create a site that
  requires a horizontally stretching footer that is pinned to the
  bottom
  of the browser port. T
 
 
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Re: [css-d] css-d Digest, Vol 39, Issue 46

2006-02-21 Thread Mikhail Bozgounov
Thx, Ingo! :-)

I was just worried, am I missing something important in CSS and IE 7 is right, 
or IE is wrong and my code is correct!

Of course, nothing to fix, beta is just beta, now I know CSS is ok;-)

Thanks again!
Michel



Mikhail Bozgounov wrote:
  http://www.bluelink.net/zero-waste/
horizontal scrollbar?

Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:34:26 +0100
From: Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED]

a.p. boxes that have a right:value set seem to cause scrollbars in
IE7b2preview.
Funny thing is that overflow:hidden on this box stops the bug; that
would be #motto in your case.

Ingo


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Re: [css-d] Need help with CSS menu in IE6

2006-02-21 Thread Schalk
Phil Winter wrote:
 Hello,

 I'm implementing a navigation menu in CSS in the left column of the 
 page.  One menu
 item (the last one, Join Blackstock) is a drop down, or fly-out.

 It works fine in Firefox, but the submenu won't display in IE 6.  I'm sure 
 there's something
 I'm missing.

 Here's a link to the 
 page:  http://www.webdesignpartners.com/blackstock/index.html

 Thanks!

 Phil 
Have a look at this: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns/

HTH!

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[css-d] Div overlap of floated image

2006-02-21 Thread Vic Rauch
Web page at:  http://vicrauch.com/Untitled-2.htm and css at:
http://vicrauch.com/css/Untitled-1.css

 

Photo that is floated right on this page is being overlaid by a div on the
left, but I can't figure out how to stop it.  Of course it works OK in
FireFox.

 

Any help greatly appreciated!

Vic

 

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[css-d] Navbar problems across browsers

2006-02-21 Thread Dova Wilson
This list has been so great helping me out as a CSS newbie. I have been
ready to pull my hair out many days trying to make things work. We are
now closer to actually having a new site, but I'm having a few small
problems with the navbar. 

Can you give me any ideas on how to fix the following problems?
* In Firefox I have a strange space on the right side of the first and
second level navigation towards the end of the navigation items before
the border. 
* In NE7 it is OK. 
* In IE6 the space I see in Firefox is absent, but a different space
appears BETWEEN my vertical navigation items. Some of the dividing lines
between vertical nav items also look like double lines.
* I also want to figure out how to move the little arrow slightly to the
left on the first level and second level navigation without the
background color or the border shrinking to the left with it. 
 
http://209.211.255.131/newsite/testfeb17.html 

http://209.211.255.131/newsite/testfeb17.css
 
Thanks! 
 
Dova H. Wilson
Marketing Communications Specialist
George Washington University Virginia Campus
44983 Knoll Square, Rm. 305
Ashburn, Virginia 20147
Phone: 703-726-3652
Fax: 703-726-3655
www.gwvirginia.gwu.edu
 
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[css-d] Site check Moz printing IE position

2006-02-21 Thread Debbie Flitner
Greetings all,

I would be very thankful if some of you would take a look at
http://www.asu.edu/lib/olac and let me know if you see any glaring
issues besides the two that I'm asking about below.  I don't have access
to a Mac, so haven't checked on that platform at all, and I'm nervous
about it.  The html and css both validate.

I've tested on Opera 8.52, FF 1.5, Moz 1.7.12, and IE 6.0, all on WinXP.


Printing in Mozilla:
When I print the index page in Moz, the second half of the page overlays
the top, so you can't read much of it.  When I print preview, it crashes
the browser on closing the preview.  The other pages print and preview
just fine.

Position in IE 6.0:
This one isn't as important, but I'd like to fix it if possible.  The
navigation div is overlapping the header by about 3-4 pixels.  #nav is
positioned absolutely in em.  Is there a way to get it to scoot down
where it's supposed to be?

Stylesheets:
http://www.asu.edu/lib/olac/olac.css
http://www.asu.edu/lib/olac/olac-print.css

Any and all advice/suggestions/complaints are appreciated.

Thanks,
Debbie

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Re: [css-d] IE6 Float Drop Issues

2006-02-21 Thread Ingo Chao
Pringle, Ron wrote:
 ...Basically the problem is that the right non-floated
 column is dropping below the left-floated container.  ...
 URL: http://tinyurl.com/mxtve
 

   #container { float: left; width: 100%; margin-left: -33px;}

I think #container needs another

   margin-right: -3px;

to work around the 3px jog, and

   #sidebar { padding-left: 100%; margin-left: -33px; }

seems to cause a quirk with percentage padding, but I am not sure.

   padding-left: 99%;

looks better here. It doesn't convince me, though.

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] IE6 Float Drop Issues [SOLVED]

2006-02-21 Thread Pringle, Ron

 Pringle, Ron wrote:
  ...Basically the problem is that the right non-floated
  column is dropping below the left-floated container.  ...
  URL: http://tinyurl.com/mxtve
  


Ingo replied:
 
#container { float: left; width: 100%; margin-left: -33px;}
 
 I think #container needs another
 
margin-right: -3px;
 
 to work around the 3px jog, and
 
#sidebar { padding-left: 100%; margin-left: -33px; }
 
 seems to cause a quirk with percentage padding, but I am not sure.
 
padding-left: 99%;
 
 looks better here. It doesn't convince me, though.


Ingo-

I managed to fix it along the same lines of thinking as you've been
pursuing. I eliminated the #sidebar padding and margin completely, and
gave the #container an extra padding of 3px to eliminate that jog in
there that you pointed out. Works well now.

There were a lot of other 3px and double margin issues with the layout
that I'd fixed previous to posting, but I missed that 3px shift on the
container.

Thanks Ingo!

Regards,
Ron
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[css-d] IE 5.x extra spacing issue

2006-02-21 Thread Jeremy Snider
Hi - I am having difficulty with extra spacing in IE 5.x that does  
not respond to box-model and double-margin fixes.

The page in development is located at:

http://www.snider-web.com/GEO_new/index_new.html

The CSS is at:

http://www.snider-web.com/GEO_new/stylesheets/core.css

with additional stylesheets for IE 5 and IE 6 (linked with  
conditional comments) at:

http://www.snider-web.com/GEO_new/stylesheets/IE5.css
http://www.snider-web.com/GEO_new/stylesheets/IE6.css

The problem appears in the navigation area.  The width of some  
container element is about 20px too wide.

The structure is:

container div:
   -  menu div (floated left):
 o  navmain div (not floated, containing navigation as unordered  
list)
 o  navaud div (not floated, containing audience navigation)
 o  contact div (not floated)
   -  content div:
 o  summary div (floated left, containing main text)
 o  sidebar div (floated right)
   -  footer div (clears floated elements)

I've colored the background of the navmain ul and navaud ul purple  
and red to show where it is too wide.  I've tried a number of hacks  
to no avail, and I'm hoping someone can point me to a solution.

Thanks!  (BTW, the XHTML and CSS validate.)

Jeremy
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Re: [css-d] Approaching Designing for Multiple Browsers and Versions

2006-02-21 Thread Christian Heilmann
 I've done some reading on hacks and conditional comments, and am trying
 to plan an everyone-friendly site. The process is a bit overwhelming, so
 I'll start by asking for confirmation of these assumptions (truths).

 Truth #1 - NN4 can render link, but can't render @import. If I follow
 a NN4 linked stylesheet by an imported stylesheet other UAs (IE 5+
 Mac/WIN, Opera, Firefox, Safari) will override the values in the linked
 stylesheet with the imported values, so long as every item and class in
 the NN4 stylesheet is covered in the imported stylesheet.

Yes that is true. However, NS4.x is not a CSS browser, it never
claimed to be (sadly enough it tries to do so). Therefore I personally
tend not to give it a style sheet at all.

@import also helps you if you want to not give MSIE 5/Mac (a
discontinued browser that is hard to test for) a stylesheet. MSIE 5/
Mac understands
@import 'foo.css'; but fails to read @import foo.css;

 Truth #2 - IE Conditional Comments are completely ignored by non-IE UAs
 and IE on Mac

That is also true.

Thierry has come up with a really good approach for supporting as many
browsers as possible, this might be exactly what you want to achieve:

http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/branching.asp

HTH
Chris

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[css-d] display family tree without tables

2006-02-21 Thread Brian Funk
Hi all,

I am looking for a way to display a dog pedigree (family tree). Mostly I
see that one big image or a table is used for this. I could do it that
way although I would rather not if there's a better way. I have been
trying to experiment with lists, but I haven't found a workable way with
that. Any ideas would be great.

Thanks,
Brian



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Re: [css-d] Approaching Designing for Multiple Browsers and Versions

2006-02-21 Thread Dagmar Noll
Christian Heilmann wrote:
 Thierry has come up with a really good approach for supporting as many
 browsers as possible, this might be exactly what you want to achieve:
 
 http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/branching.asp

Chris -

If it doesn't work for me, I'll proceed with my questions, but at quick 
glance this looks EXACTLY like what I want to achieve.

Cheers!

Dagmar

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Re: [css-d] IE 5.x extra spacing issue

2006-02-21 Thread Els
Jeremy Snider wrote:
 Hi - I am having difficulty with extra spacing in IE 5.x that
 does not respond to box-model and double-margin fixes.

 The page in development is located at:

 http://www.snider-web.com/GEO_new/index_new.html

 The problem appears in the navigation area.  The width of some
 container element is about 20px too wide.

Yup, it's actually exactly 20px :-)
If you change the width in the four instances of Tan Hack to fix 
IE 5.x width issue (#navmain li a, #navaud li a, #contact h2, 
#contact dl) from 174px to 154px, the column will have the right 
width.

 I've colored the background of the navmain ul and navaud ul
 purple and red to show where it is too wide.

Note, that even though the width of the column is now correct, 
you still don't get rid of the space on the left of the uls. 
That's just IE5 though. I vaguely remember I got rid of it once 
(though buggy on hover), but I'm not sure, and even if so, I 
can't remember how.

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Re: [css-d] CSS Navigation formatting issues and overall page structure issue

2006-02-21 Thread cj
On 2/8/06, K Husbands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 1.  Black line appears under the nav tab, which I don't want. The goal
 is for the tabs to sit flush on the div holding the image (i.e. div desc)

when i delete this part, the line disappears:

#nav {
background: url(images/greypx.gif) repeat-x left bottom;
}


 2.  Space appears between the navigation bar and the image. (not
 desired)

looks like you fixed this.  :)


 3.  Even though I made the initial template page and duplicated it for
 the other pages, when browsing the site in Firefox the whole page shifts
 from left to right and back depending on which links you click. For instance
 going from the Media page to Clients or Contact Us page, everything appears
 fine, as with going from Home to Services to Values. However, any other
 sequence browsing the site, shifts entire page within the browser. I am
 completely perplexed as to why this is  happening.

i'm not seeing the page shift, so i assume it's been fixed as well. 
if not, however, it might be due to the scrollbar on the right hand
side appearing for tall pages.


 The site can be viewed here:
 http://www.wordseurope.domainsolutions.ca/test/index.html
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Re: [css-d] Approaching Designing for Multiple Browsers and Versions

2006-02-21 Thread Adam Kuehn
Christian Heilmann wrote:

@import also helps you if you want to not give MSIE 5/Mac (a
discontinued browser that is hard to test for) a stylesheet. MSIE 5/
Mac understands
@import 'foo.css'; but fails to read @import foo.css;

I know Christian is aware of this, but just for purposes of the 
archive, he wrote this exactly backwards.  IE/Mac FAILS to read URLs 
enclosed by SINGLE quotes.  It DOES read URLs enclosed with 
double-quotes or no quotes at all.

HTH,


-Adam Kuehn 

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Re: [css-d] Clearing internal floats

2006-02-21 Thread Tom Edwards
Oh well, thanks anyway! :-)

--- Els [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, overflow:auto doesn't have effect in IE, and
 yes, it does 
 give a 'block effect', a clear property has a
 problem with the 
 sidebar, unless the parent (#page) is floated, but
 #page can't be 
 floated if you want the content to extend below the
 sidebar.
 
 Frankly, I don't think there's any option to do what
 you want, 
 unless you would do it on a per post basis. If
 there's an image 
 in a post, set the min-height on that post to the
 height of that 
 image (or higher, if the image doesn't start at the
 top of the 
 post). Won't work in IE, so you'd have to give IE
 just a height, 
 and accept that that post won't flow below the
 sidebar.
 
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[css-d] display:inline List Items and whitespace bug

2006-02-21 Thread Jeremy Boggs
Hi All,

I've tried searching for a solution to this with no luck. Has anyone  
discussed whitespace bugs in lists, where the list-items are set to  
display-inline?

Here's the test page:

http://clioweb.org/test/listtest.html

The CSS is in the header. All three of these unordered lists have  
list items that are set to display:inline;. I'm getting spacing  
around the list-items in the first example on this page. The  
whitespace is occurring on Firefox 1.5, Safari, Opera 8.51, and IE5+,  
on Mac and Windows. In the second example, I use the same CSS, but I  
eliminate all the whitespace around each list-item in the code. The  
result is no space in the displayed list.

Is there a cross-browser way to fix this in CSS, without resorting to  
changing the code, as I do in the second example on the page?

Thanks in advance!
Jeremy
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[css-d] DOCTYPEs

2006-02-21 Thread MarcLuzietti
Is there a distinction between LOOSE and QUIRKS? I have been 
operating under the assumption that they are functionally equivalent in 
IE.

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Re: [css-d] Approaching Designing for Multiple Browsers and Versions

2006-02-21 Thread Christian Heilmann
 @import also helps you if you want to not give MSIE 5/Mac (a
 discontinued browser that is hard to test for) a stylesheet. MSIE 5/
 Mac understands
 @import 'foo.css'; but fails to read @import foo.css;

 I know Christian is aware of this, but just for purposes of the
 archive, he wrote this exactly backwards.  IE/Mac FAILS to read URLs
 enclosed by SINGLE quotes.  It DOES read URLs enclosed with
 double-quotes or no quotes at all.

Yes, sorry about that. Didn't have a coffee yet.

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Re: [css-d] Div overlap of floated image

2006-02-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Vic Rauch wrote:
 http://vicrauch.com/Untitled-2.htm

 Photo that is floated right on this page is being overlaid by a div on the
 left, but I can't figure out how to stop it.  Of course it works OK in
 FireFox.

Add...

#photoright {position: relative;}

...and IE/win will layer correctly.

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Re: [css-d] display:inline List Items and whitespace bug

2006-02-21 Thread Adam Kuehn
Jeremy Boggs wrote:
I've tried searching for a solution to this with no luck. Has anyone
discussed whitespace bugs in lists, where the list-items are set to
display-inline?
Here's the test page:

http://clioweb.org/test/listtest.html

The CSS is in the header. All three of these unordered lists have
list items that are set to display:inline;. I'm getting spacing
around the list-items in the first example on this page.

Actually, this is correct behavior for inline elements.  This is so 
that, for example, you can use a construction like this:

These little things can be emreally/em strongVERY/strong 
frustrating if you don't know the reasons why they happen.

Note that you really don't need or want to emphasize or strongly 
emphasize the space between the elements.  Instead, it is treated as 
a normal, anonymous text node.  That node really only becomes a 
problem when you convert what is normally a block element into one 
that is inline, and thus aren't expecting the result.

Is there a cross-browser way to fix this in CSS, without resorting to
changing the code, as I do in the second example on the page?

I am aware of no reliable way to neutralize this behavior in CSS.  Sorry,



-Adam Kuehn 

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[css-d] Interesting Firefox bug? (first-letter pseudo selector)

2006-02-21 Thread Vinson Gracia (777)
I searched all over for information on this bug but didn't see
anything. I just entered in Bugzilla just in case.

I thought I was being clever by using the first-letter pseudo selector
to style my required field asterisk without any extra code but firefox
rained on my parade.

OK, so an asterisk is not a letter, technically, but ff is not even
consistent in that regard.

html
head
style
p:first-letter{
  color:red;
}
/style
/head

body

ptest/p
p*test/p
p***test/p
pnbsp;test/p

/body
/html
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Re: [css-d] Interesting Firefox bug? (first-letter pseudo selector)

2006-02-21 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2006-02-21 16:45 -0600, Vinson Gracia (777) wrote:
 I searched all over for information on this bug but didn't see
 anything. I just entered in Bugzilla just in case.
 
 I thought I was being clever by using the first-letter pseudo selector
 to style my required field asterisk without any extra code but firefox
 rained on my parade.
 
 OK, so an asterisk is not a letter, technically, but ff is not even
 consistent in that regard.

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#first-letter says:

# Punctuation (i.e, characters defined in Unicode [UNICODE] in the
# open (Ps), close (Pe), initial (Pi). final (Pf) and other
# (Po) punctuation classes), that precedes or follows the first letter
# should be included

The asterisk is in the Po character class, so it should be included.

This means that in the examples you give, the first letter should be:


 ptest/p
t

 p*test/p
*t

 p***test/p
***t

 pnbsp;test/p

unknown.  The spec isn't clear on this one.

-David

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Re: [css-d] display family tree without tables

2006-02-21 Thread Margaret Martin

On Feb 21, 2006, at 3:03 PM, Brian Funk wrote:

 I am looking for a way to display a dog pedigree (family tree).  
 Mostly I
 see that one big image or a table is used for this. I could do it that
 way although I would rather not if there's a better way. I have been
 trying to experiment with lists, but I haven't found a workable way  
 with
 that. Any ideas would be great.

How about this:

http://www.malinut.com/alix-pedigree.php

Nary a table in sight, and I believe it degrades relatively  
gracefully (list).

Margaret

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www.hitthenail.com

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Re: [css-d] CSS List Menu Options

2006-02-21 Thread Roger Roelofs
Keith,

On Feb 20, 2006, at 9:24 PM, Keith Kaiser wrote:

 I want to be able to have just one front page and use
 XMLHttpRequest() to replace the tan part of the page depending on the
 menu selection.

This isn't a css question, so the remainder of my reply will be 
off-list.

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Re: [css-d] Interesting Firefox bug? (first-letter pseudo selector)

2006-02-21 Thread Vinson Gracia (777)
Totally rains on my parade... but thanks for the W3C Spec!

I think the W3C is wrong on this one though.  I'd say at least 10^2^2
terabytes of code is being used to style the asterisks for required
fields on forms around the world. I think changing this would vastly
improve bandwith on the internet as a whole.  :P

Thanks again!


On 2/21/06, L. David Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday 2006-02-21 16:45 -0600, Vinson Gracia (777) wrote:
  I searched all over for information on this bug but didn't see
  anything. I just entered in Bugzilla just in case.
 
  I thought I was being clever by using the first-letter pseudo selector
  to style my required field asterisk without any extra code but firefox
  rained on my parade.
 
  OK, so an asterisk is not a letter, technically, but ff is not even
  consistent in that regard.

 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#first-letter says:

 # Punctuation (i.e, characters defined in Unicode [UNICODE] in the
 # open (Ps), close (Pe), initial (Pi). final (Pf) and other
 # (Po) punctuation classes), that precedes or follows the first letter
 # should be included

 The asterisk is in the Po character class, so it should be included.

 This means that in the examples you give, the first letter should be:


  ptest/p
 t

  p*test/p
 *t

  p***test/p
 ***t

  pnbsp;test/p

 unknown.  The spec isn't clear on this one.

 -David

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[css-d] css link targets [was][Fwd: Re: (no subject)]

2006-02-21 Thread Jochem Maas
I'd like to add to the msg below (which was eaten
by a 'no subject' filter first time round) that
attribute values only _must_ be quoted with certain DOCTYPES.

additionally the values can be quoted with single
quotes, I'm 80% sure.

I do know that using double quotes on attribute values
in practice never causes a problem (I'm sure I read up on it
years ago, can't remember the specifics :-S).

additionally ALWAYS (depending on your situation this could be taken
on per client/system/project basis) using either single OR double (not mixed!)
for html attributes (the same goes for javascript or css, with
regard to quotes) has a benefit when you spend lots of time
writing things that generate [dynamic] html/js/css - the benefit
being less 'mis-quote' bugs.

rgds,
Jochem

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [css-d] (no subject)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:15:21 +0100
From: Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Maxwell Balmain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Maxwell Balmain wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 Quick question: I am converting some pages to to xhtml strict
 CSS. What is the correct way to get links to open in a fresh page? I  
 guess the target= _blank function will not validate.

'target' is an attribute of an anchor tag; you can still use it
though all attribute values should be quoted i.e.:

a href=#test target=_blankclick/a

not strictly anything to do with CSS (I trying to think
if it's possible to define that certain [classes of] link
should open in a new window using CSS - but I can't)

 
 Thanks,
 
 Max
 
 
 
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Re: [css-d] Interesting Firefox bug? (first-letter pseudo selector)

2006-02-21 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2006-02-21 17:33 -0600, Vinson Gracia (777) wrote:
 Totally rains on my parade... but thanks for the W3C Spec!
 
 I think the W3C is wrong on this one though.  I'd say at least 10^2^2
 terabytes of code is being used to style the asterisks for required
 fields on forms around the world. I think changing this would vastly
 improve bandwith on the internet as a whole.  :P

That's not what :first-letter is for.  It sounds like what you really
want is more like:

input:required::before { content: *; color: red; }

See http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-ui/#pseudo-required-value for :required
and CSS2.1 / css3-selectors for the rest.

-David

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[css-d] ASP.net, xhtml, CSS based CMS?

2006-02-21 Thread Adam Helweh
Hey guys and gals,

I have been looking all day for a CSS/Xhtml stylable blog style CMS for 
our ASP.Net site. Seems to be plenty PHP based ones, but no ASP.NET.

I fould one fairly good one but it has tons of tables and seemingly 
bloated code.

Anyone know of any? Doesnt have to be a free solution.

Thanks

Adam
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Re: [css-d] IE 5.x extra spacing issue

2006-02-21 Thread Els
Jeremy Snider wrote:

[list in IE5]
 Thanks - I'd put in the Tan Hack to get those elements to
 display the correct width (174px), but I guess I created more
 problems.  Now to figure out where that space on the left
 comes from!

I think I found it.
Forget what I said about the 174px needing to be 154px.
The 20px is coming from the relationship between the width on the
ul and the width on the li. As soon as you set a width on a ul, a
space appears to the left of the li elements.
If you just hide the width of the ul from IE5, the lists behave
nicely.

The dl in #contact doesn't need the Tan hack, without the hacks
on #contact h2 and #contact dl, that part neatly stays within the
column by itself.

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Re: [css-d] Form Layout how would *you* do this? question...

2006-02-21 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Les Mizzell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

What I'm trying to get is:
http://www.columbiacityjazz.com/LEV4_VOUCHERS_DIV_STEP2.gif

The left/right aligned columns isn't the problem. It's the darned dotted 
line between them. This same configuration takes place in dozens of 
places - Class ROW is 600 pixels wide. The width of the left/right 
content could be split 200px/400px or 450px/150px - could be anything 
and content could be anything on either side...multiple text boxes, just 
text

Here is a page with links to several examples that people put together several 
years ago. Perhaps you will find the appropriate inspiration on one of these 
pages.

http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=DotLeaders

I hope that helps,

~holly 
 
   
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[css-d] Div Height

2006-02-21 Thread Robbert van Andel
I recently updated my website, replacing a table with a div as the body of
the page.  I want this division to be at least the height of the screen but
also grow if content scrolls off the page.  In IE, the page renders fine,
but in FireFox, the division does not grow if the text scrolls beyond the
bottom of the screen.

 

An example page is http://www.swimoregon.org/AquaMaster/

 

The division's id is body and below is the relevant css

body {

height:100%;

padding:0;

margin:0px;

text-align:center;

background-color: #336EA8;

}

 

#body {

width: 649px;

min-height: 100%;

height: 100%;

border-left:4px solid #00;

border-right:4px solid #00;

padding-left:2px;

padding-right:2px;

background-color:#ff;

margin-left:auto;

margin-right:auto;



}

 

I'm constantly fighting with this set up and actually used a table on
another website to avoid this problem.  I would really like to figure out
how to do this with a division as I understand that tables are deprecated in
the use of layout.

 

Thank you,

Robbert van Andel

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Re: [css-d] Div Height

2006-02-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Robbert van Andel wrote:
 I recently updated my website, replacing a table with a div as the 
 body of the page.  I want this division to be at least the height of 
 the screen but also grow if content scrolls off the page.  In IE, the
  page renders fine, but in FireFox, the division does not grow if the
  text scrolls beyond the bottom of the screen.

 http://www.swimoregon.org/AquaMaster/

 I'm constantly fighting with this set up and actually used a table on
  another website to avoid this problem.  I would really like to 
 figure out how to do this with a division as I understand that tables
  are deprecated in the use of layout.

The solution is to make divs behave/render like tables, by adding...

#body {display: table;}

...so they do expand with content as tables does. That's according to
CSS specs, so Firefox will do just fine with it.

IE/win doesn't understand 'display: table;' but IE6 and older versions
are saved by a bug called 'Layout'[1]. Don't know how IE7 will do
though, as it won't be up to standards and they have partially killed
that 'Layout' bug.

regards
Georg

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[css-d] NS6.2 and :hover

2006-02-21 Thread kevinn
Hi All,

I'm playing with a navigation using li:hover to show background images to
the li's plus setting display: block to ul (and li's) nested within
it.

Sample:
ul
li
a href=#/a
ul
liItem1/li
/ul
/li
/ul

The problem is that in NS6.2, hovering thru the main li the background
changes as expected, but when the cursor is over the a tags it loses the
:hover of the list. 

Is it expected in NS6.2 or is there a work around?

Thanks

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Re: [css-d] Div Height

2006-02-21 Thread Robbert van Andel
That was it.

Thank you,
Robbert

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Subject: Re: [css-d] Div Height

Robbert van Andel wrote:
 I recently updated my website, replacing a table with a div as the 
 body of the page.  I want this division to be at least the height of 
 the screen but also grow if content scrolls off the page.  In IE, the
  page renders fine, but in FireFox, the division does not grow if the
  text scrolls beyond the bottom of the screen.

 http://www.swimoregon.org/AquaMaster/

 I'm constantly fighting with this set up and actually used a table on
  another website to avoid this problem.  I would really like to 
 figure out how to do this with a division as I understand that tables
  are deprecated in the use of layout.

The solution is to make divs behave/render like tables, by adding...

#body {display: table;}

...so they do expand with content as tables does. That's according to
CSS specs, so Firefox will do just fine with it.

IE/win doesn't understand 'display: table;' but IE6 and older versions
are saved by a bug called 'Layout'[1]. Don't know how IE7 will do
though, as it won't be up to standards and they have partially killed
that 'Layout' bug.

regards
Georg

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Re: [css-d] Interesting Firefox bug? (first-letter pseudo selector)

2006-02-21 Thread David Hucklesby
Vinson Gracia wrote:

 I thought I was being clever by using the first-letter pseudo selector
 to style my required field asterisk without any extra code but firefox
 rained on my parade.

On which version of Firefox does this not work? I have an example of 
using :first-letter to color a heart entity - admittedly generated 
content, but applied *after* generating (for the sake of other browsers).

Here's the example, still working on FF 1.0.5.1 -
   http://localhost/sandbox/hearts.html

Do you have a URL we could look at?

Cordially,
David
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Re: [css-d] Site check Moz printing IE position

2006-02-21 Thread David Laakso
Debbie Flitner wrote:
 I would be very thankful if some of you would take a look at
 http://www.asu.edu/lib/olac and let me know if you see any glaring
 issues besides the two that I'm asking about below.
 Stylesheets:
 http://www.asu.edu/lib/olac/olac.css
 http://www.asu.edu/lib/olac/olac-print.css

 Any and all advice/suggestions/complaints are appreciated.

 Thanks,
 Debbie
No big deal, but you are getting lateral page shift @ 1280. This 
articlehttp://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/forcing-scrollbars-now-even-better
 
on forcing scrollbars /may/ help:
Nice color selection for Arizona, BTW.  And content text that is 
readable without zoom at 1280 is so different-- what a delight!
Regards,
~davidLaakso

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[css-d] Opera problem

2006-02-21 Thread dsleep
Hello,

I am testing with FireFox, IE6 and Opera on my local host. My page
displays almost correctly in FF and IE6, but fails to display a CSS menu
in Opera. When I upload the files to the server, all of the browsers
display the page about the same, ie, the menu displays.

I am using ASP.NET and have includes for the CSS and INC files and for the
html for the menu. The include for the INC and HTML are not expanded on
the local host, but expand just fine on the server.

This is holding up my development since I need to FTP to the server to see
any corrections and turn around is extremely slow because of timeouts.

Thanks
Dennis

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Re: [css-d] Can I put a link on an image in CSS?

2006-02-21 Thread francky
On 18-02-06 Peter Snow Cao wrote:

I want to put a link to my homepage on the logo image that is in the
upper left-hand corner of every page put there by the CSS file [...]
http://bikechina.com/
What is the best way to do this?  Is there a way I can do it in CSS or
do I have to use HTML to code each page?
  

Lots of replies ...
In the meantime I was experimenting somewhat.
I found it can be done in CSS only, without losing text-readers, 
screen-readers, or missing the link when css and or images are turned off.
No image-mapping or transparent.gif is needed. This is the testpage 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-bikechina.htm 
logo in css (see source code), with screenshots of all options I see.

I found it can be done also with the (css-styled) logo as foreground 
image in the html. Also without losing the rest.
This is the second testpage 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-bikechina-htm.htm: 
logo in html.

While the logo is important to show for the identity of the site and 
company, I agree with the 2 reasons to use the 2nd way, as David Dorward 
wrote:
1. CSS might be turned off or unavailable. - Then a background-img is 
invisible. In the html-way the logo is displayed as long as images are 
supported.
2. The user might want to print the page (and background image printing 
is disabled by default). - The logo in the html will always be printed 
together with the banner.

Note: to serve the text/screen-readers, I've put a text-link as layer 
under the images. It has an h3 tag to get better noticed by search 
engines. This text-link is also visible when in a screen-browser the 
images are turned off.
Then a small trick is hidden:
Although the text-link cannot be clicked itself when images are turned 
off and the css is still on (link covered up by the img-layers), I made 
a pseudo-click. By dividing the the words Bike China and 
Adventures in two lines, they are just under the clickable area of the 
logo. Then even if the logo itself is not visible, this area can be 
clicked (also the tooltip is appearing when hovering). To see the area: 
Firefox  WebDeveloper extension  Images  outline images  background 
images.

Endless, css! :-)
Greetings,
francky


 

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Re: [css-d] Interesting Firefox bug? (first-letter pseudo selector)

2006-02-21 Thread Vinson Gracia (777)
I was checking on ff 1.5.
Here's the code to test:

htmlhead
style
 p:first-letter{
  color:red;
 }
/style
/head

body
ptest/p
p*test/p
p***test/p
pnbsp;test/p
/body
/html


The best solution is to use the :before pseudo selector as Mr Baron
pointed out but my corp is an IE only shop. :(



On 2/21/06, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Vinson Gracia wrote:
 
  I thought I was being clever by using the first-letter pseudo selector
  to style my required field asterisk without any extra code but firefox
  rained on my parade.

 On which version of Firefox does this not work? I have an example of
 using :first-letter to color a heart entity - admittedly generated
 content, but applied *after* generating (for the sake of other browsers).

 Here's the example, still working on FF 1.0.5.1 -
   http://localhost/sandbox/hearts.html

 Do you have a URL we could look at?

 Cordially,
 David
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