Re: [css-d] text and image zoom

2006-11-17 Thread Erik Visser
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
 Erik Visser wrote:
 Then a question on my menu. It looks quite good. Hoovering is ok. But
  when clicked the border of #header disappears...

 I think this was brought up earlier on the list. Something to do with
  dotted line when selected. But is this correct and is there a solution?
 
 In Firefox?
 The dotted outline is that browser's way to show selected link, and
 you should rather not try to override such browser-specific styles.
 
 The '#nav {overflow: hidden;' I posted earlier keeps the border on
 #header intact - only the side-borders on the selected link becomes
 dotted. That's how your updated page behaves also, and I think you
 should leave it like that.
 
 Of course, the addition of...
 #nav li {overflow: hidden;}
 ...will hide that outline.

wow... thanks again

gunlaug, do you have all this info in your head?
or are you very good at finding your info in resources (etc.)?

i put quite some time in resolving this.
but could not figure this out.

Another menu question:
- the fonts in my menu look quite cracky (not crisp and sharp).
is there a way to make them look better?

Thanks again, Erik
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[css-d] emulating p with br /

2006-11-17 Thread mean dspt
Hi,
I run a wiki based site, and the engine doesn't wrap blocks of text
inside p, but simply adds br /. So it's quite difficult to style
your paragraphs in content, as there's no paragraphs in the markup.
Usuall way of styling with p{magin:VALUES;} etc. is not applicable. In
long pages it creates wall of text effect, which is not nice at all.
Usually it makes people to add double breakspaces, like br/br/.
more readable, but not very stylish.
What can be done in this case?
The first method I came up with is .content br {display:block;
margin-bottom:VALUE;) rule. This works in FF2, but I'm not sure about
other browsers. It doesn't work in IE6, as far as I tested it.
Can you advise something?
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[css-d] Bug in IE6/IE7 with negative percentages in vertical-align

2006-11-17 Thread John Zaitseff
Dear All,

I believe I have discovered a bug in Internet Explorer that has been present 
since at least version 6: neither IE6 nor IE7 handle negative percentages 
correctly in the vertical-align property.

In particular, trying to display an image at slightly below the baseline can 
normally be done with something like:

  img.lower { vertical-align: -10% }

This should have the effect of lowering the image 10% of its size below the 
baseline.  Unfortunately, IE6 and IE7 place the image something like 10 
times lower than the image's height (ie, as if something like -1000% was 
specified).  Before IE7 was released, I used the following to avoid this 
problem:

  img.lower  { vertical-align: baseline }
  img.lower[src] { vertical-align: -10% }

This no longer works, as IE7 does correctly interpret such attribute 
selectors.

The solution was to discard using percentages altogether and just use a 
negative pixel value:

  img.lower { vertical-align: -2px }

This works correctly on both IE6 and IE7 and, of course, on all other 
browsers (Firefox, Konqueror, Safari, Opera).

I use this technique in my file-icons project, accessible at 
http://www.zap.org.au/documents/icons/file-icons/

Apologies if you already knew this, but my searches using Google came up 
empty, so I thought I'd document it somewhere...

Yours truly,

John Zaitseff

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[css-d] Unexpected padding with IE6 and IE7

2006-11-17 Thread John Zaitseff
Dear All,

I believe I have come across a bug in Microsoft Internet Explorer that is 
present in at least versions 6 and 7.  As far as I could find out from 
searching the Internet, no one else has come across this bug---please feel 
free to correct me if I am wrong!  Could someone please glance through this 
e-mail: I ask for help towards the end...

The problem can be seen when trying to apply CSS to the following XHTML 
fragment:

  div id=header
div class=left
  pLeft/p
/div
div class=right
  pRight/p
/div
div class=subheader
  pSubheader/p
/div
  /div

(See http://www.zap.org.au/~john/web/test-css/test.html for the full XHTML 
file; the CSS is in http://www.zap.org.au/~john/web/test-css/test.css).

In particular, the following CSS definitions to do with margins and padding 
take effect:

  p   { margin: 1em 0; padding: 0 }
  #header { margin: 0; padding: 0 }
  #header div.subheader   { margin: 0; padding: 0.5em 0 }
  #header div.subheader p { margin: 0; padding: 0 }

Also:

  #header div.left  { float: left; clear: left }
  #header div.right { float: right; clear: right }
  #header div.subheader { clear: both }

The problem is that the word Subheader is displayed with additional 
padding under IE6/IE7, as if a padding-top: 0.75em appeared somewhere.

You can see this at http://www.zap.org.au/~john/web/test-css/test.html , 
where I have included red borders to make the effect visible.  Compare this 
with the same page rendered correctly, I believe, under Mozilla Firefox, 
Konqueror, Safari, etc: the word Subheader is nicely centred with 
padding-top and padding-bottom both 0.5em.

I have solved the problem by using the following:

  #header div.subheader   { margin: 0; padding: 0 }
  #header div.subheader p { margin: 0; padding: 0.5em 0 }

That is, I swapped the padding from the outer div.subheader to the 
inner p.  This seems to work in all the browsers I have access to, as can 
be seen at http://www.zap.org.au/~john/web/test-css/test-working.html (the 
CSS is http://www.zap.org.au/~john/web/test-css/test-working.css).

Now for my question: does anyone know of or can think of a way to achieve 
the same result WITHOUT using the inner p tags?  In other words, I would 
like something like the following for the markup:

  div id=header
div class=left
  Left
/div
div class=right
  Right
/div
div class=subheader
  Subheader
/div
  /div

Is this possible?  Have I missed something?  Any hints would be appreciated.

Yours truly,

John Zaitseff

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Re: [css-d] text and image zoom

2006-11-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Erik Visser wrote:
 gunlaug, do you have all this info in your head? or are you very good
  at finding your info in resources (etc.)?

All I have in my head is a few decades of experience in troubleshooting
software (and hardware), and with work on 'human/machine interfacing'
(also known as accessibility). That helps :-)

Finding resources with /correct and complete/ description of a
problem/solution (so I can save myself from writing some) is much harder.

 i put quite some time in resolving this. but could not figure this 
 out.

That's a normal part of the process of learning - it takes time. The
more you learn, the better you get at problem-solving (I think :-) ).
Just make sure you study the 'pros' and 'cons' with /any/ solutions you
may find, so you don't end up creating a lot of new problems once one
problem is solved.

Also: it seems like many designers/coders are limiting their options
before starting the manipulation-process for how something should appear
on screens. Self imposed limitations affect any process, and designing
with HTML/CSS/(whatever) is no exception.

Maybe some listen _too much_ to what others think is best practices or
the right way to do things - or maybe they just want simple answers.
I don't know, but I don't like limitations to what I can do.

There are enough limitations in today's UAs/OSes/hardware to sort out on
our way to the human at the other end, so there's no need to add any
limitations of our own.

 Another menu question: - the fonts in my menu look quite cracky (not 
 crisp and sharp). is there a way to make them look better?

Lack of resolution - just as with a low-resolution image. Unlike images;
text-resolution is depending solely on available browser/fonts/OS
factors and screen-resolutions, so you can not really influence it much
from your end.

However, most fonts will look better if there are more pixels involved,
which is achieved simply by setting a larger font-size until each letter
becomes fatter. Choosing another font and/or styling it bold, may also
help smoothing those letters.
Usually makes the text easier to read too - at least for me ;-)

regards
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[css-d] using a div to mask another div

2006-11-17 Thread Marcelo Wolfgang
Hi all,

I'm trying to play with scriptaculous making a div scroll using
Effect.MoveTo, I figure out the javascript part, but I'm having
problem with the css

I need to make a div on top of my thumbnails that will mask the
thumbnails, so what i'm doing is something like this :

[div class=evento_multi_tab_photo_img]
  [div id=eventos01_thumbs style=border:1px solid green;]
[a href=../images/eventos/diasemcarro/big_01.jpg
rel=lightbox[diasemcarro]][img
src=../images/eventos/diasemcarro/thumb_01.jpg width=153
height=113 alt= /][/a]
[a href=../images/eventos/diasemcarro/big_02.jpg
rel=lightbox[diasemcarro]][img
src=../images/eventos/diasemcarro/thumb_02.jpg width=153
height=113 alt= /][/a]
[a href=../images/eventos/diasemcarro/big_03.jpg
rel=lightbox[diasemcarro]][img
src=../images/eventos/diasemcarro/thumb_03.jpg width=153
height=113 alt= /][/a]
[a href=../images/eventos/diasemcarro/big_04.jpg
rel=lightbox[diasemcarro]][img
src=../images/eventos/diasemcarro/thumb_04.jpg width=153
height=113 alt= /][/a]
  [/div]
[/div]

and writing the css as:

.evento_multi_tab_photo_img{
margin:5px 0;
height:113px;
width:153px;
overflow:hidden;
}
#eventos01_thumbs{
display:inline;
}

but since I'm using the width in the first div, it constrains the
second div to that width also ( cascading after all ), but I want them
to display in a line, and be hidden from view.

Can anyone help me achieve this effect here ?

If you want to see the page prototype it is located at:
http://www.mobilciclo.org/novosite/eventos/

TIA
Marcelo
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Re: [css-d] emulating p with br /

2006-11-17 Thread Barney Carroll
mean dspt wrote:
 Hi,
 I run a wiki based site, and the engine doesn't wrap blocks of text
 inside p, but simply adds br /. So it's quite difficult to style
 your paragraphs in content, as there's no paragraphs in the markup.
 Usuall way of styling with p{magin:VALUES;} etc. is not applicable. In
 long pages it creates wall of text effect, which is not nice at all.
 Usually it makes people to add double breakspaces, like br/br/.
 more readable, but not very stylish.
 What can be done in this case?
 The first method I came up with is .content br {display:block;
 margin-bottom:VALUE;) rule. This works in FF2, but I'm not sure about
 other browsers. It doesn't work in IE6, as far as I tested it.
 Can you advise something?

I don't know what particular editor you're using, but I've faced a 
similar problem. Would it be at all possible to create an initial value, 
or default template, whereby there is something such as p[Enter your 
text here]/p? In my instance, it worked fine - and understood that 
returns as entered by the user should close one p and open another.

Regards,
Barney
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Re: [css-d] mir help

2006-11-17 Thread Daniel
http://webtec.tstc.edu

Showing up in IE6 mainly, and IE7mac
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Re: [css-d] mir help

2006-11-17 Thread Barney Carroll
Daniel wrote:
 and IE7mac

?!!!
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Re: [css-d] emulating p with br /

2006-11-17 Thread Stephan Wehner
It might not be too difficult to change the wiki engine. Sounds like
you search for
br / and replace it with /PP and look for logical beginnings
of paragraphs to put the leading P 's

What engine is this?

Stephan

On 11/17/06, mean dspt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 I run a wiki based site, and the engine doesn't wrap blocks of text
 inside p, but simply adds br /. So it's quite difficult to style
 your paragraphs in content, as there's no paragraphs in the markup.
 Usuall way of styling with p{magin:VALUES;} etc. is not applicable. In
 long pages it creates wall of text effect, which is not nice at all.
 Usually it makes people to add double breakspaces, like br/br/.
 more readable, but not very stylish.
 What can be done in this case?
 The first method I came up with is .content br {display:block;
 margin-bottom:VALUE;) rule. This works in FF2, but I'm not sure about
 other browsers. It doesn't work in IE6, as far as I tested it.
 Can you advise something?
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Re: [css-d] mir help

2006-11-17 Thread Ingo Chao
Daniel wrote:
 http://webtec.tstc.edu
 
 Showing up in IE6 mainly, and IE7mac


This thread starts to confuse me. First, you copied this code

 .mir {
 text-indent:-9px;
 }
 h1 {
 background: url(i/branding_h1.jpg) no-repeat;
 height: 180px;
 width:650px;
 }


But this is not MIR.

Now, with the given URL above, the code is


h1#hdr {

background:url(img/header.jpg) no-repeat;

height:188px;

letter-spacing:-9em; /* Hack to push the lettering off the 
background image */

margin:0;

padding:0;

}



This is MIR. As already noted, this technique is not without flaws [1] 
(see the comments on Malarkey's page) and there are serious doubts [2]. 
Use another IR technique.

Actually, I cannot reproduce or see the remaining character t 
(IE7final and IE6 standalone, XP SP2, 96 dpi, 1280x1024).

Those who can see the letter would immensely help if they would report 
the settings or any other hints.

[1] http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/73414
[2] http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/73469

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] mir help

2006-11-17 Thread Jesse Skinner
 Ok, to the problem...no matter what I do it seems like the t in 
 Development always appears
 on top of the graphic. Opera, Netscape, and Firefox is fine, it's only 
 an IE issue.  Any suggetions?

I was just talking about image replacement the other day, and someone
left a comment on my blog suggesting the following technique (which is
totally great and works perfectly):

h1 {
 background: url(i/branding_h1.jpg) no-repeat;
 width: 650px;
 height: 0;
 padding-top: 180px;
 overflow: hidden;
}

Try that out, it should work wonderfully.

All the best,

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http://www.thefutureoftheweb.com

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Re: [css-d] mir help

2006-11-17 Thread Andrew Gregory
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:00:20 +0800, Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 h1#hdr {
   background:url(img/header.jpg) no-repeat;
   height:188px;
   letter-spacing:-9em; /* Hack to push the lettering off the  
 background image */
   margin:0;
   padding:0;
 }

 This is MIR.

I thought I'd mention that big negative numbers like -9em cause  
things to break in Opera. This is not specific to this example, but a  
general issue. I think it's when CSS dimensions convert to -32768px and  
below. I'm sure -999em would be more than sufficient.

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[css-d] Browser Gradient Issue

2006-11-17 Thread Laura Glaess
Issue #1
The content area and background both have gradients on this website.
The background color of these continers is the same as the bottom of
the repeated 1px wide jpg that is the gradient. If you look at the
page in firefox, everything flows smoothly. If you look at it in
safari, the image colors and the background colors are WAY off. How do
I make the colors flow well in all browsers?

Issue #2
If you go to performances (purple square)  gallery
(This problem does not exist in safari, so view in firefox) The image
is supposed to be beside the text, but I can't seem to arrange it
properly.

Issue #3
Minor spacing issues everywhere. The top navigation is too high. The
Wish List on the index page needs to move to the right a bit, etc.
Padding and Margins don't seem to be doing it (and I'm probably
changing the wrong things)

Can you help me?
http://www.lauraglaess.com/clients/Tapestry/index.html

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[css-d] That old browser from microsoft and overflow:hidden

2006-11-17 Thread Marcelo Wolfgang
I'm havving a problem with IE, that it's not respecting my
overflow:hidden declaration when I move the layer that is 'masked' by
the layer with overflow:hidden.

the best way to see it is here eith IE and FF
http://www.mobilciclo.org/novosite/eventos/

and click on the arrows beneath the right side photos...

anyone has experiment with this before ?
anyone has anyclue on how can I make IE obey me ?

why this browser exist ?

TIA
Grillo
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Re: [css-d] That old browser from microsoft and overflow:hidden

2006-11-17 Thread ~davidLaakso
Marcelo Wolfgang wrote:
 I'm havving a problem with IE, that it's not respecting my
 overflow:hidden declaration when I move the layer that is 'masked' by
 the layer with overflow:hidden.


 http://www.mobilciclo.org/novosite/eventos/

 and click on the arrows beneath the right side photos...

 anyone has experiment with this before ?
 anyone has anyclue on how can I make IE obey me ?

 why this browser exist ?
   
IE exists so that even at text-size largest when your font sizes are 
ignored, the expansion of the long words will not cause the float to 
drop the way they do at +2 font-zoom in  ff :-P .
 TIA
 Grillo

   
Best,
~dL
PS I am just being silly, Grillo. I hope someone comes to the rescue 
with the real issue you wrote about.

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[css-d] Tabs are not positioning correctly in FF

2006-11-17 Thread Brian Jones
Hi,

I have two divs one contains tab navigation and the other contains the
content. I want the content div to display directly under the tabs.
In IE6 it's displaying how I want it to...but for some reason in FF
the tabs are showing up at the top inside the content div..Here's my
html markup and css..I've been trying to play around with the paddings
and margins but I just can't seem to get it...can someone please
up...thanx

div id=tabs4
   ul
   li id=currenta href=  spanRole Manager/span/a/li
   lia href= spanUser Role Manager/span/a/li
   lia href= spanServices/span/a/li
  /ul
/div

div id=tabbox
  p This is one section where you can have a set of controls / contents./p
 /div


#tabbox
{
  margin: 0 0 0 0;
  padding: 20px 0 50px 20px;
  border-top: 1px #cc solid;
  border-right: 1px #cc solid;
  border-bottom: 1px #cc solid;
  border-left: 1px #cc solid;
}


   #tabs4
   {
 float:left;
 width:100%;
 font-size:93%;
 line-height: normal;
 margin: 0 0 0 0;
 padding: 0 0 0 0;

 }
   #tabs4 ul {
 margin:0 0 0 0;
 padding:0px 10px 0px 0px;
 list-style:none;
 }
   #tabs4 li {
 display:inline;
 margin:0;
 padding:0;
 }
   #tabs4 a {
 float:left;
 background:url(../images/wintableft2.gif) no-repeat left top;
 margin:0;
 padding:0 0 0 7px;
 text-decoration:none;
 }
   #tabs4 a span {
 float:left;
 display:block;
 background:url(../images/wintabright2.gif) no-repeat right top;
 padding:0px 15px 4px 6px;
 color:#00;
 }
   /* Commented Backslash Hack hides rule from IE5-Mac \*/
   #tabs4 a span {float:none;}
   /* End IE5-Mac hack */
   #tabs4 a:hover span {
 color:#00;
 }
   #tabs4 a:hover {
 background-position:0% -21px;
 }
   #tabs4 a:hover span {
 background-position:100% -21px;
 }

 #tabs4 #current a {
 background-position:0% -42px;
 font-weight: bold;
 }
 #tabs4 #current a span {
 background-position:100% -42px;
 }
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[css-d] PNG Hack in for IE 6. Any thoughts?

2006-11-17 Thread Pete Lasko
Greetings.

I'm using a PNG hack (bgsleight.js --  http://www.allinthehead.com/ 
retro/289/sleight-update-alpha-png-backgrounds-in-ie) here: http:// 
yammr.com/button.html

I'm having a couple of problems.

1) The positioning on the li background (right side) isn't being  
applied. I'm guessing that it is because the filter is taking over  
just not working right. I could fix this by adding a span  
(dynamically) absolutely positioned inside the a, but I'd prefer a  
CSS solution if at all possible.

2) Not a PNG problem, but the right edge of my button isn't  
clickable, and I'm not sure I see a way around this. I could write a  
simple javascript behavior that adds an onclick to the li, which  
might be what I'll end up doing if I can't find a pure css solution.  
At this point, though, things are getting silly with the hacks and  
javascript.  I could live with the edge not being clickable, as well,  
but it would bother me over time.

3) A Non issue - The right side of the image doesn't color change  
because of IE:hover issues, but that is easily fixed. However, even  
normal hovering on the a tag is spotty in IE. I haven't spent any  
time on this issue yet though.

Does anyone know of a way to fix the positioning issue?  Thats the  
main one. If you have any suggestions on anything else, I'm open to a  
better way of doing this.

Pete
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Re: [css-d] CSS popups - how to display in a different div to the anchor

2006-11-17 Thread James Ward
Hi Francky

I really like the examples you gave URLs for - I think those solutions
will work very well.

And you're right - I need to make sure the links look intuitively
different from clickable links.  I intended to use

cursor: help;

in the styling.

Thanks again.

James



On 16/11/06, francky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 James Ward wrote:

 I'm wanting to use a technique similar to Eric Meyer's:
 
 http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html
 
 to show an explanation of some technical terms in a site I am building.
 
 My problem is that I want the popup text to be positioned in a
 different div to the anchor to which it is linked.
 
 Does anyone know a way I can do this?
 
 Thanks
 
 James
 
 Hi James,
 IFAIK, if it really has to be a separate div, then I think css is not
 enough and some javascript help is needed.
 Can you tell some more why Eric's span solution is not enough for your
 page? [1]

 Greetings,
 francky

 PS:
 Warning (in case you didn't consider this already)
 In some way the 'terms to explain' have to get attention as hoverable
 words, otherwise nobody will go there. To give them an underline as a
 link will do that, but that can be a bit risky. - To get no confused
 visitors at hovering the explaining pseudo-link / home styled tooltip
 and hovering a normal clickable link, they should be recognisable by a
 different styling (for instance: dashed/dotted underline, other mouse
 pointer).

 [1]
 Pretty much div-like styling of the span is possible. See also:

 * http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/showathover.htm
 * http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/showathover2.htm


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Re: [css-d] Tabs are not positioning correctly in FF

2006-11-17 Thread Stephan Wehner
Was this posted a few days ago as well?

I remember having a similar problem and couldn't find anything better
than adding
additional spacing through javascript, which checked for Firefox.

Are you saying the 20px in

 #tabbox
 {
   margin: 0 0 0 0;
   padding: 20px 0 50px 20px;
 :
 }

doesn't show up?

It might be easier to help if you put up an example page.

Stephan


On 11/17/06, Brian Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 I have two divs one contains tab navigation and the other contains the
 content. I want the content div to display directly under the tabs.
 In IE6 it's displaying how I want it to...but for some reason in FF
 the tabs are showing up at the top inside the content div..Here's my
 html markup and css..I've been trying to play around with the paddings
 and margins but I just can't seem to get it...can someone please
 up...thanx

 div id=tabs4
ul
li id=currenta href=  spanRole Manager/span/a/li
lia href= spanUser Role Manager/span/a/li
lia href= spanServices/span/a/li
   /ul
 /div

 div id=tabbox
   p This is one section where you can have a set of controls / contents./p
  /div


 #tabbox
 {
   margin: 0 0 0 0;
   padding: 20px 0 50px 20px;
   border-top: 1px #cc solid;
   border-right: 1px #cc solid;
   border-bottom: 1px #cc solid;
   border-left: 1px #cc solid;
 }


#tabs4
{
  float:left;
  width:100%;
  font-size:93%;
  line-height: normal;
  margin: 0 0 0 0;
  padding: 0 0 0 0;

  }
#tabs4 ul {
  margin:0 0 0 0;
  padding:0px 10px 0px 0px;
  list-style:none;
  }
#tabs4 li {
  display:inline;
  margin:0;
  padding:0;
  }
#tabs4 a {
  float:left;
  background:url(../images/wintableft2.gif) no-repeat left top;
  margin:0;
  padding:0 0 0 7px;
  text-decoration:none;
  }
#tabs4 a span {
  float:left;
  display:block;
  background:url(../images/wintabright2.gif) no-repeat right top;
  padding:0px 15px 4px 6px;
  color:#00;
  }
/* Commented Backslash Hack hides rule from IE5-Mac \*/
#tabs4 a span {float:none;}
/* End IE5-Mac hack */
#tabs4 a:hover span {
  color:#00;
  }
#tabs4 a:hover {
  background-position:0% -21px;
  }
#tabs4 a:hover span {
  background-position:100% -21px;
  }

  #tabs4 #current a {
  background-position:0% -42px;
  font-weight: bold;
  }
  #tabs4 #current a span {
  background-position:100% -42px;
  }
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[css-d] Padding on wrapped lines

2006-11-17 Thread Loek Hilgersom
Hi list,

I have a problem which looks very simple at first, but seems to be 
getting really complicated. But maybe I'm just overlooking something 
obvious.

I'm trying to apply a backgroundcolor to a piece of text which stretches 
over a few lines. However, the background should not be square, but end 
where each line of text ends, and in between each line should be a bit 
of empty space. The text is dynamically generated and should be 
resizable, so I can't put in manual line-breaks.

See my examples:

http://www.altereco.nl/inlinepadding.html

Example 3 shows what it should look like (at least in FF2 en IE6), but 
here each line is wrapped in separate div's.

Of course the problem is the red bodytext, not the green headers.

In example 1 I tried by floating the blocks, but it puts a solid square 
around the bodytext.
Nr 2 is displayed inline, but here the padding-left is only applied to 
the first line, and padding-right to the last line. Maybe logical, but 
not what I need. IE6 is also displaying some strange bugs (duplicating 
words when it's wrapping etc.)

I don't care about changing the html, as long as the bodytext parts can 
be in one piece.
Any ideas how to tackle this?

Thanks,
Loek
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[css-d] float problem...

2006-11-17 Thread Marty Martin
I'm having trouble getting div#left and div#right to float correctly.  I
want them beside each other but right now they are wrapping under each other
and I can't figure where I'm going wrong with this float...help?!

Here's what I have--

.header-bottom { width:755px; background-color: #FFF; background-image:
url(../img/page-bg.gif); padding-top: 1px; color: #fff; }
.header-bottom div { height: 177px; width: 751px; margin: 0 auto;
background-color: #000c53; }
.header-bottom div #left { width: 190px; float: left; }
.header-bottom div #right { width: 560px; float: right; }

 div class=header-bottom
   div id=leftleft/div
   div id=right
 img src=images/urologic-experts-header.jpg width=560 height=177
alt=Roanoke Urology //div
 /div

You can view here--  http://urologicsurgeryonline.com/


Thanks!

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[css-d] max-height and containers...

2006-11-17 Thread Erik Harris
I know I've asked questions about containing elements and all that in the 
past, and I've never totally understood how they're supposed to work.  I 
recently helped someone out with a CSS problem that he had when using 
max-width, a property I didn't even know about.  Since I've got a minor 
problem with photos sticking out of their parent elements over at 
http://www.kungfu-silat.com/history.html (specifically, the first photo 
on fairly high-res screens), I decided to try implementing its 
sister-property, max-height.

I've tried to apply various max-height properties to the images on this 
page, and none of them do a darn thing.  Max-width works fine.  I can set 
it down to 10% and the images squish down to 1/10 the size of their 
DIV.  Not so with max-height, though.

Is it possible to resize on-the-fly with max-height inside a DIV that has a 
height dynamically determined by the amount of text in it?

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Re: [css-d] That old browser from microsoft and overflow:hidden

2006-11-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Marcelo Wolfgang wrote:
 I'm havving a problem with IE, that it's not respecting my 
 overflow:hidden declaration when I move the layer that is 'masked' by
  the layer with overflow:hidden.

 http://www.mobilciclo.org/novosite/eventos/

 anyone has experiment with this before ?

Looks like what happens when a 'masked' layer is positioned, with
'position: relative' for instance. It's an IE-bug, and we sometimes make
use of this bug to prevent the effects of the 'auto-expanding' bug in
IE6 (and older versions). One bug to kill another.

 anyone has anyclue on how can I make IE obey me ?

Can't get your script to work locally, so I'm just guessing that adding...
.evento_multi_tab_photo_img{position: relative}
... /may/ make IE more cooperative by changing the stacking of elements.
May even need a 'z-index' of some value in addition to the above for it
to work.

 why this browser exist ?

To prevent any real improvements in web design from taking place without
Microsoft's authorization, I guess :-)
That policy doesn't work too well, but it may take a while before we see
any substantial changes from Microsoft and they may not be for the better.


BTW: the script for moving the layer doesn't work in Opera.

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[css-d] positioning question(s)

2006-11-17 Thread Jessica Steinbomer
Hi,
I am working on a web site for a non-profit org, and am having a couple of
issues:

http://www.servicedogs.org/new%20site/example1.htm

1) The donate div should be under the header section all together, but for
some reason is showing up behind the header, including the logo. Also, the
image that should be tiling across the top of the page is not showing up,
except in IE.

2) The placement of the dog image is perplexing me, I am not sure how to get
it to go to the top right corner.

Here's a link to an image of how it should look:

http://www.servicedogs.org/images/newsite/look.htm

I have a lot of image editing work to do still, so please ignore the
roughness of the design for now, I am just really trying to get the design
to be a fluid, accessible layout first, then will sharpen it up.

Thanks for any help on this,
Jessica
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Re: [css-d] That old browser from microsoft and overflow:hidden

2006-11-17 Thread david
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:

 why this browser exist ?
 
 To prevent any real improvements in web design from taking place without
 Microsoft's authorization, I guess :-)

To help prevent people from seeing how bad the HTML is that other MS 
products produce? To help spread worms and viruses, thereby supporting 
the spread of botnets, from which will someday spontaneously arise true 
artificial intelligence, which will then turn human beings into a small 
cylindrical device for providing electricity ? ;-)

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Re: [css-d] positioning question(s)

2006-11-17 Thread david
Jessica Steinbomer wrote:
 Hi,
 I am working on a web site for a non-profit org, and am having a couple of
 issues:
 
 http://www.servicedogs.org/new%20site/example1.htm

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.servicedogs.org%2Fnew%2520site%2Fexample1.htm

You seem to be missing some opening and closing definition list tags?

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Re: [css-d] PNG Hack in for IE 6. Any thoughts?

2006-11-17 Thread Ingo Chao
Pete Lasko wrote:
 Greetings.
 
 I'm using a PNG hack (bgsleight.js --  http://www.allinthehead.com/ 
 retro/289/sleight-update-alpha-png-backgrounds-in-ie) here: http:// 
 yammr.com/button.html



 
 I'm having a couple of problems.
 
 1) The positioning on the li background (right side) isn't being  
 applied. I'm guessing that it is because the filter is taking over  
 just not working right. I could fix this by adding a span  
 (dynamically) absolutely positioned inside the a, but I'd prefer a  
 CSS solution if at all possible.

http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/81468


 2) Not a PNG problem, but the right edge of my button isn't  
 clickable, and I'm not sure I see a way around this. I could write a  
 simple javascript behavior that adds an onclick to the li, which  
 might be what I'll end up doing if I can't find a pure css solution.  
 At this point, though, things are getting silly with the hacks and  
 javascript.  I could live with the edge not being clickable, as well,  
 but it would bother me over time.


http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/tmp/alphatransparency.html

 
 3) A Non issue ...I haven't spent any
 time on this issue yet though.

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] max-height and containers...

2006-11-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Erik Harris wrote:
 [...] Since I've got a minor problem with photos sticking out of 
 their parent elements over at 
 http://www.kungfu-silat.com/history.html (specifically, the first 
 photo on fairly high-res screens), I decided to try implementing its
  sister-property, max-height.

Height of the container-div is an unknown factor in your case, so
setting 'max-height' on image in percentage of its container doesn't
work. Some javascript-based solutions may exist.

I'd rather solve it the other way around - making the container-div
stretch to contain the image even on wide windows. It'll come out just
fine then.

The addition of...
.section {overflow: hidden; height: 1%;}
...will do just that.

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Re: [css-d] Tabs are not positioning correctly in FF

2006-11-17 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
 Hi,

 I have two divs one contains tab navigation and the other contains the
 content. I want the content div to display directly under the tabs.
 In IE6 it's displaying how I want it to...but for some reason in FF
 the tabs are showing up at the top inside the content div..Here's my
 html markup and css..I've been trying to play around with the paddings
 and margins but I just can't seem to get it...can someone please
 up...thanx
...

Not sure if I got your intentions right, but try this:

#tabbox
{
 clear:both;
 margin: 0;
 padding: 20px 0 50px 20px;
 border: 1px solid #ccc;
}


Also, a couple of articles you may find useful:

http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200502/efficient_css_with_shorthand_properties/


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Re: [css-d] Padding on wrapped lines]

2006-11-17 Thread Loek Hilgersom
Michael Wilkey wrote:

 Try putting it in a list?
I don't see how a list is going to help me get something like example 3. 
Could you explain?

Loek




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Re: [css-d] positioning question(s)

2006-11-17 Thread ~davidLaakso
Jessica Steinbomer wrote:
 I am working on a web site for a non-profit org, and am having a couple of
 issues:
 http://www.servicedogs.org/new%20site/example1.htm
 Here's a link to an image of how it should look:
 http://www.servicedogs.org/images/newsite/look.htm
   
[message trimmed]

 Jessica
essica,
Basically you have a three column layout with a header, horizontal 
navigation, and a footer. Get just that much working satisfactorily 
cross-browser. The positioning of the of the dog that overlays the 
navigation can wait until last (and someone else can help with that if 
you get stuck).
This is a quick start that I hope will, at least, get you off and running:
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/dog/dog.html
(I did not think the definition lists where necessary).
Check the validation of your page while you work.
markup:
http://validator.w3.org/
css:
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
The list wiki (address below) is a valuable source for any question/problem.
HTH.
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Re: [css-d] That old browser from microsoft and overflow:hidden

2006-11-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
david wrote:
 [...] To help spread worms and viruses, thereby supporting the spread
 of botnets, from which will someday spontaneously arise true
 artificial intelligence, which will then turn human beings into a
 small cylindrical device for providing electricity ? ;-)

Such a scenario sure would solve all present design-problems. Would
solve most other problems too, by simply turning us into something useful.

Sounds promising, but I think you are expecting too much from the
specified source ;-)

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[css-d] Tabs are not positioning correctly in FF

2006-11-17 Thread muskokee
(This went to Brian only by accident! Forwarding it to the list..sorry)

Hi Brian,
In firefox, if you float an element that is not contained within another, it
is removed from the flow, kinda like absolute position.

Keep the list div as position:relative with no floats and the containers
will stack using the same html. This works in FF and IE (not sure about mac)


#tabbox
{
 margin:0;
 padding: 20px 0 50px 20px;
 border: 1px #cc solid;
}
#tabs4
{
width:100%;
font-size:93%;
line-height: normal;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
#tabs4 ul {
list-style-type:none;
margin:0;
padding:0;
}
#tabs4 li{
display:inline;
margin:0;
padding:0;
}

On 11/17/06, Brian Jones  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 I have two divs one contains tab navigation and the other contains the
 content. I want the content div to display directly under the tabs.
 In IE6 it's displaying how I want it to...but for some reason in FF
 the tabs are showing up at the top inside the content div..

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Re: [css-d] float problem...

2006-11-17 Thread Chris Martin
Sorry, originally posted this from my mobile and there's no 'reply
all', so this didn't make it back to the list

the way the css is defined, #left and #right would need to be nested
inside a div, that's nested inside the 'header-bottom' class, but
that's not how it's marked up.

try simply

#left { width: 190px; float: left; }
#right { width: 560px; float: right; }

this would work too

.header-bottom #left { width: 190px; float: left; }
.header-bottom #right { width: 560px; float: right; }

IMO there's no need because these are ID's, and they won't (or
shouldn't) be found more than once in the markup.


On 11/17/06, Marty Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm having trouble getting div#left and div#right to float correctly.  I
 want them beside each other but right now they are wrapping under each other
 and I can't figure where I'm going wrong with this float...help?!

 Here's what I have--

 .header-bottom { width:755px; background-color: #FFF; background-image:
 url(../img/page-bg.gif); padding-top: 1px; color: #fff; }
 .header-bottom div { height: 177px; width: 751px; margin: 0 auto;
 background-color: #000c53; }
 .header-bottom div #left { width: 190px; float: left; }
 .header-bottom div #right { width: 560px; float: right; }

  div class=header-bottom
div id=leftleft/div
div id=right
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[css-d] A question on creating CSS Rounded Corner Boxes

2006-11-17 Thread John Moynihan
Hi Everyone,
I would like to create a rounded corner box in CSS. 

Does anyone have any tips on the easiest way to create a CSS rounded Corner
Box?

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Re: [css-d] A question on creating CSS Rounded Corner Boxes

2006-11-17 Thread Micky Hulse
John Moynihan wrote:
 Does anyone have any tips on the easiest way to create a CSS rounded Corner
 Box?

Take your pick:

http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners

Good luck. :)


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