Re: [css-d] Star Rating System

2007-06-06 Thread Diego Muñiz
Thanks Lori, i'll check and when i have the solution i'll show

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 Diego Muñiz wrote:
  It works if i do that, but it doesn't validate in xhtml 1.0
 
  On 6/4/07, Lori Lay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Diego Muñiz wrote:
 
  I' ve done this star rating system: 
  http://www.punisha.com/test/estrellas/
 
 
 
  I have uploaded the new verion. It works in FF, IE and Opera, but in
  internet explorer i'm not able to show it inline.
 
 
 
 
  Try using a span instead of a division.  A span is an inline element,
 so
  you can probably get the results you need without resorting to altering
  the display attribute.
 
  Lori
 
 
 
 

 So much for the easy solution.  It looks like Bruno has done some work
 with this.

 Have a look at http://www.brunildo.org/test/inline-block.html to see how
 he solved it.  It looks like you just need to feed IE 6 an inline
 display value, but I didn't study his solution too closely.

 Lori

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Re: [css-d] table class

2007-06-06 Thread David Dorward
On 05/06/07, Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 border= in HTML should equal border: in CSS. I understand they are different
 but to make them inconsistent would be one reason why people have a hard
 time with the CSS or die theory of late.

There would have been two problems with taking that route when the
border property was added to CSS.

The first is that it would have been inconsistent with the rest of
CSS, which would have been a barrier to everyone learning the language
(not just those migrating from pre-98 techniques). I'd far rather have
a language be internally consistent then consistent with something now
obsolete.

The second is that it would have been far less flexible. The CSS way
allows different cells to have different border styles.

Still, the decision was made almost a decade ago. I happen to think it
was the right one, but it is far too late for it to change if you
disagree.

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[css-d] Stu Nicholls image tracking

2007-06-06 Thread Raymond Rodriguez
Hello guys. I've been messing around with Stu Nicholls image  
tracking  method:

http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/flow.html

and I got it to work for me in the reverse (float: right) of what he  
does in his example:

http://raymondrodriguez.net/clients/anita/panel8.html

Very cool but then I tried to do it normally (float: left) and it's  
all screwed up on everything except Safari:

http://raymondrodriguez.net/clients/anita/panel9.html

Anybody know why?

Here's what the CSS looks like:

#copy_panel9 {
width:533px;
height:673px;
position:relative;
font: 14px Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;
color:#000;
text-align:left;
margin:0 auto;
}

#copy_panel9 p {
line-height:17px;
padding:20px 0 0 60px;
position:relative;
z-index:10;
}

#copy_panel9 img {position:absolute; z-index:1;}

#copy_panel9 em {display:block; float:left; height:17px;  
overflow:hidden; clear:left;}


.a10 {width:10px;}
.a20 {width:20px;}
etc...


I hope you see something that I don't!

Thanks,

Raymond
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[css-d] Divs moving up the page

2007-06-06 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all,
I have been checking my index page with the various browser/OS combos 
but I get a problem with the majority (except for IE). The 
divs called #gw_tabView1 and .gw_aTab seem to move unexpectedly.
The page can be seen here: http://216.219.94.105/index1.cfm
Why is this happening? Thank you   
   
  Internet Explorer
Good:
  Explorer 7.0 (no Flash)  Windows XP 
Explorer 6.0 (no Flash)  Windows XP 
Explorer 7.0 (no Flash)  Windows Vista 
Explorer 6.0 (no Flash)  Windows 2000 Professional 
Messes up:
 Explorer 4.0 (no Flash) Windows 98 
  Looses style on the text in the div gw_atab:
Explorer 5.5 (no Flash)  Windows 2000 Professional 
Explorer 5.0 (no Flash)  Windows 2000 Professional 
  
 
  Mozilla:
Divs to the right
Mozilla 1.7.12 (no Flash)Linux Fedora Core 4
Mozilla 1.6 (No Flash)   Windows 2000 Professional 
Mozilla 1.7.12 (No Flash)Windows 2000 Professional 
Mozilla 1.6 (No Flash)   Windows XP 
Mozilla 1.7.12 (No Flash)Windows XP 
   
  Firefox:
Divs to the right
Firefox 1.5.0 (no Flash)   Linux Fedora Core 4
Firefox 2.0 (no Flash) Linux Fedora Core 4
Firefox 1.5.0 (No Flash)   Windows 2000 Professional 
Firefox 2.0 (No Flash) Windows 2000 Professional 
Firefox 2.0 (No Flash) Windows Vista 
Firefox 1.5.0 (No Flash)   Windows XP 
Firefox 2.0 (No Flash) Windows XP 
   
  Konqueror:
Konqueror 3.4.0-5  Linux Fedora Core 4 Divs go to the right
  
Opera:
Opera 9.0 (no Flash)   Linux Fedora Core 4  OK
Opera 8.5.0 (No Flash) Windows 2000 ProfessionalDivs go upwards
Opera 9.0 (No Flash)   Windows 2000 ProfessionalOK
Opera 9.02 (No Flash)  Windows Vista   OK
Opera 8.5.0 (No Flash) Windows XP Divs go upwards
Opera 9.0 (No Flash)   Windows XP   OK
   
   
  Netscape:
Netscape 4.78 (no Flash)   Windows 2000 Professional  Lists don´t work
Netscape 6.2 (no Flash)Windows 2000 Professional Divs go to top 
right
Netscape 7.2 (no Flash)Windows 2000 Professional Divs go to top 
right
Netscape 6.2.3 (No Flash)  Windows XPDivs go to the 
right
Netscape 7.2 (no Flash)Windows XPDivs go to top 
right

   
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Re: [css-d] Right column misplaced in IE6

2007-06-06 Thread Audra Coldiron
Erik Olivier Lancelot wrote:
 Hello,
 
 This page validates and looks right in FF, O and NN but not in IE6: 
 http://www.jester-records.com/index-div.php. Can anyone see why this is 
 happening and what I can do to fix it? Thanks a lot!

HI Erik.  Here's how I would fix it:

#innhold {
   background: white;
   float: left;
   width: 730px;
   margin-right: -729px; /*added with 1 px short of width for IE6*/
   clear: left; /*added*/
}

#kolonne {
   background: white;
   float: right;
   width: 220px;
   clear: right; /*added*/
}

I have a couple suggestions too:

1.  Widths:  you only need to specify widths on the containers.  Nothing 
inside needs a width since it will automatically fill the container. 
I'd take all the widths out except for the ones on the containers since 
they will only cause trouble like the big horizontal scrollbar you 
currently have.

2.  Borders:  I see you have things like this in your source -

div class=line3_i!-- --/div
div id=h_news!-- --/div
div class=line3_i!-- --/div
div class=red_line_i!-- --/div
div class=line3_i!-- --/div

To make it easier to deal with, more semantic, and not to mention search 
engine friendlier why don't you do something like this:

div id=h_newsimg src=path-to-news-image.gif alt=News/div
hr /

CSS:

#h_news {
   border-top: solid 1px gray;
   border-bottom: solid 1px gray;
   background-color: black;
}
hr {
   height: 5px;
   background-color: red;
   color: red; /*for IE*/
   border-bottom: solid 1px gray;
}


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[css-d] Divs moving up the page

2007-06-06 Thread trevor bayliss
  Hi all,
I have been checking my index page with the various browser/OS combos 
but I get a problem with the majority (except for IE). The 
divs called #gw_tabView1 and .gw_aTab seem to move unexpectedly.
The page can be seen here: http://216.219.94.105/index1.cfm

  Why is this happening and how can I stop it? Thank you 

Internet Explorer
Good:
Explorer 7.0 (no Flash) Windows XP 
Explorer 6.0 (no Flash) Windows XP 
Explorer 7.0 (no Flash) Windows Vista 
Explorer 6.0 (no Flash) Windows 2000 Professional 
Messes up:
Explorer 4.0 (no Flash) Windows 98 
Looses style on the text in the div gw_atab:
Explorer 5.5 (no Flash) Windows 2000 Professional 
Explorer 5.0 (no Flash) Windows 2000 Professional 


Mozilla:
Divs to the right
Mozilla 1.7.12 (no Flash) Linux Fedora Core 4 
Mozilla 1.6 (No Flash) Windows 2000 Professional 
Mozilla 1.7.12 (No Flash) Windows 2000 Professional 
Mozilla 1.6 (No Flash) Windows XP 
Mozilla 1.7.12 (No Flash) Windows XP 

Firefox:
Divs to the right
Firefox 1.5.0 (no Flash) Linux Fedora Core 4
Firefox 2.0 (no Flash) Linux Fedora Core 4
Firefox 1.5.0 (No Flash) Windows 2000 Professional 
Firefox 2.0 (No Flash) Windows 2000 Professional 
Firefox 2.0 (No Flash) Windows Vista 
Firefox 1.5.0 (No Flash) Windows XP 
Firefox 2.0 (No Flash) Windows XP 

Konqueror:
Konqueror 3.4.0-5 Linux Fedora Core 4 Divs go to the right

Opera:
Opera 9.0 (no Flash) Linux Fedora Core 4 OK
Opera 8.5.0 (No Flash) Windows 2000 Professional Divs go upwards
Opera 9.0 (No Flash) Windows 2000 Professional OK
Opera 9.02 (No Flash) Windows Vista OK
Opera 8.5.0 (No Flash) Windows XP Divs go upwards
Opera 9.0 (No Flash) Windows XP OK


Netscape:
Netscape 4.78 (no Flash) Windows 2000 Professional Lists don´t work
Netscape 6.2 (no Flash) Windows 2000 Professional Divs go to top 
right
Netscape 7.2 (no Flash) Windows 2000 Professional Divs go to top 
right
Netscape 6.2.3 (No Flash) Windows XP Divs go to the 
right
Netscape 7.2 (no Flash) Windows XP Divs go to top 
right


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[css-d] tabs menu missing in ie7

2007-06-06 Thread shosuro
I have css tabs menu which looks good in ff2 and opera9, but doesn't show at 
all in ie7. Could anyone tell me why?
link here  http://rmz.pl/movs.html

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Re: [css-d] background-image (ISSUES)

2007-06-06 Thread Jon Fisher
You'll be wanting some closing li tags in there, too ;)
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[css-d] Help needed: Float Layout IE 5.5 6 Win

2007-06-06 Thread Boris Höltje
Hi all!

I have a big problem concerning a float layout and I'm hoping to get  
a solution, because I do not have a Win PC for testing purposes...
I tried everything I'm used to do to work around the common float  
bugs in IE 5.x 6 Win. Applied display: inline where needed and  
tried to avoid other hacks by using rather margins than paddings.
Unfortunately the layout still gets busted in older IE versions. In  
any other browser I tried (Firefox Mac/Win, Safari, IE 7 Win)  
everything looks fine.

Has anyone suggestions how to fix this?

The site can be found here: http://rgb-digital.com/arbeiten

Thank you very much in advance.

Boris
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[css-d] Background Colour Different in IE6

2007-06-06 Thread Steph
Hi,

This is probably a very basic question - have chosen to self teach web 
design by diving straight into CSS so am on a bit of a learning 
curve...

I have a problem with background colour not showing as the correct 
colour in IE6.  I've run it through a CSS checker, checked for 
conflicting colours I can see and generally searched your site and 
others.  I've noticed some other display problems talked about with IE 
6 and wondered if this might be a common one for which you can point me 
to a previous post or other site.  The site I'm doing has a graphic on 
it with the same background as the site background should be and this 
displays fine.  If my site URL is actually needed to solve this, I'll 
endure a little public humiliation on my first website going up, but am 
hoping that I've asked an old and well known question for which I'll be 
gently pointed towards existing documentation.

Many thanks,

Steph

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[css-d] CSS Frames not working right in IE6 and 7

2007-06-06 Thread Mim McConnell
In IE6, the page won't scroll. In IE7, the footer is off to the right.
Works great in FF.

Here are the relevant pages:

http://vacationsitka.com/frames-tmplte.shtml
http://vacationsitka.com/Scripts/new-frames-global.css
http://vacationsitka.com/Scripts/ie.css

All the other pages reflect the existing website, which is not built
for frames. The client wanted frames so I'm trying to convert the
site. Thanks for any suggestions; I've been at this for days.

  Mim McConnell
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 Photo Blog: http://mimsmissives.com/
 Services + Portfolio: http://www.sheltercovepublishing.com
 Gallery: http://www.mimsgallery.com
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Re: [css-d] Help needed: Float Layout IE 5.5 6 Win

2007-06-06 Thread David Laakso
Boris Höltje wrote:
 Hi all!

 I have a big problem concerning a float layout and I'm hoping to get  
 a solution, because I do not have a Win PC for testing purposes...
 I tried everything I'm used to do to work around the common float  
 bugs in IE 5.x 6 Win. Applied display: inline where needed and  
 tried to avoid other hacks by using rather margins than paddings.
 Unfortunately the layout still gets busted in older IE versions. In  
 any other browser I tried (Firefox Mac/Win, Safari, IE 7 Win)  
 everything looks fine.

 Has anyone suggestions how to fix this?

 The site can be found here: http://rgb-digital.com/arbeiten

 Thank you very much in advance.

 Boris
   






Are we talking about the same thing?

 I see a problem in IE6 and 5.5 on this page:
http://rgb-digital.com/

The correction (/only tested on a local file/) is:
Delete the xml declaration above the doctype so 6 and 5.5 are in IE's 
version of standards mode rather than in quirks.
Add text-align: center; to the body declaration.
And add text-align: left; to selector #root.

Best,
~dL

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Re: [css-d] Help needed: Float Layout IE 5.5 6 Win

2007-06-06 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:38:46 +0200, Boris Höltje wrote:
 Hi all!

 I have a big problem concerning a float layout and I'm hoping to get a 
 solution,
 because I do not have a Win PC for testing purposes... I tried everything I'm 
 used to
 do to work around the common float bugs in IE 5.x 6 Win. Applied display: 
 inline
 where needed and tried to avoid other hacks by using rather margins than 
 paddings.
 Unfortunately the layout still gets busted in older IE versions. In any other 
 browser I
 tried (Firefox Mac/Win, Safari, IE 7 Win) everything looks fine.

 Has anyone suggestions how to fix this?

 The site can be found here: http://rgb-digital.com/arbeiten


Hi Boris,
Did you fix this? I am not seeing a problem in (standalone) versions
of IE 5.5 or IE 6 here. Looks the same as in IE 7, Opera 9, and FF 2.
(Win xp pro running at 120 DPI)

The only difficulty I have is being unable to resize text.

Cordially,
David
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Re: [css-d] Background Colour Different in IE6

2007-06-06 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:27:37 +1200, Steph wrote:
 Hi,

 This is probably a very basic question - have chosen to self teach web design 
 by diving
 straight into CSS so am on a bit of a learning curve...


Hi Steph, 
Welcome to css-discuss - we are all at various places on that same curve!

 I have a problem with background colour not showing as the correct colour in 
 IE6.  I've
 run it through a CSS checker, checked for conflicting colours I can see and 
 generally
 searched your site and others.  I've noticed some other display problems 
 talked about
 with IE 6 and wondered if this might be a common one for which you can point 
 me to a
 previous post or other site. [...]

I've not seen this particular problem come up before. So giving us
a look at your page will definitely help us find an answer.

Cordially,
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Re: [css-d] Help needed: Float Layout IE 5.5 6 Win

2007-06-06 Thread Boris Höltje
David!

The problem I was talking about is on the subdirectory http://rgb- 
digital.com/arbeiten
There I already removed the xml-declaration and did the text- 
alignment on body and #root for auto-centering. On browsershots.org  
the result looks not as expected on IE5.5 and 6.

Many thanks again.

Bless,
Boris


Am 06.06.2007 um 17:27 schrieb David Laakso:

 Boris Höltje wrote:
 Hi all!

 I have a big problem concerning a float layout and I'm hoping to  
 get  a solution, because I do not have a Win PC for testing  
 purposes...
 I tried everything I'm used to do to work around the common float   
 bugs in IE 5.x 6 Win. Applied display: inline where needed and   
 tried to avoid other hacks by using rather margins than paddings.
 Unfortunately the layout still gets busted in older IE versions.  
 In  any other browser I tried (Firefox Mac/Win, Safari, IE 7 Win)   
 everything looks fine.

 Has anyone suggestions how to fix this?

 The site can be found here: http://rgb-digital.com/arbeiten

 Thank you very much in advance.

 Boris







 Are we talking about the same thing?

 I see a problem in IE6 and 5.5 on this page:
 http://rgb-digital.com/

 The correction (/only tested on a local file/) is:
 Delete the xml declaration above the doctype so 6 and 5.5 are in  
 IE's version of standards mode rather than in quirks.
 Add text-align: center; to the body declaration.
 And add text-align: left; to selector #root.

 Best,
 ~dL

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Re: [css-d] li stairstepping in IE6 Win

2007-06-06 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:48:22 -0500, Raymond Rodriguez wrote:
 Hi guys, I've got this very unusual issue going on with an unordered list 
 that I've
 just made. This is the first time I've made a navigation list with single 
 image
 buttons (three states) and it works fine except for in Explorer 6. I thought 
 it
 might've had something to do with the display: block but I've tried inline 
 and that
 didn't fix it. Any ideas?

 Here's the link:

 http://raymondrodriguez.net/clients/anita/panel1.html

[code snipped]

Your guess is partly correct. Changing the links from display: block;
to display: inline; fixes the margin doubling. To get them to line up
horizontally, float the LIs as well.

#headerBox li {float: left;}

should do the trick.

Cordially,
David
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Re: [css-d] Help needed: Float Layout IE 5.5 6 Win

2007-06-06 Thread Lori Lay
Boris Höltje wrote:
 Hi all!

 I have a big problem concerning a float layout and I'm hoping to get  
 a solution, because I do not have a Win PC for testing purposes...
 I tried everything I'm used to do to work around the common float  
 bugs in IE 5.x 6 Win. Applied display: inline where needed and  
 tried to avoid other hacks by using rather margins than paddings.
 Unfortunately the layout still gets busted in older IE versions. In  
 any other browser I tried (Firefox Mac/Win, Safari, IE 7 Win)  
 everything looks fine.

 Has anyone suggestions how to fix this?

 The site can be found here: http://rgb-digital.com/arbeiten

 Thank you very much in advance.

 Boris
   

Boris,

Some of the others on the list weren't quite sure what the problem was, 
so I'll start by saying that I think the issue is that the line 
following kontakt with 05-2007 on it drops down in IE 6.

I fixed this by bumping up the width on your header division and 
removing the right margin.  It appears that making it 610px wide will 
fix the problem and that seems to be as small as it can be and still 
have the line level with the rest of the menu.  Perhaps you can track 
down where these extra 10px are coming from.  If not, maybe you can feed 
the extra width to the older versions of IE only.  It doesn't break the 
rest of the layout.  I also had to remove the right margin to keep the 
header in line with the logo.

Lori
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[css-d] ie6 pushing down images

2007-06-06 Thread jeffrey morin
i have a slideshow and ie6 is pushing it way down. does anyone know if this
is this css or javascript problem?

www.bioneutrix.com
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[css-d] Hover Problems

2007-06-06 Thread daniela froehlich
Hi All
I am using Tanfa's CSS drop-down menu which works fine.
Now I also want to use a hover-over picture.
Unfortunately IE now displays the submenu behind the hover-over pic.
See a sample here:
http://www.artworksbyrene.com/test.html
Anybody an idea to solve this problem?
Thanks a mill!
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Re: [css-d] Right column misplaced in IE6

2007-06-06 Thread Erik Olivier Lancelot
Thanks a lot, Audra, it worked! Thanks also for the tips about the widths 
and borders, I really appreciate it :)

Cheers,
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Re: [css-d] Background Colour Different in IE6

2007-06-06 Thread Audra Coldiron
Steph wrote:
 Hi,
 
 This is probably a very basic question - have chosen to self teach web 
 design by diving straight into CSS so am on a bit of a learning 
 curve...
 
 I have a problem with background colour not showing as the correct 
 colour in IE6.  

Are you by any chance using a .png as a repeating background?  If so 
that is the problem.  IE6 does not render colors of .png's correctly.

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Re: [css-d] Divs moving up the page

2007-06-06 Thread ron zisman
  http://216.219.94.105/index1.cfm

Basically, IE/win (all versions) is saving your layout - see: the
'hasLayout' bug. Other browsers need proper styling, since they don't  
have
that particular bug.

To get the basics working across browser-land, add...

.gw_aTab {clear: left; }
#footer_home {clear: both; }

Note: your layout is a bit weak, and can't take much, if any,
font-resizing in any browser. See also: IE/win's 'ignore font sizes'
option on this point.
Test in browsers and you'll see how easily it breaks.

Normally I would suggest a complete rewriting of such a weak layout -
using a different approach, but I don't have time to create demos/ 
examples
these days.

regards
 Georg
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Re: [css-d] Help needed: Float Layout IE 5.5 6 Win

2007-06-06 Thread Boris Höltje
Thank you Lori.

This was exactly what I was hoping to fix. Unfortunately there seems  
to be no quick solution I guess. Would be easier to track the problem  
down, if I had that IE THING on Windoze here Hmm. What next?
I couldn't find anything that could have caused the extra 10px width  
in the #header. But I added a width to the #nav division inside the  
header which I did not before.

Could that have done it?

Many thanks again.

Boris


Am 06.06.2007 um 18:19 schrieb Lori Lay:


 Boris,

 Some of the others on the list weren't quite sure what the problem  
 was,
 so I'll start by saying that I think the issue is that the line
 following kontakt with 05-2007 on it drops down in IE 6.

 I fixed this by bumping up the width on your header division and
 removing the right margin.  It appears that making it 610px wide will
 fix the problem and that seems to be as small as it can be and still
 have the line level with the rest of the menu.  Perhaps you can track
 down where these extra 10px are coming from.  If not, maybe you can  
 feed
 the extra width to the older versions of IE only.  It doesn't break  
 the
 rest of the layout.  I also had to remove the right margin to keep the
 header in line with the logo.

 Lori

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Re: [css-d] firefox2 and h1

2007-06-06 Thread jaklitsch maya
I just redesigned http://www.ccpoma.org and it looks
the way I want and have also validated both the css
and the xhtml.

I just checked it in my updated firefox browser and I
have a PROBLEM!

I have no idea how to solve it.

The div id=header contains a h1 tag and nothing else.
I have styled the h1, but only the margins and also
the div header.

The font-size of 25px displays correctly in IE6 but is
huge in firefox and I have no idea why. 

Also as I am still running w2000 could someone please
check the site with IE7 and see if it is behaving.

Thanks,
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Re: [css-d] firefox2 and h1

2007-06-06 Thread Audra Coldiron
jaklitsch maya wrote:
 I just redesigned http://www.ccpoma.org and it looks
 the way I want and have also validated both the css
 and the xhtml.
 
 I just checked it in my updated firefox browser and I
 have a PROBLEM!
 
 I have no idea how to solve it.
 
 The div id=header contains a h1 tag and nothing else.
 I have styled the h1, but only the margins and also
 the div header.

You need to put the font size on #header h1 instead of just on the 
#header.  Once you do that you'll probably want to adjust it.  I 
suggest not using px since IE users won't be able to resize it.

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[css-d] Vertical Navigation Problem

2007-06-06 Thread Taryn Regish
Hi Everyone-

I thought I had finished this project but I ran across another issue on my
vertical navigation flyout in IE6. The page is

http://dev.www.ism.ws/index.cfm
http://dev.www.ism.ws/files/style/ISMscreen.css

The problem is when you navigate to another page from the vertical
navigation like the About ISM section, the flyout does not appear on the
section that is On. The navigation is created dynamically and the flyout
navigation items are present in the view source but I cannot get them to
appear when you hover over the section that is On.

Here is a section that is On http://dev.www.ism.ws/about/?navItemNumber=4884

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Taryn Regish
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[css-d] Weak layout

2007-06-06 Thread trevor bayliss
I just got a comment from one of the list members that I don`t understand about 
my webpage saying, and I quote: your layout is a bit weak, and can't take 
much, if any,
font-resizing in any browser. Test in browsers and you'll see how easily it 
breaks.
He suggests a complete rewriting of this weak layout but I don`t know what that 
would be. What does he mean by it breaks in a browser? How can I rewrite it? 
Thank you!
   
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Re: [css-d] Weak layout

2007-06-06 Thread Francesco Rizzi
On 6/6/07, trevor bayliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just got a comment from one of the list members that I don`t understand
 about my webpage saying, and I quote: your layout is a bit weak, and can't
 take much, if any,
 font-resizing in any browser. Test in browsers and you'll see how easily
 it breaks.
 He suggests a complete rewriting of this weak layout but I don`t know what
 that would be. What does he mean by it breaks in a browser? How can I
 rewrite it? Thank you!

http://216.219.94.105/index1.cfm


Do you use a browser that lets the user resize the text size ?
I use Firefox 2 and have a mouse with a scroll-wheel. Hence, when I hold
Ctrl down and scroll the wheel, I can quickly change the font size up or
down as needed.

In your page, if I enlarge the font size by +3, the menu at the top starts
to get out of sync.
For instance, the 'About Medarc' link gets split over two lines
('About/Medarc').
The links over the simulated tabs ('Medarc limited', 'National' and
'International') start to be taller than the folder tabs behind them.

These are just examples of what is commonly known as a 'weak', or
'non-bulletproof' design. Resizing the browser window (or using a screen
with a different resolution) might help uncover other such problems.
Even without resizing the fint size, I noticed that the 'Our Clients
Include' copy seems mis-aligned ('our' appears on one line, to the right of
the navbar, the rest on the next line, to the right of the images.. 'our'
and 'clients' don't start in the same place).

I'm not using the term 'bulletproof' randomly. I've taken it from Dan
Cederholm's book, which I think is a great reference and resource to learn
more on the topic: http://www.simplebits.com/publications/bulletproof/

You asked how you can re-write the page. The problems I mentioned above have
to do with font size; so, for instance, you can check the web for that topic
(I noticed you set the font-size to a fixed measure, 11px, on your body
tag... that tends to become problematic; I recommend using font-size: small
on the body and then using percentages when you need larger/smaller sizes in
the document).

There's plenty of online and offline resources on CSS-driven (re)designs.
This mailing list is a good resource, but not the only one (Meyer's books, A
Liat Apart are but two examples).

HTH,
F.O.R.
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Re: [css-d] Help needed: Float Layout IE 5.5 6 Win

2007-06-06 Thread Lori Lay
Boris Höltje wrote:
 Thank you Lori.

 This was exactly what I was hoping to fix. Unfortunately there seems  
 to be no quick solution I guess. Would be easier to track the problem  
 down, if I had that IE THING on Windoze here Hmm. What next?
 I couldn't find anything that could have caused the extra 10px width  
 in the #header. But I added a width to the #nav division inside the  
 header which I did not before.

 Could that have done it?

 Many thanks again.

 Boris
   

I tried removing the width from the nav division and it didn't make any 
difference.  However, I found that changing the display of the list 
elements (li) to inline corrected the problem and it seems to work 
cross-browser.  Also this doesn't require any adjustments to the header 
width or right margin.

So here's the change:

li
{
display: inline;/* change from block to inline */
float: left;
margin-right: 10px;
}

So I guess you ran into IE's margin doubling bug and that's usually 
fixed with a change to inline display.

Viele Grüße

Lori


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[css-d] IE7 Forms

2007-06-06 Thread grovesdavid
Hello,

The following works quite well in:

FF2, IE6 and Opera pc. It fails in IE7, as select field heights become 
unusable? any ideas how to target IE7 only, and is this a bug?

http://www.linkhomes2000.co.uk/trials/tryagain-index-3.php

Passed css but failed HTMl validator. May never be able to pass as some 
problems relate to external links

David G)



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Re: [css-d] Positioned Corners in IE6

2007-06-06 Thread Lori Lay
Glen Lipka wrote:
 Sample:
 http://cpns.commadot.com/

 In IE6, the corners at the bottom are being placed too low.
 When I use the IE Dev toolbar and change anything about them, they snap back
 into place.

 I hate errors like that.  Any ideas?  Thanks,

 Glen
   
Actually the corners are off a bit in FF too.  Also, your layout is font 
resizing intolerant.  Even bumping up the font size once breaks the 
layout.  I don't know if this is something you can use at this point, 
but francky has an amazing rounded corners design that works in all 
browsers and is extremely flexible:

http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquidcorners.htm

If you are using a fixed width, which I think you are, you don't need 
the four divisions that francky has allowed for.

Lori
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Re: [css-d] Width ignored in IE6 | Sub-menus disappear | Cross compatibility

2007-06-06 Thread Lori Lay
Renae Willis wrote:
 http://www.lccoachingbeta.com/web/LCC/countryprofiles1.html

 Additionally, the css drop down menu (alternate content for the flash
 menu) no longer has it's sub-menus once I place it in the page. The
 isolated, functional (in IE7  Firefox 2) menu can be found here:

 http://www.lccoachingbeta.com/web/LCC/menufinal.html

 Also, are there better ways to test for cross compatibility?
   
Your pages don't load.  I get a 404.  Try http://browsershots.org/ for 
cross-browser testing.  There's also http://www.browsrcamp.com/ for 
testing on Mac browsers.  There's also a paid service that gets you your 
screen shots a little quicker, but I'm afraid I don't have the URL 
handy.  Try searching the archives from April or May and I think you'll 
find some references.

Lori
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Re: [css-d] Keeping a div positioned in Viewport

2007-06-06 Thread Lori Lay
Sam Carter wrote:
 I have an application with vertical scrolling.  I'd like to keep a div
 positioned in the viewport.  Before I resort to beating it up with
 JavaScript, is there a CSS technique, maybe with minor JavaScript, which
 works well across browsers?

 Sam
   
It sounds like you're after fixed positioning but it's not supported in 
IE 6.  Georg aka Gunlaug aka Ron Zisman has, in addition to his identity 
crisis*, some interesting work-arounds to this issue:

http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_15.html

Lori

*  Forgive me, but I have been dying to say that for the last few days.  
Seems Georg is re-working his website and I guess he's deciding on a new 
moniker as well :-)
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Re: [css-d] Background Colour Different in IE6

2007-06-06 Thread Richard Grevers
On 6/7/07, Audra Coldiron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Steph wrote:
  Hi,
 
  This is probably a very basic question - have chosen to self teach web
  design by diving straight into CSS so am on a bit of a learning
  curve...
 
  I have a problem with background colour not showing as the correct
  colour in IE6.

 Are you by any chance using a .png as a repeating background?  If so
 that is the problem.  IE6 does not render colors of .png's correctly.

...or jpgs :-(
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Re: [css-d] Background Colour Different in IE6

2007-06-06 Thread Steph
Hi Audra  Richard,

Many thanks for ideas below.  There is a background non-repeating file 
which is a gif.  There's also a graphic which is a gif.  the graphic 
colour works as created in another application, but everything else on 
the page is not ok.  I should have added that these do work in Mac IE 
5.5 and Safari, but have not tried other browsers yet.

The URL is www.GondwanaPlantEss.co.nz

Hmn... this is the first website I've done, so you'll see a lot of 
extraneous stuff which needs to be cleaned out - millions of styles 
before I understood the implications of these and also various other 
things to be moved to the CSS style sheet.  Should also add that this 
document is based on a template which is exactly as this file with no 
additional editable regions.

Many thanks for your kind support.

Steph Atkinson



On 7/06/2007, at 2:57 PM, Richard Grevers wrote:

 On 6/7/07, Audra Coldiron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Steph wrote:
  Hi,
 
  This is probably a very basic question - have chosen to self teach 
 web
  design by diving straight into CSS so am on a bit of a learning
  curve...
 
  I have a problem with background colour not showing as the correct
  colour in IE6.

 Are you by any chance using a .png as a repeating background?  If so
 that is the problem.  IE6 does not render colors of .png's correctly.

 ...or jpgs :-(
 -- 
 Richard Grevers, New Plymouth, New Zealand
 Hat 1: Development Engineer, Webfarm Ltd.
 Hat 2: Dramatic Design www.dramatic.co.nz
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Re: [css-d] Background Colour Different in IE6

2007-06-06 Thread Steph
Hi all,

Having just noticed that in replying to all I've just posted this to 
the entire list

Here's the password stuff I left off:

Site:  www.GondwanaPlantEss.co.nz User:  gondwana   Password:  
gondesswana

This site is not yet public and in very early days.  Many thanks for 
your kind support.

Steph
NZ


On 7/06/2007, at 2:57 PM, Richard Grevers wrote:

 On 6/7/07, Audra Coldiron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Steph wrote:
  Hi,
 
  This is probably a very basic question - have chosen to self teach 
 web
  design by diving straight into CSS so am on a bit of a learning
  curve...
 
  I have a problem with background colour not showing as the correct
  colour in IE6.

 Are you by any chance using a .png as a repeating background?  If so
 that is the problem.  IE6 does not render colors of .png's correctly.

 ...or jpgs :-(
 -- 
 Richard Grevers, New Plymouth, New Zealand
 Hat 1: Development Engineer, Webfarm Ltd.
 Hat 2: Dramatic Design www.dramatic.co.nz
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Re: [css-d] Min-height, height, and viewport size

2007-06-06 Thread Audra Coldiron

 html {height:100%}
 body {height: 100%}
 #whole {height: 100%} /* This is the id of a div that contains the border */
 
 However, it simply does not work as described. At least not in FireFox 
 where I primarily need it to work.
 
 The red border of the #whole container will expand to the length of the 
 content inside. But if the content is not as long as the viewport, the 
 red border shrinks so that it is no longer touching the bottomof the 
 viewport.
 
 Where did I go wrong?
 
 Thank you for any advice.
 

It should be...

#whole { min-height: 100%; }

then for IE6...

#whole { height: 100%; }


You described it correctly at first so did you mis-type perhaps?

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Re: [css-d] Weak layout

2007-06-06 Thread David Laakso
trevor bayliss wrote:
 I just got a comment from one of the list members that I don`t understand 
 about my webpage saying, and I quote: your layout is a bit weak, and can't 
 take much, if any,
 font-resizing in any browser. Test in browsers and you'll see how easily it 
 breaks.
 He suggests a complete rewriting of this weak layout but I don`t know what 
 that would be. What does he mean by it breaks in a browser? How can I 
 rewrite it? Thank you!

http://216.219.94.105/index1.cfm

   



A good structural test for a layout is that it should hold without 
breaking, overlapping, or float dropping at +2 font-zoom in the Gecko 
browsers. And at text-size largest in with ignore font sizes checked 
in accessibility mode [1]in IE5 through 7. Some designers also check 
their layout for breaking by setting the minimum font size at least 24px.


With regard to re-writing, you are running 5 columns and may need even 
more width than you currently show-- granted you'll draw an even wider 
scrollbar at 800. Allowing the software to layout the page without 
restriction (particularly avoiding setting height) helps.
This is a simple and somewhat similar (nothing to write home about) example:
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/stuff.html
It has been quick tested in IE5 through 7; and in compliant browsers.



[1]To put IE in accessibility mode:
toolsinternet optionsaccessibilitytcheck bo about ignore font 
sizestext-sizelargest.

Best,

~dL

PS I learned most of what I know from Georg Sortun-- the gentle man who 
wrote:

your layout is a bit weak, and can't take much, if any,
font-resizing in any browser. Test in browsers and you'll see how easily it 
breaks.







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Re: [css-d] Weak layout

2007-06-06 Thread Paul Novitski
At 6/6/2007 09:57 PM, David Laakso wrote:
A good structural test for a layout is that it should hold without
breaking, overlapping, or float dropping at +2 font-zoom in the Gecko
browsers.


I've never understood the sense of that criterion, e.g. the page 
should survive two [or three] font size enlargements.  Doesn't that 
depend entirely on what size the smallest font on the page is?

If my vision were so weak that I needed to enlarge text to 1/2-inch 
type on the screen, it wouldn't matter whether that required one 
click or ten, I'd still need it to become that large.  It's not the 
number of enlargements that's relevant, it's the size of the resulting type.

Let me know if I'm missing something there.

What I don't know is if there's any kind of a minimum font size that 
we should ensure our readers can achieve.  I doubt that there is one, 
given the variation in vision impairments, but I'll be curious to 
know what others think.

I apologize if this is considered to be off-topic; it's an 
accessibility point, but in my mind very pertinent to styling.

Regards,

Paul
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Paul Novitski
Juniper Webcraft Ltd.
http://juniperwebcraft.com 

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